People say that Ted Bundy was charming but I could never see it. I personally think that Edmund Kemper had more charm and he gives you the impression of safety. Which is even more fascinating and terrifying.
@@Mili-bedili you’re not wrong. But I don’t get it mainly because Bundy had a penchant towards rambling on and on about himself like he had big time main character syndrome and he just felt off, I watched a lot of stuff on him and the way he interacted was very weird for the context the discussion took place in. If Kemper didn’t have such a chip on his shoulder about women and didn’t think he was incapable romantically, I think he could have been much worse tbh because he seems normal and intelligent and pretty good at fooling people.
I really like Ed Kemper, never thought he was bad looking (Ted Bundy isn't even attractive cmon). I think he's charm is to do with the fact he looks shy but also being so intelligent
The way Edmund Kemper reflects seems to be the same way I do. It's that feeling of "ah I can relate to him" which I don't normally get from other interviews with killers.
it's obvious to me- ted bundy was the charming serial killer and ed kemper was more of the intelligent one, almost like a psychologist trying to understand his patient and the emotional detachment definitely amplified that feeling...
Ed is extremely fascinating. He's so intelligent and it makes me wonder how far he could've gone in life if he hadn't been a serial killer. He discusses things so nonchalantly and talks about killing like he's talking about just another Saturday. He knows how to speak and appear to be "normal".
I think he is unique largely because he studied psychology from a young age (due to treatment after the murder of his grandparents) and still had the rage/abuse/genetic cocktail of factors that lead to serial murder as a coping mechanism. Studying psychology lead to a lot of insight which is rare in serial killers.
@@ezekielrose9789 Wouldn't him studying psychology make it make more sense tho? (i know nothing of the story yet. gonna watch right now.) Studying psychology is a way to LEARN how behave "normal." We also need to stop with excusing any and all "disabilities" when it comes to crime. By a tender age, we KNOW right from wrong. taught or not.
He’s interesting because he’s basically as honest as I’ve seen a serial killer be, but he really wants the recognition. It’s why he turned himself in. If you get the opportunity, listen to the initial FBI interviews when they were first profiling. They’re horrific but SUPER fascinating.
I also think he turned himself in so that he could say he "was never caught" he knew eventually someone would find out why his mother and her friend disappeared and he knew he'd be a number one suspect and eventually would have been caught, do I think he turned himself in once he realised they weren't already chasing him, it's all about power and appearing better, stronger and smarter than anyone else.
He speaks like he’s writing his own biography or movie script. I think that’s why it sounds so methodical and he gives background details. IMO it’s all planned and he’s lying about any randomness of it. He always wanted to be infamous
he was smart enough to continue killing but it seemed to stop once he killed his mother...he has mommy issues big time.. but oddly enough he is empathetic about his mom's suffering despite her being so cruel to him...he is definitely an odd killer
Dahmer was also extremely honest and took responsibility. He didn't make excuses which was unusual. He spoke about his compulsion so honestly it is frightening.
Well the rule for Ed was not to initiate bullying and have ir make you feel like nothing. His mothers abuse was soo unecessary and theres only so many times you can poke a dog.
@@ericlarousse1149 I do assume that. My point was more toward how it can be easier to trust a person with a calm and seemingly sweet demeanor with really no basis for that trust outside how they present their self. Don’t expect everyone to kill you-but also don’t assume when you meet a person who seems as normal as can be that that means that person wouldn’t kill you. Dahmer & Kemper weren’t ambush killers. They knew how to act to gain people’s trust before they killed them. I think these interviews are a reminder to not trust your safety with someone you don’t truly know regardless of how trustworthy they seem.
A lot of it is nature I despised his whining about his mom. Millions of women across the world are seriously abused by their fathers, often times s*xuaIIy and none of them turn out to be Kempers. But people make fun of them for having "daddy issues". Meanwhile some people, hopefully none here, genuinely believe this freak was driven to murder by someone else.
@@Maialeen Either you are biased or you are emotionally manipulating people for your agenda. First of all, some of them turn to murder. Second of all why would you mention the ten people thgat make fun of them. It has nothing to do with the case. You make me mad.
@@Maialeen I think EVERYONE who is abused deserves empathy. We can judge people for their actions, in Kemper's case his murders, but still empathize with them for their troubled life. Nothing is absolute.
26:30 - I imagine he stumbled over "that first two murders" because those weren't his first two murders. He had already gone to prison for his actual first two murders (his grandparents), so referring to these as his first two, although makes sense in context, is still incongruous.
This is what I had written as well, glad I caught this so it's more likely Logan will see it. I don't think he considers them in the same grouping because they are classified much differently.
I don't know... But the headshake around "Something from my childhood" and the nervous laughter around the chicken story. It seems like Kemper GENUINELY doesn't know why he is the way he is. And for a guy who wants to appear intelligent and in control at all times, I can see why that would be really troubling. For once, there's a part of his story that he doesn't have an answer for, so he tries to minimalize it with a verbal shrug and a bit of black humor. It might be a misdirection, but I'm hesitant to say he's lying here.
I think you're onto something. This theory would be backed by his explanation that maby the chicken had something to do with it, but it's not that simple, there's more to it.
Ed Kemper gave us a lot of the information we have now on criminal psychology. He’s definitely a fascinating person along with Ted Bundy. He gave us a lot of the information we have too!
I have felt for a while that it was his way of expressing remorse. Like he wanted police to have a better insight into the mind of serial killers in an effort to catch people like him earlier or be able to recognize the signs early on and stop them before things got out of hand. But I could be completely off base.
My great aunt met Ed Kemper while working as a prison chaplain in California Medical Facility!!!! For some reason her college let her do that for her internship????? But she didn’t recognize him cuz we’re from Michigan and he asked her if she knew him and she said no. She said he looked shocked and offended and told her “I killed a bunch of coeds in the 70’s” and my aunt replied like a smart ass saying “sure you did” lol she found out later who he was. She also met Charles Manson!! They were in the prison at the same time at one point. Charles somehow manipulated his way into being a chaplain at the prison too. He would be uncuffed preaching in the same room as my great aunt and one time he got all up in her face while she was preaching. Scared the shit out of her because he wasn’t restrained at all. She said she saw evil in his eyes and was scared he’d kill her right there. She was a pretty young college student in a chaplain uniform…target for creepy prisoners.
@@elci609 she graduated college in 1980, Charles and Ed were at CMF together from 1976-1984 until Charles was transferred. She would’ve been there sometime between 1976 and 1980. Ed would’ve been 28-32 years old, Charles would’ve been 42-46 years old.
@@tiggercampbell6198 she really has the coolest life! I forgot when because I wasn’t born yet, but when she was young she actually died in a car accident, like pronounced dead, but was brought back to life! She swears she felt the presence of something and it made her believe in God, so she studied theology and psychology. Now she runs a hippie church in Northern California with her husband! They used to live on a Navajo reservation and helped build a school and a church and improve the reservation conditions. Before that she worked in a women’s prison and counseled addicted women and helped them get custody of their kids when they were released. I could keep going on but I’ll stop lmao. I fucking love her.
As someone who grew up with bad parents, especially my mom, and their failed marriage weighing on me a lot, I can confirm I didn't become a murderer. I got severe depression, anxiety, PTSD and 2 eating disorders. But I would cry if I accidentally stepped on a snail. So idk, I don't think having a terrible mom makes you murder people.
Because of his size, Kemper's mom thought he was going to rape his sister. She locked him up in his basement room. And, yes, his mom made that thought totally clear to him. I'm not defending him, but think of how you would feel hearing this from your mom.
Different terrible moms are terrible in different ways and their children are all individuals who react in different ways. One psychologist said it's more ususal for men to blame others and attack others than it is for women, who instead blame themselves and punish themselves. I'm not defending Kemper at all. He did have a choice. He knew it was cruel and wrong and he knew he didn't have to hurt people like that.
As someone who also grew up with abuse: there's a lot of different factors that make the difference in how someone turns out. The innate disposition of the child is one thing, relative isolation from functional people and role models is another, also the type of abuse endured. At the same time, I think Ed latched onto the "blame it on mom" thing in part because it was something that was accepted by psychology at the time and because people responded to it. He may not understand it as well as he thinks he does.
@@michellementh9651 but didn't btk care about his family or daughter? I heard he treated them really well but can't say for sure as I don't know a lot about him.
