Schiit Can't be Beat with the NEW Magni Unity
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You may want to tell your viewers that the Sundara Closed Back's are at their lowest price ever on amazon at $149 (for now).
@@eryxis827 wow!
Magni is the entry drug into Schiit equipment.
Then they threw a DAC in there as an option, stay back kids, this Schiit is real.
I finally took my first real step into hi-fi and bought the Magni Unity (with DAC) for my PC to use as a headphone amp and pre-amp for my old Athena B-1 Speakers and some Monoprice Towers that I've been running off an ebay unpowered pre-amp. (little Bear MC2) I have a Rotel RMB 1048 for juice, and I honestly didn't believe the hype, but there is an instantly audible difference watching shows and listening to even low-quality sources. I am a believer. It was also incredibly easy to install and use. I used your referral link too.
Hi sir i bought magni with internal dac too anyway do i need a rca cable to make it dac work? Or all i need is just a usb C cable only?
@@gamehopper111 USB cable from computer to magni, then it's ready to go for headphones. Attach rca cables from magni to amp and your speakers are ready.
@@eryxis827 so from pc to magni(with internal dac) all i need is just a usb C cable and they will both run(amp and dac) because before i have a magni 2 and modi 2 separate in order to run them both you need to connect a rca cable.
Thanks for all your insight and enthusiasm sharing...your passion for this hobby gets me excited about new "cheaper" audio stuff...😊
How can Schiit do all this at these prices ? Just glad they can. Great take Randy.
I doubt they could if its all they sold. The Magni and Modi probably make hardly any money but they get people into the brand. Happens with a lot of brands KEF's Q150 to the LS50 for example.
Awesome. I was one of the lucky ones to grab an IEMagni before the stopped production of those.
Glad to see the negative gain feature is back in a Schiit product.
Thanks Cheapaudioman. Picked up the unity with DAC for Christmas. Sounds great with my HD569s. I really like this Amp/DAC especially the price and small formfactor! It's a good upgrade from my Fulla E. I got this so I can up my headphone game later this year. Looking at the Edition XS.
Always impressed with Schiit and love that they are in TX. Good American Schiit Hell Yeah!
😂
The pun never gets old. Love it!
Looking forward to this review since I just ordered mine yesterday.
I have a Magni+ Heretic and it is a beautiful thing. I run my HIFIMAN Sundara (open back) and Focal Elegias with no problem.
Great, just-in-time, review. I have been considering the Sundara closed-back because of the price, but now in a dilemma. Do I get the Sundara or Edition XS? Thank you as always for your time and efforts to share your experiences with us all.
I have the Magni Piety and Modi+ with an old pair of Yamaha orthodynamic headphones. Not feeling any reason to upgrade, but I like how Schiit upgraded the toggles. The old style toggles on the back of my Piety for power and gain do feel a little fragile. These new style with the axis point buried in the chassis looks way more durable. Little thing, but I like how Schiit continues to tweak their industrial design for the better (not to cut cost).
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay, new Schiit products ! Dont have any yet but its only a matter of time 🙂 Thanks for the video, Randy
I just bought the Sundara Closed Back last month, I couldn't believe the price when I saw it, and needed to replace my AT m50x. 150 US is just dirt cheap (I believe they were 399 when they first came out) and have to say, classic metal just sounds amazing with them. I was surprised no one mentioned the closed backs dropping in price sooner. They need a decent headphone amp though, but I suffer from "Canadian Tax" and the magni may be too expensive. how do they compare to say the SMSL M300SE? The price difference with usb would be quite a bit more for the Magni, close to 100 extra up here.
Doing a purge of gear is fine, but you really should keep the best items at various price points to compare new gear to.
Do you want fries with that?
Got this to power my Edition XS (in its aluminum glory). I had one scare with a small static shock and the unit wouldn't output. Solved with turning it off and on.
Except for that, I friggin love it. Upgraded from my Fiio E10k and am not looking back
Just ordered the Edition XS to go with the Magni Unity, can't wait.
