He killed my dad’s good friend Robert Piest. His death is what broke the case wide open. The whole school was shocked. Robert was an amazing kid and JWG assumed he was another runaway.
Robert stopped Gacy in a way. He broke the mold because he was totally out of the type of people Gacy was abducting. He messed up where people could identify him (and thank God Rob told his coworker and his mother where he was going), and everyone who knew Rob said he was a great kid, student, and came from a stable, loving home.
I was just thinking about Robert Piest the other day. It is shocking and terrible that your son can be taken from you so instantly!! 😫😫 I am sorry for you father for losing a friend.
BS. You don’t even know the story. Get your facts straight if you’re going to try to troll on this subject. Maybe have a hard look at yourself and make some adjustments
As someone who has studied the Gacy case in great detail, I found his handcuff comment particularly chilling as he had used it several times to gain complete control over his victims before he brutally raped and murdered them. I am so glad this monster no longer exists.
@@deshon3523he had an equal in Dean Corll, in Houston, between 1970 - 73. Google: houston mass murders Read either The Texas Monthly's "The Lost Boys" or the feature article in The Houston Press, or read both. I guarantee that Corll was at least as evil a monster as Gacy.
I was just coming to say this! Actually, the one that got away managed to escape after a handcuff "joke". He put them on him on himself, turns around and manages to turn around and the handcuffs are off. He would swing them around on a finger, playfully. The guy would ask how it was done and Gacey would proceed to place them on the boy....the boy looked up and said an evil darkness had crept over his clown painted face... The boy says, I can't figure out how you did that trick! He whispers. You gotta have the keys.... " .so messed up. I'm from a couple hours outside Chicago, so Gacy has always been a freaky fascination of mine!
Years back a friend pointed out that Gacy's clown makeup style deviated from what people who do clowning, especially around children, usually do. Instead of rounding his mouth corners, he made them into points. Points in a clowns smile have a sinister conotation
Due to your comment I literally checked Gacy's makeup style because I found it very interesting. You're right, his corners are so pointy in contrast to other clowns who rather wear much rounded corners. I got goosebumps, this guy was a true evil. Guess he did it subconsciously.
I'm surprised you didn't note the clear smirk at 16 minutes 15 seconds when he was describing the cops following him. He clearly enjoyed "outsmarting" the cops.
I think Gacy working with kids in hospitals was a moral transaction- like, “I make so many little children happy it far outweighs any criticism I might face for the occasional body in my crawl space.” I’m not saying it makes sense, but that seems to be the way he frames it. Along with that, his charitable work and generosity to children was a cold blooded strategy to remove himself from suspicion in the community. Basically he was creating a moral alibi. Not that he had morals, he just knew how other people’s morals worked.
I think his ability to lie without showing it is because he actually believes his lies. And he can't say the first conviction was consensual since it was an underage child.
Yeah he really was full of it. The crimes are usually more (darkly) interesting than the person themselves. They’re just nothing & that’s why they do what they do.
He rationalized everything. Everything was somehow self-defense to him. If you watch the rest of the interview, you see this attitude of, "oh well, it had to be done. Totally not weird that I've been forced to kill this many people. You know how it is."
I once told someone my mom's fav serial killer is Charles Manson and my dad's favorite was John Wayne Gacy and they never called me again. Gets rid of the bill collectors or telemarketers.
Charles manson did not ever kill anyone himself (he made others kill for him though) as far as we know at least so it always bugs me when people still call him a serial killer. Yeah I know that your comment was not being a serious one but I still wanted to say this in case someone actually thinks Manson was a serial killer.
@@tuikku8645 I mean it was more lighthearted than actually labeling serial killers as opposed to cult leaders/spree killers/etc because at the time I was getting political calls. I feel like if you call me at 8pm on a Sunday, I'm stretching out the weirdness for as loooooooooong as I can. You gotta make your own entertainment in this world.
I'm surprised you didn't mention when he said, "He claimed he was abused by me," instead of saying, "He claimed I abused him." He's using a passive tone to create distance between himself and the abuse, almost trying to place some guilt on the victim instead of him. 🤔
Not sure if you’ll see this but every time I hear you tell your viewers to make suggestions, I think of the UK comedy show Would I Lie to You, it’s probably more of a lighthearted suggestion, but it’d be awesome to watch you try figure out who’s telling the truth, maybe with your partner too.
love that Logan not only can help explain non-verbal body language, but offers a psycho-analytical take on it as well. not only did he show some non-verbal slippage, but WHY did Gacey have that slippage? childhood trauma? narcissism & need for control? just helps us to understand the world around us a bit better, and the unfortunate people that come with it. as a Psych student, I've come to realize just about every single field of education & line of work involves being able to understand & communicate with individual people, and it's a background that is really helpful to either be educated in or have some passion & interest in Psychology no matter what career you want or have. although body language analysis isn't directly Psychology, it's a branch of it and is also really helpful for myself to have some knowledge in as well. so thanks you for educating us all Logan :) I seriously adore you!
“Fascinating. he gave extra information about the phone call that he said he was on beforehand. Nobody - *nobody* cared who he was on the phone with or what they were talking about 😐” Idk why but this cracked me up when Logan said this staring straight into the camera 😂
This might be because of hindsight but I also find him kind of unnatural, like he's constantly acting.....you can see this especially in that Dating game killer guy (I cannot remember his name) in the show when he's "laughing" he looks like an alien trying to act human.
