Yes! The S98/05 is my favorite bayonet of all time. That leaf shaped blade is very aesthetically pleasing and it seems to be a good tool too. Glad you are feeling better and gave us another great episode.
Hi! I was wondering a bit about something in the video. I have a 98/05 sawback by Alex Coppel with the blade marked with the Ludwig mark over "14". The handle sports the short ears and metal flashguard that you mentioned were introduced from 1915 onwards. I was wondering if they ever replaced the handles on some of the previously issued blades with the newer pattern. I'm hoping that the handle wasn't replaced by somebody else with a handle from a different 98/05.
No, its perfectly fine that your S98/05 does show features of both the old and new pattern. They sometimes "updated" older 97/05 bayonets by grinding down the ears and adding a flashguard.
We found this in my grandfather's house after he died, it was covered in thick rust, I tried to clean it up, there's no markings on it due to the corrosion and clean up process, it's the one without the metal on the handle to protect against the flash, so probably the older model. It's incredible how light and nimble it is, I can wave it around very fast like it's nothing, amazing shit.
The stamp on my one is a crown with a £ bellow then 15 below that then a k any ideas it’s a sawback made by v.c. Schilling and it also has #1 stamped on it??
I have a 15 inch Sawback bayonet that has a 10 inch blade and scabbard. There is a marking of what I believe is the Manufacturer that says KOELLE. Unfortunately that is all that is legible. Can you give me some info to help me figure out exactly what it is? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks for a great movie. I have been collecting bayonets recently and you've explained a lot to me. Let me just say that despite the new design from 1915 I have in my collection a model of the old design from 1916 produced by Duisburg Deutsche Maschinen Fabrik.
Hey I have this bayonet, it is stamped 15 with the crown etc. AMBERG, F. HERDER A.Sn. Solingen. Do you know anything more about this bayonet? The hilt is in great condition, however the blade is blackened but not rusting. Is it worth restoring it, or is it bad to tamper with it?
I have a 98/05 marked Simpson and Son Suhl, no saw back . How many different manufacturers were used? Mine is quite sharp and looks like it was sharpened on a low speed stone grinding wheel like I have seen in several pictures of the German WW1 trenches.
Hello Richard. Thank you for your comment. There were many manufacturers when it comes to the S98/05 new pattern. A total of 39 companies (maybe even more) manufactured the S98/05 new pattern bayonet from 1915 until 1918. Collecting all the different manufacturers really is quite a challenge.
Hi Vincent. I recently bought a 98/05 a/a it is by Erfurt and stamped W 07. It is a sawback and came with the leather scabbard. My question is the unit marking.B.4.P.3.14 ? Thanks for your work!!!
Hi. The unit markings reads as the "Bayerisches 4. Pionier-Bataillon, 3. Kompanie, Waffe Nr. 14" or in english "bavarian 4th pioneer bataillon, 3rd company, weapon no. 14". If you find a "B" as the first letter of a unit markings, it usually indicates "bavarian". Cheers, Vincent..
I just acquired one. No saw back. It’s not marked on the blade, but it looks like somebody engraved: B. 11. (B or R), E1. 961. On the cross guard. Steel sheath. The scoring on the new modification is noticeable. The ears are very small, looks worn or filed down.
If you shop on EBAY for bayonets, you will see more variations of this fine bayonet for sale. It is a strong blade, the early scabbard was leather with steel fittings. After 1915, all steel scabbards were issued. That combo is heavy. When you see the WWI videos on U-Tube, you can see how they sag! The flash gaurds were added with the new model, or Neuer Art (N/A) so when used on the Kar98A, the grips won't burn off from flash of fire!
Hi! Any chance you will do a video on the post-war 98/05's? I have what I'm told is a "Police" bayonet. "1920" marked with no imperial proofs or year on back of the blade, just manufacturer. Bayonet is blued with 1920 on cross guard. Great video! Thanks!
Hey. A "W 00" is highly unlikley. Maybe its a "W 06" or "W 08" with one bad stamped number? If that is not the case i would love to see some pictures. Cheers, Vincent.