Just hooked up my new Magni with the built-in DAC option. This is my first foray into headphone amps, and also my first DAC upgrade(?) experience. I loved that my MacBook immediately saw the Magni in the sound options. Started off with some Pink Floyd Meddle, Followed by Rush Farwell to Kings, and now I've got some ACDC For Those About to Rock. The only thing that surprised me was the size. I knew it was not big, but was thinking mass market paperback rather than SONY Walkman. Luving it so far, thanks Randy for all the great reviews.
Great overview of the Magni Unity! I think mine is being delivered tomorrow. It will be my second Schiit box. I like the model designations, philosophy, and the story behind the company. I would rather contribute to their success than foreign or mega company that wants mass sales and profit margin.
Pretty sure I will be upgrading all my stereo components to their products as I can manage it.
How is it?
@@Andy-xn9zn I really like it! I don't have the greatest headphones, Audio Technica m50x, but it is a lot clearer sounding than my ugreen dongle, which is a ton better than the headphone jack on my laptop. I got a Modi+ for my stereo system and I can barely tell a difference between the Unity dac and the Modi. If there is one at all, it's irrelevant, as the video indicates.
The Magni gets super super loud, I use it on the middle setting, turned up no higher than about 12:00 and it's plenty for me. I might pick up another set of more demanding headphones sometime to take better advantage of all the extra power.
I dont have a ton of experience here, but so far so good, Would recommend!
At around 7:40 you referenced the Hifiman Sundara's, and said that the unity would be a 10/10 with those headphones. Were you talking about the open-backed or close-back Sundaras? I own the open back version and my USB DAC/amp broke recently, was wondering if I should pick this up.
Great double header. Ordering a Magni now to drive my Drop HD6XX, Thank you my friend.
considering the drop hd6xx. appreciate your take on the combo
Yes please share your experience
HD6xx is great but be ready to buy replacement cables regularly im on my third cable @@osirismarbles5177
Would love to get your take on the mani2 phono stage Randy. Seems like a big improvement from the original and, naturally, priced ridiculously low. Cheaper than the ifi zen phono. I have the fosi phono tube amp and would be interested to hear your take on if the mani2 would be a significant step up.
Loving my Mani 2, I've only compared it to the built in preamp, but it's miles better than that. The thing sounds like it's echoing far away in a tunnel, but the Mani makes it sooo much better.
Enough that I decided to jump in and order more Schiit.
I've had the Magni+ for about 2 years for my PC (and have absolutely loved it), and I was thinking of just grabbing the Modi when I could afford it. But I think I'll actually pick up a Unity for my PC and move the Magni+ over to my stereo set-up that I use for my turntable and CD player, since my current speaker amp doesn't have a headphone output.
Thanks for what you do, Randy! Am not sure how to submit a general question to you, so am doing it here. Neither my class AB integrated amp nor my Wiim mini streamer have a subwoofer output. How do I get bass management (i.e. low-pass filter's output to a powered subwoofer, and high-pass filter's output to the primary amplifier) and still keep my integrated amp? Would love to replace the Wiim mini with a Wiim Pro Plus (which has a preamp output, but no subwoofer output) or Wiim Amp (which has no preamp output, but has a subwoofer output), but these limitations won't solve the problem. Your input is greatly appreciated. Maybe you'd be willing to make a video on this as I'm far from the only one stuck in this boat? Thanks, and take care!
Can't wait for your thoughts on your new desk!
"$119 magni in 2024 is equivalent to $85 in 2010."
Thank you central banking.
Love the channel but I'm having a hard time finding what fits my needs. Hoping cheap audio man can help. Room is about 26x13 but sideways setup so 13x13 maybe, listen to mostly hip hop, so bass heavy, budget under $2k, would like to be wireless, and we watch movies about 25% of the time, and audiophile music around 10% of the time. So maybe the best 2.1 wireless system?
I use it only as a pre-amp for the power tube amp. Very detailed sound but still giving a nice smooth treble. Details are not as high as Topping L30 II but you can focus more on the midrange because the treble is not super sharp. It also reminds me more of live and speaker sound. I bet you enjoy this more than many other headphone amps. Also it can handle full volume at high gain without going protection mode like some Topping products.
