Shockingly Good! Kali Audio IN-8 Studio Monitors!
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2019
- Let's take a look at the latest offering from Kali Audio, the IN-8 Studio Monitors!
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you got the only intro that I just can't skip its so good! great video btw!
IN 8's are great in presence and presentation. And exactly what I want for my new studio!
Been looking at monitor reviews on YT. Probably will give these a try for the new studio. Great video man, Thanks!
Seemed like a commercial. Should have shown more actual use
yeah everybody made videos about this kali loudspeakers, also on one video he told us why he switched to Studio one, and what we see is logic......hard to trust
Can't wait to try them
I researched these the other day, the idea behind pairing the tweeter and mid-range into the same location is that it eliminates phase alignment issues between the two. I think we can really hear that here as the mid and high end are not as glassed together and therefore a bit clearer, dare I say. I was going to get these but I opted for a tube amp instead as my monitors are all I need considering my current skill level. Still on my list tho, :)
Original mix is a lot more clear and had more low end. Either way the mix sounded really good.
Nice video bro. What do you edit your footage with?
These types mix comparisons tell me absolutely nothing. An original mix done one day on daily driver monitors vs a mix done some other day with monitors that are probably not broken in and that he never learned in his room. This means absolutely nothing, it's pretty useless.
soundin mad good dude. You seem to favor a bit more scooped guitar tones lately. Any reason why? Did you switch your main amps out or something? It's not a bad thing, just curious
For the money the Kali are pretty good. Are you also using Sonarworks room correction or ARC 2 from IK?
OG mix is more hyped, even though I prefer it. More mids in the Kalis. Solid comparison.
Why was there less bass in the kali mix? Didnt u use sonoworks for the original mix/the monitors u always use, which might be the reazon why theres less bass?
These are 3 way monitors btw. The LP series are 2 way. Be hard pressed to find a pair of 3 ways as good as these are for anywhere near the price.
Btw his Neumann’s for the comparison are 2200 a piece.
Soooooo just sayin, worth checking out.
Denon DN508S
Feels like you notched out way more of the harsh freqs, but the top end shimmer just isn't there. Maybe some more time learning the monitors could be helpful. Also using some reference tracks during the master just to see which direction you're going.
What do you think of these vs the ADAM A7Xs ?
I just blew my m audio 3-8s in 3 years. i am hard on them. I am sold on these.
The mix with the Kali monitors sounded good but man the Nuemann were amazing. The Nuemann had a more hifi thing going on and were just more clear overall. With that said aren’t they a couple grand also? Lol. So the Kali are great for the price range .
Okay guys, tell me. Should I buy these, OR the Yamaha HS7s.
Medium-ish Sized room, I use a sub sparingly, and I'm mostly using them for guitar tracking, my budget is a lil under a grand.
I cant decide. Any advice would be appreciated!
I have a question, does your In-8 have sleep mode? My pair of in-8 does not go into sleep mode. Thank you for great video!
So I’m curious, for individuals beginning in mixing would you suggest starting with an LP-6 pair to learn and upgrading later or just going for an IN-8 pair?
Cody Carrig Hey man, as someone who is beginner/intermediate the lp6 is definitely a great deal. I’ve got them and they have absolutely served me well. The main thing is that with any monitors you’ll learn what’s unique about them and you mix differently with each monitor. Hence the comparison in the video. I’d say if budget is a worry get some miles out of the lp6 and if a couple years down the road you’re still recording and want to upgrade go for something even higher end like fluffs Neumann’s
@@straightxvedge or you'll use Sonarworks to get +- same frequency response from any bigger, strong enough speakers, and then only thing you care about is the amount of harmonic distortion, dynamics of the speakers, how well they reproduce transients, and phase response ( stereo imaging clarity ) in your room.
That being said, I'm thinking about getting these as well!
IN-8s paired with Sonarworks calibration must be a killer combination, due to low THD of speakers and very decent max SPL levels!
