Before Buying Adventure or Dual Sport Motorcycle Gear... Watch This
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Let's talk about the pros and cons of separate vs. integrated armor for adventure and dual sport motorcycle riding. #motorcycle #dualsport #dirtbike #advrider #moskomoto
➕➕GEAR THAT I'VE TESTED AND RECOMMEND➕➕
➕ARMOR➕
⚡ Moose Body Armor: bit.ly/3IuoTyn
⚡REV'IT! Proteus Armored Shirt: imp.i104546.net/jrmgxM
⚡REV'IT! Scram Knee Guards: imp.i104546.net/xkZPAy
⚡ Leatt Knee / Shin Guards: bit.ly/3twN8Fu
⚡Alpinestars Bionic Shirt: imp.i104546.net/KjLYNy
⚡Leatt 3DF Airfit Shirt: imp.i104546.net/LXqYNo
⚡Leatt Airfit Knee Guards: imp.i104546.net/9gPBYj
⚡Leatt 3DF Shorts: imp.i104546.net/5gQBN3
⚡Protection sold by Mosko Moto: tinyurl.com/5n7yw8pa
➕HOT WEATHER ADV SUITS➕
⚡Mosko Moto Jerseys/Jackets: tinyurl.com/3ye6sjxp
⚡ Klim Baja S4: imp.i104546.net/oeGVN9
⚡ REV’IT Cayenne: imp.i104546.net/NkKZzK
⚡ REV’IT Sand 4: imp.i104546.net/Zd2g1z
⚡ Sedici Marco 2: imp.i104546.net/3ePnAk
⚡ Alpinestars Bogota Pro: imp.i104546.net/nLzME6
⚡ Alpinestars Halo: imp.i104546.net/GmDVP6
➕COLD WEATHER / WATERPROOF SUITS➕
⚡Mosko Moto Jackets: tinyurl.com/ywfszynk
⚡ MSR Voyager: bit.ly/40YqWmO
⚡ MSR Xplorer: bit.ly/3SjxHwk
⚡ Klim Carlsbad: imp.i104546.net/BXGB5L
⚡ Badlands Pro A3 Jacket: imp.i104546.net/6ezPxN
⚡ REV'IT! Echelon GTX: imp.i104546.net/XY9Rx4
➕BASE AND MID LAYERS➕
⚡MSR Base Layers: bit.ly/3K3bQ8s
⚡MSR Mid-Layers: bit.ly/3Ikkyi1
⚡Mosko Graph and Strata: tinyurl.com/mpyx7m22
⚡ Mosko Moto Ectotherm Jacket: bit.ly/3GJUax6
⚡Klim Aggressor: imp.i104546.net/Jz0YPr
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00:00 Intro
03:06 Separate Pros
06:02 Separate Cons
09:16 Integrated Pros
11:05 Integrated Cons
14:34 Choosing - Авто та транспорт
Well - do you prefer separate or integrated armor and why?
➕➕GEAR THAT I'VE TESTED AND RECOMMEND➕➕
➕ARMOR➕
⚡ Moose Body Armor: bit.ly/3IuoTyn
⚡REV'IT! Proteus Armored Shirt: imp.i104546.net/jrmgxM
⚡REV'IT! Scram Knee Guards: imp.i104546.net/xkZPAy
⚡ Leatt Knee / Shin Guards: bit.ly/3twN8Fu
⚡Alpinestars Bionic Shirt: imp.i104546.net/KjLYNy
⚡Leatt 3DF Airfit Shirt: imp.i104546.net/LXqYNo
⚡Leatt Airfit Knee Guards: imp.i104546.net/9gPBYj
⚡Leatt 3DF Shorts: imp.i104546.net/5gQBN3
⚡Protection sold by Mosko Moto: tinyurl.com/5n7yw8pa
➕HOT WEATHER ADV SUITS➕
⚡Mosko Moto Jerseys/Jackets: tinyurl.com/3ye6sjxp
⚡ Klim Baja S4: imp.i104546.net/oeGVN9
⚡ REV’IT Cayenne: imp.i104546.net/NkKZzK
⚡ REV’IT Sand 4: imp.i104546.net/Zd2g1z
⚡ Sedici Marco 2: imp.i104546.net/3ePnAk
⚡ Alpinestars Bogota Pro: imp.i104546.net/nLzME6
⚡ Alpinestars Halo: imp.i104546.net/GmDVP6
➕COLD WEATHER / WATERPROOF SUITS➕
⚡Mosko Moto Jackets: tinyurl.com/ywfszynk
⚡ MSR Voyager: bit.ly/40YqWmO
⚡ MSR Xplorer: bit.ly/3SjxHwk
⚡ Klim Carlsbad: imp.i104546.net/BXGB5L
⚡ Badlands Pro A3 Jacket: imp.i104546.net/6ezPxN
⚡ REV'IT! Echelon GTX: imp.i104546.net/XY9Rx4
➕BASE AND MID LAYERS➕
⚡MSR Base Layers: bit.ly/3K3bQ8s
⚡MSR Mid-Layers: bit.ly/3Ikkyi1
⚡Mosko Graph and Strata: tinyurl.com/mpyx7m22
⚡ Mosko Moto Ectotherm Jacket: bit.ly/3GJUax6
⚡Klim Aggressor: imp.i104546.net/Jz0YPr
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⚡ Mosko Moto: moskomoto.com/bigrockmoto
⚡ Pacific Powersports (Motoz Tires, Barkbusters): pacificpowersports.com/ USE CODE BRM2024
⚡ 3D Cycle Parts: www.3dcycleparts.com/?aff=3
⚡ Taco Moto : tacomoto.co/?ref=fi6gv640
⚡ Cyclops Adventure Sports: tinyurl.com/2kaknpfn
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Could you please do a review on AdventureSpec Supershirt? Especially in summer conditions.
