Chinese body armor for dirt bike riding - long term review

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
  • Dont forget to select 10% off Coupon!
    body armor: amzn.to/2ShO6Sx
    vest - chest protector: amzn.to/2yxNmAA
    Hey Guys, this is the honest review of very affordable chinese body armor for dirt bike riding, I had mine for 3 years with plenty of crashes and it worked good enough to made me get another one exactly the same. If you are on budget, this is not a bad option.
    T-shirt:
    www.dirtniron.....
    www.dirtniron....
    / dirtniron
    / dirtniron
    chinese dirt bike body armor test review

КОМЕНТАРІ • 176

  • @kentuckyblugrass
    @kentuckyblugrass 6 років тому +96

    The zippers on the back are for your swords 📈📉

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +2

      👍👍

    • @svmei
      @svmei 4 роки тому +9

      or for Suzuki enthusiasts, they are for your Katanas :^)

  • @KooLaidblue
    @KooLaidblue 5 років тому +19

    I've had mine for 2 years and it is holding up very well. I ended up sewing on an extra 8" extension of actual loop Velcro on the kidney belt and it was the BEST thing I could of done to modify it for my fat gut. I didn't replace it, I just sewed it right on top the old one and with extra length. I've crashed multiple times and I also took a branch to the chest, saved my bacon. I typically wear large, I ordered XXL.

  • @SANDS78
    @SANDS78 6 років тому +11

    I’ve had mine for over a year and it has saved me many times. Velcro isn’t good, zippers are not great, but it’s $30! Will buy again for sure. Make sure you buy one size bigger than what you think you need.

    • @vegasromaniac
      @vegasromaniac 6 років тому +1

      ye alike 2 sizes bigger, i got a extra large and im like 166 pounds guy

    • @surronzak8154
      @surronzak8154 Рік тому

      How did it saves you ?

  • @akathecanadian
    @akathecanadian 6 років тому +53

    I crashed with a fox Titan and it saved me hella good. They make my muscles appear bigger than they actually are 😏😏😏

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +5

      Fox titan is inspiration behind this one ;)

    • @eddiekelley527
      @eddiekelley527 6 років тому

      I have the titan as well,,, very good protection

    • @transkryption
      @transkryption 5 років тому +1

      This is the kind of review I'm interested in!
      If you can't attest to the specs, features or experience of *when IT matters*
      Armour is meant to protect, Not a fashion show item!
      You want to know how it performs be it protecting from bruising from a fall or saving broken bones and/or life after a funky crash.

    • @archietyson5362
      @archietyson5362 3 роки тому

      I know it is kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream new series online ?

    • @Heraklej
      @Heraklej 4 місяці тому

      ​@@archietyson5362netflix,hbo ?

  • @Shaljroan30750
    @Shaljroan30750 Рік тому +2

    Why does biker armor always make you look like a badass ninja assassin from an rpg video game?

  • @newbeginnings8566
    @newbeginnings8566 5 років тому +7

    Good thoughts... I have knees and elbow protectors and I need a chest / back protector. I don't have the money for the super expensive ones right now.. Its just for field and trails motocross/enduro so no great stuff and no races...
    I'll buy a much better one for road riding when I get my licence....
    Always thought these Chinese ones would be okay for basic motocross

  • @TNTMOTO
    @TNTMOTO 6 років тому +6

    Great video. I had the same one as the first one you had. If you are on a budget it offers ok protection for the regular rider. The plastic pieces were about 1/2 the thickness of the Fox. If you ride fast and hard, you are better off to put out the extra dollars and buy the Fox for much better protection.

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому

      makes sense, thanks for sharing

  • @xXxAdrianLRxXx
    @xXxAdrianLRxXx 6 років тому +12

    I bought 5 months ago a fox raptor vest and save my ass like 30 times expensive but recommended for.me

  • @pervono
    @pervono 6 років тому +3

    I have one of the first one's you showed, I've had it for a year and have tried it out a lot, for $35 you can't go wrong and it looks just like the FOX one as my mate has one and he paid $185 for the FOX. If it last you 2 years and you need to but a new one it is very cheap insurance from rocks, stick, scratches.