I find his choice in making 1/3 of his victims to be his family quite interesting. He states why he killed his mother, and her friend. We understand why he killed his grandparents. It almost makes me feel like he knew from a young age he would end up killing, so he killed off those who could tell the truth of his life story. I think he didn’t go after his father or siblings because he knew they would not say anything for public consumption. This interview so far just feels like he’s creating the narrative of his life story in his perfect image, has crafted his words/composure very carefully. To me, his ultimate goal was to immortalize himself, and prove that he is the ultimate manipulator- treating life like it’s one big game of chess. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see a normal person… all I see is a master manipulator, and he doesn’t sit right in my spirit. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk🙃
I think you’re spot on! So many people seem to be fooled by his “remorse” - which appears shallow and fake to me - or the fact that he’s said that he only speaks about the murders to prevent others from doing the same; I don’t believe that for a minute. He was pissed off people *still* weren’t paying attention to him, knew he would get caught after killing his mother, and so turned himself in to maintain control of the narrative. Every subsequent interview has been to further that goal, as well as give him the satisfaction of pulling the wool over more people’s eyes.
@@feefoofuu hah, don’t worry about it! It’s nice to see other people can see through him: I think he’s got away with so much, because he’s so good at crafting his own image. And I hate that that probably gives him more satisfaction than anything else. Most murderers manage to make themselves front and centre in the narrative - at least for a time - but we usually see through their actions. Ed has been subtle enough that it’s not always detected… to the extent that people *give him credit* for being honest and helpful. It pisses me off because he’s still talking about _himself_ above all, depersonalising the victims, and not even saying their names. He’s just a better actor than a lot of the other serial killers; or that’s the only difference that I see, anyway.
Why would it be "just you"? Literally who of sound mind would see a normal person after what he did. He's an obvious abomination and should have never existed.
@@feefoofuu that’s exactly it, though: what people seem to forget constantly is that he murdered his grandparents at _fifteen_, was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia (because practically everyone was in those days), and received extensive therapy in prison. Sociopaths benefit from therapy… but it’s not because it makes them a better person, it’s because they become more sophisticated manipulators, and therefore better able to game the system. Ed is doing basically the same thing horoscopes do: appealing to the masses by saying something that sounds specific, but is in fact vague and widely encompassing. It’s exactly as you said: he’s playing at vulnerability by being all “omg why did I tell you that uWu”, as if that’s some sort of expositor of deep vulnerability, when in fact it’s weaponising the *idea* of vulnerability. And he still somehow manages to be patronising about it! Which is further proof, imo, that he can’t help his narcissism leaking out occasionally; he has to be in control somehow. He’s careful about it, but he still shows the narcissistic hallmark of nothing ever being his fault. Honestly I think you’ve got him down to a t.
There’s a certain intrigue that pulls me towards Ed Kemper. As a neurodivergent individual who has been in and out of hospitals and psych wards, I understand completely why he can live an extremely “ordinary” life within prison, the routine and lack of triggers within a controlled environment can be ideal for neurodivergent people.
This is what I was thinking too. The consistency and predictability could help him stabilize. In the same way, I think he is able to just switch off his emotions to a degree (like turning down the volume) due to practice and that's how he's able to keep a calm even tone... it's basically how he had to exist to survive in this world. I wonder if the killing was, in part, a compulsion and part of him turning himself in was taking control back when he felt himself starting to lose it. He feels like he's kntelligent and driven, to a degree, by logic, so self-control would be important to him. I've seen others who see themselves as smart/logical do similar things with their addictions, so it's not far-fetched.
He can lull people into thinking that he is a regular Joe. He comes across as someone that you could have as a fishing buddy. You always have to keep your guard up with him. It's a shame because he would be a very interesting friend to have around.
You are correct that unfortunately there are some members of LE who did not get into that field for altruistic reasons. I know a guy who was violent as a teenager, once put a knife to a friend's throat and told her that he wanted a job where he could "kill people legally." He went into the military, then became a police officer. I fully expect to see him in the news someday - unless he doesn't get caught. 😕
I recently heard about a case from Australia and it would be extremely interesting to hear your thoughts. Gable Tostee and the woman who fell off his 13th floor apartment balcony, Warriena Wright. Love your vids!
I REALLY miss the "hey there idiotes" intro! I really got a kick out of it every time, and now the chances of someone calling me that again are basically non existent. Let's face it, there's a reason why we need idiotes in the first place! Was really looking forward to this episode! Very very interesting!
There‘s actually an interview that‘s over an hour long of Kemper. This is also not as heavily edited as this one. It‘s fascinating and might make it easier to analyze his body language.
Honestly I find this all eerily relatable. The lack of self defense, the apathetic/intellectual perspective, the desire to communicate something others never seem to fully understand. Even the excitement as he explained how he could blend in, I get some satisfaction when people think I'm genuinely laughing. I have both bipolar and depression in addition to social anxiety so I've always been self conscious of how I present the emotions appropriate to the moment. Finding ways to communicate was not as difficult for me because I was always a passionate story teller and my mom was very supportive of my pursuit in art.
I have a distant reltive who was killed by this man. I only learned it after I had mentioned it while watching mind hunter and asking if that one character was Kemper. I knew we had a relative killed by a serial killer but I had no idea it was Kemper.
Just call him Dennis Rader. That's his fcking name. BTK is a nickname he made up for HIMSELF because he wanted to sound cool. He was literally desperate for people to think he's a scary mastermind. Fcking DENNIS
One of my favorite lines in his interviews we heard here: “…I had just had this horrible experience killing her friend…” He says this with no irony. He really sees himself as a victim in his murdering someone. 🤦♂️🤔✌️… Also, he is totally full of it about why he was keeping the heads. He kept the heads to sexually assault them, period… Also, his demonizing of his mother as the cause of his murdering is seen through here by Logan. Kemper would happily lead you to think that having an annoying mother would have to lead one to murder, While myself and many others with quite annoying mothers are proof that that’s not the case…
The reason he had difficulty with saying the phrase "the first two murders" might be a simple as the fact that he also killed his grandparents. Great video, but man did I have to pause it a lot to get through the heavy topic. This guy really spares nothing. I know it's futile to expect empathy from a psychopath, but it's really callous that he just talks about people's loved ones as just like. A bad interview or something mundane.
@@BengtBagels - oh I know what he did. A podcast I listen to covered his story in more detail. I just find the whole story unpleasant and need to take it in doses.
That would imply he has a conscience, which he does not. He's a sociopath, but his high intelligence allows him to analyze behavior, and use it to manipulate people. That's what he WANTED people to believe, that he is a normal person.
@@BengtBagels did that Netflix show happen to be Mindhunter? I came to the comments to see if anyone rememberd the show having him in it. It was quite disturbing.
Nice! This will be a good one. Thanks Logan. :) Ed has to be one of the most interesting, yet horrific killers in True Crime; the actor who played him in Mindhunter was uncanny!👏
He was incredible. And his communication style is so fascinating. He is so smart and he knows so much about things like psychology that the things he says makes sense.
I can tell this case you are very interested in. I am too. It's nice to see someone who is good at their job in the zone. You sir are in the zone. Breaking down E.K.. I still love the other episodes but this one is amazing. I love it!
Watching Kemper is just engrossing... his intellect, directness, & resentment. Yes, he's manipulative, yes he blames his mother, but he's just captivating as a serial killer for "different" reasons. For example, watching Ted Bundy is much different than watching Kemper; how the two serial killers are somewhat diametrically opposed in their speech, & how they presented themselves for interviews. Bundy NEVER admitted to killing anyone.
Could you imagine this 6'9 dude coming at you with the intent to kill you? crazy that he got out of lock up for murdering his grandparents to go on to murder all those ppl.
You should look up Kayla Bourque. My criminology professor actual had her in one of his classes, and she was only arrested because she decided to tell one of her classmates about her fantasies, and took the criminology class so she "wouldn't be caught" (BTK anyone?)
I wonder how an actor’s interpretation of Kemper would match up… I was so impressed by his character’s portrayal on Mindhunter, a series about the origins of serial kller profiling (starring Jonathan Groff!). Love the editing glow-up btw!
Britton was brilliant as Kemper. He had the cadence of his speech nailed & the calmness. It was fascinating to watch the actor just as much as Kemper himself.
@@carolinesc3615 Groff played the main character, Holden Ford (and was still brilliant), but Kemper was played by Cameron Britton. Hope you don’t mind the correction, I just think he did such a great job he deserves the credit. He hasn’t even acted in that many projects before Mindhunter, but he was eerily accurate.