Integrated for the top, because I want abrasion resistance. And mix for pants, because those adventures pants are not really good at impact resistance. He knee guard always slips out when standing and never settles back.
In my case separate but constructed from abrasion-resistant materials so I can wear it as a stand-alone jacket/pants or as a protective base under any jacket/pants I have.
One of your best videos ever Ian!
I'm old enough and riding long enough that I have both options in gear set up. I just go with whatever the conditions dictate. A very useful and informative video. Cheers !
Nicely done, I absolutely agree. In winter I swap my armour from the armour shirt directly in the jacket, so go integrated. In summer I go again for separate, it is ways to hot with integrated
Content has been 🔥🔥🔥 lately, loving it!!
This is the kind of video I always seached for, thank you!
The word I like to use is "modular" gear. I just did a trip from PNW Canada to Mexico (90% highway) - separate armor made the most sense since the temperatures varied pretty widely. I carried a Klim Dakar jacket, a jersey and a rain layer and various combinations of them worked from 35F to about 80F. The problem was it was always a song and dance to get my armor off when I was just stopping off for a five minute taco/coke.
I'm now planning a trip to the artic and it makes the most sense to go with an integrated jacket since the temperatures won't vary as widely. It's also more comfortable to wear since you don't have all the layers bunching up on eachother, which would cause chaffing when I was being active on the bike. I will be doing mostly highway or FSR so I'm not too worried about being stuck in traffic and overheating, which can be an issue as well.
Thanx for this.
All makes sense.
I ride mostly in the arctic climates of Scandinavia & do approx 60/40 (onroad/offroad).
After My accident that i luckily escaped with «only» a fractured shoulder i have come to realise the importance of proper gear & Adequat protection. During the accident i wore: Klim Carlsbad jacket, kevlar jeans, Klim gloves, adventure boots & Shoei Neotech2. All did its job perfectly. Allthough now i never drive without My Alpinestar airbag vest that goes under my jacket. This allows me to remove the ingrated back & shuolder pads. On a hot day (rarely happens here though) i can use a jersey with added elbow protectors with the airbag vest under or a mesh jacket. Am concinviced the airbag technology is gettin better & more affordable now & way to go.
Safety first…
Cheers from Norway 🇳🇴
Excellent and thorough as expected thank you for making this video. Ian is the Go To for ADV riding period 😊
Greetings from the Czech Republic. Great as always! I just became your supporter. Good luck to you!
Separate all the way. That being said I had the same concern about abrasion resistance as you mention. I've manage to find two separate armor manufacturers of quality armor layer jackets (both out of EU as it happens) that are AAA (bowtex elite shirt) and AA (Knox Men's Urbane Pro) rated and use both. Each has chest armor, is light weight, breathable and offer the option to be secured via your belt to your pants. For leggings I mostly use certified riding jeans. Depending on the weather / type of ride I bring a variety of outer layers just like I do when mountainbiking, hiking, snowboarding etc.
I come from an adventure sports background, not from riding dirt bikes, but the principle seems much the same to me and layering just seems natural. I hardly ride any dirt to be honest - mostly just enjoy the amazing mountain roads Japan has to offer.