@@tuikku8645 Yeah, he wasn’t charming at all to me. Apparently not the other contestant, either. The Dating Game sent a chaperone on those vacation for two prizes they won, and evidently the girl was all clingy with the chaperone because Ramirez seriously creeped her out. (Oh, and his jokes were really corny, too. 😣)
I think I accidentally let it slip that I know a lot about serial killers at work. I've been pretty quiet so far, but I overheard my coworker say that John Gacy used to dress up as a clown, and I couldn't help but add that his clown name was Pogo and his last words were "Kiss my ass" before he was executed 😆
Coincidentally, he also happened to be very well known amongst the Democratic Party, knowing many officials and even having his picture taken with Former First Lady, Rosalyn Carter. (Same/similar situation regarding Jim Jones and Rosalyn Carter meeting with one another and posing for pictures together. )
@@mamabear-9.18.18 and Bundy volunteered and was known for his Republican party affiliations 🤷🏼♀️ not sure what you're pulling your straw man out for, but it's a weird one.
First off…I hate clowns, don’t know why, but I do. I worked with a guy that was from Chicago, his parents have a picture of him as a toddler being held by Gacy at a birthday party. The unsettling thing is that he is obviously not stupid and looks and talks just like anyone else but…that’s the scary part. Serial killers aren’t necessarily freaks, just average husbands and fathers.
@@BizzyBee30 the opera "pagliacci" also caused a fear of clowns that is still prevalent today. i believe it was the first work of fiction that presented the idea that someone who makes people laugh for a living could be hiding an unfathomable darkness beneath that joyful mask, which made people start to think. then this case happened exactly 80 years later, which in turn inspired stephen king's "it". pennywise's costume in the 2017 version seems to be inspired by the character canio plays in "pagliacci".
@@shawnl910 you can still learn new things, I've learned a lot about body language that I never knew before just by watching his videos I never found an interest in body language but he changed my mind and now I find it pretty interesting he teaches you about body language so if you don't learn from it then why are you here?
@@shawnl910 I've learned a lot from UA-cam and it's my go-to for looking up how to do anything I don't already know how to do. It isn't a formal form of education but typically it's more accessible than other types.
Wow, was hoping for some fresh material on my feed the past couple days and this just pops up!! Great content-- Your angle of breaking down the body language of killers is super interesting and informative. Just imagine how helpful this information could be in educating naive individuals in the behavior patterns of predators and manipulators. You're more or less helping people spot red flags. Bravo, excellent work!!
So cool to watch a profiler interview him in their professional, tactical way- with his non-verbal communication in mind, like starting with getting him talking about regular things like his business etc to establish a baseline- and have it analysed by you as well, based on his non-verbal communication. Amazing!
24:00 Regarding the handcuffs, I think he’s drawing the difference between his victims and the children he entertained as a clown. Like, “I handcuffed the dudes I murdered, not the kids at the hospital.”
Ohhhh man, I'd love to see what you make of Jimmy Savile!! An utterly depraved excuse for a human being! He reckoned he would punch St Peter at the pearly gates if he'd refused him entry. I believe that all of his charity work was, in his mind, repentance, and that all of the running he did was a form of self flagelation, due to him being very religious. He was also great friends with the royal and at one point was called in as a marriage councillor for prince Charles and Diana. He was also very good friends with Margaret Thatcher. The bbc knew what he was upto but turned a blind eye. He was so incredibly blatant, even in interviews but nobody said a word....so so disgusting and creepy, both him and those who kept quiet around him.
Hey just a heads up that the victim of the sodomy charge was a 15 year old boy so definitely not a he said/she said situation. Maybe I misunderstood your comment but I was thinking you interpreted that as an adult man. Thanks for the interesting video. This man was definitely a monster.
he was not working alone ,at those parties, he had lots of support from local police & was part of a ring supplying young boys for special kind of movies with no happy end, him & Dean Corll, it was an insane time for killers
OH MY GOODNESS!!! A few months ago I emailed your staff and said how exciting it would be to have merch that said "so on and so forth" and stuff about idiotes!!!! And there is some options!!! Ive wanted a shirt that said your infamous line for a long time!! Putting my order in now!!!! 🎉
Maybe the reason he is able to recall details about his previous business because it's rehearsed. He loves talking about himself and his business so he's talked about it before.
I'm curious if you are able to read the body language of an autistic spectrum person? I have a lot of autistic traits + severe social anxiety and all those make me act "strange" in social situations, like I try to avoid eye contact and instead look on the area around the persons face and I also have facial tics when nervous. I'm curious how hard it would be to read a person with these kinds of problems?
It's all relative to what's normal for YOU. These types of videos are entertaining, nothing more or less. If one were to take a more realistic approach, they may spend however much time is needed to see what's normal for someone like you or me. Then, what deviates from that "baseline"? And even then it's never 100% accurate in all aspects. I find it useful for me to understand why I feel a certain way. I FEEL so strongly that a certain social figure is lying? This kind of helps me go, "I did notice that, that's why I felt that way" It's more a tool that's designed to work alongside other tools, but not one of an exact science rather one of "instinct" or pattern recognition.
Yesssss! My daughter and I both do these things too. Im more with giggling, tuning totally out, and facial tics. My daughter wrings her hands or starts rocking. Sometimes we both have to say "im so sorry" & walk away as the engagement is just way too overwhelming. It can cause people to totally read us wrong, think we are angry or rude, and it's so incredibly frustrating. It would be so incredibly interesting to see if a body language analyst can create subcategories for people with different disorders like autism. We filter, process, and react completely differently.