If you got the money, I would go for the IN-8. I've always went for the next step up if it wasn't too far of a stretch. A few hundred bucks extra, go for it.
Hey man, thanks for this video. I’m really in the market for a new pair of monitors and I’m in between these KALI IN-8s and the Adam Audio A7Xs. Which one would you go with at this point?
I'm also confused in being between adam a7x vs kali in-8 vs neumann kh120 vs genelec 8030
How would these compare to the Eve SC208?
Do they have the typical Kali Hiss?
Could you address the differences in your mix? I get that the Kali audio are very detailed in the high end but the mix sounded muddy possibly as a compensation for that.
Please try out the PreSonus Sceptre S8 Two-Way 8″ CoActual Studio Monitors if you get a chance. Im very interested to see what you think of them!
I second this
They literally did call it "Presonus Sceptre S8 CoActual". I thought that was just something somebody would type in if they didn't know the word Coaxial was a thing.
The CoActual® difference. Uh. Wow. Presonus. Can I have a word with y'all?
How are these compared to the Mackie hr824?
also would you run a sub with these?
How do you mix so close to them
I have jbl mkIII going into my tascam DP32sd track recorder and are sweet
what listening distance can you recommend for those monitors?
1 meter
Hi, KRK RP10-3 G4 VS KALİ İN8 ?
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I saw a two speaker kit on B&H for $500 total plus some Bluetooth thing.
That was probably the LP8
Hi Ryan, how do these stack up against the Adam A7X speakers that you used a while back?
Wondering this myself. I have a7x and I'm thinking of getting these In-8.
They're different beasts. The A7X have a super-sharp transient response with the ribbon tweeter, which some people totally dig. They're also a little more premium; more expensive amps and driver materials, etc...
The Kalis are focused on accuracy, imaging, and low distortion at a price point. As others have pointed out "show me another 3-way coaxial under $1000."
Not to suggest that you spend ALL your money, but why not both?
@@kaliaudio thanks guys. Will definitely be grabbing some IN-8's
@@kaliaudio That's great, accuracy is everything!
please do the in-5s if you can. really considering them
hey, there's a lot of complaints about a static hiss, when they are just plugged in and not playing, did you notice any of that???
I'd like to know too
There’s a light amount of hiss when nothing is playing through them, but it pretty much melts away when you start putting them to work. My setup is less than ideal too, I have them sitting on their side, slightly above me in a 3 to 4 ft listening triangle between the speakers and my ears. That close in the hiss is very audible when nothing else is happening, but again, it fades away as soon as you play something through them - very much like an old school RCA based turntable. I’ve only had them setup for less than 24hours though so I’m still deciding... That said the hype around both the wide stereo field and clarity is very real, I’m amazed by the quality of sound coming from my old projects and reference work, the detail they can deliver is pretty remarkable. I just wish I had a slightly bigger space to set them up in.
@@MrMoviePhoneEx hmm I'm thinking about getting those, with effective distance roughly 6-7ft they should do ok I guess,
let me ask one more thing - do you think the Kali WS-12 subwoofer is worth to get along with them, or do they go reasonably low alone?