Love your channel and content mate. Thanks for doing this.
Coming into motorcycling from wilderness guiding, the layering system integrates better with my existing layering framework, and as a new rider with a small dual sport living in western MT
I also expect to do more off road or gravel than on road for quite some time. I also get too warm much easier than too cold. This was a good video to check this out for an overview of both!
Knox armoured shirt or jacket starting with single A and ending with AAA, can be worn on its own with enough abrasion resistance and impact protection. You can add chest protection… that’s my choice + layering approach. Nice one Ian.👍
No to mention it is a part of a 3 piece system, with a thermo jacket for warmth and a rain suit for rain and snow
Knox armour with a down jacket and the revit component h2o. That's what im wearing for traveling. And a I have a normal jacket with armour from Bering for the daily home - work commute
I came here to write about Knox. You get protection and slide resistance in one piece. And then you could ride in jersey on highways
Revit Proteus is positioned for on-off road riders. If you want to compare apple with apple you gotta take the Revit Nucleus as the direct competitor of Knox armoured shirts, which pretty much do the same and is possibly a stand alone jacket itself
I had the Knox AA suit, felt very restrictive compared to proper MX armour. So really depends on your definition of off-road. Is it proper enduro or just some light trails??
Super-helpful video. Thank you Ian!🙏
Thanks for another great vid Ian! I see you had a Revit Proteus. I wonder if you're planning a comparison of different options of 'pressure suits'? I'm thinking about a lightweight setup to take travelling with me along with my Carlsbad suit as I'll be doing a fair bit of slab to/from the area I'll be riding as well as some cool weather on the way home. The Revit looks like a nice piece of kit but would love to see you compare some options!
Thank you Ian for the Honest opinion on the styles of jackets and armour, great to know.
This was unreal helpful. SO comprehensive for a new ADV rider. Thank you for putting it together.
Glad it was helpful!
very interesting video... alternative setup; tshirt (long or short sleeve) + summer mesh level 2 jacket (still ok for having a coffee on a terrace) + warmer layer with wind protected on the front side + waterproof layer / motorbike jeans + lightweight rain trousers ; light, easy to remove , nothing stays wet the day after , you always wear protection (also on short rides to grocery in the morning where the stupid accidents happen most often), plus the vented jacket with level 2 has a certain thickness that ventilates sweat very well under other layers!!!! tested on looong rides
This is some great insights. I never knew how off-road riding works when it comes to gear.
cheers for everything Ian!! Hope that you will consider knee protection next...guards, braces and so on.
I switched to separate armor about 18 years ago. I wear base, armor, any thermal and or abrasion on top. Works well for me. I like the system.
I have been screamimg this concept for a while now after using adv gear and hating it. Glad you did a vid on it! Yes there are some give and takes though
Good vid. Fair analysis. Glad riders have so many appropriate choices. Wear it.
thanks for this vid, always wondered about that
Great video Ian. Separate armor for the win for me.
good video. looks like you were having fun
I’ve used the Forcefield stretchy shirts and pants for years. When it’s summer I simply put their excellent armour in my Adv jacket/trousers. Other seasons the stretchy fabric is great because it holds the armour exactly in the right place and also is an insulating layer. Great CE2 protection
Totally agrre that the best option, budget allowing, is to have good sets of gear for either path, and then to choose based on what the specific ride or trip will entail.
I've ridden a lot of the Trans Euro Trail, from north of the Arctic Circle to Southern Portugal with temperatures of between 4 degrees Celsius and wet to hovering around 40 degrees Celsius in blazing sun. I have exactly the same kit for any trip. Merino long vest and pants, knee braces, Adventure Spec Supershirt, puffy jacket that goes over the supershirt, Klim waterproofs, AS Tech 7 boots. If I'm expecting cold, a light close fitting windproof layer seals the Supershirt up nicely. If I'm mostly road, I'll swap out knee braces for Klim cargo pants and street boots, but for a long trip with variable weather, this kit works. A separate waterproof layer means my kit never wets out.
I have been battling this dilemma over the winter; I have only been riding a year and due to budget I basically have a riding shirt, Class A, and pants and I layer up for the cold or wet. This year I am going to try for a fitted mesh jacket at Class AA with CE2 armour and a roost protector with CE2 chest and back. The idea is, I can go base layer, mesh, roost protector for hot days or slow riding and carry my leather jacket or hi vis rain jacket to throw over top if the riding gets faster or the day gets cooler. If it is really cool I could probably go Mesh, Armour, Roost, Current Riding shirt, and wind
ain layer and be really toasty with multi layer protection.