Did you listen with the HiFiman Edition XS as I am looking for an inexpensive headphone amp Dac combo
Have you ever reviewed or used the TEAC A1-101DA DAC/Amp. I was curious as to what you thought if you have? I use one on my desktop setup. What would be a good upgrade from it if you have as well?
They also have a store in CA that you can go to to test their gear and hangout as well as buy things
How does the internal dac on the magni compare to the smsl su1? Love your channel and reviews btw. Bought a fosi bt20a pro and it works perfectly for my use case.
did you see the video?
He said the separate Dac may be a tiny bit better on the edges, but it would not be enough to notice in a blind A/B.
I suspect this is due to the space constraints on the dac card for the magni.
Just stumbled upon your channel and it made me pull back out my Oppo HA-2 for my IEMs. Curious if you have any experience with it and how it would compare to the Magni Unity as a desk DAC/AMP? I know they are very different form factors, but I also have a 3 year old and an other coming in July so IEM while they sleep is ideal.
I bought a magni amp with internal dac. Anyway my question is do i need a snake oil rca cable to make the dac work? Or just a usb C only?
Videos ideas - I need someone to explain why a dedicated amp is superior to a avr with like wattage numbers...I use my zone 2 from an Onkyo avr for two channel...use a wiim pro as a preamp through a schitt modi+....will I get a benefit finding a decent quality amp?
Something that didn't come across in translation is that the gain and negative gain functions impact the RCA outs as well as the headphone jack.
I’m looking for something exactly like this product, also comparing to the SMSL M300SE that you just said was the best budget option of 2023. Is the DAC model of the Magni more bang-for-buck vs the M300SE?
The closed back Sundaras sound great - very clear and dynamic. I've used them with a powerful headphone amp as well as various dongle dac/amps. There's no difference. The Sundaras play easy and very loud.
Curious if you will be reviewing the Schiit Skoll?
I know it will sound as false comment, but I bought the flexispot 7pro with my hard earned money for the black friday and there is no turning back. Having a standing desk offers so much flexibility if you stay a lot of time at your desk. It is stable but expect to have a bit of movement when fully extended and it's mostly normal, if you shake your desk, it will not probably stay still after all.
Back to the magni unity, sadly in their EU store, the price is heavily impacted and goes up from 119$ to 175€ for the amp only and the combo from 189$ to 279€ wich is hard to swallow. :/
Nice video as always.
Yeah the price in EU is not that cheap
How would I use this to listen to vinyl records? I have an RT85 into a Schitt Mani (doesn’t have a headphone jack) and then it’s connected to some powered speakers.
Would I go turntable > phono amp > headphone amp > powered speakers?
And just plug headphones into the headphone amp?
wonder how this would pair with the emotiva gr-1 or the HD6XX
Question , is there a way to turn my mobile phone Motorola to stream high res 24 bit music , I have decent powered speakers Bluetooth capable on a way small budget , I have quobuz , Spotify
Good DAC to stack on the Magni? Thinking of building a stack with one.
I'm a Schiithead with a Heretic amp. I love it and it sounds great.
what dac would you pair with it?
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Is it a safe conclusion that this has enough juice to drive planar magnetic headphones without pegging the volume control, or is the Sundara less thirsty than the others?
Can I use this dac/amp for my inzone Sony gaming headphones?
Fellow Schiit-head here. Just bought a Magni+ about a month ago and love it. I probably should've just splurged for the Unity, because now I'm looking at getting a Modi, But I only use ATH-m40x's. Any thoughts on this, save my money I won't really notice a difference? I listen via PC and maybe only a quarter of my music is FLAC, a quarter is 320k CBR mp3, and half is VBR mp3.
You have a video on the Loki Mini+? Really wish it was a parametric EQ. It wouldn't be hard to do with today's tech. I had an AudioControl 4.1 Parametric EQ in my car back in the late 90's, half DIN size. So I know it would be possible.
I'm looking for a headphone amp with preamp outputs so I can pass on the signal to a 2.1 speaker system I'm building. Considering swapping my current SMSL SP200 for the Schiit Magni Unity. Any thoughts...? Would there be a simpler way of doing this (given that I already have a DAC that I love)?