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому

      thats right, thanks for sharing bro!

    • @surronzak8154
      @surronzak8154 Рік тому

      Who tested it against rocks ?

  • @sHadOwvelley
    @sHadOwvelley 4 роки тому +4

    mine now is already 2 years. i always used during long ride.

  • @GoDoWork13
    @GoDoWork13 6 років тому +5

    I bought one 2 years ago from your first review. I liked it but it was very restrictive and it doesn’t offer neck brace attachment. I wore it for about 1.5 years. I bought a leatt chest protector about 6 months ago (150$)I’m very happy with it. This is however a great option for a tight budget or someone just starting out. Great review rado! Any chance u could do a updated gear video on what u wear for moto and what you wear for trail? Maybe pick a few things out that you want or have been looking at and have us do a poll on them. There are a ton of guys that have gear questions. Me personally I wear leatt chest protector and neck brace. Fox titan pro knee guards. Ls2 helmet,100% accuri goggles, Fox comp 5 boots. Also good socks and underpants are a must to reduce chaffing and sores. O ya for gloves I’ve been wearing mechanix brand impact gloves and they have helped my hand fatigue a bunch. Also they offer some protection for the knuckles.

  • @srrtbb
    @srrtbb 3 роки тому +1

    I have the Fox Titan and when I'm on trial it is a must for me. Saved my ass many times. W/o it I'd of bruise and cut up. I might get the Chinese knock-off when it is time for replacement.

  • @andrewsproson1410
    @andrewsproson1410 2 місяці тому

    My son bought a similar body armour for a party costume.Looks cheap and like a toy so I was surprised to find riders use them for protection.

  • @djohnson3678
    @djohnson3678 5 років тому +2

    wow, have not seen your video sin a while. . . plz dont count vids ..... lol
    awesome beard you got there.
    easy fix for the worn out Velcro , get a Velcro roll [ double sided ] , remove the worn out one, then sew in the new one.
    i wondered about the different types , and you showed all 3. kool
    awesome video !!

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому +1

      thanks for the tip man!

  • @rioborzeli147
    @rioborzeli147 2 роки тому

    Thank You very much , so much sales pushing with the reviews. And also link. I am buying now.

  • @mooncake8254
    @mooncake8254 5 місяців тому

    It's odd. I used my leatt 6.0 armor for my e scooter. It goes up to 40 miles per hour.
    Anyways last week someone try to break into my home. I was awake and got dressed into my full bmx body gear. Pulled out the only weapon I had. (Kitchen knives.) Called the police. Either ways I feel like that cheap Chinese armor it's much easier to put on than what I have. Also last year summer. I wear it for fending off raccoons.

  • @RobertoSalgadoPlus
    @RobertoSalgadoPlus 5 років тому +3

    Yo compré el mismo, chino y sin marca. Tengo 5 años con él. Le he hecho modificaciones y le he sustituido los velcros. Funciona perfecto. Me costó $12 USD y me lo enviaron por DHL gratis, en eBay.

    • @malva9092
      @malva9092 3 роки тому

      Has caído/chocado? Te ha servido?

    • @RobertoSalgadoPlus
      @RobertoSalgadoPlus 3 роки тому +1

      @@malva9092 Recientemente cambié a una Trial, y sí que me he caído y sí que me ha servido ✌️

    • @RobertoSalgadoPlus
      @RobertoSalgadoPlus 3 роки тому +1

      @@malva9092 Por ciertos lleva ya 7 años de edad, y como dije antes, con sus reparaciones y modificaciones, sigue tan funcional como el primer día ✌️

    • @JustPityHD
      @JustPityHD 3 роки тому

      Lo recomendarías como protección en carretera? Llevaría uno de estos y una chaqueta encima para evitar abrasión, lo consideras mejor protección que una chaqueta de carretera?