I have been diagnosed with all types of social anxiety + severe social phobia and I think it's definitely way harder for ppl to read us. Bc we offer a lot of nervous tics that most might perceive as "tells" of deceit. I once dated someone who thought they could read a liar bc they saw a video one time that gave false information that a person will look in certain specific directions if they are being truthful or not.. couldn't figure out for years why I was always being accused of lying and etc. Till they finally told me what they were basing it off of 🤦♀️ so I'm pretty glad Observe makes these bc he makes them and tells you certain body language can also be signs of anxiety agitation discomfort or etc. It made me feel a lot better like a lot more justified bc I always wondered what I did "wrong" or what I was doing that made me seem so dishonest. Being more aware of my nervous tics (like what a regular person would specifically perceive as "off" has really helped me break the habit of using them -- unless I'm super stressed and not able to remember I'm working to control them and in doing so in a way it's sort of helped me manage my anxiety around others SORT of I'm sorry to anyone who also suffers anxiety+ also especially social anxiety ❤ you just have to keep practicing. Think of it as a skill you need to constantly sharpen and nothing more and that sort of takes the stress / alienation out of it ❤
I have autism and whenever I watch interrogation or body analysis videos I get nervous about my own body language being misinterpreted. Of course, body language alone cannot determine if someone is guilty or not, but it definitely tells the detectives which approach to go for. But then again, I remind myself that I’ll never end up in a situation where I’d be interrogated in such a manner LMAO
If you have a baseline on a person, I think that body language is still able to be used to look at clusters of unusual/ off baseline behaviours. So if your baseline is avoiding eye contact, tapping your leg, touching your face, fiddling, moving back and forth when talking about something benign, but then when answering other questions you have a cluster of off baseline behaviours, we would want to look at why those questions caused an issue
I remember learning about this in a class in 8th grade. The entire class decided that lethal injection was to good for him. I doubt many people's thoughts have changed from there
I can't tell if he used Pogo the clown to lure children to him, but I could see the how performing as Pogo could get the community used to seeing him with young boys, where they wouldn't think anything unusual about it.
My dad was a clown as I was growing up. He was a part of the Merry Medics, and he did parades and hospital visits and all such things. My sister and I were even part of the act sometimes when we were really young. I never thought it was strange, and I still don't. I'm proud of what my dad used to do. He clowned until he was in his late 40s and he did a lot of good things with that group. They were all just fun dads or grandpas, not creepy guys hanging around kids. But, at the same time, they were men with kids of their own. Perhaps that is the defining line between creepy and caring? That said, I am very uncomfortable with Gacy being a clown for obvious reasons.
My dad was an investigator on the case. I still vividly remember him coming home after helping dig those boys out of the crawlspace it was late December 78 .i was 8 and gacy became the real boogie man. He is said to have been likeable and I just think he knew how to manipulate.my dad believes he did not act alone . And believe me ..he didn't.
Gacy is fascinating so I am glad you are covering him. He had a very abusive childhood and his father absolutely impacted shame in his sexual identity. Does that mean what Gacy did was okay? Absolutely not but it is just a part of the story. I am also enjoying watching him talk. He seems very intelligent, and I did not know that.
so, I'm not a clown, although I did consider it for a time, and the allure (for me) was: the idea of acting a fool, for the sake of other peoples enjoyment, and for me a clown is like the official uniform for such behavior. In reality in a very shy and reserved person, but with clowning, I could see myself sort of breaking free from those parts of my personality. Side not: this isn't a weird quirk I have, I was always the kid who wanted to run away and join the circus, I practiced magic, acrobats, juggling, various "freak" or "geek" acts, fire eating, etc. So the idea of clowning was never to far from my usual interests.
He had help from one or two of his hired help. One went on to commit several serious crimes against other victims. John Gacy's crimes went deeper than what is known. He also tortured his victims and SA'd them for hours using all kinds of devices/items. He is a monster. But he is not the first guy to do this. There was Another man who lured young boys to his home to do similar things as Gacy did. Same handcuff trick and same tortures and abuses. He had killed more than Gacy and he also had help of his young "friends." His name was Dean Corll from Texas.
I think you may appreciate this fun little silly law factoid: your pronunciation of Joliet can earn you a misdemeanor! It’s pronounced with a long o so phonetically it would be “joe-lee-ette” Be sure to come over and turn yourself in but first arrange a meet up in the area 🙂 I’ve been fascinated with Gacy for much of my life. I grew up in the Chicago burbs and remember his execution when I was young. He reminds me of someone who hurt me badly. Gacy, after all, began his crimes on his sister. Great work as always!
I've always been terrified of clowns and I think people who clown for a living have something deep and dark inside them. Case in point - John Wayne Gacy.
I like when you leave your "bloopers" in. If we could have a whooooole episode just of bloopers ~I'd be here 👏🏽 for 👏🏽 it 👏🏽!!😂 💙💜💙💜 I was born & raised in Iowa , lived there until I was 30- but I had no idea about this guy ever living in Iowa.....probably bc I just didn't get into anything that had to due with it bc of the whole clown thing being attached to it... clowns in real life kinda scare me. Used to love Bozo as a kid... but can't do them in real life lol nope, nope, nope. He seemed very egocentric during the interview ...... which isn't a shocker ...
As a kid he would have completely creeped me out. My mom taught me to always read people's eyes and his are all wrong even out of the clown suit and makeup😳🏃♀️💨
In and of itself, him being a clown to entertain sick kids at the hospital isn’t a red flag. It’s that he’s also John Wayne Gacy the serial killer that makes it odd/off, and helped Americans as a whole to have a slight distrust/fear of clowns, not that it didn’t exist before, but he definitely amplified it
I just met a guy that told me that he went to the house in Chicago, right after they found the bodies under the house. They lifted the house up on cinder blocks, and the FBI had to crawl under it. 😮😵
Do you think you could do some with Actors and their performances and maybe tell us what non verbal cues make some performances really good and some bad? Like maybe do some famous acting scenes and analyze why they work or ones that feel off and why they feel off? Like up so he can see pls ❤
Oh wow, have you and your spouse had 'Bling Empire: New York's episode 'Helmut Nasty' episode recommended to you? I had THE BEST time following the body language using what I've learned from watching you explain reality tv, and watching you two do a read on it would be amazing. The lunch scene with Lynne and Blake
I would assume he has scorn for people calling him out because he prefers to be under the radar, unseen, out in the world because he wants to continue committing these heinous acts. He's not upset that it's the truth (imo) but in the fact that people now know and that he's been caught-- and being told that he was charged is a constant reminder of that.
