I have an oddball one in my collection. My bayonet is a #sawback version of the 84/98 pattern manufactured at Deutsche maschinenfabrik A-G. The spine is marked with a D and a crown above it. Through what I have learned it seems to be a Bavarian manufactured bayonet, though I can't say that with 100% confidence. Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in the different variants of imperial German bayonets, thanks for more information, looking forward to seeing more from you. Cheers.
Imperial German Bayonets No date to be found. All I see is a letter "D" on the spine. Might have been worn with heavy use or just age, my example has definatly seen better days.
I lòve saw backs ,I have five 98/05 s, at this time ,what I looking for is a 98/02 ,now .Also I have six other sawbacks, Swiss, firemans, etc. LOVE SAWBACKS....
I have a 84/98 and its a bit intresting, its made in 1889 and it has TWO manufacturing names On the left its weyersberg, and on the right its ERFURT. And another strange thing obout it is that its been shortened? But it was suposedly done by the germans. Ive posted some photos in a facebook group and there are ones with long and short fullers. Have you ever heard of it? The spike is genuine because its covered in the same metal finish as the rest of the blade so its not something done at home by someone
Yes, there were supposingly longer and short ones. The rumor has it that the S84/98 old pattern with the long fullers were shortened sometime to make them match the length of the "short fullered" bayonets. I have never seen any official document or anything like this to proove it though. But with these diffrent fullar lengths it seems quite likely. The two diffrent manufacturers is also original. Usually this means that one manufacturer produced the blade and then the state arsenal, im guessing its erfurt with your bayonet, assambled the bayonet. Cheers, Vincent
Thanks for reply. Id also like to ask why did they put the two groves on the back of the grip? And is the finished blade a common feature? It has a dark blue, almost black finish, its alot darker than the weimar finish, so im intrested if its original imperial finish? Thanks
I have one, the maker stamp is Koppel? No saw teeth, leather and steel sheath.. I love it. Just like to one on top of screen at end of video. I might modify it.
Hello. Thank you for the request. The next time i buy a item that needs cleaning/restoring i will make a video. I don't know when this will happen but i'll try my best. With kind regards, Vincent.
W 1918 unit is 60-20 The blade is manufactured by waffenfabrik mauser & its got field repair. The tip was broken and welded before it was taken out of service. Still has cosmoline in it.
The 1920 is the official property stamp of the weimar era Reichswehr. The Reichswehr also used a slightly diffrent unit marking system. "3/R.R. 18.101" stands for the 3rd squadron of the 18th mounted regiment, bayonet no. 101. in 1921 there were 18 mounted regiments, 5 squadron each. There were 172 bayonets 84/98 n.A. per squadron. Cheers, Vincent
My understanding is that the saw backs, or S84/98S N/A were used by NCO's. They are to short & light to use as a tool. Some had their blades removed due to Imperial Decree of Dec 1917 because of British Propaganda. The easily forgot they used saw back bayonets in the late 1870's!! I have a few examples of S84-98S N/A Abg. The earlier S84/98 N/A as explained, is interesting variation. The original S71/84's made into the earliest S84/98 A/A went on Gew88 rifles. Imperial German Bayonets knows his stuff!! Very accurate presentations!!
Hello. There are some S84/98nP and S98/05nP without property stamps. All of the "Ersatz-bayonet" were not propert stamped either. I dont really know why these bayonets dont feature a property stamp but during the chaos of the war, everything was possible. There was also such a big need when it comes to these "modern" bayonets that i belive that those unmarked bayonets were also issued. Cheers, Vincent.
Thank you very much, i have a great shiny butcher, the spine marks on it are Crown What looks like a backward fancy 7?? 17 Crown What looks like a 6?? On the bottom of the handle Is a Crown on top of a fancy H I wish i could send you a picture Thanks for anything you can do with it on information Todd Sims
I have an oddball one in my collection. My bayonet is a #sawback version of the 84/98 pattern manufactured at Deutsche maschinenfabrik A-G. The spine is marked with a D and a crown above it. Through what I have learned it seems to be a Bavarian manufactured bayonet, though I can't say that with 100% confidence. Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in the different variants of imperial German bayonets, thanks for more information, looking forward to seeing more from you. Cheers.
So there is no date stamped at the back of the blade? With kind regards, Vincent.