    • @RobertoSalgadoPlus
      @RobertoSalgadoPlus 3 роки тому

      @@JustPityHD Sí lo recomendaría para carretera. Y sí lo considero mejor que cualquier chaqueta de carretera ya que las protecciones son mejores que las que traen, incluso las de nivel 2.

  • @maxt7525
    @maxt7525 4 роки тому +2

    Awesome review, cheers😄👍

  • @ВикторСоловьёв-б1ы

    The back can be removed. It fastens with a zipper, carabiner and Velcro. Perhaps the Chinese did not understand the purpose of the lightning and made the back non-removable.

  • @GHOSTVAPOR
    @GHOSTVAPOR 11 місяців тому +1

    lol Bro What we wanna Know is not if they still hold just wearing them and it Looks .... we want to Know if you Crashed with them on and how good of a Protection they are ???

  • @reverendjonlawson1313
    @reverendjonlawson1313 Рік тому

    Excellent video, really helpful information 🙏

  • @johnnytrain001
    @johnnytrain001 9 місяців тому

    Thanks for the review man

  • @johnjackson7848
    @johnjackson7848 2 роки тому +1

    Going to get one myself but a little worried about the sizing with it being from China. What size is the one you're wearing, and how tall and what build are you?

  • @AzogDefilerFromMordor
    @AzogDefilerFromMordor 2 роки тому

    One thing is how it looks and how it holds together over time but I§d like to know how it actually protects compared to more expensive branded gear. Those Chinese things dont even have certification. Prices are great but if I'd break my back because armor is weak I'd regret saving some money.

  • @jamescatlover123
    @jamescatlover123 3 роки тому +3

    Cheap chinese body armor is better than no armor

  • @aido_supermoto
    @aido_supermoto 6 років тому +2

    Good stuff, I might have to invest in one

  • @vegasromaniac
    @vegasromaniac 6 років тому +4

    dude my tomorrow videos is about my AXO armor and how i got screwed on ebay :D hilarious !

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +1

      yea.. right..
      i bet you are recording it right now ;)

    • @vegasromaniac
      @vegasromaniac 6 років тому

      are you calling me a 4 stroke liar !? :D BTW it's gonna be hilarious .. because i got scammed on ebay ! :(

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +1

      How did you get scammed? I will check it tomorrow

  • @SuperTap007
    @SuperTap007 6 років тому +2

    What’s your opinion on knee braces? Do you think proper riding position and technique would prevent injury more than braces?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +1

      Get braces if you can, I am planning to spend 500 on some braces in near future. For now I wear good knee pads

    • @eyesthatseewillsee7457
      @eyesthatseewillsee7457 5 років тому

      SuperTap007 was in a motocross shop yesterday, and I saw a guy buying and trying some pod knee braces .they look amazing . I was listening to the guy talking he said that in the U.K. as that’s where I’m from .he said they are guaranteed by insurance companies for injury’s and also use them in rehabilitating

  • @Fmontes
    @Fmontes 3 роки тому

    Good video - I saw the other one on riding gear and checked out the body armor on Amazon - so inexpensive!
    One question - does it come with a built-in kidney belt? It looks like this one rides too high to protect the kidneys.

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  3 роки тому

      it does but nothing special

  • @WHITELIONNYC
    @WHITELIONNYC 4 роки тому +1

    GREAT review & GREAT beard!!!
    🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

  • @MrOscillot
    @MrOscillot 3 роки тому

    The buckles on the shoulders of the jacket are perfectly positioned to destroy one's clavicle / collarbone in a crash.

    • @abdulbarshams9564
      @abdulbarshams9564 Рік тому

      Broke my collarbone today.... I'm looking to find gear to help prevent doing that the next time I fall going 25mph... Do you have any tips or idea as to what gear I should wear

  • @MrLdvo
    @MrLdvo 5 років тому

    I have a problem, here is too hot to wear armor but to gnarly to don't use it, and once i'm stuck in the rocks wrestling the wr450 just drains my life out. I've tried roost protectors and body armor jacket the roost protector without my camelback are ok but on this hellish weather I need to bring 4 to 5 litter of water. So I almost give up safety to avoid another deadly heat Stroke. I'm prone to overheatting most of my friends don't suffer heat. i'm very frustrated, going down on a gnarly rocky hill with heat stroke is 20 times more dangerous than just than just not wearing the armor to keep up.