@@TazzSmk That should work, you might hear a little self-noise even from there when you're not using them but it's really not that bad. I can hear them constantly in my setup during the quiet times but I also have to sit much closer and my speakers are only about 34-ish inches apart so I'm sure that's contributing to the issue - they're designed to play best around 7-9ft apart. That said, with rare exceptions the moment I start playing anything through them the self- noise melts away and even close in I'd be hard-pressed to hear anything but pure sound stage... The exception being low level talking head youtube videos specifically at lower volume levels. In those instances, I have to balance the volume of the speakers with the content to get rid of the self-noise hiss or just live with it - not great for late at night when I'm trying to be quiet, but again it's not that bad. As for the sub, that's entirely dependent on your content. The whole reason I bought the IN-8's was because they do produce pretty clean sub-bass frequencies great on their own, but we're not talking 808 sub-levels - though they can work with those, you probably can't get the full spectrum rumble from just the 8's. I can say that the last project I did had a lot of sub frequencies used in various parts of the composition that only reproduced faithfully in more specialized settings like a theater or a Bose sound system, headphones, etc... For a film score I worked on last year - but when I played it back on my friends KRK Rokits (6's or 7's, g4's I think - set to flat response on their internal dsps) the bass levels were almost non-existent. The IN-8's play back the score faithfully set to flat and are more revealing than pretty much any other speakers I used in the making of the project. All the lows are intact, the mids and the highs, they pointed out things in my mix that I never heard before and wish I could have changed before the short went out the festival circuit... Oh well, live and learn I guess. So yeah, the IN-8s can do lows great, but if you really need to live in that sub-world and need the rumble, get the sub too - I would have if I had space, but that'll have to wait :) Also, you can get a nice bass boost on the IN-8's with the dip switches in the back for a more fun listening experience, but I wouldn't recommend that for mixing.
I'll add that the hiss is no worse than the Event 20/20BAS I just spent a day with in studio.
I love coaxial monitors. I truly believe coaxial design is superior to the standard tweeter on top of woofer design even with the compromises which these days can be mitigated with wave guides and dsp.
Im very happy Kali made the IN-8 because it seems that coaxials just never really take off. Look what happened to Equator Audio. The IN-8s look nice however im not sure these are going to sell very well and its because of their price and specs. The IN-8s are very similar to another failed studio monitor called the M Audio M3-8 that I actually owned for a short time. Visually they look very similar with a small mid range and tweeter coaxial combo on top of an 8 inch woofer. However many things are different. The kalis use a 1, 4 and 8 inch driver. The maudios use a 1, 5, and 8 inch driver with the tweeter in a wave guide. Here is whats weird to me. The m audios larger 5 inch mid crosses higher at 450hz vs the kali smaller 4 inch that crosses at 330hz. This means the kali mid has more excursion yet there is no wave guide for the tweeter. So the m audios not only have less movement around the tweeter but a lot of it is mitigated with the wave guide. Why dont the kalis have a wave guide?
Another spec I want to compare is how low the monitors play. Kali manual says 45hz at -3d and 37hz at -10db. I usually see similar specs for 6.5 inch monitors. The m audios say 40hz but dont state the db. Many 8 inch monitors I see these days state 35hz at -3db. Overall I think this is the least important spec because the distance from the rear wall severely alters bass response but still is something interesting to note.
The next specs I wanted to compare is amplifier power. The kalis have a total of 140 watts and the m audios have a total of 220 watts. 140 is sufficient but these are mid field monitors which means they need more power than near field monitors. And comparing weight, the m audios weigh 5 pounds more per speaker. Im guessing this is because of the bigger amp, and drivers with larger magnets. Maybe the cabinet is a little thicker or has more bracing as well.
The last thing that I noticed about the kalis is the placement distance from the listener. The manual calls for 2.8 meters. Thats 9.2 feet. These are not designed to be used on a desk or even a console. These are mid field monitors that should be on stands or mounted on a wall. Im guessing the reason they need to be so far away is so the woofer crosses over correctly with the midrange since the tweeters are supposed to be ear level. With a basic 2 way design, many times you can simply raise the monitor so the woofer is ear level making the tweeter farther away from the woofer therefore giving proper time alignment of the drivers. With this coaxial design you cant do that. You are forced to move the speaker farther away so the woofer can be in phase with the mid and tweeter. Which then I wonder, does this defeat the purpose of this speaker being coaxial? When a speaker is so far away can your ears really notice if its a coaxial design? I think there is still the benefit of coaxial design but the benefit becomes smaller the farther you move the speaker away.
And last but not least, price. The M audio were marketed at 700 a pair while the kalis are sold for 800 a pair while being lighter, having less power, smaller mid range, and no wave guide. Now heres the crazy thing. The m audios have been discontinued. You can still find pairs on ebay. Denon owns M audio and Denon makes a twin copy of the M Audo M3-8 called DN508S. They look a bit different but the specs are exactly the same. Denon says they are the same. And guess how much they cost, 270 a pair brand new today.