I don't know but it is what I am going to try... Great video!
I got a KNOX shirt which is rated second degree protection armor AND abrasion. It is essential here in South Texas to have all the ventilation you can have. I have a sensitive neck which need to be protected from wind and sun. I add a light jacket layer over (bicycle jacket) with a high neck which would not be easy to find with the motorcycle brands. This cycling jacket is also designed for riding position and have a lowered back coverage and the other added gizmos for specialized comfort. I am strict to select full front zippers. I can keep the top layer over the safety shirt and the duo is put on in one go like an integrated jacket. As I do not use highway, this light setup works for me well. Thanks for being in my subscription list! 🙂
Great video!
I think it's good to have both options and wear what's fitting for the ride. Something to keep in mind is that in really hot/dry conditions at any sort of speed wearing a jacket is actually going to keep you cooler than a jersey or t-shirt or whatever. A jacket will help keep the sun off your skin and controlled ventilation will allow sweat to work more efficiently. A jersey or t-shirt or something will just let sweat dry off without a cooling effect.
Hey Ian. I go back and forth between both types of suits. Sometimes I still put a chest protector and elbow pads underneath klim jacket so I can lose it off road. Another big help has been the Mosko extotherm heated jacket as less layers are needed and it can also be easily shed. That and heated grips and seat. Allow the bike to provide thermal insulation so less is needed in your body.
Lately my house has given awesome thermal protection as I nurse a torn shoulder after surgery from sliding down the road and dislocating😂😢😢
Finally someone made this! Cheers. I wear separate armour but it's definitely not always convenient.
Hi Ian, you raised some excellent points, especially about ill fitting gear causing armour to move on impact, you still see riders with far to loose gear being worn, and hear in the UK what really upsets me is in the summer riders not wearing any protection at all. Never been much for legislation, but for me this should probably be an area it's needed. Thank you.
Thanks for making this video
Great job. Always my dilemma choosing to go separate armor or integrated jacket/pants.
This is excellent! Much obliged, friend
There's a really easy solution to your concern about a mesh pressure suit not having abrasion resistance: knox's urbane pro mk2. It's AA rated which is fine for adv riding. I was in a head on crash with my knox kit on, emerged mostly ok.
I've been in multiple low speed crashes as well and the armor works great for absorbing sharp rock hits.
Great video, explanation! For those shopping for gear, Walmart of all people, has Alpinestars Bionic Action MX Offroad Protection Jacket Camel/Black MD for $55.79
It would be interesting to hear youur thoughts on air bag vests and when and where they are appropriate. For me i tend to turn the tecair5 off when off road and rely on the armor. Thoughts?
Good video. Finding the right setup can be hard for a multi-day ride when you can go from 100f to 40f on the same day! I prefer integrated armor for long(multi day) rides, and separate armor for day rides. Either way, layers are key.
! good info thanks !
Great video 👍👍
great video. Thanks
I have my Dual sport system and ADV bike system in Australia. BUT I wear the same separate Armoured , As it’s a KNOX - Urban pro 2 it’s also abrasion resistant on Asphalt as well ( so one Separate Armoured does both ) Summer for both is easy , sweat shirt , Separate Armour and a Fox Legion- in the full or take off to Vest format - Dual sport , enduro and ADV I use the Fly Racing 2XL ( it’s a bit thinker and warmer and water resistant which is better for road and ADV - as a bonus can also take sleeves off and use as vest , With both just need to go up say 2 sizes ) I’m a large and will go up to say 2XL , trousers again Knox - for Dual sport , enduro Knox pants only - abrasion resistant as well - for the trips to the bush . Long Boots . ADV / Road riding my John Doe Stocker Cargo AAA rated and shorter boots - long trips walking around etc . And if it rains Road , ADV my Revit Dirt series- 100% waterproof apparently ( but it’s not 😂😂😂) and Dual Sport just a light weight pull over waterproof compact parts if need to put in backpack. And obviously what warm gear you want to put over Jacket on winter.And agree can be a pain laying over in Armour. Maybe 🤔 with full integrated Jacket in winter and UnderArmour in Summer ?
Awesome. I know this will be a good video
One parameter that made me switch to separate armor is packaging bulk.
Have a long trip planned.
Will encounter temperatures from freezing to desert.
Will bring mesh + Gore Tex + thermal layers. Without integrated armor it will take up less space and weigh less when packed.
If it's really hot I can ride in body armor only for upper body and mesh pants.