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому

      did you try wearing only the armor? its pretty breathable

  • @anthonypolaczuk5047
    @anthonypolaczuk5047 4 роки тому +1

    All of those issues can be solved with some basic sewing

  • @BMXster
    @BMXster 5 років тому

    Thankz for the review

  • @pneuamtics1
    @pneuamtics1 Рік тому

    This bike was really easy to assemble ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.

  • @philippemichelet1786
    @philippemichelet1786 6 років тому

    I am definitely getting one haha. Tanks man

  • @tetaizozadja7080
    @tetaizozadja7080 2 роки тому

    so basically Fox buys chinese armors and puts their logo on and price goes sky high… it’s the same as fox titan

  • @reyadamperkins7385
    @reyadamperkins7385 4 роки тому

    hi mate, thanks for video. The china one look more protective and look goods

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  4 роки тому

      thanks Kenny, its a decent body armor

  • @liununo1993
    @liununo1993 10 місяців тому

    as a Chinese guy I should give it a shot

  • @les937
    @les937 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the video I just order one a size larger and so much cheaper than the name brand stuff .

  • @elliotdownie7431
    @elliotdownie7431 10 місяців тому

    I'm debating getting one for bmx riding, would you recommend?

  • @vantatilfly
    @vantatilfly 4 роки тому

    I think it is similar to mine. Sec brand. I put a plastic clip lock replacing the velcro. And put a really hard wide tractor belt for the kidney protector. Now its heavier. But i feel confident my kidneys are protected. I was thinking about hiding concealed knives on tje arms but you know im riding i might stab myself

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  4 роки тому

      yea, better keep those knives away. interesting upgrades tho ;)

  • @1smackay
    @1smackay 3 роки тому

    What's your thoughts on this for general riding . As it's hot just now thinking that with a hoodie or something

  • @chriscarlstrom2724
    @chriscarlstrom2724 2 роки тому

    What is the brand? OHMOTOR ?
    On Amazon?

  • @norbelsemaj3870
    @norbelsemaj3870 8 місяців тому

    I wear XL on Shirts.
    And in Amazon Sizing are Weird.
    What should i buy ?
    Large - XL
    Or
    XL -XXL
    🤷‍♂️
    Please HELP

  • @itechhen
    @itechhen 4 місяці тому

    I guess these double the price of what they were then

  • @peteregger7928
    @peteregger7928 6 років тому

    No side rib protection! After breaking my ribs twice with punctured collapsed lungs I'm always looking for something to protect my ribs! Fox Raptor is as about as close as you can get. More padding around the rib area than the Leatt!

    • @vegasromaniac
      @vegasromaniac 6 років тому

      I got the AXO, better than FOX, but the rib is kind of hard to protect, the plastic will not stop any big impact , You need a Medieval BREAST PLATE man :D

    • @xterrential
      @xterrential 6 років тому

      Leatt 5.5. it has the protection you want and need

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому

      Yeah, there are definitely better products on the market. This one is good place to start

    • @peteregger7928
      @peteregger7928 6 років тому +1

      @dlrarmy Can't say that you're wrong! Lol!

    • @bellyacre1
      @bellyacre1 4 роки тому +2

      @@peteregger7928 I don't know about you. But, as it was happening. I said to myself; "This is not going to be good." And, I got up quicker then I should have. (Hoping no one seen)

  • @Jhay_Lim
    @Jhay_Lim 4 роки тому +1

    I bought that for only 12 dollars. Damn buy another one

  • @shadyrishabh
    @shadyrishabh 2 роки тому

    One question. Can we clean it ? Lets say I crash and get all the dirt and dust on it, can I remove the plastics and wash the cloth or even throw it into the tub of water as water cannot do anything to the plastics..

