Let’s be real...Shakira tryna protect that $$$...I ain’t mad at it. Yes, he’s wealthy too but she’s still allowed to protect herself financially in case things go south... Not everyone wants a prenup. And not everyone thinks you need to be married to complete your relationship. If it works as is...then let it work.
She’s richer than him but pique is one of the biggest athletes in the world who plays for the biggest football team in the world. He has his own money.
No that ain’t it. Most Colombians don’t get married. Google it. It’s true. Living and having kids with someone automatically makes them your spouse . Colombian style. 😊
Also, I think it's because Shakira's ex-fiancé tried to sue her for $300m too, so she doesn't want to deal with that again. NOTE: I already know her boyfriend is, he's Pique a famous football player who plays from Barcelona FC and the Spanish national team, I'm from London so I'm in tune with football culture and keep up with the World Cup/UEFA Euro. However Shakira STILLS have a higher net worth and Shakira can continue releasing money and touring whereas Piqué is already 32, in the next 5-10 years he isn't going to playing/earning the same amount of money he earns now. Also splitting up assets as a famous person just seems tedious, even with a prenup involved.
xoxlilchicxox Haha I think that's what Shakira feels deep down, but she's making up some bullshit about keeping things exciting so she doesn't offend her boyfriend lol..
Simply AMJ Tamera and Adrienne only agree about marriage. Tamera and Jeannie have the most similar opinions on the show. They are both open-minded, intellectual and bubbly people.
ALL Created By One GOOD God. I don’t think it’s that complicated. I don’t believe living together and consciously choosing to stay together unmarried is the same as marriage. Yes, you make the decision to stay with that person but there is no real commitment, meaning, there is no legal document granting you rights to that person and you can walk away from it without any serious legal ramifications. So legally, you’re not really committed in the eyes of God or the public (whether you believe in Him or not) no matter how many years you’ve been living together or how much you’ve invested. Marriage is a form of protection for the spouse to preserve their rights within their relationship (back in the day it was for the wife because the man made the money and she, as his wife, had rights to his income but these days it’s for both men and women). For example, the spouse has the legal right to make decisions on behalf of their partner if their partner is unconscious. The spouse can legally sign certain documents on behalf of their partner. They have the right to personal information from their spouse, etc. You forfeit those rights and more when you’re just shacking up and raising kids together. So no, it’s not complicated. If you don’t make the commitment on paper, it’s not a real commitment. You can call it whatever you want to call it, you can choose not to give it a label. That doesn’t change the truth of the matter. I do understand that Shakira may have gotten hurt in her last divorce. That is a risk to consider which is why marriage is a solemn decision to make and we (I’m including myself because I learned the hard way too) need to be wise in whom we decide to make that commitment. On a side note @All Things Adrienne you have been killing it with your responses. I agree with you on everything you’ve said these last few weeks. You and Tam! Much love to all the ladies. I’m grateful we’re able to share our opinions peacefully and respectfully.
@@stephaniemervil5212 You do realize 1. God has nothing to do with religion? Religion may have been formed on the basis of serving a God but we know from the many religions there are that it's more about humans than God. 2. Spirituality has nothing/very little to do with religion. With that said, don't confuse marriage "a legal commitment" with committing before God. NOw i'm not trying to discredit your opinion but I just thought i'd caution/advise you against using "God" to justify marriage and what it is because "marriage" means different things to different people just like God :)
People should stop to pressuring women! I'm only 24 n ppl judge me for not have a kid or being in a relationship!The pressure it's a nightmare, my question is what you gonna get whether i marry or not??
The best thing to do is not care what they think. To me 24 is too young to have a kid, but its different for everybody. Its best to listen to God and let him choose the guy who will pick you as his wife. Pressure only maked women force themselves into relationships that arent for them just to please others. Let God take control you will be fine.
I agree with Adrianne‘s comment and the last statement Shakira made was she can leave at any time. If you are scared of commitment and you do not fully trust your partner then do not have two kids with him because you can’t leave anytime sweetheart you have two kids. People take marriage more serious than they take having children with someone and it’s ridiculous.
exactly! People are fkn dumb- They are scared of marriage, but will freely bring another human life into the world... This is why some need to not reproduce!