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Thanks for the heads up Fluff. Under $1,000 for the pair? I'm in.
I seen them at £700 from andertons
@@alistairhomewood7344 thanks!
$399 each
Are they good for mixing house music
CAN I GET A WHAT'S UP FLUFF??? MORE METAL!🎸
I primarily use a set of Behringer B2031A. Best budget monitors I've ever heard in person. Half the price of this Kali model.
What about the hiss? Lot's been written about this. Has stopped me taking the plunge.
Not in these version I got these no hiss
@@jmizzbeatsj-jigga7888 then you're a liar because I have the In-8s and they absolutely have hiss...
@@23Guitardood mines didn't real talk but it did had a limiter or sleep problems when crank kept cutting off at Loud levels. Seems it was confused between sleep mode and when sound cut on. Took them back was alik upset cause the sound was dope. I'm just save up for three way monitors or wait for Yamaha to come out with one.
@@jmizzbeatsj-jigga7888 except... real talk... they 100% did have the hiss because they all do. It's an issue with going with class D amps to keep distortion low... They inherently come with hiss. It's impossible for yours to be an exception to this, so stop spreading this nonsense... you had hiss, I have hiss, everyone with Kali lp6, lp8, in8 will have hiss... end of story
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so these or HS8s? 😊
can you lay these speakers on their side?
Yes
My god, I loved these speakers... Almost as much as I hated the hiss that I could hear over my fridge during quiet parts in some of the songs I listen to.
Love their port design, stable imaging, and even handed frequency response, just wish they didn't prioritize everything over hiss.
Maybe a V2 version will use a BASH amp and have a little more bass extension for an extra $100 each.
Call me stupid but Instead of buying a Roland JC amp for my clean amp platform, I'm thinking of using a high end mic pre ( Daking Mic Pre-one) for the DI/pre amp and a powered monitor like this. Who says metal can't be Hi-Fi?
Where is the demo comparison to the Neumann's?
original mix
Kali mix felt oddly mid heavy.
Totally offtopic, but I'm getting bored of the standard thrash metal I kept listening to. Your riffs (both clean and dirty) are very melodic, groovy and heavy. What are the bands that inspired you?
Nice, very obvious difference.
Mix done on IN-8 sounded duller. You probably weren't used to that high end, so was shy to boost HF.
It was because the lows and low-mids were higher but muddier. The highs were the same but were being overshadowed by too much in the low end.
This is why I think it's crucial to use reference tracks of music made by contemporary engineers you like to see how it stacks up during the final stages of a mix and then the master. It's so easy to get lost in a mix and find out you were way off.
Where was the product disclosure? Not cool.
the kali mix has no bass. so i guess these are nowhere near flat.
Hi Ryan, i think mix on KH310 is better, IN8 is lil’ dull and the mud&honk area is too over which make the mix sound too static,
The Hiss Masters! An $800.00 pair of speakers should not have any noise when powered up! My Mackie MR524's and HR824's have no noise. Kali Audio states that they have that noise to keep the cost down? My Mackie MR524' only cost $340.00 and have no noise when powered up! That's a line of BS that they can not produce a speaker for that price with out a noise filter that virtually cost nothing. Capacitors cost pennies!
there is a v2 now with -12db lower noise floor
When your studio monitors cost more than 95% of your viewers guitars and computers.
R they ? I heard cheap I thought ?
@@seanridley6279 these monitors are around 700 for a pair in andertons, so fairly cheap still
the original is better. listened on an adam t7v
$800 not budget priced for me.
Kali has the LP-6's, which are 6 and half inches and only cost 150 dollars per speaker. That's the best value for the price that you are going to get.
These are not good. Check out the measurements over at AudioScienceReview.
First review was done with a faulty speaker, redone with a non faulty and they look great for the price.