Well, you could get a Magni without the dac for 109,(or a last generation for 89 or 79) and use your current dac.
But at the price of 179, I'd just get the Unity card, even if you don't plan to use it right now. Schiit's Unison usb works flawlessly with all devices and sounds great.
what EQ is best to use with the unity?
Will you do any reviews on JDS Labs products?
Oooh, don't like the gray knob on the black finish, but that's just me though. I'm a big fan of Schiit. I have a Modi, Magni Heresy, and a Valhalla 2++. It's all good... stuff 😂
This is way more expensive in Europe. How is it compared to a Topping DX3 Pro +?
I have the Piety Magni and it is impressive for price/ performance. There is a gain switch on the back-- but would not recommend iems on this. It punches.
I would like schiit audio were so kind to tell us in the (product documents - AKA datasheet) the recommended minimum impedance magni can handle and not just write use negative gain for your low impedance IEMS.... I have a 9 ohms impedance iems and i don't know magni is wealthy handling them.
I emailed Schiit about the minimum impedance and they stated that the Magni's and Vali's can handle 8 ohm loads.
@@1mctous thank you so much for this reply, It is very helpfull
Hey. Sorry...I have been burnt before so I have a question:
When you plug headphones in, will Magni cut off the speakers automatically? Or will it play from both?
The manual indicates that it will mute the RCA output when you plug headphones in.
My magni3 sits unused. First easily beat out by the headphones jack in my TEAC W-1200...then that was absolutely dusted by a 90's am-150 audio-technica stereo mixer for DJs...it's an amazing headphones amp..stupid amounts of power . And can cross fed. Used $45..
Buy the Sennheiser HP adapter really solid
You want the add-in USB DAC for the $60, so just do the $189 version even if you don't need it . All Schiit products sound best on USB so you are not missing anything without Toslink and Coax. Also, there are no 16 Ohm headphones, so ignore that BS number. It is a 2.5W Amp with a USB DAC, which is fantastic for the price. I bought 2!
Is the add-in DAC just as good as their dedicated DAC such as the Modi?
This or the SMSL DL200 as a headphone dac/amp? From where I am the DL200 is almost 100€ cheaper, sound quality from one that have heard both? QA is another issue when looking at smsl..
i wonder how it stacks up to its competitors like the Topping DX3pro+ or the SMSL DL200. Great video
I was going to ask this same question.
Me too confused
Anyway I can't buy this due to us plug😅
@@ahambhramasmii Schiit has different plug configs, Euro, UK, and Aussie plugs
@@Pizza____God I'm right now in UAE
Can't find uk plug
Only us plug type available
Sound wise how those it compares to the magni modi stack.
If anyone knows, is it USB-C to USB-C or to USB-A?
I have the open-back Sundara, which I bought in Sep 2023. I listen to a lot of Baroque organ music on them. Now, it's not the thumping, ear-destroying, extreme bass that rock listeners seem to prefer. But for me, the bass is deep and satisfying.
We actuallly prefer quality, detail, fast transients and a good amount of punch, not “ear destroying” bass in our headphones
Hey @cheapaudioman, i bought the Magni Unity and i found the usb c cable to be too short for my setup, where can i buy a longer one, Does any usb c cable work?
Also how do i pair this with IEM’s?
jds labs atom 2 about the same price but no modular dac option and only 2 gain options. looks sleeker imo
Try the Vali3 with a good tube and it wiil beat the Unity handily. I know because it kills my Jotenheim 2 with the WE396A tube.
All hail the jalepeno joke!
Cualquier cosa entre el amplificador y los altavoces que no sea neutro es "modificar" la señal. 👉y lo sabes
I have been looking at the closed back Sundara.... 😮 Are you Psychic???
They should’ve offer the 3 options. Coax, Tos & USB.
One word: cost.
Maybe they'll offer a "plus" version that has those options.
Made-in-Ameria Magni beats both China's SMSL and Topping products in the pricing game. I love it.
How
wish it worked with the loki mini
If saying "Schkiiit" wasn't cringey enough - now were bleeping. Schiit, there I said it. I like to say it - Schiit, great sounding gear. Schiit Audio
if you buy the magni unity with the DAC can you still use a Modi as a DAC?