Ed Kemper didn't just have "above average intelligence". His IQ score was 145, which is higher than 99.865% of the general population (~1/1000) and is considered highly gifted. For reference, the average IQ of university students is 110-115. The average score for PhD's is 130. The average IQ of self-made billionaires is 133. His score is also considerably higher than the average of academic teachers in any subject measured. 145 is not necessarily the score of a certified genius, but he most certainly had the potential to become anything he would've wanted. It's a shame his desires were so twisted. But, then again, IQ scores are overrated. They measure specific aspects of logic and problem solving ability, but a high score does not immediately mean someone is "smart" or capable of achieving greatness in any intellectual capacity. IQ scores can only be somewhat useful measures of potential in specific academic fields, especially in mathematics. I have a lot of friends with exceptional IQ scores, but whom have chosen to live very meager lives away from society. Many of them make very stupid life choices and some of them have absolutely no interest in self-edification or in contributing anything to positive to society.
amazing editing on this one, and the background story before the analysis was thorough and really appreciated as well!!! in other news...... I ABSOLUTELY ADORE MINDHUNTERS IT'S SO AMAZING THAT ED WAS THE ONE TO HELP OUT
I hope you don't mean amazing in a positive way... He felt superior to the investigators, that's probably the only reason he helped them. He was smarter and he enjoyed being acknowledged as such.
Thank you so much! I actually been waiting for this one. Kemper is so fascinating but also a master of manipulation. His ability to articulate comes, I believe, from the 6 years he spent with psychologist and psychiatrist (just imagine the information he got to put his hands on, and that he actually used to prepare himself for further evaluations), and, also the long process of introspection (he didn't have social interaction, so he spent time with himself, reflecting and applying what he learned on his own story and background. That's why he has the answers and "enlightened explanations" for what happened to him, so that, what he did after, comes as an "expected result" for him. Also, I have to say this, that line "something out of my childhood", changing the intonation, called my attention, it's the only moment when he uses that soft tone and makes him sound like a "victim", who sees that kind of actions as normal within his family, like "nothing important". I loved every bit of this vid and hope there's more to come. Great work 👏👏👏
Had been waiting for this one and it was even more interesting than expected! Kemper has such a jaw dropping ability to come across as benign, it's both fascinating and terrifying
I think Ed prided himself on his intelligence and ability to intellectualize his behaviors and the behavior of others. He's thought through this, rehearsed his speeches (probably talked to himself like he was being interviewed), analyzed his motivations. It gives him this independent observer "thing". Also neatly let's people not really see his rage, disgust, fear, condescension/smugness, perversion, and his want to be perceived as extraordinary by others. If he analyzes himself first he has the control of the narrative. If he turns himself in, then he isn't bested and it was "his choice" to stop. He had the control. Anything that hints at compromising his control give a glint of the stuff underneath. He has neat answers but I think he hides the simplicity of some of his urges and motivations. He killed them first, so he could maintain the control and be free from judgement/disgust/etc. of his victims. I think he knows there is a timer on how well he can play the part... especially with women. He prided himself at getting good at playing the part as someone who was probably immediately identified as "odd" in his young life. He knows his interactions have a limit and he will have to do something eventually or he will be rejected, so he controls it before he can be rejected first. I also think at the end of the day, he may be ashamed that no matter his intelligence or work he had done himself... He was "exactly what his mother thought he was". "Wrong", "disturbed", "disgusting", not worthy of affection... Her rejection and disgust was a core wound. And despite the positive feedback he received when institutionalized for his intelligence and behavior, nothing he did would win her approval, affection, love, or convince her he was good. And in the end, he did exactly the horrible things she thought he would. He never "rose above". No amount of masking or intellectualization kept him from proving his mom right. In the end his mom "was right" about him. No matter how he intellectualized his trauma he could never get past wanting her approval, and he ultimately could never prove her wrong. He lost. And all the rest of this is a salve he rubs on to soothe that loss. He emphasized that "He looked so normal" to everyone....but his mom... She never thought he was normal.
And the person making this video has the nerve to say he doesn’t necessarily believe bad parents can create this sort of person. I truly beg to differ. Lol
YESSSS!! Idk if, by some grace of the universe, you saw my suggestion or if others have been pestering you about it, but I've been looking forward to this one since finding your channel last year. THANK YOU, LOGAN! (and Megan, too, bc those dating breakdowns are just... *Chef's kiss*)
I've been very, very excited for this one. I've also always found Kemper very interesting. Very much looking forward to your thoughts on him and this interview!
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I’ve learned about 100s of serial killers and murderers just from fascination with true crime and I can tell you, he is the biggest enigma of them all. He is so incredibly fascinating. Sometimes his story even made me laugh in disbelief. Him getting out at 21 after killing his own grandparents is insane to me. Him purposely building a repore with the police on the co-ed cases and infiltrating was clever on his end but I can’t believe it really worked in his favor for as long as it did. And when he confessed to the murders at a payphone and they laughed and hung up on him?? And he had to CALL AGAIN?? That was almost comical. Just so crazy. Again, his serial killer arch is like no other.
I found him amusing when he was asked what good he had ever done for the world and straight away without a pause he said "stopped women hitchhiking " . .he is very interesting to watch. I hope that more of the interviews are released sometime.
Great video! Ed Kemper is such a complex character and listening to your thoughts on him is really interesting. I'd love to see more videos on this topic and as a special request, please do one about David Berkowitz, he's not as fascinating as Kemper, but he changed his story a few times and it'd be most interesing if could analiced any of his interviews
He has some pretty significant spikes when he talks about killing his mother later in the same interview. Are you planning a 2nd part because I’d love to know your thoughts. There’s also an interesting moment when he lifts his chin and does that throat display you’ve mentioned while describing his actions after one of the murders. Would love to hear your take on that too.
Such a bomb video, I love the background segment in the beginning. Logan, you should have your own TV show! I’d love to see a video on the ‘hostage professional’ from the Cassie Carli case
This is one of your better videos. Love the straight-up analysis visibly fueled by your fascination with the subject and the science. No gossip, no soapboxing. Thank you!
I wish youtubers would warn us when animal cruelty is going to be discussed. I know murder of human beings is horrific but a lot of us can’t stomach hearing about animals being hurt or killed.
As much as I appreciate how much fun you guys have when you do the episodes on reality tv shows and ghost hunters, videos like this are like gold to me. This is exactly why I subscribed to your channel. Please make more of this kind of content 🙏🏼
I remember watching an interview where he said "no offense to Montana but I didn't like it" On behalf of Montanans I'd like to say: we aren't offended 😆
was he medicated for his schizophrenia at the time of this interview? to my understanding, one symptom of schizophrenia is a "flat affect" - diminished (or maybe atypical) emotional expression, even during conversation. I wonder if that could be contributing to the desynchronizations you pointed out
Can you do a video on Phil Spector (not sure if that’s the right spelling). The music industry guy. Specifically the video he release himself to try and clear his name and prove his innocence. This video was interesting!! Loved it.
Once you've heard the grotesque details about what exactly he did to his mother (on top of all the other horrible things he did), any interview you watch with him becomes 100% more unnerving.
Fascinating! Thank you for this. I saw a comment about him being more charming than Bundy, I don't think I'd describe him as charming - but I do think I would have found him interesting and trustworthy - he is the scariest serial killer to me for this reason.
I mean, he comes off to me as a standard abused neurodivergent person whose trauma & upbringing took him down an awful path. His behavior in prison makes sense to me - a structured environment with a clearly laid out system of rules and social structure, and no women - the main source of his trauma. Makes sense especially with how introspective he comes off (which you know is common in many neurodivergencies), it makes sense to me that he "settled in" the way he has tbh.
Rightttttt! I thought it was just me, like he definitely has quite the mental cocktail going on. But you hit it right on the head. The whole idea of "different realities" and being so aware of how you present to others. The overthinking.... I think he has been aware of exactly what he was doing for a WHILEE! Think about it, he is smart as shit and it really doesn't take rocket science. I'd say he started putting the pieces together as a teenager, 13-14ish. And had it all figured out by 25ish maybe a little earlier. Nonetheless Ed Kemper is really fascinating. If it weren't for Ed, imagine how the police (etc...) would be able to handle their work load?
Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking too. I'm autistic and like... I never like to think about that stereotype but I really do think he might have been on the spectrum
This makes a lot of sense to me too. As an autistic person with CPTSD, I have frequently talked about the facts of my trauma while seeming unaffected by it. It's because I have had to cope with trauma by detaching from it, distancing myself emotionally. It makes people uncomfortable though, and sometimes I'll laugh after something particularly difficult for them because their discomfort is really unsettling for me, and if they're starting to take my words too seriously/too much to heart, sometimes a small laugh will shake them out of it kinda. But if I start talking about the effects those traumas had on me, then I very easily get overwhelmed by the emotions from my trauma, and I'll suddenly be very emotionally and have a hard time composing myself. So I have to choke that stuff back before I cry. I don't know what it's like having an urge to kill like he does, but his baseline and spikes from baseline when recounting his past are things that I can easily draw parallels to with my own experiences talking about my past.
