I think Tesla expects people to be either a bit Tech savvy or become Tech savvy by watching others(it's the reason they don't advertise). I mean there are so many clever tricks, easter eggs hidden in Tesla, one has to dig deep to utilize the full potential.
@@Amuzic_Earth I think most Tesla owners would think "Shit my car won't charge" and start to panic! 😁 Would be super easy for Tesla to add the message.
I am testing actually my 2020 Model 3 LR and an ID3 with heat pump at -5°C @110km/h. The M3 20,5kWh/100km and the ID3 28kWh/100km included charging loss.
Lesson learned. Make sure your plastic hot water bag doesn’t leak! This video turned out to be very informative for cold weather charging. Heating the cabin with back seats down is a great tip that can save your bacon.
Hi Bjorn, thanks a lot for last three videos! Itś shows that this model 3 is near to resolves issue battery vs cold. I hope that Tesla understand soon and implemented manual starting batery heating especialy if batery has still 68 %. Great job.
Just preheat the car and it’ll you’ll literally never experience the problem bjorn does. He literally wants to test the limit and even so the car is performing really well in such cold!
Very interesting, thank you, nice data. Max, afterburner power. I really like to know what a E-tron does with freezing cold battery plugged in, how long till it charges(battery heater is available), or does it charge faster as the competition right from the start again? I remember the good old times with Optimus prime at -38 degrees, max. battery performance and we got max. Supercharger speed right away because the battery was perfectly pre conditioned, with 0 issues on the charging port or anything. A beast! Unbeatable car and charging network. Let's just hope the v3 Superchargers are coming fast. Tesla sharing is not caring.
@@mattaut88 With the Tesla heat pump you have basically more Energy available, without increasing the battery capacity.(very cost-efficient) Very clever and nice. A example: You charge to 100%, precondition the battery as warm as possible at home with the car plugged in. You drive to your favourite camping destination and camp in the car overnight. You arrive with 90% SOC and the battery is still very warm. This heat is now used by Tesla to heat the cabin, therefore needing less energy, till the battery goes down to 5,5 degrees. Normally you would drive way more to recharge and therefore the battery would be warm just because you drive it there, so this is just a worst case example. The other point of heatpump is to save money and the planet. While Supercharging the battery heats up and that heat is not lost now, it's used to heat the cabin. The new cells can take full speed at very low temperatures, very nice for low degradation and charging speed, so not much energy must be put back to heat the battery, most of it is probably coming from the warm motors from the drive anyway. It all makes sense and is very nice. Elon said the heatpump has a live expectancy of about 15 years. So good enough. In Germany we have insane energy prices every little bit helps. Glad that this is standard in every 3/Y now and probably S/X soon. Also bioweapon defence mode is coming to the Berlin Y and heated steering wheel. Just gets better and better with Tesla...
The scan my Tesla 2.0 UI is so hard to interpret. The original UI was perfect! I don’t know why that decision was made, have you seen it? I’m curious what your opinion is.
i just remembered that you have soundproofing in you M3P .. do you "miss" it / hear the difference when you drive with the 2021 model ? (i know that too many variables have changed to make a fundamental statement but nontheless i would like to hear your opinion)
Hi Bjorn. I have a 2021 Tesla 3LR and my girl a brand new Kia e-Niro. I find her’s a lot more effeicient than mine... The discharge in the parked Tesla is way higher than Kia and also while driving. Wonder why... I also have a question: How can I preheat the battery before charging at a public 50kW charger? Thank you for many informative videos! Thomas in Gothenburg
Iced up plug. Microwave heating pad might be a better "solution" (solution not liquid 😄). If you commuted in a Tesla in extreme cold to a place without a charger and let the car sit for 8 or 10 hours or overnight I think you would be screwed.
Mom and dad: NEVER EVER MIX electricity and water! Bjørn: Shttt, where should I put this leaking plastic bag full of hot water? hmmm.. what about this thing where a 100+ kWh cable and a giant electric battery connect! ... Tesla: Theoretically, what could they do with our cars in Norway? Hmm... let's add some air vents to the charger port. "just in case"
Destination charging 2Kw: 1 Kw charging and 1Kw to keep the battery from freezing. Suddenly the efficiency difference between ICE and EV is a lot closer to each other then before.