I think it would be super interesting if you could look into Chris Benoit and exam some videos of him. He was always one of my favorite wrestlers and what happened is just a horrible tragedy. I would love to see if there’s anything from any clips that you see that hint at anything noticeable.
From what I remember once he got the young boys to the house..... He would take him downstairs to the basement and say that he was going to perform the magic trick with handcuffs and then would handcuff them so they couldn't leave
I almost wonder if it isn't so much an inflated sense of ego but more about him feeling that he was lacking in some way and therefore needing to impress those around him and always trying to seem like the smartest guy in the room. That would also connect to his control issues, if he wasn't controlling the narrative then how could he be sure he sounded like the smartest person. I feel that may have also explained, somewhat, the comment about being himself as Pogo, because he wouldn't have needed to pretend as a clown. Just a thought. Love your work, thank you for the amazing content!
I have never heard him speak before but have seen the detailed account of what he did , I now completely understand why the young men and boys trusted him it’s scary how normal he comes across even when convicted of 30 murders
Gacy always said he was bisexual and liked both men and women. Many speculate that he was gay though, seeing as his victims were all male and he didn’t seem interested in women much, even refusing to sleep with his second wife after a point in their marriage.
I think the clown handcuffs answer was based on him being dubbed the “killer clown” but if I recall it all correctly I believe none of his victims were killed while he was in his clown persona so probably just a clarification that he didn’t do that as a clown. I could be wrong been a while since I’ve read up on gacy stuff so if I am, my bad.
Doesn't take a body language analyst to see how much Gacy disturbs you, even just watching an interview lol. Don't get me wrong, he was one seriously deranged individual, but I didn't expect you to have such a huge reaction to this. You almost seem disgusted to have to say when he doesn't appear to be being deceptive. I'm almost more interested in your reaction to it than your analysis of it lol
I live in Chicago, he was a terrifying part of the city's history and for all of the surrounding suburbs. People still talk about meeting him, having him at their parties, etc. He was genuinely terrifying to everyone here. ...also for future reference it's pronounced Joe-liet, not jolly-et.
In regards to the surveillance he was not establishing alibi at the time it was after rob piest so no need to he was done killing. They were watching to make sure and were hoping to be lead to a live rob piest. The officers involved including my dad had to remember who john really was because he was likeable they ate at diners and had a beer with him. The crawlspace didn't smell until ground was broken. Or when it rained or snowed . Or when the heat turned on.
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He killed my dad’s good friend Robert Piest. His death is what broke the case wide open. The whole school was shocked. Robert was an amazing kid and JWG assumed he was another runaway.
Robert stopped Gacy in a way. He broke the mold because he was totally out of the type of people Gacy was abducting. He messed up where people could identify him (and thank God Rob told his coworker and his mother where he was going), and everyone who knew Rob said he was a great kid, student, and came from a stable, loving home.
I was just thinking about Robert Piest the other day. It is shocking and terrible that your son can be taken from you so instantly!! 😫😫 I am sorry for you father for losing a friend.
I'm sorry for your dad. This make us conscious about the real people the victims were
BS. You don’t even know the story. Get your facts straight if you’re going to try to troll on this subject. Maybe have a hard look at yourself and make some adjustments
@@cautionTosser And you do? I've read enough and watched enough documentaries about this subject. Post your "story" with your proof, or shut up.
As someone who has studied the Gacy case in great detail, I found his handcuff comment particularly chilling as he had used it several times to gain complete control over his victims before he brutally raped and murdered them. I am so glad this monster no longer exists.
These boys were subject to the worse torture ever performed. Gacy is the real jigsaw.
@@deshon3523he had an equal in Dean Corll, in Houston, between 1970 - 73. Google: houston mass murders
Read either The Texas Monthly's "The Lost Boys" or the feature article in The Houston Press, or read both. I guarantee that Corll was at least as evil a monster as Gacy.
I was just coming to say this! Actually, the one that got away managed to escape after a handcuff "joke". He put them on him on himself, turns around and manages to turn around and the handcuffs are off. He would swing them around on a finger, playfully. The guy would ask how it was done and Gacey would proceed to place them on the boy....the boy looked up and said an evil darkness had crept over his clown painted face... The boy says, I can't figure out how you did that trick! He whispers. You gotta have the keys.... " .so messed up. I'm from a couple hours outside Chicago, so Gacy has always been a freaky fascination of mine!
@@CrimeOfTheTrueKind I heard he didn't actually kill while dressed as a clown
He lives on and exists still through us
Years back a friend pointed out that Gacy's clown makeup style deviated from what people who do clowning, especially around children, usually do. Instead of rounding his mouth corners, he made them into points. Points in a clowns smile have a sinister conotation
Due to your comment I literally checked Gacy's makeup style because I found it very interesting. You're right, his corners are so pointy in contrast to other clowns who rather wear much rounded corners. I got goosebumps, this guy was a true evil. Guess he did it subconsciously.
I wonder if jester makeup has meanings now
Gacy had a clown friend and his makeup was sinister . ..It looked Jokerish.
A gaping maw
Baby’s asleep, house is clean, AND MY FAVE UPLOADED?! Perfect combination on this rainy day. ☺️✨
Lol your channel name 😂
Lmfaoooo I just saw this 🤣💜
I'm surprised you didn't note the clear smirk at 16 minutes 15 seconds when he was describing the cops following him. He clearly enjoyed "outsmarting" the cops.
I think Gacy working with kids in hospitals was a moral transaction- like, “I make so many little children happy it far outweighs any criticism I might face for the occasional body in my crawl space.” I’m not saying it makes sense, but that seems to be the way he frames it.