@@clockside right? There's the thriving under the rules, the flat affect, very intelligent and introspective, his thing about not being able to talk with people, and like .. learning to get away with murders by watching tv is a very unsettling parallel to learning to mask by watching people
@@chrissieshulaa3676 Right there with you on the spectrum, and vids like this always just reinforce to me not to let anything my folks did to me influence myself to this extent. Therapy helped me keep in perspective how just one choice can alter your entire life's trajectory, you know?
Awesome!!!!! I think I asked you awhile back if you would look into Ed Kemper. I'm glad you found him !!!! I've always been fascinated with him as well. Great video 👍👍
“She judged me not to be that guy. I didn’t look like him”. Around the 28 1/2 minute mark, as he said those two sentences, his expression seemed to look a little proud of himself for successfully deceiving this person. It was very nuanced, but the shape of his mouth changed subtly and there seemed to be a reflection of emotion in his eyes as he spoke about it.
What’s crazy is the sheer amount of serial killers that were active at this time, in this area. I’m from Santa Cruz area and my own family had been victimized by a serial murderer in the early 80s, but it wasn’t til recently with DNA that the killer was even known of.
Ed Kemper, he is my favourite study and my (autistic brain) favourite hyperfixation as far as serial killers. Logan, you are the first person I've come across as, well, fascinated by Kemper as myself. I wish we could sit down and just talk about him for hours lol i think his storybook style may have developed while doing the blind project, doing the audio recording for audio books back then. I also wish I could visit him and just talk to him. It's a bucket list item that'll never be checked off. Edits are additional comments as the video plays, sorry
Logan , This was an incredible video.... I agree with your take on Kemper.... there is an enormous amount to unpack with his psychology . One video would be just a page in his life among thousands . Now I had not actually heard of Ed Kemper before 2017.... when a Netflix series started titled : MINDHUNTER . The series is based mostly on the Investigating detective John Douglas character name in series is Holden Ford's point of view and the people he comes in contact with.... serial killers and not . I would highly suggest watching MINDHUNTER aside from Kemper it also hits on The Atlanta Child Murderer , Charles Manson , and David Berkowitz to name a few . I am not sure if you are familiar with famous directors but director David Fincher of the movies "Fight Club" with Brad Pitt and Edward Norton , "Gone Girl" with Ben Afleck , and "Panic Room" with Jodie Foster is one of the main directors in the series MINDHUNTERS . It is a very short series with only two seasons under it's belt since 2017.... I have been trying with some others to make some noise for this series to be picked up again . Netflix agreed they would love to keep the seasons going but the whole cast was let out of their contracts for the series. It was quoted that David Fincher said the series "would be to expensive to keep filming".... with titles like Fight Club , Panic Room and more under his direction I just find that a somewhat small Netflix series would hardly be costly to such a well established director . Sorry about the rant of MINDHUNTER.... just bringing up Kemper got me thinking about it again. It really is a thought provoking series . Thank you for the time you spent on this... you brought a lot to the table with this and I appreciate it .
He has always been fascinating to me especially because I studied psychology and studied serial killers in particular because it amazes me how the human mind works with these types. Awesome video as always! 😊 Please do more serial killers in the future, it's some fascinating ones out there but Kemper is on a different level honestly!
I feel like Kemper certainly felt superior to everyone else. His recount of his interaction on the stairs with the young couple is fascinating. To me it shows that he also believes to be "outside" of the rest of the world. Its a shame that you're not able to speak with him personally.
It's a defense mechanism carried over from childhood for people who grew up in neglect. They see being alone as a sign that they're special because if you confront the reality of being abandoned as a child your brain would break. But then when you're an adult it becomes a problem.
Really enjoyed this one! Kemper truly is fascinating. As for something to cover in the future, I would really be interested in your take on Darlie Routier.
I just noticed you "What Every Body is Saying" book in the background! Fun fact, Joe Navarro is a family friend of ours. and he worked closely with my stepfather before he passed away. I got copies of all of his books for Christmas and my birthday for a while lol, and more friends of ours were models for his pictures inside the books
The hidden and unspoken childhood memory that linked to him cutting off ladies heads outside his house was in your introduction. He cut off the head of a cat and put it on a stick in his garden. Both women also had their heads cut off outside his house, just like with the cat. He was reliving that joy but blamed it on the chicken slaughter, which may have triggered the cat incident, the first enjoyable thing he did. Maybe.
Santa cruz native here! I didn't know about kemper til I took a criminal behavior class in college and he's fascinated me ever since. 2 weird coincidences.....I used to live a street over from the house he killed his mother in which I didn't find out til after I moved, the apartment is still owned and rented out by my family. AND a few years ago I found out my longtime dentist is married to the sheriff/head investigator that made the arrest of kemper.
I grew up in eastern Montana (Glendive.) I had NO clue he ever lived in MT. I love the idea of backstories on the killers, gives the viewer more of the whole picture.
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Hope your hand is feeling better. 😁 This one was fascinating. Tyvm.
what happened to “hey idiotes”? :(
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People say that Ted Bundy was charming but I could never see it. I personally think that Edmund Kemper had more charm and he gives you the impression of safety. Which is even more fascinating and terrifying.
Different charms for different people. Bundy had more of a seductive charm towards some women while Kemper had more of a friendly guy kind of charm.
@@Mili-bedili you’re not wrong. But I don’t get it mainly because Bundy had a penchant towards rambling on and on about himself like he had big time main character syndrome and he just felt off, I watched a lot of stuff on him and the way he interacted was very weird for the context the discussion took place in. If Kemper didn’t have such a chip on his shoulder about women and didn’t think he was incapable romantically, I think he could have been much worse tbh because he seems normal and intelligent and pretty good at fooling people.
I really like Ed Kemper, never thought he was bad looking (Ted Bundy isn't even attractive cmon). I think he's charm is to do with the fact he looks shy but also being so intelligent
The way Edmund Kemper reflects seems to be the same way I do. It's that feeling of "ah I can relate to him" which I don't normally get from other interviews with killers.
it's obvious to me- ted bundy was the charming serial killer and ed kemper was more of the intelligent one, almost like a psychologist trying to understand his patient and the emotional detachment definitely amplified that feeling...
Ed is extremely fascinating. He's so intelligent and it makes me wonder how far he could've gone in life if he hadn't been a serial killer. He discusses things so nonchalantly and talks about killing like he's talking about just another Saturday. He knows how to speak and appear to be "normal".
If he was “ intelligent “ he would actually help society wtf is wrong with you.
If you mess with Ed you be dead !!
I have thought the same thing for years.
I think he is unique largely because he studied psychology from a young age (due to treatment after the murder of his grandparents) and still had the rage/abuse/genetic cocktail of factors that lead to serial murder as a coping mechanism. Studying psychology lead to a lot of insight which is rare in serial killers.
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Wouldn't him studying psychology make it make more sense tho?
(i know nothing of the story yet. gonna watch right now.)
Studying psychology is a way to LEARN how behave "normal."
We also need to stop with excusing any and all "disabilities" when it comes to crime.
By a tender age, we KNOW right from wrong. taught or not.
He’s interesting because he’s basically as honest as I’ve seen a serial killer be, but he really wants the recognition. It’s why he turned himself in. If you get the opportunity, listen to the initial FBI interviews when they were first profiling. They’re horrific but SUPER fascinating.
I also think he turned himself in so that he could say he "was never caught" he knew eventually someone would find out why his mother and her friend disappeared and he knew he'd be a number one suspect and eventually would have been caught, do I think he turned himself in once he realised they weren't already chasing him, it's all about power and appearing better, stronger and smarter than anyone else.
He speaks like he’s writing his own biography or movie script. I think that’s why it sounds so methodical and he gives background details. IMO it’s all planned and he’s lying about any randomness of it. He always wanted to be infamous
he was smart enough to continue killing but it seemed to stop once he killed his mother...he has mommy issues big time.. but oddly enough he is empathetic about his mom's suffering despite her being so cruel to him...he is definitely an odd killer
@@kimmyfreak200 Is there proof his mom abused him? He also killed his grandparents just because.
Dahmer was also extremely honest and took responsibility. He didn't make excuses which was unusual. He spoke about his compulsion so honestly it is frightening.
He & Jeffrey Dahmer are two examples of why you shouldn’t assume a person who has a calm, intelligent personality wouldn’t take your life.
The art of deception, is how ninjas kill
The quiet ones are often the most dangerous.
Well the rule for Ed was not to initiate bullying and have ir make you feel like nothing. His mothers abuse was soo unecessary and theres only so many times you can poke a dog.