@@bjornnyland Yes EV is almost always more efficient, but you mention that you are driving at summer consumption, 165 i think it was, but the real number is more then 200, because in minus degrees the Tesla has a hole in the Gas tank, because it needs to keep the battery happy by heating it. The 2021 model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery, you showed a couple of days ago, could really be suffering in this cold.
I thought there an update very recently that stopped the Model 3's charge port from locking when below certain temperatures? The CCS locking pins get frozen in place apparently. :)
Would it be very difficult for Tesla to put some logic in the charging app/charging station to notify the owner of the car that heshe is getting half the capacity due to both a and b posts being taken? They do have this info, so I don't understand why not use it in this manner.
This happened to me the first drive from home after taking delivery and going to my appointment for changing too winter tiers. It was - 20c and tesla had washed the car... What can possibly go wrong. 😂
13:54 I think it is a bad design choice to have the D for drive mode in blue color right on top of the green headlamp icon. One might mistake the D for high beams!
U can usually tell by if you are moving forward or backwards. And the lights and high beams/low beams are all automatic so even if I wasn't just messing with you and being a smart ass it doesn't seem to be an issue that I've noticed while driving mine. It does sometimes seem to take two clicks to go into drive though which is a bit annoying
My guess is most people won’t have that problem since they won’t be holding a bag of hot water on the charger plug considering hot water freezes faster than cold water it’s not a good idea.
For reference, I was in like 3 degree weather at a super charger on my model 3 and it also would not unplug even though I told it to. It took 5 attempts and eventually it let go. No idea why as it was not iced and car had been in garage above 0 all night. Very odd.
Hi, can you please do similar test also with ID.3 Max, when there is these real Nordic winter temperatures (-20˚C or so). I think there is quite many persons who˚s interested for this test, at least in Nordic countries.
How is the autopilot in model 3 working on Icy and snow roads, it seems that you are using autopilot even when the road is not compleatly visible. Can you give us a test of that.
Autopilot sees drivable surfaces and can make up lanes like a human driver. That’s why it can also drive on dirt roads. What it doesn’t do is drive differently in snow which needs to be updated!
Bjorn, you must have a lot of confidence in the car, -26C can be dangerous if the car fails... For heating the chargeplug, maybe somebody makes small 12V electric blankets? Something similar is already installed in heated seats. You could wrap such a blanket around the chargeplug and power it from a 12V socket inside the car. Maybe it is a nice idea for an aftermarket accessory product? 😉
He explained it in the previous video, Ionity charger has a sensor that limits it from delivering full power in colder condition. The trick is to heat up the nozzle somehow...according to ionity. If you ask me, it's a shortcoming they need to solve. Lower temperature is actually better for electricals as the resistance is low..meaning more efficiency, so one wouldn't expect the power delivery to be limited. But, my speculation is the low resistance has a potential to overrun some sophisticated electronics in the chip, that usually run on very low power. If you ask me..that's a limitation that they are aware of and can be solved.
I got 392 in my Tesla Model 3 SR last night over about 60 miles... I assume in the UK its per 100 miles not km which explains the difference as its almost twice what this test was in better conditions? This is driving around town and cross country but I have a heavy right foot as refuse to drive slowly just because its electric...
It's already heated, as explained and shown in this video. Tesla is in fact the only car manufacturer that has heated charte port. Nowadays I see lots of posts in various other EV groups where people in Norway have problems with frozen charge ports.
Remember that we have built up kinetic energi in the car: 87 km/h = 24 m/s Kinetic energy = 1/2 * mv² = 1/2 * 2000 kg * (24 m/s)² = 0.576 MJ = 0.16 kWh That energy divided by 4.8 km is: 160 Wh / 4.8 km = 33 Wh/km And there's also an elevation difference between Alvdal (469 m) and that spot (538 m) = 69 m diff The extra potential energy is: U = mgh U = 2000 kg * 9.81 m/s² * 69 m = 1.4 MJ = 0.376 kWh That energy divided by 4.8 km is: 376 Wh / 4.8 km = 78 Wh/km So these two combined is: 78 Wh/km + 33 Wh/km = 111 Wh/km Because the distance is short then the potential energy and kitetic energy makes a bigger impact. As we drive, it will be evened out. And of course, when we slow down, we get the kinetic energy back. And when we descend, we also get the potential energy back. That's how physics works.
@@bjornnyland Thank you for this scientific and detailed answer. As medical doctor I have little clue of physics ☺️ but I understand the formula! It is a great video, even though in Germany it is unlikely to face such temperatures 😉! It is impressive how good the m3 works in deep winter.