It's not dumb, marriage is a very serious commitment, in the bible ur partner comes first bfre your child. They can co parent but they just can't wake up and divorce just like that, atleast for sensible pple, divorce comes with a lot of stress and depression and again marriage is a very serious commitment
@Javi Ruiz I would think it would be the opposite. If you have 200 million dollars and your ex takes 100 million, you're still fine. You ain't starving lol but if you make $10,000 a year, and your ex wants 5000...then there's going to be some problems lol
These are all wealthy women. Each of them with net worths of at least $1M; talking about Shakira, a mother, mega-star whose networth is $350M. They are exceptions, not the rule. For the rest of us average American women, let alone women of color, we will still statistically fare better economically when part of a marriage than cohabiting. This is amplified if we become mothers, which most of us will. It's called the "motherhood penalty" and it affects our bottom line harder than it would Shakira. Their views, while diverse, seem to treat the exception and the rule as if they're equivalent.
How do you fare better when married? Because of a tax break? You’ll fare really well when it comes to an end and you get a cash prize. There’s only one person getting security here. And don’t tell you would never do that. I’m just saying you can do that.
@@alex124241 taxes? Lol that's small potatoes. I'm not just looking at that, I'm looking at a bigger picture. Numerous studies across the decades have compared married versus cohabiting couples against mostly 2 main categories- health and economics. And these studies have consistently demonstrated that married couples fare better economically (higher household incomes, salaries, and wealth) and health (longer lifespans, rates of diseases, and healthier lifestyles). Similarly married *parents* fare better economically than cohabiting *parents* . And cohabiting parents fare better economically than solo parents. www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/04/25/the-changing-profile-of-unmarried-parents/
@@alex124241 Cash prize after it ends? Only one person gains security there? Yes, when it comes to economics, on average divorced men fare better after divorces/long term compared to divorced women. But also fare worse long term in the category of health, compared to divorced women. Though I should highlight that this is not necessarily due to the divorce between husbands and wives, but rather the separation of *mothers and fathers* . www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5992251/
Esmeralda Carbajal It’s interesting that you acknowledged racial dynamics relative to the status of being single but you completely disregarded it in the context of marriage. “Married couples fare better economically” is true depending on the racial background of the couple. White and Asian women who have white and Asian husbands for the most part fare better economically than when single. But the economics are not the same for Black women and non-white Latinas because their prospective husbands (Black and non-white Hispanics) are at the bottom of the economic ladder. I am African-American (and female) but my income is twice as high as the average income for a Black individual. Also, there are nuances to the health benefits as well. I have read studies on the same subject and have found that the biggest health differences are between married MEN and single men. But those benefits aren’t replicated for women. I’m pretty sure wealth and money has to do with health as well so the racial dynamic is still probably relevant to those health benefits you mentioned.
susan no she’s not. claiming a girl is afraid of marriage because she chooses to not want to be married is not a point. not all women want to get married. that doesn’t make them afraid of marriage.
Oh my God I just saw the reason for the seating chart. They brought the more conservative ladies to one side and the more liberal ladies to the other side.
Loni is the most conservative of them all, so your claim is kind of ridiculous, lol. On this issue, Tam and Ade (and also Jeannie in the past) are just simply more pro marriage and more pro tradition (Loni would've been the same too, if she only had a successful marriage). In any case, no need to be surprised; this is what those of us that have been watching the show for a long time and have a clue about these kinds of things know.
Lonnie is in the middle because she is the main person on the show. She even said that when they hired her they wanted to have a talk so just for her but they brought the ladies on . I think she definitely has more say on where she sits then everybody else.
Its sad when someone doesn’t agree with certain views and then says they “aren’t black” or “they “aren’t for us.” Why can’t she just have her own opinion regardless of race? Not all white people think the same, not all black people think the same, and ect. Honestly I would be pissed if someone told me I had to like certain things or have certain beliefs because of my race. One of my pet peeves is when I hear...”your not black enough or Latino enough” because someone talks proper. Why are white people the only ones labeled to be successful and speak proper? Why can’t black people or Latinos be all those things without being labeled as “acting white!” Freaking sad! That’s like saying...”don’t go to college and speak proper son because that means your white washed and it goes against who we are!” 🧐
Adrienne has some of the worst guy friends in the world. Either she’s referring to her own exes or uses them as an excuse to say what she really thinks lmao
Anas that‘s what I thought a while ago lol „ I legit have guy friends that literally told me....“ that‘s how she always starts 🤣 she says that she always wants positive people around her that supports one another but lowkey you „guy friends“ ain‘t your friends or she lying to say what she really feels like ..