Excellent analysis and suggestions.
Ian, have you seen or tried the Kevlar pant and shirt ‘under’ garment that looks like a base layer? It fits under jeans or riding pants and under one’s jacket. I haven’t researched the product but it seems like a product that would certainly save one’s skin. Thoughts?
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I'm strictly a street rider and I've recently switched over (mostly) to the Knox "seasonless" (layering) system: separate armored shirts, knee armor, armored shorts, gloves, etc.
I got tired of the integrated knee armor never falling in the right place for my short legs, or just plain cheap & uncomfortable armor that won't stay put. Wish I'd switched to Knox years ago! Cons are that, as Ian says, it takes longer getting dressed to ride & can be warmer. Also, I have a couple close-fitting leather jackets under which I don't have room for an armored shirt & then I use a thin armor like Knox Microlock compact, Sas-tec, or D30 Ghost armor for elbows, shoulders and whatever good-quality back protector fits the pocket.
Lots of layering in the winter & mesh in the summer works well for the extreme annual temperature variations where I live.
My choice and imo the best option is basing my riding outfit around an armor jacket underneath a Rev'it Sierra Jersey. Its the only jersey I found that is certified abrasion resistand for street use. on top of the jersey I can layer my temperature control accordingly and finish it of with a weatherproof enduro jacket (with zip of sleeves). Gives you protection on and off road and I can use the layers to my advantage
Why isn't the amour considered abrasion resistant on its own? Is the argument that the material properties of the pads makes them immediately disintegrate? Hard to accept the pads aren't as good as abrasion resistant thin cloth. (I'm a layering guy)
@@RomulusReemusThere is actually abrasion resistant armor (I think I saw some from Scoot), but that was out of my budget. And yea, for abrasion resistance you need some woven fibres like aramid that don't melt and desintegrate with road contact. pads are usually just some sort of foam that are made for shock absorbtion. Imagine you're falling onto your mattress and dragging that same mattress behind a car and look at the damage. One thing is gonna work, the other won't
I switched to separate armor after a fall: I was wearing jacket with integrated armor and it moved out of the way during the fall and I needlessly hurt myself (I did a video on that). I really think separate armor is the way to go: I actually agree with your video that there are no real downsides to it (takes longer to put on or add layer doesn't really count as a downside, maybe just a slight inconvenience). Thank you for the great video!
Another option is something like the Adventure Spec supershirt. CE approved armour and abrasion resistance in a single baselayer top that you can put anything over the top of.
I think Mosko’s theme of non integrated padding is best for regulating heat. But I do think removable sleeves is the best way to reduce overheating without having to remove a coat on a warm day.
Great video!! I wear a Klim Baja jacket and use a layering scheme. I don't like wearing a rain jacket the entire time I'm riding. The Baja is better on both accounts. It's not a rain jacket and it is much cooler than a separate armor layer. A separate armor layer snug against the skin in hot, humid weather is miserable, just like an integrated suit with Gore-Tex or some other waterproof membrane. I remember a few years ago checking out the Mosko Moto Basilisk series. Overpriced (IMHO), waterproof, and no pockets to hold armor. Basically a GoreTex-like-shell-on-steroids price. For pants, I've found nothing that performs better safety-wise and is more comfortable that my AAA rated blue jeans, on- and off-road.
I bought my first jacket that had no armor slots and I wanted to add some, so I bought a street and steel riding jacket and d30 ghost pads.
I tell you, layering sucks, but that jacket was loose and comfortable fitting, so the shirt and ghost pads fit as nice as my other fully armored jacket.
Make sure you have mobility and feel good.
Thanks Ian 👍
One thing that never sits right with me is knee armour in an integrated pants, I need to find knee armour that I can use with multiple pants, something that fits to the body and is comfortable! if it's not comfortable I'm not wearing it.
Great video as always.
What gear would you suggest for summer riding in socal? New to the area and commute 90ish miles (55+ mph) round trip 4-5 days a week on my T7, but also want the gear to be usable when I take the bike offroad and into cooler weather diring the fall/winter. Leaning towards the Baja/Enduro S4 but now considering the Mosko setup as well. Love your channel and content. Keep up the good work. Thanks for any advice.
Exactly the topic we need. Looked at the Mosko gears and tempted to get them (yes I’m a bit spoiled I know) but can’t justify spending that much since I only do like 20% offroading.