I have a question, and it's probably important: If your battery gets cold, do you lose energy, or do you only lose power? IOW if you re-warm the battery, do you get the same SOC that you had before you chilled the battery?
Wondering if there’s any truth to those rumours about Tesla going to sell home HVAC systems. Apparently they are thinking about using the octovalve technology for this supposedly new system. Would it make sense? Anyway, nice video and looking forward to comparison with e-Niro :) My 2020 model had been very efficient in winter, but of course our winter has not been colder than 1 Celsius... But it has also been very humid and normally in that temp range heat pumps tend to be less efficient because of freezing vaporator. But still getting an average of about 210 Wh/km...
8valve is a compact unit for distributing coolant/heat to different recipients with differing requirements. (Eg battery needs cooling, occupants need heat) Sure, their competency in HVAC can be of benefit. But for homes, extreme space saving and multi-flow are not prioritized (my assumption)
@@boostav I am surprised by the cold weather related issues Bjorn has found with Tesla M3, and there are numerous reports of the heat pump not working in very cold climate, supposedly because of a faulty sensor. I was under the impression that Tesla did a ton of testing in Alaska for cold weather performance yet we keep hearing about non-working heater, frozen charge ports, etc. Tesla engineers need to travel and live a little outside of California. Too much group thinking as far as I can see.
@@lastlondon Did you even watch the video? The faulty sensor was on the Ionity charger not the Model 3, that's why he had to put the hot bag of water on the cable's plug. The issue was the bag leaked water and at -24c it quite obviously froze. Tesla's Superchargers worked just fine in those conditions.
@@boostav yes I saw the video, and he alluded to the water bag issue at the end. Not sure what if there is anything to conclude on the supercharger given that there wasn't any water that leaked there, and also Bjorn mentioned there wasn't any moving pieces on the male part of the plugs (on either of the chargers he used, only the receiver has a lock mechanism), so if anything that strongly hints that either some water leaked into the plug on his first charge and froze, or indeed the receiver on the car was frozen from overnight and the hot air in the car that made it into the boot had sufficiently warmed the car after the first charge.
@@lastlondon It's not hard to understand, the water bag leaked and so the water trickled into the port locking mechanism and froze, which happens very quickly at -24c. That can happen on any car. As others have already mentioned there's also an emergency release latch that he didn't know about, so you wouldn't even have to do what he did as you'd pull on it and the lock mechanism would release.
I have been wondering for a long time how e-golf or e-up can be charged (given no active cooling or heating the HV battery) if they have been left unused for some time (whole night or day) at hard winter climate?! May be VW li-ion chemistry mix is more telerant to low temperature charging than Tesla?
@@marcel151 it's absolutely true, but the question was about the chemistry difference and the respective cold battery charge algorithm. Tesla would not charge at all if it was left at freezing temperatures with let's say 3 - 5% remaining battery charge and the only charge option is 230V 16A home outlet, because 3KW of heating power would not be enough to warm up the HV battery. That would be scary if there is no faster charge option.
I just saw a guy from Spain claming that Ionity is a scam, because with 3° c two Ionity chargers delivered only 18 KW to his M3P after having drove 15 min from his home. No more data were provided as this fellow did not use scan my tesla or any other app. Could it be true that the could sensor problem affects the charger at that temperature?
@@asaha7547 Could be, but after 18 to 20 minutes of charging, the power delivered was still at 18Kw. Then he showed that going to a supercharger near by, less than 10 kms, the car was getting more, arroung 48kw.
Bjorn explained this in the last video, ionity has a temp sensor reading which is inaccurate, once they fix that it should charge at the same rate as supercharger!
@@harsimranbansal5355 yeah he did, I was asking if that not nearly cold temp +3 degrees Celsius could affect them that much as the -22 he was testing them on in his video.
@@abraxastulammo9940 because the Spanish guy said that he had 60 ich state of charge. On model 3 performance with that state of charge it should be charging between 48 to 68 kw depending on battery temp
Does that problem only belong to the new standard range + models with the new LithiumI-ronphosphate Batteries?? If its for all im scared to do a road trip to scandinavia in winter :D
@@maxencesimonart4302 Yes, that‘s why the car uses the PTC for helping the heatpump to create heat when it‘s very cold. The car still has a PTC. Similar as the heatpump in our house. When the heatpump can‘t get enough heat out of the earth as desired it uses the additional „normal“ heater.