You should assume nearly everyone wouldn't take your life. How would you function daily, otherwise?
@@ericlarousse1149 I do assume that. My point was more toward how it can be easier to trust a person with a calm and seemingly sweet demeanor with really no basis for that trust outside how they present their self. Don’t expect everyone to kill you-but also don’t assume when you meet a person who seems as normal as can be that that means that person wouldn’t kill you. Dahmer & Kemper weren’t ambush killers. They knew how to act to gain people’s trust before they killed them. I think these interviews are a reminder to not trust your safety with someone you don’t truly know regardless of how trustworthy they seem.
Edmund Kemper is one of the best examples of nature vs nurture in serial killers, really glad you covered this
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In his case it was both nature and nurture, genetics and environment
A lot of it is nature I despised his whining about his mom. Millions of women across the world are seriously abused by their fathers, often times s*xuaIIy and none of them turn out to be Kempers. But people make fun of them for having "daddy issues". Meanwhile some people, hopefully none here, genuinely believe this freak was driven to murder by someone else.
@@Maialeen Either you are biased or you are emotionally manipulating people for your agenda. First of all, some of them turn to murder. Second of all why would you mention the ten people thgat make fun of them. It has nothing to do with the case. You make me mad.
@@Maialeen I think EVERYONE who is abused deserves empathy. We can judge people for their actions, in Kemper's case his murders, but still empathize with them for their troubled life. Nothing is absolute.
26:30 - I imagine he stumbled over "that first two murders" because those weren't his first two murders. He had already gone to prison for his actual first two murders (his grandparents), so referring to these as his first two, although makes sense in context, is still incongruous.
I sort of had that thought too.
thank you saying what I was about to text.
I'm glad to see others noticed that, as well.
I was thinking he was going to say "that first murder" but added first two to be more impressive maybe?
This is what I had written as well, glad I caught this so it's more likely Logan will see it.
I don't think he considers them in the same grouping because they are classified much differently.
I don't know... But the headshake around "Something from my childhood" and the nervous laughter around the chicken story. It seems like Kemper GENUINELY doesn't know why he is the way he is. And for a guy who wants to appear intelligent and in control at all times, I can see why that would be really troubling. For once, there's a part of his story that he doesn't have an answer for, so he tries to minimalize it with a verbal shrug and a bit of black humor. It might be a misdirection, but I'm hesitant to say he's lying here.
I would agree with this take.
Yeah exactly! Agreed
I think you're onto something. This theory would be backed by his explanation that maby the chicken had something to do with it, but it's not that simple, there's more to it.
Ed Kemper gave us a lot of the information we have now on criminal psychology. He’s definitely a fascinating person along with Ted Bundy. He gave us a lot of the information we have too!
I think Ted is overrated.. Ed and Jeffrey Dahmer are the most fascinating imo
@@Kristaaalexis same
I have felt for a while that it was his way of expressing remorse. Like he wanted police to have a better insight into the mind of serial killers in an effort to catch people like him earlier or be able to recognize the signs early on and stop them before things got out of hand. But I could be completely off base.
@@Kristaaalexis did you read his interview book and listen to the tapes? I think he’s insane!!
@@Kristaaalexis two killers you'll probably also find interesting are Jack Unterwager (continental Europe and LA) and Dennis Neilson (UK)
My great aunt met Ed Kemper while working as a prison chaplain in California Medical Facility!!!! For some reason her college let her do that for her internship????? But she didn’t recognize him cuz we’re from Michigan and he asked her if she knew him and she said no. She said he looked shocked and offended and told her “I killed a bunch of coeds in the 70’s” and my aunt replied like a smart ass saying “sure you did” lol she found out later who he was. She also met Charles Manson!! They were in the prison at the same time at one point. Charles somehow manipulated his way into being a chaplain at the prison too. He would be uncuffed preaching in the same room as my great aunt and one time he got all up in her face while she was preaching. Scared the shit out of her because he wasn’t restrained at all. She said she saw evil in his eyes and was scared he’d kill her right there. She was a pretty young college student in a chaplain uniform…target for creepy prisoners.
@@elci609 she graduated college in 1980, Charles and Ed were at CMF together from 1976-1984 until Charles was transferred. She would’ve been there sometime between 1976 and 1980. Ed would’ve been 28-32 years old, Charles would’ve been 42-46 years old.
your aunty obviously loved living on the edge..a lot of us do
@@tiggercampbell6198 she really has the coolest life! I forgot when because I wasn’t born yet, but when she was young she actually died in a car accident, like pronounced dead, but was brought back to life! She swears she felt the presence of something and it made her believe in God, so she studied theology and psychology. Now she runs a hippie church in Northern California with her husband! They used to live on a Navajo reservation and helped build a school and a church and improve the reservation conditions. Before that she worked in a women’s prison and counseled addicted women and helped them get custody of their kids when they were released. I could keep going on but I’ll stop lmao. I fucking love her.
@@iiccyyy wow, what an amazing person. Thanks for sharing some of her stories!
if that's true your great aunt is a freaking savage
As someone who grew up with bad parents, especially my mom, and their failed marriage weighing on me a lot, I can confirm I didn't become a murderer.
I got severe depression, anxiety, PTSD and 2 eating disorders.
But I would cry if I accidentally stepped on a snail. So idk, I don't think having a terrible mom makes you murder people.
Because of his size, Kemper's mom thought he was going to rape his sister. She locked him up in his basement room. And, yes, his mom made that thought totally clear to him. I'm not defending him, but think of how you would feel hearing this from your mom.
No one ever said bad parenting automatically makes one a murder. There are many factors. Childhood trauma is only one of them.
Different terrible moms are terrible in different ways and their children are all individuals who react in different ways. One psychologist said it's more ususal for men to blame others and attack others than it is for women, who instead blame themselves and punish themselves. I'm not defending Kemper at all. He did have a choice. He knew it was cruel and wrong and he knew he didn't have to hurt people like that.
As someone who also grew up with abuse: there's a lot of different factors that make the difference in how someone turns out. The innate disposition of the child is one thing, relative isolation from functional people and role models is another, also the type of abuse endured. At the same time, I think Ed latched onto the "blame it on mom" thing in part because it was something that was accepted by psychology at the time and because people responded to it. He may not understand it as well as he thinks he does.
Same.
It’s interesting how he displays when he says it was “eating” him & also said “she was hungry” when listing the reasons he hated his mother.
She ate any self esteem that he might have had as a child....
This one will be super interesting! So many people said they don't get any bad vibes from him even after he admitted to killing people.
Same with BTK. Just look at their eyes. There's nothing there. Like they don't have souls. They're just empty
I don’t feel anything when I look in his eyes because there is none.
Many people have no ability to see beyond the obvious
@@dwoodstwin I mean the entire point was that it isn't obvious. People are really good at hiding who they are deep down.
@@michellementh9651 but didn't btk care about his family or daughter? I heard he treated them really well but can't say for sure as I don't know a lot about him.
I find his choice in making 1/3 of his victims to be his family quite interesting.
He states why he killed his mother, and her friend. We understand why he killed his grandparents. It almost makes me feel like he knew from a young age he would end up killing, so he killed off those who could tell the truth of his life story. I think he didn’t go after his father or siblings because he knew they would not say anything for public consumption.
This interview so far just feels like he’s creating the narrative of his life story in his perfect image, has crafted his words/composure very carefully. To me, his ultimate goal was to immortalize himself, and prove that he is the ultimate manipulator- treating life like it’s one big game of chess.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see a normal person… all I see is a master manipulator, and he doesn’t sit right in my spirit.
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I think you’re spot on! So many people seem to be fooled by his “remorse” - which appears shallow and fake to me - or the fact that he’s said that he only speaks about the murders to prevent others from doing the same; I don’t believe that for a minute. He was pissed off people *still* weren’t paying attention to him, knew he would get caught after killing his mother, and so turned himself in to maintain control of the narrative. Every subsequent interview has been to further that goal, as well as give him the satisfaction of pulling the wool over more people’s eyes.
@@feefoofuu hah, don’t worry about it! It’s nice to see other people can see through him: I think he’s got away with so much, because he’s so good at crafting his own image. And I hate that that probably gives him more satisfaction than anything else. Most murderers manage to make themselves front and centre in the narrative - at least for a time - but we usually see through their actions. Ed has been subtle enough that it’s not always detected… to the extent that people *give him credit* for being honest and helpful. It pisses me off because he’s still talking about _himself_ above all, depersonalising the victims, and not even saying their names. He’s just a better actor than a lot of the other serial killers; or that’s the only difference that I see, anyway.
Why would it be "just you"? Literally who of sound mind would see a normal person after what he did. He's an obvious abomination and should have never existed.