    • @norbelsemaj3870
      @norbelsemaj3870 8 місяців тому

      I wouldn't even Care If It got Dust and Dirt on it. Just thank Goodness (Lucky to be alive)

  • @jacko67outdoors63
    @jacko67outdoors63 3 роки тому

    Where is the link for the armour please?

  • @jeansandmyshirt
    @jeansandmyshirt 5 років тому

    great review. better than the fox armor review lol

  • @vinnivinzii
    @vinnivinzii 4 роки тому +1

    Can i use that in the street?

  • @dbrown2989
    @dbrown2989 4 роки тому

    Very cool armor!

  • @trader2137
    @trader2137 2 роки тому

    is it good for skiing?

  • @HB-gj7gd
    @HB-gj7gd 4 роки тому

    - cost 48$ + 62$ in shipping, import fee - arg

  • @kushlife8708
    @kushlife8708 2 роки тому

    But that is not IIIA bulletproof !!

  • @rebelliontotyrantsisobedie5602
    @rebelliontotyrantsisobedie5602 5 років тому

    I know this chineese sizing is usually off....for the body armor what size did you get, what's your chest size, weight , height?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому

      I got xl i am 190lbs 5’11

  • @wapangvlogs7559
    @wapangvlogs7559 5 років тому +1

    What is the vest size ?

  • @user-zj6ie5gc2t
    @user-zj6ie5gc2t 7 місяців тому

    how do you wash these

  • @blazers12369
    @blazers12369 6 років тому +1

    You wear the armor under jersey or over?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому

      Both, in summer usually just some t-shirt and armor on the top.

  • @endurotruckererniedesjardins
    @endurotruckererniedesjardins 5 років тому +1

    I'm not sure how tall or heavy you are rado. I'm 6ft 230 pounds and broad shoulders. Do you think I should get XXL or XL

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому +3

      2xl or even 3xl for you.. I am 5'11 190lbs

    • @NoRoads2AllRoads
      @NoRoads2AllRoads Рік тому

      @@dirtniron im 511 and 175lbs ... and from the charts, I ordered XXL ... do you think its too big for me? :( although i have a thick chest and shoulders

  • @2WheelDerness
    @2WheelDerness 3 роки тому

    What size it is? I know chinese sizes are very small, so I usualy wear M and I think this will fit XL (178cm height ans 78kg)

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  3 роки тому +1

      2 sizes bigger than what you have in US, yes XL makes sense

    • @2WheelDerness
      @2WheelDerness 3 роки тому

      @@dirtniron picked mine today, seems fine. the only thing I dont like is the back foam pads are not hallowed like the front to allow air flow. not tested yet :)

  • @robbenalfans5501
    @robbenalfans5501 3 роки тому

    Whats for a mas is this protector bro ?

  • @borky1987
    @borky1987 Рік тому

    What size is that?

  • @deborahbarrett2134
    @deborahbarrett2134 2 роки тому

    Standover height?

  • @EvendimataE
    @EvendimataE Рік тому

    is that kind of body arrmor also good for street riding?

    • @spp6849
      @spp6849 Рік тому

      yes but definitely not for felony speeding. yet if youre going 100+ mph i dont think anything will save you in a crash lol. this would be fine for basic street riding. wear long sleeves under, that mesh is thin.

  • @domanater480
    @domanater480 5 років тому

    I got the red 360 jersey and red 180 pants. How good is the ventilation on the 360 jersey?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому

      pretty good, no complains

  • @CRGT666
    @CRGT666 3 роки тому

    Do you think this one would work for mountain biking?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  3 роки тому

      maybe too restrictive..

  • @Chris-wk7xq
    @Chris-wk7xq Рік тому

    what do you recommend for street use. on a street fighter honda

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  Рік тому

      Not really sure. Probably some street leathers

  • @marussa4602
    @marussa4602 5 років тому

    Not enough chest protection against pneumothorax

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому

      yea, its better than nothing tho ..