3 of your tire sensors are not working ... You should tell people that. It is most likely the battery, or sometimes in the cold, the sensors fail. You should get them checked out. I know - they are not cheap. Why did you not try to open the charge port mechanism from inside the car?
Hey Bjorn when you have little charge left turn off the heater and speed the car until you reach charger but if you are in snowy road decease the screen brightness and try to drive behind any car to reduce air resistance. Ppease make your vids around 30 min long.🇮🇳🇳🇴🇹🇭
Happened to me last night also with the frozen charing port.. Just pulled the emergency release wire in the trunk, done in 20 sec
Bjorn should do a video on this...
Video showing how this is done: ua-cam.com/video/yfzbueYfnag/v-deo.html
Hva var egentlig rekkevidden på den? Og hvordan sammenligner den mot forrige generasjon i liknende forhold?
use the emergency release pull on the inside of the trunk. It's mentioned in the Owners Manual. Maybe you can do a video on how to find and use it.
Mom: kids don't play with water and electricity
Bjorn: LOL
Thankfully , Bjorn didn't use the charging cable handle as a urinal.
Why don't Tesla make a pop up message saying it is heating the battery so normal people (you are special Bjorn) know why it's not charging yet.
I think Tesla expects people to be either a bit Tech savvy or become Tech savvy by watching others(it's the reason they don't advertise). I mean there are so many clever tricks, easter eggs hidden in Tesla, one has to dig deep to utilize the full potential.
@@Amuzic_Earth I think most Tesla owners would think "Shit my car won't charge" and start to panic! 😁
Would be super easy for Tesla to add the message.
tesla expects that you only use supercharger. If you navigate to supercharger there is no coldgating.
if you look the app it shows a battery icon aside to climate control : this is showing the battery heating.
Because in California it never freezes
Tesla cleverly added panel gaps to defreeze charging ports XD
Nice
Theres panel gaps on every car. Youre not original. Youre just a parrot copying what others tell you.
@@thoth3270 Check the panel gaps on the 2021 Model 3 trunk and report back. Never seen anything like that on another car!
@@thoth3270 relax it's just a joke
@@Maximiliano.Montero haha indeed, I am a Tesla fanboy, but this is clearly just for fun ;p
Some people
Good testing as always! Very efficient car in low temperatures. Waiting for that e-Niro test, hopefully there is similar conditions.
I am also waiting for the eNiro sleeping test with and without a heat pump
@@piotreksz5713 and hope Bjørn cover up the windows and floor as he did with the Tesla. Just to make it a fair..
@@venti4268 I hope too... :-)
I am testing actually my 2020 Model 3 LR and an ID3 with heat pump at -5°C @110km/h. The M3 20,5kWh/100km and the ID3 28kWh/100km included charging loss.
Has the heatpump behaviour in the ID3 been patched yet? Nextmove did some tests and the ID3 *with* heatpump consumed more than one without.
Amazing video. Many thx to all your effort doing camping in Winter. Well done and convincing that Tesla can be used at very low temperatures
Lesson learned. Make sure your plastic hot water bag doesn’t leak! This video turned out to be very informative for cold weather charging. Heating the cabin with back seats down is a great tip that can save your bacon.
Those hand warmers where you push a metal disc and they then release heat for 10-15 min are great at defrosting things.
Hi Bjorn,
thanks a lot for last three videos! Itś shows that this model 3 is near to resolves issue battery vs cold. I hope that Tesla understand soon and implemented manual starting batery heating especialy if batery has still 68 %. Great job.
Just preheat the car and it’ll you’ll literally never experience the problem bjorn does. He literally wants to test the limit and even so the car is performing really well in such cold!
Very interesting, thank you, nice data. Max, afterburner power. I really like to know what a E-tron does with freezing cold battery plugged in, how long till it charges(battery heater is available), or does it charge faster as the competition right from the start again?
I remember the good old times with Optimus prime at -38 degrees, max. battery performance and we got max. Supercharger speed right away because the battery was perfectly pre conditioned, with 0 issues on the charging port or anything. A beast! Unbeatable car and charging network.
Let's just hope the v3 Superchargers are coming fast. Tesla sharing is not caring.
yeah, have not found out the purpose of sucking heat out and then bringing it back again.