*Ed talk😂
@@feefoofuu that’s exactly it, though: what people seem to forget constantly is that he murdered his grandparents at _fifteen_, was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia (because practically everyone was in those days), and received extensive therapy in prison. Sociopaths benefit from therapy… but it’s not because it makes them a better person, it’s because they become more sophisticated manipulators, and therefore better able to game the system.
Ed is doing basically the same thing horoscopes do: appealing to the masses by saying something that sounds specific, but is in fact vague and widely encompassing. It’s exactly as you said: he’s playing at vulnerability by being all “omg why did I tell you that uWu”, as if that’s some sort of expositor of deep vulnerability, when in fact it’s weaponising the *idea* of vulnerability. And he still somehow manages to be patronising about it! Which is further proof, imo, that he can’t help his narcissism leaking out occasionally; he has to be in control somehow. He’s careful about it, but he still shows the narcissistic hallmark of nothing ever being his fault. Honestly I think you’ve got him down to a t.
There’s a certain intrigue that pulls me towards Ed Kemper. As a neurodivergent individual who has been in and out of hospitals and psych wards, I understand completely why he can live an extremely “ordinary” life within prison, the routine and lack of triggers within a controlled environment can be ideal for neurodivergent people.
I was thinking the same!
This is what I was thinking too. The consistency and predictability could help him stabilize. In the same way, I think he is able to just switch off his emotions to a degree (like turning down the volume) due to practice and that's how he's able to keep a calm even tone... it's basically how he had to exist to survive in this world.
I wonder if the killing was, in part, a compulsion and part of him turning himself in was taking control back when he felt himself starting to lose it. He feels like he's kntelligent and driven, to a degree, by logic, so self-control would be important to him. I've seen others who see themselves as smart/logical do similar things with their addictions, so it's not far-fetched.
I imagine only with maximum security, otherwise if he was placed with most prisoners he probably would have been triggered quite a lot.
He can lull people into thinking that he is a regular Joe. He comes across as someone that you could have as a fishing buddy. You always have to keep your guard up with him. It's a shame because he would be a very interesting friend to have around.
Female brain. Just stop sending love letters to murderers
You are correct that unfortunately there are some members of LE who did not get into that field for altruistic reasons. I know a guy who was violent as a teenager, once put a knife to a friend's throat and told her that he wanted a job where he could "kill people legally." He went into the military, then became a police officer. I fully expect to see him in the news someday - unless he doesn't get caught. 😕
I recently heard about a case from Australia and it would be extremely interesting to hear your thoughts. Gable Tostee and the woman who fell off his 13th floor apartment balcony, Warriena Wright. Love your vids!
YES!!! Gable Tostee please!
now known as eric thomas.
He tends to comment on videos that analyze him too, which is pretty amusing.
@@Ichneumonxx Oh wow...I mean, I shouldn't be surprised. That definitely sounds like something he would do.
Gable Tostee is a cold cold fish, he'd be fascinating to see an analysis on!
I REALLY miss the "hey there idiotes" intro! I really got a kick out of it every time, and now the chances of someone calling me that again are basically non existent. Let's face it, there's a reason why we need idiotes in the first place! Was really looking forward to this episode! Very very interesting!
There‘s actually an interview that‘s over an hour long of Kemper. This is also not as heavily edited as this one. It‘s fascinating and might make it easier to analyze his body language.
Honestly I find this all eerily relatable. The lack of self defense, the apathetic/intellectual perspective, the desire to communicate something others never seem to fully understand. Even the excitement as he explained how he could blend in, I get some satisfaction when people think I'm genuinely laughing. I have both bipolar and depression in addition to social anxiety so I've always been self conscious of how I present the emotions appropriate to the moment. Finding ways to communicate was not as difficult for me because I was always a passionate story teller and my mom was very supportive of my pursuit in art.
You wear your mask well, then.
The actor who played Ed Kemper in Mindhunter was fantastic.
Very excited about this one. Kemper is the only serial killer I find to be somewhat interesting/compelling personally.
I have a distant reltive who was killed by this man. I only learned it after I had mentioned it while watching mind hunter and asking if that one character was Kemper. I knew we had a relative killed by a serial killer but I had no idea it was Kemper.
@@BengtBagelstorture is just especially horrendous.....Ugh. I'm so sorry.
Please do BTk when he discusses his crimes in court. He’s so matter of fact.
Just call him Dennis Rader. That's his fcking name. BTK is a nickname he made up for HIMSELF because he wanted to sound cool. He was literally desperate for people to think he's a scary mastermind. Fcking DENNIS
One of my favorite lines in his interviews we heard here: “…I had just had this horrible experience killing her friend…”
He says this with no irony.
He really sees himself as a victim in his murdering someone. 🤦♂️🤔✌️…
Also, he is totally full of it about why he was keeping the heads.
He kept the heads to sexually assault them, period…
Also, his demonizing of his mother as the cause of his murdering is seen through here by Logan.
Kemper would happily lead you to think that having an annoying mother would have to lead one to murder,
While myself and many others with quite annoying mothers are proof that that’s not the case…
Definitely a narcissistic trait.
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@Mickey Holmes OK heh 😀I’ll change it in my comment ✌️
Damaged parental relationships are correlation but not causation.
@@hannahreynolds7611 Well. I'm not a serial killer, but I wouldn't have wanted to talk about that either.
The reason he had difficulty with saying the phrase "the first two murders" might be a simple as the fact that he also killed his grandparents.
Great video, but man did I have to pause it a lot to get through the heavy topic. This guy really spares nothing. I know it's futile to expect empathy from a psychopath, but it's really callous that he just talks about people's loved ones as just like. A bad interview or something mundane.
@@BengtBagels - oh I know what he did. A podcast I listen to covered his story in more detail. I just find the whole story unpleasant and need to take it in doses.
That would imply he has a conscience, which he does not. He's a sociopath, but his high intelligence allows him to analyze behavior, and use it to manipulate people. That's what he WANTED people to believe, that he is a normal person.
@@BengtBagels did that Netflix show happen to be Mindhunter? I came to the comments to see if anyone rememberd the show having him in it. It was quite disturbing.
Nice! This will be a good one. Thanks Logan. :)
Ed has to be one of the most interesting, yet horrific killers in True Crime; the actor who played him in Mindhunter was uncanny!👏
Right! I walked into the room while my bf's parents were watching that episode, and immediately knew it was Ed
He got him spot on! He even said later he had to go to therapy because he had bad thoughts about his own mother by trying to get into character.
He was incredible. And his communication style is so fascinating. He is so smart and he knows so much about things like psychology that the things he says makes sense.
@@michellementh9651 wow 🤯 that’s so sad and scary. I hope he got the help he needed.
When he says “something out of my childhood”, I think you missed his blocking gesture. He closed his eyes for a prolonged time.
As someone who feels like a ghost 98% of the time I feel sooo heard! I can’t wait to watch this when I have time to sit back and relax! Thank you!
I can tell this case you are very interested in. I am too. It's nice to see someone who is good at their job in the zone. You sir are in the zone. Breaking down E.K.. I still love the other episodes but this one is amazing. I love it!
It's been a couple of weeks, welcome back! Megan's video today was lovely, as they always are.glad to see you two back and hope the move is going well
Watching Kemper is just engrossing... his intellect, directness, & resentment. Yes, he's manipulative, yes he blames his mother, but he's just captivating as a serial killer for "different" reasons. For example, watching Ted Bundy is much different than watching Kemper; how the two serial killers are somewhat diametrically opposed in their speech, & how they presented themselves for interviews. Bundy NEVER admitted to killing anyone.
Bundy did actually admit the murderers in his last interview (16 hours before the electric chair).
Could you imagine this 6'9 dude coming at you with the intent to kill you? crazy that he got out of lock up for murdering his grandparents to go on to murder all those ppl.
I honestly can say I can’t imagine that.
@@juliemiller6966 That's prob a good think lol
I feel so sorry for people who turn out like this. Thinking of them as children displaying these disturbing tendencies breaks my heart.
You should look up Kayla Bourque. My criminology professor actual had her in one of his classes, and she was only arrested because she decided to tell one of her classmates about her fantasies, and took the criminology class so she "wouldn't be caught" (BTK anyone?)
I wonder how an actor’s interpretation of Kemper would match up… I was so impressed by his character’s portrayal on Mindhunter, a series about the origins of serial kller profiling (starring Jonathan Groff!).
Love the editing glow-up btw!
You wonder how an actor's interpretation would match up while talking about the time an actor interpreted him beat for beat.