Hello Vincent ( Imperial German Bayonets), I have a J.H.BECKER SOLINGEN with the sawback removed, It has no year marking on the spine, only a crown with a number 3 under it? And it has an "i" where the sawback was removed. Could you help me with dating this bayonet since it has no spine number? Thank you. - David
Hello David, i am guessing that your bayonet featers the low barrel rest and a fire shield on the back on the handle to protect the wooden grip pieces? There are a number of bayonets from specific manufacturers who often doenst have the W + year on the back of the blade. J.H. Becker is one of them. The "Crown 3" or "Crown Z" marking is also common for your manufacturer. Since you bayonet has its sawback removed it was still in service in 1918. therefore i would date it between 1916 or 1917. Produced and most likley heavily used during the great war. Cheers, Vincent.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Well thank you very much that information helps alot! It is interesting that it bears no mark, do you have any more information about the markings of approval? Why crown with Z and not W, and why it has no year stamp? Thank you. Cheers! - David
@@DaxThebest07 To be honest i am not an expert when it comes to the S98/05. The Letter under crown is a marking used whenever the item was within the production tolerances. If this pieces passed the test, the worker in charge stamped it with the first letter of his last name under the crown. Why there is no date... I looked in my literature but coudlnt find anything helpful. Most of these detailed information were lost in the fires of the second world war when the archives burned down in berlin. If i come up with more info i will let you know.
Hello, I was wondering if there was anyway to send you pictures to help identify the bayonet my family got me for christmas. I have a feeling it is a 98/05 new pattern but there are some markings i have qeustions about. Is there any way to get in touch with you to send you pictures?
I just acquired one of these I believe it's the second or most likely the fourth one down in initial picture. Is anybody that's educated willing to help me understand these more? (Type of metal, material I should use to restore get rid of surface rust, etc) I do not have a crown, only markings are (HM?)UNDLOS&CO MAGDEBURG and on other side GEBR. HARTKOPF SOLINGEN. The crown I think and W 17? Is on back side.. I was going to use naval jelly to remove some of the rust areas, started on the sheath but quickly realized it may damage or stain and I want to respect this thing, restore it and admire it for the rest of my life. Still watching full video and you may cover it, but mentioning ahead of time.
Hello, thank you for your question. I am no export when it comes to ersatz bayonets. This is a very large field of study and there are so many variants. Maybe i can produce a short video just talking about these ersatz bayonets in general and why they were build in the first place. Thank you for the idea. Vincent
@@crazychicken7125 Interesting that i get asked this question quite a lot. It ist "just" a short piece of musik that i found for free use in the Apple Movie Maker. I just thought that this would my fit channel. Cheers, Vincent
Does it have any kind of markings at all? Although i don't really have any literature to back me up i think this means that your bayonet was not accepted as state property. Maybe there was something wrong with it or it was not manufactured within tolerances. At the end of the war they produced more S98/05 then they needed (unlike the S84/98). Therefor they could afford to "sort through" their bayonets and if one example was not up to standarts they would not have accepted it and therefore not stamp it. Another possibility is that it was lost during the production and could not be stamped. Overall these undated S98/05 do pop up from time to time but are kind of rare. Cheers, Vincent.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 The only thing stamped into it is anker-werke Beilefeld. Considering the history of the sawback, my theory is it was produced mid-late 1917 when the German High Command learned the French and British were expecting anyone found with one of these bayonets, so they panicked and threw this one out. No clue, just a cool theory I thought up.
I have a 98/05 aa that was the first bayonet I ever bought. I didn't know about them at that time, but it has almost no markings at all. just two Crown W marks on the pommel. $50 though so why not. It's still neat
Thank you for your comment. My first bayonet was a M/1871 and i still have it. It has a very special place in my collection even if its not the prettiest example. With kind regards, Vincent.
My dad has a bayonet that has the following markings: soemmerda and R O M; and the blade length is 7 " 5/8" overall with handle 12 7/8". We are trying to identify the bayonet.
I’ve actually got one with the sawback. My grandmother had it. Somebody in my family acquired it. Not sure who. Had family in Germany, England and America back then. Not sure if it was taken as trophy or otherwise. Never met my Grandfather to ask. It’s a nice weapon. It’s in good shape.
Its always nice to have a historical item that was passed down within the own family. It adds so much personal value. May i ask what year is stamped on the back of the blade? Cheers, Vincent.
I’m having a bit of a mystery I bought one of these knives from a neighbor that is the 98/05 by Alexander Coppel. From what I can tell everything appears to be very correct, it’s a very quality blade however the date under the W is dated to 1914. I really don’t understand why it says 14 under the w. It has metal on the palm of the blade To prevent scorching it has a metal sheath. All of that would tell me it’s 1915 or later issue. But it clearly says 14 it does not have a sawed edge either. It’s also missing wings. I’m sure it’s genuine as it’s stamping and patina are extremely convincing. The proof marks are still showing albeit with wear but still showing I’m really confused if anyone would know anything I would love to hear it. It’s possible it’s fake but I don’t know why someone would put a monumental effort into crafting a extremely well-made blade with the wrong date and selling it to me for about €80 or 100 $.