@@mattaut88 With the Tesla heat pump you have basically more Energy available, without increasing the battery capacity.(very cost-efficient) Very clever and nice. A example: You charge to 100%, precondition the battery as warm as possible at home with the car plugged in. You drive to your favourite camping destination and camp in the car overnight. You arrive with 90% SOC and the battery is still very warm. This heat is now used by Tesla to heat the cabin, therefore needing less energy, till the battery goes down to 5,5 degrees. Normally you would drive way more to recharge and therefore the battery would be warm just because you drive it there, so this is just a worst case example. The other point of heatpump is to save money and the planet. While Supercharging the battery heats up and that heat is not lost now, it's used to heat the cabin. The new cells can take full speed at very low temperatures, very nice for low degradation and charging speed, so not much energy must be put back to heat the battery, most of it is probably coming from the warm motors from the drive anyway. It all makes sense and is very nice. Elon said the heatpump has a live expectancy of about 15 years. So good enough. In Germany we have insane energy prices every little bit helps. Glad that this is standard in every 3/Y now and probably S/X soon. Also bioweapon defence mode is coming to the Berlin Y and heated steering wheel. Just gets better and better with Tesla...
@@abraxastulammo9940 It uses the 69.420 particles it collected and shoots them. Solves everything. (;
Fantastic test. I like that films. Please, do the same sleeping test for KIA Niro with and without heat pump and compare...
Excellent! Already looking forward to the e-Niro
Great 👍 interesting looking forward to report on E Nero as I have had a E Nero 4 for nearly a year.
Bjørn could you put which car is this in the description? is it a model 3 LR or a SR+ with LFP?
The scan my Tesla 2.0 UI is so hard to interpret. The original UI was perfect! I don’t know why that decision was made, have you seen it? I’m curious what your opinion is.
What about a 12V heater for the trunk to heat up the charge port, hah!
do peugeot e-208 in the winter
Yeah... the locking mechanism is on the top of the plug... was not so clever to pour water over it... 😂🤷🏻♂️
Correct
i just remembered that you have soundproofing in you M3P .. do you "miss" it / hear the difference when you drive with the 2021 model ?
(i know that too many variables have changed to make a fundamental statement but nontheless i would like to hear your opinion)
In Canada we keep the cable underneath our arm pit or between our leg to warm it. Or you train your domestic polar bear to do so.
Hi Bjorn. I have a 2021 Tesla 3LR and my girl a brand new Kia e-Niro. I find her’s a lot more effeicient than mine... The discharge in the parked Tesla is way higher than Kia and also while driving. Wonder why... I also have a question: How can I preheat the battery before charging at a public 50kW charger?
Thank you for many informative videos!
Thomas in Gothenburg
Do you have sentry mode on? If yes then that explains a lot of the extra drain.
navigate to the supercharger and cancel before charging at public charger
@@KubaJurkowski How? If the SuC is 150 km away and the public charger is 40 km away, then the preheating will not start...
@@PhillipStewartYYZ No, not anymore. I do not use Sentry mode, because I need the battery to be properly calibrated.
@@thogler1 oh ok that changes things. I don't know how to do that then.
my God, cold weather has so many issues. Its 24 degrees Celsius here. Haha.!
Iced up plug. Microwave heating pad might be a better "solution" (solution not liquid 😄).
If you commuted in a Tesla in extreme cold to a place without a charger and let the car sit for 8 or 10 hours or overnight I think you would be screwed.
Mom and dad: NEVER EVER MIX electricity and water!
Bjørn: Shttt, where should I put this leaking plastic bag full of hot water? hmmm.. what about this thing where a 100+ kWh cable and a giant electric battery connect!
...
Tesla: Theoretically, what could they do with our cars in Norway? Hmm... let's add some air vents to the charger port. "just in case"
NEVER EVER MIX up kW and kWh!!!111
ua-cam.com/video/uQvnEso4mUA/v-deo.html
@@bjornnyland Typo! 😂
Nice day for driving
Destination charging 2Kw: 1 Kw charging and 1Kw to keep the battery from freezing.
Suddenly the efficiency difference between ICE and EV is a lot closer to each other then before.
This is corner case. For the rest of the year, EVs beat fossil car in efficiency. Big time.
@@bjornnyland Yes EV is almost always more efficient, but you mention that you are driving at summer consumption, 165 i think it was, but the real number is more then 200, because in minus degrees the Tesla has a hole in the Gas tank, because it needs to keep the battery happy by heating it.