Along with that, his charitable work and generosity to children was a cold blooded strategy to remove himself from suspicion in the community. Basically he was creating a moral alibi. Not that he had morals, he just knew how other people’s morals worked.
"The occasional body in my crawl space"
That was funnier than it had any business being
@@birdyfeederz7940 I was trying to get his “voice “ right. 😁
I think his ability to lie without showing it is because he actually believes his lies. And he can't say the first conviction was consensual since it was an underage child.
Interrogators had such a hard time dealing with this piece of filthy garbage. Too much arrogance.
Yeah he really was full of it. The crimes are usually more (darkly) interesting than the person themselves. They’re just nothing & that’s why they do what they do.
@@ThanksChris Oh, word. Even Manson was a tedious show off when you got right down to it.
He rationalized everything. Everything was somehow self-defense to him. If you watch the rest of the interview, you see this attitude of, "oh well, it had to be done. Totally not weird that I've been forced to kill this many people. You know how it is."
Wonder why he did not just cement the crawl space as that would've covered the smell
I once told someone my mom's fav serial killer is Charles Manson and my dad's favorite was John Wayne Gacy and they never called me again. Gets rid of the bill collectors or telemarketers.
thats hilarious ☠️
@@wtfvenusss and very effective!
Charles manson did not ever kill anyone himself (he made others kill for him though) as far as we know at least so it always bugs me when people still call him a serial killer. Yeah I know that your comment was not being a serious one but I still wanted to say this in case someone actually thinks Manson was a serial killer.
@@tuikku8645 I mean it was more lighthearted than actually labeling serial killers as opposed to cult leaders/spree killers/etc because at the time I was getting political calls. I feel like if you call me at 8pm on a Sunday, I'm stretching out the weirdness for as loooooooooong as I can. You gotta make your own entertainment in this world.
@@tuikku8645 But yeah I agree just giving you the rationale behind the comment.
I'm surprised you didn't mention when he said, "He claimed he was abused by me," instead of saying, "He claimed I abused him." He's using a passive tone to create distance between himself and the abuse, almost trying to place some guilt on the victim instead of him. 🤔
Not sure if you’ll see this but every time I hear you tell your viewers to make suggestions, I think of the UK comedy show Would I Lie to You, it’s probably more of a lighthearted suggestion, but it’d be awesome to watch you try figure out who’s telling the truth, maybe with your partner too.
Oh, that would be awesome! Lighthearted yes, but we need a lighthearted treat amongst the serial malice once in a while.
Don’t quote me but I’m pretty sure him and his partner aren’t together anymore.. thought I saw that somewhere
@@Tayper9 Really? I thought they just bought a new house together
@Madame Melone oh. Sorry to hear that
love that Logan not only can help explain non-verbal body language, but offers a psycho-analytical take on it as well. not only did he show some non-verbal slippage, but WHY did Gacey have that slippage? childhood trauma? narcissism & need for control? just helps us to understand the world around us a bit better, and the unfortunate people that come with it. as a Psych student, I've come to realize just about every single field of education & line of work involves being able to understand & communicate with individual people, and it's a background that is really helpful to either be educated in or have some passion & interest in Psychology no matter what career you want or have. although body language analysis isn't directly Psychology, it's a branch of it and is also really helpful for myself to have some knowledge in as well. so thanks you for educating us all Logan :) I seriously adore you!
“Fascinating. he gave extra information about the phone call that he said he was on beforehand. Nobody - *nobody* cared who he was on the phone with or what they were talking about 😐”
Idk why but this cracked me up when Logan said this staring straight into the camera 😂
He makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Even if I knew nothing about him …would NOT want to be near him.
This might be because of hindsight but I also find him kind of unnatural, like he's constantly acting.....you can see this especially in that Dating game killer guy (I cannot remember his name) in the show when he's "laughing" he looks like an alien trying to act human.
@@tuikku8645 Yeah, he wasn’t charming at all to me.
Apparently not the other contestant, either. The Dating Game sent a chaperone on those vacation for two prizes they won, and evidently the girl was all clingy with the chaperone because Ramirez seriously creeped her out.
(Oh, and his jokes were really corny, too. 😣)
@Status Disarray Yeah, it’s not even a big creep factor for me, he just seems like an asshole.
I think I accidentally let it slip that I know a lot about serial killers at work. I've been pretty quiet so far, but I overheard my coworker say that John Gacy used to dress up as a clown, and I couldn't help but add that his clown name was Pogo and his last words were "Kiss my ass" before he was executed 😆
He also performed as patches the clown as well.
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Coincidentally, he also happened to be very well known amongst the Democratic Party, knowing many officials and even having his picture taken with Former First Lady, Rosalyn Carter. (Same/similar situation regarding Jim Jones and Rosalyn Carter meeting with one another and posing for pictures together. )
@@mamabear-9.18.18 and Bundy volunteered and was known for his Republican party affiliations 🤷🏼♀️ not sure what you're pulling your straw man out for, but it's a weird one.
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First off…I hate clowns, don’t know why, but I do. I worked with a guy that was from Chicago, his parents have a picture of him as a toddler being held by Gacy at a birthday party. The unsettling thing is that he is obviously not stupid and looks and talks just like anyone else but…that’s the scary part. Serial killers aren’t necessarily freaks, just average husbands and fathers.
To our brains the exaggerated facial expressions and features, as well as almost human-like trigger a threat response.
@@BizzyBee30 the opera "pagliacci" also caused a fear of clowns that is still prevalent today. i believe it was the first work of fiction that presented the idea that someone who makes people laugh for a living could be hiding an unfathomable darkness beneath that joyful mask, which made people start to think. then this case happened exactly 80 years later, which in turn inspired stephen king's "it". pennywise's costume in the 2017 version seems to be inspired by the character canio plays in "pagliacci".