Hello, Those metal fire blast shields were installed on older bayonets as well. There are even 98/02 sawback bayonets reported with those blast shield on the grip an they were produced before the 98/05 started production. These "transitions" S98/05 bayonets are rare. Congratulations. Cheers, Vincent
I found on of those bayonets but I don't know if it's an original or replica tho to me it looks exactly like the first one you speak about in this video
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Yes! The S98/05 is my favorite bayonet of all time. That leaf shaped blade is very aesthetically pleasing and it seems to be a good tool too. Glad you are feeling better and gave us another great episode.
Thank you for your nice comment.
This video deserves much more views!! Love it!!!
I'm happy you enjoyed my video.
A super and informative video that enabled me to re-assemble a 98/05. from a display case. Further information requested with photos sent via email.
I just got an S98/05 new pattern bayonet produced in 1916. It is a nice bayonet and easily one of my favorite designs. Great video, well done.
Fantastic content!!! I don't know how you don't have a much larger audience
Outstanding video
I have one of these with the proof marks and a manufacturer mark but no property mark. Is it a never issued one?
An amazingly well presented video. Thanks for sharing your insight into these fascinating blades.
Thanks for your kind comment. I am glad you like the videos. Cheers, Vincent.
from C&Rsenal, instantly subbed, thank you for great videos
Hi! I was wondering a bit about something in the video. I have a 98/05 sawback by Alex Coppel with the blade marked with the Ludwig mark over "14". The handle sports the short ears and metal flashguard that you mentioned were introduced from 1915 onwards. I was wondering if they ever replaced the handles on some of the previously issued blades with the newer pattern. I'm hoping that the handle wasn't replaced by somebody else with a handle from a different 98/05.
No, its perfectly fine that your S98/05 does show features of both the old and new pattern. They sometimes "updated" older 97/05 bayonets by grinding down the ears and adding a flashguard.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Thanks for letting me know!
We found this in my grandfather's house after he died, it was covered in thick rust, I tried to clean it up, there's no markings on it due to the corrosion and clean up process, it's the one without the metal on the handle to protect against the flash, so probably the older model.
It's incredible how light and nimble it is, I can wave it around very fast like it's nothing, amazing shit.
Great i would love to get a photo of it
I also have a sawback 98/05 that is marked on the sheath as well as the blade. Made in 1916 by waffenfabrik mauser.
The stamp on my one is a crown with a £ bellow then 15 below that then a k any ideas it’s a sawback made by v.c. Schilling and it also has #1 stamped on it??
Excellent video. Thank you. Very informative!
The Germans Gave A lots of Ideas to the Whole world by Quality Strength And Durability... Thanks for sharing this amazing video with us Cheer up....
I have a 15 inch Sawback bayonet that has a 10 inch blade and scabbard. There is a marking of what I believe is the Manufacturer that says KOELLE. Unfortunately that is all that is legible. Can you give me some info to help me figure out exactly what it is? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks for a great movie. I have been collecting bayonets recently and you've explained a lot to me. Let me just say that despite the new design from 1915 I have in my collection a model of the old design from 1916 produced by Duisburg Deutsche Maschinen Fabrik.
I have one forsale German sawback and scabbard with leather
great Video!!!!
Hey I have this bayonet, it is stamped 15 with the crown etc. AMBERG, F. HERDER A.Sn. Solingen. Do you know anything more about this bayonet? The hilt is in great condition, however the blade is blackened but not rusting. Is it worth restoring it, or is it bad to tamper with it?
I have a 1915 dated one but its like the one at 5:58
I have a 98/05 marked Simpson and Son Suhl, no saw back . How many different manufacturers were used? Mine is quite sharp and looks like it was sharpened on a low speed stone grinding wheel like I have seen in several pictures of the German WW1 trenches.
Hello Richard. Thank you for your comment. There were many manufacturers when it comes to the S98/05 new pattern. A total of 39 companies (maybe even more) manufactured the S98/05 new pattern bayonet from 1915 until 1918. Collecting all the different manufacturers really is quite a challenge.
Hi Vincent. I recently bought a 98/05 a/a
it is by Erfurt and stamped W 07. It is a
sawback and came with the leather scabbard. My question is the unit marking.B.4.P.3.14 ? Thanks for your work!!!
Hi. The unit markings reads as the "Bayerisches 4. Pionier-Bataillon, 3. Kompanie, Waffe Nr. 14" or in english "bavarian 4th pioneer bataillon, 3rd company, weapon no. 14".