Also another thing is you can’t really put a full armor jacket in moto bags, they’re very baggy. So can’t have them all I guess
For me, my base protection is an Icon Mesh AF jacket (hi-viz, of course) and Klim Induction pants. Excellent in hot weather. Additional, is a Thor Terrain jacket, which helps with colder weather and offers some rain protection, as it's only water resistant, but still has pretty excellent ventilation. If I really need to stay warm/dry, I'll add on my North Face ThermoBall Eco Shirt jacket under the Mesh AF, and Gore-Tex over pants. I wanted to have one set that would be adaptable to various conditions, without having to swap pieces out. So far, this setup has been great for me. Only time will tell if I need to make any additional changes.
I have found a cooling vest works very well in hot weather under my full water proof armored jacket. The one that I have is from a company in California called TECHNICHE and the vest is called HYPERKEWL evaporated cooling. It says on the vest to submerge in water for 1 to 2 minutes but I at one point had no way to do that so I lade it down on the pavement and poured a bottle of water over it very slowly to wet the whole vest and it worked very well for about 2 to 3 hours in 90 degree heat.
I tried Revit's Stratum this year, which implements some of these ideas. They didn't get everything right, but it's a step in the right direction. One thing not mentioned in the video that I hate about integrated suits is how unpackable they are when you have a day off or a ferry ride. I'll keep the Stratum jacket and separate armour with the pants for now.
I have integrated gear for the road or commuting, but when I am going off road, I wear a merino base layer on top with the forcefield ex-k system and a jacket with all armour removed, and fitted knee armour down bottom. Even though I'm in Australia with generally higher temps, the merino works well in regulating temp, but if it gets too hot and I'm going slow, I just remove the jacket. So, both. Works well for me.
I have the MSR explorer suit and in the summer I do separate armor so I can wear a jersey underneath for off road. In the winter I’ll wear the armor in the suit since it’s not warm enough to need a jersey only so it’s the best of both worlds.
I have a Mosko kit I wear on my dirt bike and would love to get the basilisk once they add armor pockets for the occasions I want armor in it like mostly street or winter
Thanks for all these rapid-fire gear reviews and advice! I'd like to know what your view on neck braces and knee braces are, including necessity and gear compatibility (esp. pants that are made to accomodate knee braces). I notice you never wear neither, even on your more hardcore offroad outings. Is it because even then, the risk level does not justify their use?
If there's any chance I'm heading for dirt or on a long trip: Adventure Specs Super Shirt (high abrasion rating plus AA), plus my own layering gear (no different than if I went skiing). In the city or commuting: integrated armor in leather jacket or mesh jacket.
Bowtex and ADV Supershirt should also be considered. I have the Bowtex Elite Shirt and pant and they are great! AAA rated, very light weight, and cool to the skin.
Damn that Bowtex looks great with AAA and also belt loops and long back. Jacket doesn’t come w all padding though, have to order those separately I think (back plate). But looks great. Adv super shirt looks like Revit nucleus which I have w CE AA rating. I use a class B mesh dirt jersey over my nucleus, but it doesn’t have that belt loop connector so can’t be AAA
Has anyone owned both Bowtex and super shirt?
I would like to hear about their fit (us vs euro, long vs short arm), ability to flow air, comments on armour, and weight (with and without armour).
It seems this solution; ce rated, next to skin suit/armour is the way to go!
This is obviously a paid ad for Mosko Moto, but the Adventure Spec SuperShirt solves most of cons of the separate armor.
I'd love to see a moto adventure series from you, some kind of adv trip where you bring us along
I've done several of those, check my playlists
❤ your content man 🇿🇼🇿🇼🇿🇼
I rely on my street gear with armour built in, separate back protector, knee and elbow protectors. I've had the built in elbow armour move when falling on the dirt, ending up with small tendon tear. I have multiple jackets for different weather conditions. I'm a big guy, very broad across the shoulders and I have a lot of trouble finding body armour that fits, and jackets that are large enough.
While I enjoy your riding videos, this is one of your best yet. You presented both sides of the argument and leave it to the viewer to decide which is best for them.
I started adventure biking a few years ago and bought the integrated gear. Reasons were that was what I thought you were “supposed to wear”. This summer I will invest in regular dirt bike gear. I think both gear types are needed, at least where I ride in SoCal. I under the budget concerns for some people but you don’t have to buy everything all at once.
Another great video. I was wondering what to do with my BMW Rallye and rallye 3 pants and a few other very nicely made, but all with knee protectors (although quality made), dangling under knee where they were supposed to staz in crash conditions and not while sitting on the bike, when they usually stay in place. So I removed protectors and started using other knee protectors under the pants. Unlike Dainese where they stay in place no matter what I m doing, walking, riding, goofing around.