Imperial German Bayonets No date to be found. All I see is a letter "D" on the spine. Might have been worn with heavy use or just age, my example has definatly seen better days.
Can you send me some pictures? imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com
I lòve saw backs ,I have five 98/05 s, at this time ,what I looking for is a 98/02 ,now .Also I have six other sawbacks, Swiss, firemans, etc. LOVE SAWBACKS....
I have a 84/98 and its a bit intresting, its made in 1889 and it has TWO manufacturing names
On the left its weyersberg, and on the right its ERFURT.
And another strange thing obout it is that its been shortened? But it was suposedly done by the germans. Ive posted some photos in a facebook group and there are ones with long and short fullers. Have you ever heard of it?
The spike is genuine because its covered in the same metal finish as the rest of the blade so its not something done at home by someone
Yes, there were supposingly longer and short ones. The rumor has it that the S84/98 old pattern with the long fullers were shortened sometime to make them match the length of the "short fullered" bayonets. I have never seen any official document or anything like this to proove it though. But with these diffrent fullar lengths it seems quite likely.
The two diffrent manufacturers is also original. Usually this means that one manufacturer produced the blade and then the state arsenal, im guessing its erfurt with your bayonet, assambled the bayonet.
Cheers, Vincent
Thanks for reply.
Id also like to ask why did they put the two groves on the back of the grip?
And is the finished blade a common feature?
It has a dark blue, almost black finish, its alot darker than the weimar finish, so im intrested if its original imperial finish?
Thanks
I have one, the maker stamp is Koppel? No saw teeth, leather and steel sheath.. I love it. Just like to one on top of screen at end of video. I might modify it.
dieser Kanal ist einfach nur genial
cool.
can you do a video about cleaning /restoring bayonets, and how to know how far to go if its decided .?
Hello. Thank you for the request. The next time i buy a item that needs cleaning/restoring i will make a video. I don't know when this will happen but i'll try my best. With kind regards, Vincent.
W 1918 unit is 60-20
The blade is manufactured by waffenfabrik mauser & its got field repair. The tip was broken and welded before it was taken out of service. Still has cosmoline in it.
I have a Sawback 84/98 with Franz koeller & co solingen Ohligs maker.
I have an early war German bayonet with manny stampings on cross guard could this be looked up
Cool bayonet
I recently bought a 84/98 na. It is stamped 1920 on the cross guard. It and the scabbed are marked
3/R.R.18.101 I am not sure what that means..?
The 1920 is the official property stamp of the weimar era Reichswehr.
The Reichswehr also used a slightly diffrent unit marking system. "3/R.R. 18.101" stands for the 3rd squadron of the 18th mounted regiment, bayonet no. 101.
in 1921 there were 18 mounted regiments, 5 squadron each. There were 172 bayonets 84/98 n.A. per squadron.
Cheers, Vincent
Thanks for the information. I probably wouldn't have solved that puzzle without your help!
Cool I have one of those sawback in pretty good shape 😊
Mine is a 84/98 na Gottlieb hammesfahr solingenfoche with no property stamp
My understanding is that the saw backs, or S84/98S N/A were used by NCO's. They are to short & light to use as a tool. Some had their blades removed due to Imperial Decree of Dec 1917 because of British Propaganda. The easily forgot they used saw back bayonets in the late 1870's!! I have a few examples of S84-98S N/A Abg. The earlier S84/98 N/A as explained, is interesting variation. The original S71/84's made into the earliest S84/98 A/A went on Gew88 rifles. Imperial German Bayonets knows his stuff!! Very accurate presentations!!
Cool:)
Hello I have a 84/98 bayonet sawback new pattern, however it does not have a property stamp on the back. Would this mean it was never issued?
Hello. There are some S84/98nP and S98/05nP without property stamps. All of the "Ersatz-bayonet" were not propert stamped either. I dont really know why these bayonets dont feature a property stamp but during the chaos of the war, everything was possible. There was also such a big need when it comes to these "modern" bayonets that i belive that those unmarked bayonets were also issued. Cheers, Vincent.
Thank you very much, i have a great shiny butcher, the spine marks on it are
Crown
What looks like a backward fancy 7??
17
Crown
What looks like a 6??
On the bottom of the handle
Is a
Crown on top of a fancy H
I wish i could send you a picture
Thanks for anything you can do with it on information
Todd Sims
I found one of these it's going for around 500 dollars