If you find a "B" as the first letter of a unit markings, it usually indicates "bavarian".
Cheers, Vincent..
Thanks again. I am learning!
Any reason why the holster is so insanely heavy n even made of metal at all? Did that fulfill a purpose?
I just acquired one. No saw back. It’s not marked on the blade, but it looks like somebody engraved: B. 11. (B or R), E1. 961. On the cross guard. Steel sheath. The scoring on the new modification is noticeable. The ears are very small, looks worn or filed down.
Hi,
"B.11.R.E. 961" reads as "Bavarian 11th infantry-regiment, Ersatz-bataillon, weapon no. 961".
What is the price of the IMPERIAL GERMAN MAUSER OBERNDORF 98/05 BUTCHER BAYONET W 17 ??
If you shop on EBAY for bayonets, you will see more variations of this fine bayonet for sale. It is a strong blade, the early scabbard was leather with steel fittings. After 1915, all steel scabbards were issued. That combo is heavy. When you see the WWI videos on U-Tube, you can see how they sag! The flash gaurds were added with the new model, or Neuer Art (N/A) so when used on the Kar98A, the grips won't burn off from flash of fire!
I have what i believe is a s98/05 sawback 1915 could you please help me with more information on it. I can send pictures. Thanks
Hi! Any chance you will do a video on the post-war 98/05's? I have what I'm told is a "Police" bayonet. "1920" marked with no imperial proofs or year on back of the blade, just manufacturer. Bayonet is blued with 1920 on cross guard. Great video! Thanks!
Any idea on a property marking with a "00" . Its definitely a 98/05. No unit markings but the others are all there.
Hey. A "W 00" is highly unlikley. Maybe its a "W 06" or "W 08" with one bad stamped number? If that is not the case i would love to see some pictures. Cheers, Vincent.
Hello Vincent ( Imperial German Bayonets), I have a J.H.BECKER SOLINGEN with the sawback removed, It has no year marking on the spine, only a crown with a number 3 under it? And it has an "i" where the sawback was removed. Could you help me with dating this bayonet since it has no spine number? Thank you. - David
Hello David, i am guessing that your bayonet featers the low barrel rest and a fire shield on the back on the handle to protect the wooden grip pieces? There are a number of bayonets from specific manufacturers who often doenst have the W + year on the back of the blade. J.H. Becker is one of them. The "Crown 3" or "Crown Z" marking is also common for your manufacturer. Since you bayonet has its sawback removed it was still in service in 1918. therefore i would date it between 1916 or 1917. Produced and most likley heavily used during the great war.
Cheers, Vincent.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Well thank you very much that information helps alot! It is interesting that it bears no mark, do you have any more information about the markings of approval? Why crown with Z and not W, and why it has no year stamp? Thank you. Cheers! - David
@@DaxThebest07 To be honest i am not an expert when it comes to the S98/05. The Letter under crown is a marking used whenever the item was within the production tolerances. If this pieces passed the test, the worker in charge stamped it with the first letter of his last name under the crown. Why there is no date... I looked in my literature but coudlnt find anything helpful. Most of these detailed information were lost in the fires of the second world war when the archives burned down in berlin. If i come up with more info i will let you know.
7:33 mines like the one at the top and bottom
Do you know the reason why some 98/05 bayonets has date and crown on the spine, but did not have manufacturer's mark? Who make them?
Great video!
Glad you like it.
Will you make video about S14 Bayonet (Gottscho)?
Hello, I was wondering if there was anyway to send you pictures to help identify the bayonet my family got me for christmas. I have a feeling it is a 98/05 new pattern but there are some markings i have qeustions about. Is there any way to get in touch with you to send you pictures?
Hallo. You can send me pictures of your bayonet to imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com. I will try to help you. With kind regards Vincent.
Imperial German Bayonets Thank you in advance.
I just acquired one of these I believe it's the second or most likely the fourth one down in initial picture. Is anybody that's educated willing to help me understand these more? (Type of metal, material I should use to restore get rid of surface rust, etc) I do not have a crown, only markings are (HM?)UNDLOS&CO MAGDEBURG and on other side GEBR. HARTKOPF SOLINGEN. The crown I think and W 17? Is on back side..
I was going to use naval jelly to remove some of the rust areas, started on the sheath but quickly realized it may damage or stain and I want to respect this thing, restore it and admire it for the rest of my life.
Still watching full video and you may cover it, but mentioning ahead of time.
Just picked up a 1908 sawback.