I think there´s a good oportunity for you to review a few more examples of abrasion+armour mesh gear. Like Knox Urbane Pro MK3, Adventure Spec Supershirt, Pando Moto Commando, Bowtex Elite and Richa Bodyguard 2.
Strikes me stange Revit didn´t put abrasion resistance on their pressure suit or at least a varant with it
I also wish there were some better weather jackets out there. Either i get a slim packlight one or i would actually apreciate vent zippers on a separate rain layer for those half warm rides
Thank you for this video, Ian. I'm currently in this debacle right now.
What would you recommend for an Over Shell that's not the $600+ Basilisk?
I am willing to go without the waterproofing, I just need to go with an abrasion-resistant jacket to go over my separate armor.
I do not own all this gear yet but my plan is to buy the Pando Moto Commando shirt which is AAA (similar to Bowtex Elite and Knox Honnister) and for adventure riding that involves off road wear a hard armor back and chest protector over that and for strictly road riding wear a Helite air bag vest instead of the hard armor. I want to be as protected as possible but I am also a total wimp when it comes to heat. This seems to be the best set up so far. My next choice would be the new REV'IT Nucleus jacket (AA rated) with one of their DIRT series jerseys that are B rated (equivalent to A I believe). The REV'IT jacket has more impact protection than the other options (Bowtex, Knox, and Pando Moto).
Thanks for video.
Could use advice on my planned setup.
Im a beginner, riding mostly road/gravel and do city runs, climate could be similar to coasts in northern part of US, in riding seasons temperatures are from a bit above freezing, i dont ride on ice, to ~90F with frequent light rain, but rarely heavy.
I cant afford multiple sets of good gear and weather here can change fast from 60F in the early morning to 90 during day to rain in the evening, so my idea is something like knox urbane pro for upper protection and abrasion resistance, enough for hot days, then some outer jacket without armor like mosko, adventurespec etc. for mid layer something like adventurespec baltic insulated jacked over knox. for pants im considering some non mesh, non goretex pants with light rain resistance(the type you dont seem to like as much) but here it isnt as hot, for hot days i can use motorcycle jeans. that should cover non heavy rain, for heavy rain just inexpensive rain gear i can put on over everything.
changing layers on upper body seems easier so layering and cooling from there, pants are harder to layer and are protected a bit by bike so general use gear there.
for boots i have SG12 for offroad and considering revit discovery/pioneer for touring
Helpful video for jackets. Any thoughts on integrated vs separate for pants? It’s not exactly the same, right? You’d have knee/shin armor and you’d need a padded girdle for hips/tail pads, all under abrasion-resistant pants. At least that’s how I’d imagine it… what do you think?
One other question: I haven’t seen CE L2 armor for the separate jacket armor configuration, but it’s common for integrated jacket. Am I not looking at the right vendors, or is that another trade-off?
Thoroughly useful! I am a new rider, getting my first bike on Sunday (F650GS Dakar) and I have been wondering what gear to get. I think I will be doing 50/50 on/off-road and in warm to hot conditions. After watching this, I think I will go for separate armor with some abrasion resistance thinner jacket on top when going onto the pavement. I can easily strap such a jacket to the back of the bike when I hop into dirt. Now the question is what the abrasion resistance jacket should be. I would want something thinner with no armor, just asphalt rash protection. I would appreciate any tips on that.
I’ve been riding with an Aerostitch Darien Lite suit for the past four years. It works well for road riding with it’s Velcro in pads. It is comfortable in most temperatures with proper base layers but as you noted they may not always stay in place in a crash. They’re not the most stylish but do work well. Tightening the Velcro adjustments help with pad stabilization but restricts airflow especially in the sleeves. The very large side and back vents are outstandingly efficient. Have you ever evaluated an Aerostitch suit? I’d be interested on your take as I can’t test the range you do. I also have a Motoport Difi jacket from the 1990sthat is wonderfully protective but requires the gortex liner and even then won’t stand a long downpour. Just a few of my thoughts. By the way, I ride a BMW F750GS, Kawasaki KLX 300(2021) ,Harley trike and a Honda PCX150 and am 82 years old.
Abrasion-resistant armored vests? Was that mentioned or did I miss it? Perfect solution.
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the revit nucleus. Personally wish I knew about it before I purchased my proteus.