Yes! It has an RCA input for the Modi, if you're using optical or Coax, or just like to have stuff stacked. The onboard Unity dac is great, but is USB only. I compared it to my separate Modi, and the difference is very small.
Love the Magni Unity, been using it constantly since it arrived!
@@frankplissken143 glad to see someone compare it to the Modi. I’m completely new to this the audio world. I’m looking to get the Magni (w/ Dac) and the Sennheiser HD 6XX. I’m only going to be using this with a computer so I don’t need coax. But I wasn’t sure if I should still get the separate Modi because perhaps the quality was noticeably different. The price difference comes out to ~$100 and I don’t think that it’s worth it to me.
Compared to JDS Atom?
I have the same question!
schiit is cray cray my friend🤪
Perhaps we should refer to their products as "Schii-fi"?
I have a second gen Magni that has about 14 or 15 hours on it over a long time and it bought the farm. I thought it may have been the amp board, but it turned out to be the input jack. I decided recently for the moment to fix it myself and it is ok now.
I'd like to know how the new Magni stands against the Geshelli Labs Archel 2.5XL as a headphone amp head to head. Who cares about how a DAC sounds sonically it is just a computer processor chip. From what I gathered in this video, the SMSL unit is slightly better sonically than the Magni and the Geshelli Labs Archel Pro is notably better (for $400+ it better be). That is why I wonder about the Magni against the Archel 2.5XL (normal everyday type headphone amp around $220 stock version).
ALL "listening" headphones require EQ, there is no way around it. (Studio Monitor headphones do not require EQ and one would not want to EQ them, for most folks they are not for "listening". I personally would not mind using them for listening as well as more job oriented tasks, but I don't listen with headphones hardly at all. I don't like having my ears and eyes squeezed together sonically). The price on those HiFi cans is great, but not if they sound like my old Sennheiser HD518s, which are all bass and heavily veiled everything else, no high frequencies at all and very difficult to EQ to boot. I no longer have them. I have AKG 7KXX, Sennheiser HD650. (I also have Status Audio CB-1s, but those are studio monitors and not comfortable for wearing long term either).
It is interesting that the ad on Amazon says "for studio recording as well". From the description of the sound you gave I would not even think of using them for that.
On a side note and not particularly aimed at you, but only because you brought it up: I can't stand "audiophile" math or whatever it is called! It is so absurd! It bothers me that people know nothing about economics spew out made up figures or act like experts. $119 is NOT less expensive than $85 and this product was never $85 anyway! That said, considering real economics and all that goes with it (as bad as it is in the US and other places) a $20 increase is not bad by most accounts. That is about $1.43 per year if you broke it down that way. Why not just say something plain like that instead of trying to sound like some politician or hedge fund salesperson? For goodness sake. We have to hear this same crap (not from you so much) about other audio products including even vinyl records that is just made up BS. It is said by those realizing they paid way too much for something and want to justify it by trying to convince others to make the same mistake and risk bankruptcy or something in a stupid pursuit of "perfect audio" or unicorns or other such fantasy creatures. I don't begrudge those who are wealthy and want to spend their money the way they want, but that is different from trying to convince others to make financial mistakes over a hobby. I'm not talking about anything here in that of course. For example: $120 is not going to kill anyone (unless that is all they have left or something, but that is just stating the obvious).
The Magni 2 has compression and mid-range glare issues. It was overpriced at the time, and some pro audio headphone amps offered better performance for 50-75% the price. These days, there are so many options that your head spins. Depending on your taste and source, it can be anything. If you want technical perfection, get a Topping L30II. If you want color/crossfeed get a something like a Zen Can.
You seem fun…
CAM, can I ask why 2 of my comments in response to this video were removed please?
I got a pair of kilpsch r-50m’s for 180 at Best Buy open box is the best deal u can get try not to settle for msrp
constant buzzing through your microphone. Cheap audio man indeed LOL
i think that's a you problem
wow, could this be a fiio killer, especially as a combo?
Not even close
a FiiO "Killer"? perhaps not, but, it does certainly compete with FiiO's options.