The 2021 model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery, you showed a couple of days ago, could really be suffering in this cold.
I thought there an update very recently that stopped the Model 3's charge port from locking when below certain temperatures? The CCS locking pins get frozen in place apparently. :)
you do not need to fold the seats. You had all the rest correct. Fun videos!
Would it be very difficult for Tesla to put some logic in the charging app/charging station to notify the owner of the car that heshe is getting half the capacity due to both a and b posts being taken? They do have this info, so I don't understand why not use it in this manner.
ITs weird seing nice snow cover and cold clear winter weather in the south, while here in norther norway its raining and no snow.
Hej Bjorn! Can u please do an test on the MIC M3 SR+ with the LFP Battery?
Nebbenes is the spot.
This happened to me the first drive from home after taking delivery and going to my appointment for changing too winter tiers. It was - 20c and tesla had washed the car... What can possibly go wrong. 😂
OMG, Xpeng teased us with a new car on twitter today. Would be nice to hear your thoughts in a video!
13:54 I think it is a bad design choice to have the D for drive mode in blue color right on top of the green headlamp icon. One might mistake the D for high beams!
U can usually tell by if you are moving forward or backwards. And the lights and high beams/low beams are all automatic so even if I wasn't just messing with you and being a smart ass it doesn't seem to be an issue that I've noticed while driving mine. It does sometimes seem to take two clicks to go into drive though which is a bit annoying
Is this the model 3 LR? So what was the result, how many KM range is there in -25C?
My guess is most people won’t have that problem since they won’t be holding a bag of hot water on the charger plug considering hot water freezes faster than cold water it’s not a good idea.
For reference, I was in like 3 degree weather at a super charger on my model 3 and it also would not unplug even though I told it to. It took 5 attempts and eventually it let go. No idea why as it was not iced and car had been in garage above 0 all night. Very odd.
Hi, can you please do similar test also with ID.3 Max, when there is these real Nordic winter temperatures (-20˚C or so). I think there is quite many persons who˚s interested for this test, at least in Nordic countries.
How is the autopilot in model 3 working on Icy and snow roads, it seems that you are using autopilot even when the road is not compleatly visible. Can you give us a test of that.
Radar vs Camera
Autopilot sees drivable surfaces and can make up lanes like a human driver. That’s why it can also drive on dirt roads. What it doesn’t do is drive differently in snow which needs to be updated!
Bjorn, you must have a lot of confidence in the car, -26C can be dangerous if the car fails...
For heating the chargeplug, maybe somebody makes small 12V electric blankets? Something similar is already installed in heated seats.
You could wrap such a blanket around the chargeplug and power it from a 12V socket inside the car.
Maybe it is a nice idea for an aftermarket accessory product? 😉
Not at all. I brought hot water, lots of warm blankets, extension cord and 2000 W heater.
@@bjornnyland thats good. Mine is parked at SC due to failing heat pump (no heat in cabin)
Thanks for the Video Björn. Amy reason why Super charger deliver more jiuce than the ionity charger?
He explained it in the previous video, The Ionity charger has issues with a temp sensor in the plug.
He explained it in the previous video, Ionity charger has a sensor that limits it from delivering full power in colder condition. The trick is to heat up the nozzle somehow...according to ionity. If you ask me, it's a shortcoming they need to solve. Lower temperature is actually better for electricals as the resistance is low..meaning more efficiency, so one wouldn't expect the power delivery to be limited. But, my speculation is the low resistance has a potential to overrun some sophisticated electronics in the chip, that usually run on very low power. If you ask me..that's a limitation that they are aware of and can be solved.
Thanks guys for the answer. And agreed: ionity needs to fix this asap.
Was this the one with LG batteries?
What is the meaning of "regen" ?
I got 392 in my Tesla Model 3 SR last night over about 60 miles... I assume in the UK its per 100 miles not km which explains the difference as its almost twice what this test was in better conditions? This is driving around town and cross country but I have a heavy right foot as refuse to drive slowly just because its electric...
What about the release latch in the truck to release plug?
Tesla needs to add a heater for the charge port and door. They could be on demand use instead of always on.
It's already heated, as explained and shown in this video. Tesla is in fact the only car manufacturer that has heated charte port. Nowadays I see lots of posts in various other EV groups where people in Norway have problems with frozen charge ports.