Richard Ramirez next? You're so talented and smart I've learned so much from watching you so I send my gratitude
Do you realize watching UA-cam videos isn't real education?
You do know he’s not gonna let u fuck right?
@@shawnl910 you can still learn new things, I've learned a lot about body language that I never knew before just by watching his videos I never found an interest in body language but he changed my mind and now I find it pretty interesting he teaches you about body language so if you don't learn from it then why are you here?
@@shawnl910 I've learned a lot from UA-cam and it's my go-to for looking up how to do anything I don't already know how to do. It isn't a formal form of education but typically it's more accessible than other types.
@@shawnl910 what would the definition of "real education" be?
Wow, was hoping for some fresh material on my feed the past couple days and this just pops up!! Great content-- Your angle of breaking down the body language of killers is super interesting and informative. Just imagine how helpful this information could be in educating naive individuals in the behavior patterns of predators and manipulators. You're more or less helping people spot red flags. Bravo, excellent work!!
So cool to watch a profiler interview him in their professional, tactical way- with his non-verbal communication in mind, like starting with getting him talking about regular things like his business etc to establish a baseline- and have it analysed by you as well, based on his non-verbal communication. Amazing!
24:00 Regarding the handcuffs, I think he’s drawing the difference between his victims and the children he entertained as a clown. Like, “I handcuffed the dudes I murdered, not the kids at the hospital.”
Ohhhh man, I'd love to see what you make of Jimmy Savile!! An utterly depraved excuse for a human being!
He reckoned he would punch St Peter at the pearly gates if he'd refused him entry.
I believe that all of his charity work was, in his mind, repentance, and that all of the running he did was a form of self flagelation, due to him being very religious.
He was also great friends with the royal and at one point was called in as a marriage councillor for prince Charles and Diana. He was also very good friends with Margaret Thatcher. The bbc knew what he was upto but turned a blind eye.
He was so incredibly blatant, even in interviews but nobody said a word....so so disgusting and creepy, both him and those who kept quiet around him.
Oh, and Rolf Harris. 2 much loved celebrities who were actually monsters.
Did Gacy's comment about performing to children in hospital make you think of Saville? Cause it did me
@@kelst75 dont think RH same level as JS etc
Hey just a heads up that the victim of the sodomy charge was a 15 year old boy so definitely not a he said/she said situation. Maybe I misunderstood your comment but I was thinking you interpreted that as an adult man. Thanks for the interesting video. This man was definitely a monster.
he was not working alone ,at those parties, he had lots of support from local police & was part of a ring supplying young boys for special kind of movies with no happy end, him & Dean Corll, it was an insane time for killers
OH MY GOODNESS!!! A few months ago I emailed your staff and said how exciting it would be to have merch that said "so on and so forth" and stuff about idiotes!!!! And there is some options!!! Ive wanted a shirt that said your infamous line for a long time!! Putting my order in now!!!! 🎉
I found this really fascinating. Never knew before what he looked or sounded like. Thanks Logan!
Wow the level of control he was trying to exert over the man in the initial conviction!
I like the subtle change from "he said, she said" to "they said, they said"
Maybe the reason he is able to recall details about his previous business because it's rehearsed. He loves talking about himself and his business so he's talked about it before.
I'm curious if you are able to read the body language of an autistic spectrum person? I have a lot of autistic traits + severe social anxiety and all those make me act "strange" in social situations, like I try to avoid eye contact and instead look on the area around the persons face and I also have facial tics when nervous. I'm curious how hard it would be to read a person with these kinds of problems?
It's all relative to what's normal for YOU. These types of videos are entertaining, nothing more or less. If one were to take a more realistic approach, they may spend however much time is needed to see what's normal for someone like you or me. Then, what deviates from that "baseline"? And even then it's never 100% accurate in all aspects. I find it useful for me to understand why I feel a certain way. I FEEL so strongly that a certain social figure is lying? This kind of helps me go, "I did notice that, that's why I felt that way"
It's more a tool that's designed to work alongside other tools, but not one of an exact science rather one of "instinct" or pattern recognition.
Yesssss! My daughter and I both do these things too. Im more with giggling, tuning totally out, and facial tics. My daughter wrings her hands or starts rocking. Sometimes we both have to say "im so sorry" & walk away as the engagement is just way too overwhelming. It can cause people to totally read us wrong, think we are angry or rude, and it's so incredibly frustrating.
It would be so incredibly interesting to see if a body language analyst can create subcategories for people with different disorders like autism. We filter, process, and react completely differently.
I have been diagnosed with all types of social anxiety + severe social phobia and I think it's definitely way harder for ppl to read us. Bc we offer a lot of nervous tics that most might perceive as "tells" of deceit. I once dated someone who thought they could read a liar bc they saw a video one time that gave false information that a person will look in certain specific directions if they are being truthful or not.. couldn't figure out for years why I was always being accused of lying and etc. Till they finally told me what they were basing it off of 🤦♀️ so I'm pretty glad Observe makes these bc he makes them and tells you certain body language can also be signs of anxiety agitation discomfort or etc. It made me feel a lot better like a lot more justified bc I always wondered what I did "wrong" or what I was doing that made me seem so dishonest. Being more aware of my nervous tics (like what a regular person would specifically perceive as "off" has really helped me break the habit of using them -- unless I'm super stressed and not able to remember I'm working to control them and in doing so in a way it's sort of helped me manage my anxiety around others SORT of
I'm sorry to anyone who also suffers anxiety+ also especially social anxiety ❤ you just have to keep practicing. Think of it as a skill you need to constantly sharpen and nothing more and that sort of takes the stress / alienation out of it ❤
I have autism and whenever I watch interrogation or body analysis videos I get nervous about my own body language being misinterpreted. Of course, body language alone cannot determine if someone is guilty or not, but it definitely tells the detectives which approach to go for.