See Mindhunters - someone plays a disturbingly accurate Kemper in that
Britton was brilliant as Kemper. He had the cadence of his speech nailed & the calmness. It was fascinating to watch the actor just as much as Kemper himself.
Weren't his grandparents first two victims?
@@carolinesc3615 Groff played the main character, Holden Ford (and was still brilliant), but Kemper was played by Cameron Britton. Hope you don’t mind the correction, I just think he did such a great job he deserves the credit. He hasn’t even acted in that many projects before Mindhunter, but he was eerily accurate.
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this one! Kemper is one of the most fascinating serial killers imo
Ed Kemper didn't just have "above average intelligence". His IQ score was 145, which is higher than 99.865% of the general population (~1/1000) and is considered highly gifted. For reference, the average IQ of university students is 110-115. The average score for PhD's is 130. The average IQ of self-made billionaires is 133. His score is also considerably higher than the average of academic teachers in any subject measured. 145 is not necessarily the score of a certified genius, but he most certainly had the potential to become anything he would've wanted. It's a shame his desires were so twisted.
But, then again, IQ scores are overrated. They measure specific aspects of logic and problem solving ability, but a high score does not immediately mean someone is "smart" or capable of achieving greatness in any intellectual capacity. IQ scores can only be somewhat useful measures of potential in specific academic fields, especially in mathematics. I have a lot of friends with exceptional IQ scores, but whom have chosen to live very meager lives away from society. Many of them make very stupid life choices and some of them have absolutely no interest in self-edification or in contributing anything to positive to society.
This is a great point. Also, IQ scores don't take into account nuances like test related anxiety 😬
amazing editing on this one, and the background story before the analysis was thorough and really appreciated as well!!!
in other news...... I ABSOLUTELY ADORE MINDHUNTERS IT'S SO AMAZING THAT ED WAS THE ONE TO HELP OUT
I hope you don't mean amazing in a positive way... He felt superior to the investigators, that's probably the only reason he helped them. He was smarter and he enjoyed being acknowledged as such.
Thank you so much! I actually been waiting for this one. Kemper is so fascinating but also a master of manipulation. His ability to articulate comes, I believe, from the 6 years he spent with psychologist and psychiatrist (just imagine the information he got to put his hands on, and that he actually used to prepare himself for further evaluations), and, also the long process of introspection (he didn't have social interaction, so he spent time with himself, reflecting and applying what he learned on his own story and background. That's why he has the answers and "enlightened explanations" for what happened to him, so that, what he did after, comes as an "expected result" for him.
Also, I have to say this, that line "something out of my childhood", changing the intonation, called my attention, it's the only moment when he uses that soft tone and makes him sound like a "victim", who sees that kind of actions as normal within his family, like "nothing important".
I loved every bit of this vid and hope there's more to come. Great work 👏👏👏
Had been waiting for this one and it was even more interesting than expected! Kemper has such a jaw dropping ability to come across as benign, it's both fascinating and terrifying
I think Ed prided himself on his intelligence and ability to intellectualize his behaviors and the behavior of others. He's thought through this, rehearsed his speeches (probably talked to himself like he was being interviewed), analyzed his motivations. It gives him this independent observer "thing". Also neatly let's people not really see his rage, disgust, fear, condescension/smugness, perversion, and his want to be perceived as extraordinary by others. If he analyzes himself first he has the control of the narrative. If he turns himself in, then he isn't bested and it was "his choice" to stop. He had the control. Anything that hints at compromising his control give a glint of the stuff underneath. He has neat answers but I think he hides the simplicity of some of his urges and motivations. He killed them first, so he could maintain the control and be free from judgement/disgust/etc. of his victims. I think he knows there is a timer on how well he can play the part... especially with women. He prided himself at getting good at playing the part as someone who was probably immediately identified as "odd" in his young life. He knows his interactions have a limit and he will have to do something eventually or he will be rejected, so he controls it before he can be rejected first.
I also think at the end of the day, he may be ashamed that no matter his intelligence or work he had done himself... He was "exactly what his mother thought he was". "Wrong", "disturbed", "disgusting", not worthy of affection... Her rejection and disgust was a core wound. And despite the positive feedback he received when institutionalized for his intelligence and behavior, nothing he did would win her approval, affection, love, or convince her he was good. And in the end, he did exactly the horrible things she thought he would. He never "rose above". No amount of masking or intellectualization kept him from proving his mom right. In the end his mom "was right" about him. No matter how he intellectualized his trauma he could never get past wanting her approval, and he ultimately could never prove her wrong. He lost. And all the rest of this is a salve he rubs on to soothe that loss. He emphasized that "He looked so normal" to everyone....but his mom... She never thought he was normal.
Outstanding comment!
And the person making this video has the nerve to say he doesn’t necessarily believe bad parents can create this sort of person. I truly beg to differ. Lol
@@Babbie.d not all people with bad parents become these people... But these people rarely have good parents.
YESSSS!! Idk if, by some grace of the universe, you saw my suggestion or if others have been pestering you about it, but I've been looking forward to this one since finding your channel last year. THANK YOU, LOGAN! (and Megan, too, bc those dating breakdowns are just... *Chef's kiss*)
Megan's amazing :)
I've been very, very excited for this one. I've also always found Kemper very interesting. Very much looking forward to your thoughts on him and this interview!
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Good early morning sir. Hope you have a lovely day. Thanks for giving me something to watch whilst I can't sleep 😩
I’ve learned about 100s of serial killers and murderers just from fascination with true crime and I can tell you, he is the biggest enigma of them all. He is so incredibly fascinating. Sometimes his story even made me laugh in disbelief. Him getting out at 21 after killing his own grandparents is insane to me. Him purposely building a repore with the police on the co-ed cases and infiltrating was clever on his end but I can’t believe it really worked in his favor for as long as it did.
And when he confessed to the murders at a payphone and they laughed and hung up on him?? And he had to CALL AGAIN?? That was almost comical. Just so crazy. Again, his serial killer arch is like no other.
I think it's "building rapport" 🙂
@@jacquelineess1141 oh geez youre right. Thank you!
@@YaNeighbor 😍😘
I found him amusing when he was asked what good he had ever done for the world and straight away without a pause he said "stopped women hitchhiking " . .he is very interesting to watch. I hope that more of the interviews are released sometime.
Please do more parts to this! I'd love to see you delve deeper into Kemper and his psychology!!
Great video! Ed Kemper is such a complex character and listening to your thoughts on him is really interesting. I'd love to see more videos on this topic and as a special request, please do one about David Berkowitz, he's not as fascinating as Kemper, but he changed his story a few times and it'd be most interesing if could analiced any of his interviews
You should have reacted to the second part of the video where he actually starts crying. I‘d love to hear if it was genuine or not.
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Wow where can I see the full interview?
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He has some pretty significant spikes when he talks about killing his mother later in the same interview. Are you planning a 2nd part because I’d love to know your thoughts. There’s also an interesting moment when he lifts his chin and does that throat display you’ve mentioned while describing his actions after one of the murders. Would love to hear your take on that too.
The way you cover this has me fascinated! I think it's the only way It did not make me feel sick and angry! Thank you for covering this so well!!!!!!!
Such a bomb video, I love the background segment in the beginning. Logan, you should have your own TV show! I’d love to see a video on the ‘hostage professional’ from the Cassie Carli case
This is one of your better videos. Love the straight-up analysis visibly fueled by your fascination with the subject and the science. No gossip, no soapboxing. Thank you!
Yayyyy we got the Ed Kemper video!!! Hope your hand is better!
I wish youtubers would warn us when animal cruelty is going to be discussed. I know murder of human beings is horrific but a lot of us can’t stomach hearing about animals being hurt or killed.
This one will need a part #2 ...maybe even a #3 . Tysm for your work. 👊
Honestly I’m a little disappointed I didn’t get called an idiote today lol. Still looking forward to this analysis though!
As much as I appreciate how much fun you guys have when you do the episodes on reality tv shows and ghost hunters, videos like this are like gold to me. This is exactly why I subscribed to your channel. Please make more of this kind of content 🙏🏼
I definitely agree
I remember watching an interview where he said "no offense to Montana but I didn't like it"
On behalf of Montanans I'd like to say: we aren't offended 😆
Good to see you again, thank you for this video. What a fascinating character, I’d like another analysis of him.
was he medicated for his schizophrenia at the time of this interview? to my understanding, one symptom of schizophrenia is a "flat affect" - diminished (or maybe atypical) emotional expression, even during conversation. I wonder if that could be contributing to the desynchronizations you pointed out
That is a great question. It would certainly explain some of his behaviour.
Can you do a video on Phil Spector (not sure if that’s the right spelling). The music industry guy. Specifically the video he release himself to try and clear his name and prove his innocence.