@@bjornnyland thanks for the reply. I must have missed that part. Have a great winter :) ❄️⛄️🥶
Do you know what the average power consumption was for this trip? How about average speed?
2,44kW at dT 44C. Gives 55W/C.
Hey man i Wonder if you coud tel us when the xpeng g3 is coming to norway Sarpsborg
It's already out.
Hei @@bjornnyland i want to now wich car is best xpeng g3 or kona 2019
very good review 👍👍👍
At about 9:38 ‚on the way to Elverum‘ the consumption is >260/270 wh/km 🤔 why was it so high? After 10:00 it is back to 165 wh/km.
Remember that we have built up kinetic energi in the car:
87 km/h = 24 m/s
Kinetic energy = 1/2 * mv² = 1/2 * 2000 kg * (24 m/s)² = 0.576 MJ = 0.16 kWh
That energy divided by 4.8 km is:
160 Wh / 4.8 km = 33 Wh/km
And there's also an elevation difference between Alvdal (469 m) and that spot (538 m) = 69 m diff
The extra potential energy is:
U = mgh
U = 2000 kg * 9.81 m/s² * 69 m = 1.4 MJ = 0.376 kWh
That energy divided by 4.8 km is:
376 Wh / 4.8 km = 78 Wh/km
So these two combined is:
78 Wh/km + 33 Wh/km = 111 Wh/km
Because the distance is short then the potential energy and kitetic energy makes a bigger impact. As we drive, it will be evened out. And of course, when we slow down, we get the kinetic energy back. And when we descend, we also get the potential energy back. That's how physics works.
@@bjornnyland Thank you for this scientific and detailed answer. As medical doctor I have little clue of physics ☺️ but I understand the formula!
It is a great video, even though in Germany it is unlikely to face such temperatures 😉! It is impressive how good the m3 works in deep winter.
I have a 2019 LR RWD! Whats your guess how this model would stand the cold, compared to the AWD Models from 2019 and 2021?
The app in your phone is Tesla-only? Or works for other brands aswell?
Tesla only.
@@bjornnyland Shiiiiet, but thanks for quick answer! 😄
I have a question, and it's probably important: If your battery gets cold, do you lose energy, or do you only lose power? IOW if you re-warm the battery, do you get the same SOC that you had before you chilled the battery?
I think just available power but not 100% sure
You lose power and energy is made unavailable. But once it heats up again, you get back the available energy and also more power.
"Nope, nicht laden for you" :D lol
Awesome video!
Keep a can of de icer in the boot.
Why do Tesla's always have sensors that are broken? I notice it in all your videos
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@@bjornnyland thanks Bjorn!
Seems to be a lot of time recharging in order to travel 204 km.
Wondering if there’s any truth to those rumours about Tesla going to sell home HVAC systems. Apparently they are thinking about using the octovalve technology for this supposedly new system. Would it make sense? Anyway, nice video and looking forward to comparison with e-Niro :) My 2020 model had been very efficient in winter, but of course our winter has not been colder than 1 Celsius... But it has also been very humid and normally in that temp range heat pumps tend to be less efficient because of freezing vaporator. But still getting an average of about 210 Wh/km...
8valve is a compact unit for distributing coolant/heat to different recipients with differing requirements. (Eg battery needs cooling, occupants need heat)
Sure, their competency in HVAC can be of benefit.
But for homes, extreme space saving and multi-flow are not prioritized (my assumption)
Blocked charger port; could it be that some of the water that leaked onto the charger plug froze the plug to the car charge port?
Yes that's what he meant at the end of the video.
@@boostav I am surprised by the cold weather related issues Bjorn has found with Tesla M3, and there are numerous reports of the heat pump not working in very cold climate, supposedly because of a faulty sensor. I was under the impression that Tesla did a ton of testing in Alaska for cold weather performance yet we keep hearing about non-working heater, frozen charge ports, etc. Tesla engineers need to travel and live a little outside of California. Too much group thinking as far as I can see.
@@lastlondon Did you even watch the video? The faulty sensor was on the Ionity charger not the Model 3, that's why he had to put the hot bag of water on the cable's plug. The issue was the bag leaked water and at -24c it quite obviously froze. Tesla's Superchargers worked just fine in those conditions.