Thats a very nice year. Any unit markings to be found on your bayonet?
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 yed
Mine starts with E&F I think
Can you make a video on the ersatz bayonet in your intro I see one.
Hello, thank you for your question. I am no export when it comes to ersatz bayonets. This is a very large field of study and there are so many variants. Maybe i can produce a short video just talking about these ersatz bayonets in general and why they were build in the first place. Thank you for the idea. Vincent
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 what is the intro music?
@@crazychicken7125 Interesting that i get asked this question quite a lot. It ist "just" a short piece of musik that i found for free use in the Apple Movie Maker. I just thought that this would my fit channel. Cheers, Vincent
My bayonet, which I just found today after years of not seeing it, is a sawback butcherblade BUT it's not dated. Could this possibly mean anything?
Does it have any kind of markings at all?
Although i don't really have any literature to back me up i think this means that your bayonet was not accepted as state property. Maybe there was something wrong with it or it was not manufactured within tolerances. At the end of the war they produced more S98/05 then they needed (unlike the S84/98). Therefor they could afford to "sort through" their bayonets and if one example was not up to standarts they would not have accepted it and therefore not stamp it. Another possibility is that it was lost during the production and could not be stamped. Overall these undated S98/05 do pop up from time to time but are kind of rare. Cheers, Vincent.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 The only thing stamped into it is anker-werke Beilefeld. Considering the history of the sawback, my theory is it was produced mid-late 1917 when the German High Command learned the French and British were expecting anyone found with one of these bayonets, so they panicked and threw this one out. No clue, just a cool theory I thought up.
I have a 98/05 aa that was the first bayonet I ever bought. I didn't know about them at that time, but it has almost no markings at all. just two Crown W marks on the pommel. $50 though so why not. It's still neat
Thank you for your comment. My first bayonet was a M/1871 and i still have it. It has a very special place in my collection even if its not the prettiest example. With kind regards, Vincent.
My sawback has no Unit markings
My dad has a bayonet that has the following markings: soemmerda and R O M; and the blade length is 7 " 5/8" overall with handle 12 7/8". We are trying to identify the bayonet.
Feel free to send me some pictures and i will see what i can do to help you. imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com
I’ve actually got one with the sawback. My grandmother had it. Somebody in my family acquired it. Not sure who. Had family in Germany, England and America back then. Not sure if it was taken as trophy or otherwise. Never met my Grandfather to ask. It’s a nice weapon. It’s in good shape.
Its always nice to have a historical item that was passed down within the own family. It adds so much personal value. May i ask what year is stamped on the back of the blade? Cheers, Vincent.
Imperial German Bayonets looks like 1915. Has the Pioneer stamp as well. I’d post pics if I could.
Hello friend, I am Cuban and apparently I have a German m98/05 bayonet. I would like to send you a photo so you can tell me if it is real.
Sure. Go ahead. imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com
I have one of those 98/05 bayonets from 1915, and on the hand guard it sais 'P. B.', does anyone know what this means?
Hello. Without any pictures i cant really help you. If you want you can send me some pictures. My mail is imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 j ai une bayonet comsa en algeri ..ja bite constantine
I’m having a bit of a mystery I bought one of these knives from a neighbor that is the 98/05 by Alexander Coppel. From what I can tell everything appears to be very correct, it’s a very quality blade however the date under the W is dated to 1914. I really don’t understand why it says 14 under the w. It has metal on the palm of the blade To prevent scorching it has a metal sheath. All of that would tell me it’s 1915 or later issue. But it clearly says 14 it does not have a sawed edge either. It’s also missing wings. I’m sure it’s genuine as it’s stamping and patina are extremely convincing. The proof marks are still showing albeit with wear but still showing I’m really confused if anyone would know anything I would love to hear it. It’s possible it’s fake but I don’t know why someone would put a monumental effort into crafting a extremely well-made blade with the wrong date and selling it to me for about €80 or 100 $.
Hello, Those metal fire blast shields were installed on older bayonets as well. There are even 98/02 sawback bayonets reported with those blast shield on the grip an they were produced before the 98/05 started production. These "transitions" S98/05 bayonets are rare. Congratulations. Cheers, Vincent
Like it!
I found on of those bayonets but I don't know if it's an original or replica tho to me it looks exactly like the first one you speak about in this video
If you want you can send me a mail with some pictures and i can take a look. imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com
I have one that’s dull and still has the finish on it. How do I tell if it’s an original unissued like I was told or if it’s a reproduction?
Hi, you can send me a picture and maybe i can help you. imperialgermanbayonets@gmail.com
Great video!