This video was interesting!! Loved it.
Ecstatic over this video thank you so much! The intro alone was so well done. My fave serial killer lol
I love these true crime analysis vidros
Funny because he actually narrates audio books now which suits him perfectly well because he's a natural when it comes to that skill.
In the show Mind Hunter (Netflix), Ed Kemper is a frequently reoccurring character. The actor the cast as him did an excellent job
I have been waiting for this like my life depended on it. I checked so many times today. Yay!
Once you've heard the grotesque details about what exactly he did to his mother (on top of all the other horrible things he did), any interview you watch with him becomes 100% more unnerving.
Fascinating! Thank you for this. I saw a comment about him being more charming than Bundy, I don't think I'd describe him as charming - but I do think I would have found him interesting and trustworthy - he is the scariest serial killer to me for this reason.
I mean, he comes off to me as a standard abused neurodivergent person whose trauma & upbringing took him down an awful path. His behavior in prison makes sense to me - a structured environment with a clearly laid out system of rules and social structure, and no women - the main source of his trauma. Makes sense especially with how introspective he comes off (which you know is common in many neurodivergencies), it makes sense to me that he "settled in" the way he has tbh.
Rightttttt! I thought it was just me, like he definitely has quite the mental cocktail going on. But you hit it right on the head. The whole idea of "different realities" and being so aware of how you present to others. The overthinking.... I think he has been aware of exactly what he was doing for a WHILEE! Think about it, he is smart as shit and it really doesn't take rocket science. I'd say he started putting the pieces together as a teenager, 13-14ish. And had it all figured out by 25ish maybe a little earlier. Nonetheless Ed Kemper is really fascinating. If it weren't for Ed, imagine how the police (etc...) would be able to handle their work load?
Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking too. I'm autistic and like... I never like to think about that stereotype but I really do think he might have been on the spectrum
This makes a lot of sense to me too. As an autistic person with CPTSD, I have frequently talked about the facts of my trauma while seeming unaffected by it. It's because I have had to cope with trauma by detaching from it, distancing myself emotionally. It makes people uncomfortable though, and sometimes I'll laugh after something particularly difficult for them because their discomfort is really unsettling for me, and if they're starting to take my words too seriously/too much to heart, sometimes a small laugh will shake them out of it kinda.
But if I start talking about the effects those traumas had on me, then I very easily get overwhelmed by the emotions from my trauma, and I'll suddenly be very emotionally and have a hard time composing myself. So I have to choke that stuff back before I cry.
I don't know what it's like having an urge to kill like he does, but his baseline and spikes from baseline when recounting his past are things that I can easily draw parallels to with my own experiences talking about my past.
@@clockside right? There's the thriving under the rules, the flat affect, very intelligent and introspective, his thing about not being able to talk with people, and like .. learning to get away with murders by watching tv is a very unsettling parallel to learning to mask by watching people
@@chrissieshulaa3676 Right there with you on the spectrum, and vids like this always just reinforce to me not to let anything my folks did to me influence myself to this extent. Therapy helped me keep in perspective how just one choice can alter your entire life's trajectory, you know?
Awesome!!!!! I think I asked you awhile back if you would look into Ed Kemper. I'm glad you found him !!!! I've always been fascinated with him as well. Great video 👍👍
He is an absolutely fascinating person and would love more of these if possible!! Thanks Logan!! 😊
I am OBSESSED with these videos! Its such a great insight into the minds of these complex criminals!
“She judged me not to be that guy. I didn’t look like him”. Around the 28 1/2 minute mark, as he said those two sentences, his expression seemed to look a little proud of himself for successfully deceiving this person. It was very nuanced, but the shape of his mouth changed subtly and there seemed to be a reflection of emotion in his eyes as he spoke about it.
What’s crazy is the sheer amount of serial killers that were active at this time, in this area. I’m from Santa Cruz area and my own family had been victimized by a serial murderer in the early 80s, but it wasn’t til recently with DNA that the killer was even known of.
I’m from SC too! I’m so sorry. Who was it!
@@starswan John William kelley
Ed Kemper, he is my favourite study and my (autistic brain) favourite hyperfixation as far as serial killers.
Logan, you are the first person I've come across as, well, fascinated by Kemper as myself. I wish we could sit down and just talk about him for hours lol
i think his storybook style may have developed while doing the blind project, doing the audio recording for audio books back then.
I also wish I could visit him and just talk to him. It's a bucket list item that'll never be checked off.
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Logan , This was an incredible video.... I agree with your take on Kemper.... there is an enormous amount to unpack with his psychology . One video would be just a page in his life among thousands . Now I had not actually heard of Ed Kemper before 2017.... when a Netflix series started titled : MINDHUNTER . The series is based mostly on the Investigating detective John Douglas character name in series is Holden Ford's point of view and the people he comes in contact with.... serial killers and not .
I would highly suggest watching MINDHUNTER aside from Kemper it also hits on The Atlanta Child Murderer , Charles Manson , and David Berkowitz to name a few . I am not sure if you are familiar with famous directors but director David Fincher of the movies "Fight Club" with Brad Pitt and Edward Norton , "Gone Girl" with Ben Afleck , and "Panic Room" with Jodie Foster is one of the main directors in the series MINDHUNTERS . It is a very short series with only two seasons under it's belt since 2017.... I have been trying with some others to make some noise for this series to be picked up again .
Netflix agreed they would love to keep the seasons going but the whole cast was let out of their contracts for the series. It was quoted that David Fincher said the series "would be to expensive to keep filming".... with titles like Fight Club , Panic Room and more under his direction I just find that a somewhat small Netflix series would hardly be costly to such a well established director . Sorry about the rant of MINDHUNTER.... just bringing up Kemper got me thinking about it again. It really is a thought provoking series . Thank you for the time you spent on this... you brought a lot to the table with this and I appreciate it .
Ed has always blown my mind..
Thank you for your uptake Logan..
Luv ya work greetings from Oz
I've been looking forward to this one! He is so interesting.
Logan. Your lighting and color psychology used in your set are awesome. The balance is so pleasing. Just wanted to say that.
True crime is my favorite thing ever! Please do more true crime!! I love it
He has always been fascinating to me especially because I studied psychology and studied serial killers in particular because it amazes me how the human mind works with these types. Awesome video as always! 😊 Please do more serial killers in the future, it's some fascinating ones out there but Kemper is on a different level honestly!
Omg yes I didn’t even know how much I needed this!
After watching this the actor that played him in that netflix's show did a really good job mimicking him
I feel like Kemper certainly felt superior to everyone else. His recount of his interaction on the stairs with the young couple is fascinating. To me it shows that he also believes to be "outside" of the rest of the world. Its a shame that you're not able to speak with him personally.
It's a defense mechanism carried over from childhood for people who grew up in neglect. They see being alone as a sign that they're special because if you confront the reality of being abandoned as a child your brain would break. But then when you're an adult it becomes a problem.
Yay! Thank you for observing Ed Kemper.
Really enjoyed this one! Kemper truly is fascinating.
As for something to cover in the future, I would really be interested in your take on Darlie Routier.
I have never clicked on a notification so fast!!!!
YES! I’ve been so excited for this, absolutely brilliant as always!
I just noticed you "What Every Body is Saying" book in the background! Fun fact, Joe Navarro is a family friend of ours. and he worked closely with my stepfather before he passed away. I got copies of all of his books for Christmas and my birthday for a while lol, and more friends of ours were models for his pictures inside the books
The hidden and unspoken childhood memory that linked to him cutting off ladies heads outside his house was in your introduction. He cut off the head of a cat and put it on a stick in his garden. Both women also had their heads cut off outside his house, just like with the cat. He was reliving that joy but blamed it on the chicken slaughter, which may have triggered the cat incident, the first enjoyable thing he did. Maybe.
This was great! Really looking forward 2 the next part👍🏻
I'm here for it. I can't count the number of times I have watched these interviews.
Santa cruz native here! I didn't know about kemper til I took a criminal behavior class in college and he's fascinated me ever since. 2 weird coincidences.....I used to live a street over from the house he killed his mother in which I didn't find out til after I moved, the apartment is still owned and rented out by my family. AND a few years ago I found out my longtime dentist is married to the sheriff/head investigator that made the arrest of kemper.
Thank you for this! Ed Kemper has always fascinated me! I appreciate your analysis and input!
Backstory section was edited so well. 👌🏻
I grew up in eastern Montana (Glendive.) I had NO clue he ever lived in MT. I love the idea of backstories on the killers, gives the viewer more of the whole picture.
I really enjoyed this one! Please do more on him.
YESSSSSSS.....i have been requesting a read of ed kemper for about a year... thanks!