@@boostav yes I saw the video, and he alluded to the water bag issue at the end. Not sure what if there is anything to conclude on the supercharger given that there wasn't any water that leaked there, and also Bjorn mentioned there wasn't any moving pieces on the male part of the plugs (on either of the chargers he used, only the receiver has a lock mechanism), so if anything that strongly hints that either some water leaked into the plug on his first charge and froze, or indeed the receiver on the car was frozen from overnight and the hot air in the car that made it into the boot had sufficiently warmed the car after the first charge.
@@lastlondon It's not hard to understand, the water bag leaked and so the water trickled into the port locking mechanism and froze, which happens very quickly at -24c. That can happen on any car. As others have already mentioned there's also an emergency release latch that he didn't know about, so you wouldn't even have to do what he did as you'd pull on it and the lock mechanism would release.
I have been wondering for a long time how e-golf or e-up can be charged (given no active cooling or heating the HV battery) if they have been left unused for some time (whole night or day) at hard winter climate?! May be VW li-ion chemistry mix is more telerant to low temperature charging than Tesla?
Or maybe because it's better to charge a warm battery than a cold?
eUp and eGolf have plenty of Cobalt in their batteries. So they are not so vulnerable to cold temperature.
E-golf cold gates massively. But on the usual wall charger, no problem.
@@marcel151 it's absolutely true, but the question was about the chemistry difference and the respective cold battery charge algorithm. Tesla would not charge at all if it was left at freezing temperatures with let's say 3 - 5% remaining battery charge and the only charge option is 230V 16A home outlet, because 3KW of heating power would not be enough to warm up the HV battery. That would be scary if there is no faster charge option.
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It does charge on home outlet , battery stayed cold. Did this in our Model S.
Isn't the charge port heated?
You need a cordless hairdryer ;)
battery powered heat gun. I think ryoby sells one.
I just saw a guy from Spain claming that Ionity is a scam, because with 3° c two Ionity chargers delivered only 18 KW to his M3P after having drove 15 min from his home. No more data were provided as this fellow did not use scan my tesla or any other app. Could it be true that the could sensor problem affects the charger at that temperature?
@@asaha7547 Could be, but after 18 to 20 minutes of charging, the power delivered was still at 18Kw. Then he showed that going to a supercharger near by, less than 10 kms, the car was getting more, arroung 48kw.
Bjorn explained this in the last video, ionity has a temp sensor reading which is inaccurate, once they fix that it should charge at the same rate as supercharger!
@@harsimranbansal5355 yeah he did, I was asking if that not nearly cold temp +3 degrees Celsius could affect them that much as the -22 he was testing them on in his video.
@@abraxastulammo9940 because the Spanish guy said that he had 60 ich state of charge. On model 3 performance with that state of charge it should be charging between 48 to 68 kw depending on battery temp
Does that problem only belong to the new standard range + models with the new LithiumI-ronphosphate Batteries?? If its for all im scared to do a road trip to scandinavia in winter :D
Can it run the stators to make some heat for the cabin? Maybe that would be more efficient than using heatpump is such cold
The stators are as inefficent as the PTC. Why would it be more efficient than a heatpump?
@@marcel151 because the ptc has 100% efficiency, the heatpump has more when temperatures are high enough but not when temperatures are that low.
@@maxencesimonart4302 Even under these conditions the heatpump will be more efficient than any resistive heater.
@@maxencesimonart4302 Yes, that‘s why the car uses the PTC for helping the heatpump to create heat when it‘s very cold. The car still has a PTC. Similar as the heatpump in our house. When the heatpump can‘t get enough heat out of the earth as desired it uses the additional „normal“ heater.
YO WHATS UP!!
Keep your car away from my stall, I don’t want to share Kw with you!!
8' What, you didn't bring a hair dryer? (-;
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3 of your tire sensors are not working ... You should tell people that. It is most likely the battery, or sometimes in the cold, the sensors fail. You should get them checked out. I know - they are not cheap. Why did you not try to open the charge port mechanism from inside the car?
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ he made a video why they don’t work. Basically the car is using Bluetooth but the tires are using radio!
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Why you do not want an electric car!!!
Tesla should sell car with hairdryer to be unable unplug
Not needed. I showed in the video how you can melt the ice.
Hey Bjorn when you have little charge left turn off the heater and speed the car until you reach charger but if you are in snowy road decease the screen brightness and try to drive behind any car to reduce air resistance.
Ppease make your vids around 30 min long.🇮🇳🇳🇴🇹🇭
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