So good
I have multiple of both, I usually ride motorway to the mountains and then dirt from there, but because my road skills are better than my off-road skills, and because it’s often hot here in Tennessee, I almost always end up with separate armor and Mosko gear. It’s easier to control varied temps when working hard (I ride a GSA) with separate armor and gear.
Right on!
This year i try the Alpinestars Bogota. Not for cold German Winter but for Spring Summer Autmn. So you can carry the Water Wind resist jacket in THE POCKET of the Jacket until its raining.
But i dont know if the trousers works the same
really like the channel and your views on this subject - I follow same approach, the gear I choose to wear depends on the planned ride and elements to be encountered. I believe you should include @bohnbodyarmor in the discussion as well. I discovered them a few months back when looking to replace the armor in the leather jacket I wear during daily (cool/cold weather) commute and living in NC, have quickly become a big fan. I'm now wearing their gear on pretty much every ride, as a separate and sometimes only top whether on- or off-road. I even wear their cold weather fleece, or mesh, under that same leather jacket.
A review of different separate armour brands would be awesome….revit vs forcefield vs adventure spec for example
I'd avoid wearing a mid layer under your amor as it will get compressed and see it's insulation factor reduced by the fitting shirt. That's an issue if you use a puffy down jacket of course.
I consider the protection as a base layer in itself when it comes to wearing separate armor. Less stuff under it means it always fit where it should as well.
Nothing is perfect, but I have found my Aerostich Roadcrafter one piece suit has worked quite well under every situation I have found myself in for almost 25 years. Made in USA and they will repair damage [for a fee]. Waterproof and durable. On road and off road. Good stuff.
This is SO interesting Ian, incredible job!!! I0m convinced now to go for the internal armor setup 💭
EDIT: Episode with Joe Rogan soon? hahahha it would be so nice XDXD
Pando Moto and the Adventure Spec super shirt add abrasion resistance in a layerable product. But still not super breathable. Light weight wind breakers and puffy jackets over the Compression armour is a great way to add warmth without taking it off
I've got to disagree with you re breathability of the Adv Spec Supershirt. I'm not sold on Adv Spec. I think it is over priced, and my brand of choice is Alpinestar. But the Supershirt does flow a lot of air at any riding speed. The mesh works well with a pertex layers if the weather gets cold. The black colour does draw heat so I wear a white overshirt, a fine Finnish ice hockey shirt. Hyvää Suomi. In temperate weather, Klim Dakar. In wet weather, an overshell. In cold, wet weather, puffy and overshell. This set up has worked from wet Wales, to thundery Arctic Finland, to scorching Morocco.
Ian, I've got two integrated armor jackets one for colder/rainy weather and a mesh version. My Issue is neither has any chest protection this is the missing link in my setup. What are the options for just chest and what do you recommend? Thanks
Riding in the desert southwest, mesh gear for roads, t shirt when offroad.
I am using the Knox urbane pro mk 3 at the minute, I'm not sure if it is available in the USA, but I find it to be a good compromise between both setups.
I have a Leatt 5.5 body armor and a Moose Racing armored mesh shirt, in addition to armored shorts and Leatt knee guards. I wear this armor over a base seasonal base layer. Depending on the season\weather and ride type I have different pants and jackets to wear over the armor. I am on the hunt for a waterproof \vented jacket shell. I find the integrated armor suits are far too hot to wear in all but the coldest conditions, for me I need layers I can remove or put on as conditions change.
Seems the best of both is both. Separate armor could be rolled, folded or packed and switch with integrated jacket so basically carry one of each? So you ride to the trail in street armor and swap to dirt armor on the trails?
The problem with armor is that the protection included in mass consumer gear is only rated to protect against impact half the force value it takes to break a bone, mitigating it's value proposition
entirely.
Most comfy System for me builds around the KLIM Marrakesh upgraded with Level 2 Ghost armor. Is it hot: Klim -1 Base and Marrakesh. Does it get chilly KLIM Zephyr under the Marrakesh. If it gets cold I have a slim down jacket to put under and merino wool baselayer. In Case of Rain Scott Rainjacket/pants over and honestly for pants I love the John Doe riding jeans which are single layer but AAA and level 2 ghost armor.
Awesome setup
integrated armor suits generally have way better pocket options.
There are some layered armor jackets that do have AAA rating like the Knox honister, although I wish they would have an over jacket with TPU or super fabric for proper slide durability.
Thoughts on air vest ??
How about the pants part when trying to decide to go for modular vs integrated? Last year i tried some kneebraces with is supposed to be the best when going dualsport/adventure but i couldnt find any good roadpants to combine with