Schiit is not in EU per. ex. they are pretty small company
I’m noticed your watches my dude. I would like to see an episode on your watch collection or maybe a collaboration with Teddy Baldassarre.
Ha! I’m sure Teddy has much better things to be doing
@cheapaudioman I have a question that may be worthy of a video, (because nobody on UA-cam that I can find has addressed it ), It's in rgds to MP3's and components. I have a library of MP3's that I've curated for decades. Some of these songs can't even be found on streaming, I'm attached to it because of personal ripping and downloading over dial-up internet. Are there components that do a great job of getting the best from MP3's? Any secret tactics? Anyone have album art display? Is there a budget system that I can build, (fosi audio? Wiim? Upgraded power supply? Open amps?). I hate paying for streaming and hate buying overpriced songs and hate skipping limitations. Is there hopebfor folks like me? Am I unique in this? Extinct?
Headphone amp: Does this really qualify as hifi equipment ?
How did this video turn into an IKEA furniture assembly guide!??
How's it comapre to your Topping DX3 Pro+? Nearly identical price for a similar amp-DAC combo
Unity vs zen dac v2?
I bought both of them to compare these 2 products, and I’m a bit confused. Both are really good, comparing just the sound, the Magni is a tiny bit more precise but also a bit less surrounding than the Ifi. Magni is more neutral, and Ifi more colouring, like it has some reverb around, but a bit less precise with middles. And surprisingly, the Ifi can drive quite a lot of headphones. About the design and build quality, I prefer the Magni Unity. But where I’m confused, is that here in Europe, I was able to buy the Ifi 149€, and the Magni with dac is 279€, so the difference of sound quality don’t really justify the price difference. The sound difference is really thin to my ears. I’m not talking about mqa, dsd and stuff, I have a more simple use of these dacs/amps. I have to return one of them, but I will continue listening a bit to compare them, because I really don’t know for the moment :) (sorry if my english is not perfect).
@@QuentinRicci thank you for the in-depth response man. I might go with the Unity with the internal DAC since its $190, while the zen 2 $200. I have heard really good things about the zen 2 though!
@@MorTphyrI’m also debating between these two. I think I’m going to get the Sennheiser HD 6XX and the Unity.
I’ll also gonna go with the Magni Unity finally, I prefer to have a very clean, precise and neutral sound, instead of a ‘colouring’ dac like the Ifi. Like that, I will let the headphones propose their own sound signature. And the Magni has 3 years warranty, very good and nice build, so just having this object is satisfying :) And it matters!
I'm dealing with their support at the moment... it's not great.
Kinda strange how Schiit is able to make their products in the U.S. and still have a successful company, yet so many others claim they have to use cheap labor in China. Yeah, I'm lookin' at you Apple.
Cost about $224 w/ DAC after tax + shipping.
For all the comments here not a single answer from Randy. Why bother asking questions then? The UA-camr PassionForSound answers almost all the questions.
The new magni is not actually cheaper the parts to build it are cheaper and easier to make.
Can't say that it's cheaper because you also have to take into account that our income sadly did not scale with inflation.
BUT - are you able to connect a Wiim Mini directly to the Schiit Magni Unity WITHOUT the use of an external DAC? There are no optic or coaxial ports …
Only with the Wiim's internal DAC.
The USB equipped version is meant for people using it next to their computer and want a single, small box to plug all their iems and headphones into.
If you want other types of connectivity with headphone amp in a single chassis, Schitt already makes it.
The Modi or SU-1 are what you need for the Wiim, because it doesn't do USB output. A 3.5 to rca adapter can send the signal, but the wiim mini dac isn't super good. The price is pretty close for a Magni and external dac vs the unity card.
first comment wile grabbing a beer,,,,,
Second place doesn’t deserve a beer!
Just messin’…enjoy. 🤘🏼
It's difficult to find your content trail.
It would help people, like myself, to find specific content if you spent more time categorizing or chaptering your content.
Surely, lots of random uploads create more clicks.
Man-up on organization.
Sundara closed is the most fatiguing good headphone I have ever listened . I liked it quite a lot , until after 10 min ....