    • @marussa4602
      @marussa4602 5 років тому

      @@dirtniron after one week of icu because of massive pneumothorax, I will buy certified - C2- chest protector. The problem is also if you get hit in the zipper part.

  • @listomoto
    @listomoto 5 років тому

    do you wear it on top of your jersey?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому +1

      on top of a tshirt, jersey goes on the top or no jersey at all

    • @bellyacre1
      @bellyacre1 4 роки тому

      @@dirtniron Thanks, I was thinking might need to order jerseys a little larger to fit over.

  • @RidershermanV3
    @RidershermanV3 11 місяців тому

    I dont think you relize people in chine are half your size buddy

  • @19july98
    @19july98 3 роки тому

    Can they send me to India.. please????🙏🙏

  • @ryanwyrick6947
    @ryanwyrick6947 4 роки тому

    im 510 210 real husky is it true that i should get the XXXL? I heard an xl in china is like a medium in america...

  • @mikeowens1944
    @mikeowens1944 6 років тому

    Is it hot to wear on a sunny day?

  • @sajalsrivastava5821
    @sajalsrivastava5821 4 роки тому +2

    can i riot in streets if i wear this?

    • @deawo2008
      @deawo2008 3 роки тому

      NO, the Police will definitely arrest you..

  • @hammer6
    @hammer6 3 роки тому

    This help

  • @RAD_Dad3
    @RAD_Dad3 6 років тому

    Do you where knee pads when riding trials?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +1

      Yes, always have a knee pads. I got leatt, little expensive but I didn't want to safe there. It's bit different than body armor.

    • @SANDS78
      @SANDS78 6 років тому

      I do, bought the Shift brand pads. Work great.

  • @mavic5149
    @mavic5149 5 років тому

    i wear Medium Cloths what size should i get ????
    Someone answer ASAP

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  5 років тому +1

      At least large

    • @mavic5149
      @mavic5149 5 років тому

      thank bruv @@dirtniron

  • @adenfaris4798
    @adenfaris4798 5 років тому

    Is it waterproof?

  • @Royal1981
    @Royal1981 8 місяців тому

    Ok i follow

  • @cjdaking
    @cjdaking 6 років тому

    Do you wear a neck brace?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +1

      I don't, but perhaps I should

  • @mameryjazz
    @mameryjazz 6 років тому

    Where did you buy them friend

    • @desulv
      @desulv 6 років тому +1

      he has a link in the bio

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  6 років тому +1

      Amazon links are in the description

    • @mameryjazz
      @mameryjazz 6 років тому

      Im down for rhe chinese armor

  • @chadholdaway2089
    @chadholdaway2089 3 роки тому

    What size is yours?

  • @Jesus-np6le
    @Jesus-np6le 4 роки тому

    How do i know what zise am i?

    • @dirtniron
      @dirtniron  4 роки тому

      i guess go 2 size bigger than what you normally wear

  • @jamillemohammed9779
    @jamillemohammed9779 4 роки тому

    Looking like a mortal kombat suit

  • @radosvetakinova1216
    @radosvetakinova1216 4 роки тому

    no doubt they work but there are like even shittier out there

  • @besafe5969
    @besafe5969 3 роки тому

    Nice

  • @famousfrost13
    @famousfrost13 5 років тому +1

    Good English Mayne!!

  • @natedogg6733
    @natedogg6733 6 років тому

    yay.....

  • @laryangel4082
    @laryangel4082 2 роки тому

    8

  • @jamescatlover123
    @jamescatlover123 5 років тому

    Looks like iron man armor

  • @wangjenofficial4557
    @wangjenofficial4557 4 роки тому

    Nce video Sir #BindasDekho

  • @RidershermanV3
    @RidershermanV3 11 місяців тому

    Definitely not AMERICAN

  • @oldfartuk
    @oldfartuk 3 роки тому

    In the one I had The chest one ..just keeps riding up ..so had to fit a groin strap to stop it ..very annoying