But then again, I remind myself that I’ll never end up in a situation where I’d be interrogated in such a manner LMAO
If you have a baseline on a person, I think that body language is still able to be used to look at clusters of unusual/ off baseline behaviours. So if your baseline is avoiding eye contact, tapping your leg, touching your face, fiddling, moving back and forth when talking about something benign, but then when answering other questions you have a cluster of off baseline behaviours, we would want to look at why those questions caused an issue
I remember learning about this in a class in 8th grade. The entire class decided that lethal injection was to good for him. I doubt many people's thoughts have changed from there
the handcuff part was his idea of a little joke because he used handcuffs to detain a lot of his victims and he would pretend it was a magic trick
I can't tell if he used Pogo the clown to lure children to him, but I could see the how performing as Pogo could get the community used to seeing him with young boys, where they wouldn't think anything unusual about it.
I just have to say, your opening is my favorite on UA-cam
My dad was a clown as I was growing up. He was a part of the Merry Medics, and he did parades and hospital visits and all such things. My sister and I were even part of the act sometimes when we were really young. I never thought it was strange, and I still don't. I'm proud of what my dad used to do. He clowned until he was in his late 40s and he did a lot of good things with that group. They were all just fun dads or grandpas, not creepy guys hanging around kids. But, at the same time, they were men with kids of their own. Perhaps that is the defining line between creepy and caring?
That said, I am very uncomfortable with Gacy being a clown for obvious reasons.
Oh, hell yes. Just when I was about to get off UA-cam, you post this 😂
My dad was an investigator on the case. I still vividly remember him coming home after helping dig those boys out of the crawlspace it was late December 78 .i was 8 and gacy became the real boogie man. He is said to have been likeable and I just think he knew how to manipulate.my dad believes he did not act alone . And believe me ..he didn't.
Logan, bless you! Thank you for this awesome post on an otherwise full Sunday evening!
I thought you’d mention the slight smile peaking through when he says handcuffs
He would pretend he was showing them a trick with handcuffs to make what he wanted to do next easier I believe. At least some of them.
The up close view around 6:03 scared the hell out of me.
Gacy is fascinating so I am glad you are covering him. He had a very abusive childhood and his father absolutely impacted shame in his sexual identity. Does that mean what Gacy did was okay? Absolutely not but it is just a part of the story. I am also enjoying watching him talk. He seems very intelligent, and I did not know that.
so, I'm not a clown, although I did consider it for a time, and the allure (for me) was: the idea of acting a fool, for the sake of other peoples enjoyment, and for me a clown is like the official uniform for such behavior. In reality in a very shy and reserved person, but with clowning, I could see myself sort of breaking free from those parts of my personality.
Side not: this isn't a weird quirk I have, I was always the kid who wanted to run away and join the circus, I practiced magic, acrobats, juggling, various "freak" or "geek" acts, fire eating, etc. So the idea of clowning was never to far from my usual interests.
He had help from one or two of his hired help. One went on to commit several serious crimes against other victims. John Gacy's crimes went deeper than what is known. He also tortured his victims and SA'd them for hours using all kinds of devices/items. He is a monster. But he is not the first guy to do this. There was Another man who lured young boys to his home to do similar things as Gacy did. Same handcuff trick and same tortures and abuses. He had killed more than Gacy and he also had help of his young "friends." His name was Dean Corll from Texas.
You: asking if part of his interview made us uneasy
Me: the WHOLE interview made me uneasy
I had the jeebie heebies the entire time
I always enjoy your videos on serial killers! I remember when you did Chris Watts series as well, stayed ever since!
I think you may appreciate this fun little silly law factoid: your pronunciation of Joliet can earn you a misdemeanor! It’s pronounced with a long o so phonetically it would be “joe-lee-ette”
Be sure to come over and turn yourself in but first arrange a meet up in the area 🙂
I’ve been fascinated with Gacy for much of my life. I grew up in the Chicago burbs and remember his execution when I was young. He reminds me of someone who hurt me badly. Gacy, after all, began his crimes on his sister.
Great work as always!
I've always been terrified of clowns and I think people who clown for a living have something deep and dark inside them. Case in point - John Wayne Gacy.
My dogs name is Pogo. But in French a Pogo is a corndog 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤣 Always found it funny his clown name was Pogo, all I see is a corndog haha
My mom went to high school with Gacy (Schurz, Chicago) and was the same age as him.She found this out years later, and had never met him, though.
Your intro tickles my brain itch ✨
He’s not as talked about but I think it would be so interesting to check out the interrogation of Israel Keyes
That would be interesting! That guy is *freaky*. That laugh...
Another one I would like him to analyze is Aileen Wuornos.
"I really hate how people call me a monster!" Says the killer clown with 33 bodies in his house!
I like when you leave your "bloopers" in. If we could have a whooooole episode just of bloopers ~I'd be here 👏🏽 for 👏🏽 it 👏🏽!!😂 💙💜💙💜
I was born & raised in Iowa , lived there until I was 30- but I had no idea about this guy ever living in Iowa.....probably bc I just didn't get into anything that had to due with it bc of the whole clown thing being attached to it... clowns in real life kinda scare me. Used to love Bozo as a kid... but can't do them in real life lol nope, nope, nope.
He seemed very egocentric during the interview ...... which isn't a shocker ...
+1 for leaving bloopers in, love them
As a kid he would have completely creeped me out. My mom taught me to always read people's eyes and his are all wrong even out of the clown suit and makeup😳🏃♀️💨
I’d be interested to see your take on letecia stauch
In and of itself, him being a clown to entertain sick kids at the hospital isn’t a red flag. It’s that he’s also John Wayne Gacy the serial killer that makes it odd/off, and helped Americans as a whole to have a slight distrust/fear of clowns, not that it didn’t exist before, but he definitely amplified it
So excited to hear this is going to be a multiple part mini series
I just met a guy that told me that he went to the house in Chicago, right after they found the bodies under the house. They lifted the house up on cinder blocks, and the FBI had to crawl under it. 😮😵
No, they just ripped up his floor so they could get to all the bodies
Great analysis Logan, but you killed me with “Jolliet” 😫 Long “O”
Do you think you could do some with Actors and their performances and maybe tell us what non verbal cues make some performances really good and some bad? Like maybe do some famous acting scenes and analyze why they work or ones that feel off and why they feel off?
Like up so he can see pls ❤
“They were looking for sensationalism… that I’m a killer…”
Sir what? Sensationalism what?
I remember hearing about his execution on the news and my gram saying she pities the devil for having to deal with this monster.
Thank you for this interesting video as John Wayne Gacy has always intrigued me.👍♥️.
Me: "that's gross". Logan: "do I need to say anything about that... that's gross."
Oh wow, have you and your spouse had 'Bling Empire: New York's episode 'Helmut Nasty' episode recommended to you? I had THE BEST time following the body language using what I've learned from watching you explain reality tv, and watching you two do a read on it would be amazing. The lunch scene with Lynne and Blake
I haven't had time to breathe much. I finally saw this and wow. Thank you so much. Amazing as always, Logan :)
PASSENBLANC?!!!!! I FOLLOWED YOU ON TIKTOK because you were a fellow lightskin biracial!!! So glad to see you thriving!!!
1:39 I paused the video right here to see how far away I am from Gacy's house.
35 minutes. Interesting! 😊
I would assume he has scorn for people calling him out because he prefers to be under the radar, unseen, out in the world because he wants to continue committing these heinous acts. He's not upset that it's the truth (imo) but in the fact that people now know and that he's been caught-- and being told that he was charged is a constant reminder of that.
“Do I need to comment on that? That’s gross” moves on hahaha
I think it would be super interesting if you could look into Chris Benoit and exam some videos of him. He was always one of my favorite wrestlers and what happened is just a horrible tragedy. I would love to see if there’s anything from any clips that you see that hint at anything noticeable.
Really like this analysis.
From what I remember once he got the young boys to the house..... He would take him downstairs to the basement and say that he was going to perform the magic trick with handcuffs and then would handcuff them so they couldn't leave
Years ago, I saw one of his 🤡costumes in a museum. It’s even creepier in person.
I almost wonder if it isn't so much an inflated sense of ego but more about him feeling that he was lacking in some way and therefore needing to impress those around him and always trying to seem like the smartest guy in the room. That would also connect to his control issues, if he wasn't controlling the narrative then how could he be sure he sounded like the smartest person. I feel that may have also explained, somewhat, the comment about being himself as Pogo, because he wouldn't have needed to pretend as a clown. Just a thought. Love your work, thank you for the amazing content!
I like to preemptive when it comes to answering questions, because I don't know what questions will be asked
Don’t be shy :) Drop the next part
Did you know that on the day John was executed, Jeffery Dahmer was baptised?
I thought that small piece of information was kind of creepy 😅😅😅
Do you think he knew all his victims names but didn't tell to enable him to keep control of something
PLEASE do Aileen Wuornos!
I have never heard him speak before but have seen the detailed account of what he did , I now completely understand why the young men and boys trusted him it’s scary how normal he comes across even when convicted of 30 murders
Mr observe, I beg of you. Please do a video on the new Netflix Paranormal show "28 days haunted". IT IS GOLD.
From Chicago area and have heard about Gacy. He always creeps me out. Something is just off on him. Thanks for analyzing this one.
Gacy always said he was bisexual and liked both men and women. Many speculate that he was gay though, seeing as his victims were all male and he didn’t seem interested in women much, even refusing to sleep with his second wife after a point in their marriage.
I clicked SO fast. Perfect Sunday afternoon entertainment!
I think the clown handcuffs answer was based on him being dubbed the “killer clown” but if I recall it all correctly I believe none of his victims were killed while he was in his clown persona so probably just a clarification that he didn’t do that as a clown. I could be wrong been a while since I’ve read up on gacy stuff so if I am, my bad.
Gonna check the merch store! You make my days better!!!
Doesn't take a body language analyst to see how much Gacy disturbs you, even just watching an interview lol. Don't get me wrong, he was one seriously deranged individual, but I didn't expect you to have such a huge reaction to this. You almost seem disgusted to have to say when he doesn't appear to be being deceptive. I'm almost more interested in your reaction to it than your analysis of it lol
i thought i was the only one but yeah he seems like he is going to cry
I live in Chicago, he was a terrifying part of the city's history and for all of the surrounding suburbs. People still talk about meeting him, having him at their parties, etc. He was genuinely terrifying to everyone here.
...also for future reference it's pronounced Joe-liet, not jolly-et.
Thank you for this series.
So happy to see a new video from you!
It was because of gacy that people started fearing clowns around that time it was the first year where killer clowns were a Halloween costume
In regards to the surveillance he was not establishing alibi at the time it was after rob piest so no need to he was done killing. They were watching to make sure and were hoping to be lead to a live rob piest. The officers involved including my dad had to remember who john really was because he was likeable they ate at diners and had a beer with him. The crawlspace didn't smell until ground was broken. Or when it rained or snowed . Or when the heat turned on.
Can't wait for the next 2
By calling him a killer clown, it makes it sound like he kills people in the clown costume.
This was excellent! Excited for the other two! 🎉
Thanks Logan, looking forward to the rest of the videos. Gacy was a horror.
Omg I was listening to this while I was cooking, and I thought Gacy was Jordan Peterson 😆.
I can't unhear it 😂😂
Please do the Ramsey family interviews
Would love to see you go over some Bam Margera interviews, particularly the recent ones with BJ Investigates.
Love this subject !!