She said in the past that she never dated anybody she didn't know already. So, if things don't work out with her husband, she'll be dating one of these trash ass dudes that she's always referencing.
Thank you Jeannie. ”I wouldn’t cast it as a fear because there’s a certain independence and mature understanding when you can be life partners without having to go and actually do the very tradition role of marriage. You can be very loyal life partners and have the same vow.”
Preach Loni it shouldn't be looked down upon if a woman chooses not to get married, marriage is not for everybody. Shakira is happy in the commitment she has to her boyfriend, let her be!
Judith Jeanty Sometimes it's not about being complacent. A lot of men stop treating women a certain way after marriage. The dates tend to stop and sometimes he doesn't do all the nice things he did before marriage. A lot of times women don't feel appreciated so they don't tend to make as much of an effort either.
@@puddiesimms2818 Ikr! One of the best groomed man I ever met was never married and he was in his 60s, but damn, he looked so good. He carried himself so well! Don't know why many men let themselves go when they get married... Many women do it too..
I see Marriage as a covenant two people are making with God to love and serve each other. I believe that marriage under God is so important to have that Godly blessing & covering for your partnership. For me that is so different than being married on a piece of paper.
Mercedes Gonzalez When people don’t understand this, they see the marriage license as a legal document. They do not realize that those in Christ would still get married if there were no government benefits because that covenant is blessed by God. Marriage is to mirror Christ and His bride (the church)-Ephesians 5:23-33.
Exactly! Carnal minds cannot see this and therefore akways marry fir the wrong reasons. If you so choose to never marry then in actuality you're not supposed to have sex, or children, or live together. Periodt!😘
I was just about to say, I don't like the dynamic of the show now with her on it. I liked the 4 of them. Nothing against her I just seems really flat right now.
They are intimidated by her intelligence and now everybodys trying to give extra smart answers. I think Jeanie and Tam are the only ones staying true to themselves.
it’s so crazy how people are trying to redefine marriage too. the whole “you do you” mentality is disgusting. commitment shows a strong level of maturity. what’s so bad about committing to someone and THEN starting a family with that person. i swear people do things simply for pleasure. someone not wanting to commit because “anything is possible depending on the behavior”... okay please that’s not someone you’re meant to be with. because if you’ve been with this person for 10 years and NOW u think that their behavior will cause you to leave the relationship... then leave rn. what happened to “working in a marriage?” what about committing to a marriage and if your SO’s behavior bothers you, what about working on it together and growing out of your problems? marriage is so sacred and so beautiful... people are trying to take it out of context and taking things out of order. have kids whenever u want... have sex whenever u want... move in together whenever u want... get married if you “feel” like it... or just not get married at all because you’re “too lazy” to commit. this society has been filled with so much B.S. there are no rules anymore. everything’s been based on “my feeling” “my choice” “my wants.” what about your needs? what about not what you WANT... but what you NEED to do to build a more properly structured family. redefining the original traditions of marriage is just the beginning of breaking families apart. breaking families apart leads to individuals making their own rules on their own the way they want. this leads into a God-less society... which is one that will see the end of the world.
itsmiah2you thank u! yess that’s 100% true .... this nation which was founded on Christianity is beginning to lose its foundation and becoming a more self-centered society ... so sad :(
I think unmarried relationships are easier to walk away from. Like Kourtney & Scott who were 2gether for a while and have 3 kids but never got married.
They are, but that can also be a really good thing. Divorces can get insanely MESSY, and the person that you married can easily disappear when they are up in their feelings mid-divorce.
Alaam N read her comment, she gave an example of kourtney and Scott and I replied by saying he had other issues, some related to alcohol, meaning that not being married wasn’t the issue
I also hope we stop berating women who WANT marriage saying "Why does a piece of paper matter so much to you" ? I've noticed this more and more. I think we should let grown people do whatever the hell they want to do
Eh... nice try, but that's a false argument. The whole "piece of paper" comment is typically in response to women who either are married or want to get married having something critical to say of women who don't. Women who don't want to get married don't just say "Why does a piece of paper matter to you?" unprovoked.
I've been getting so much hate for talking about marriage. I'm 19 and in ten years I'll be almost 30 and I want a baby by then so I gotta plan family around my career I cant afford to waste time it goes by so fast.
@@superash4u578 Thank you! I feel like people are forgetting situations where people make women and young couples feel bad about wanting to get married. I would say if you aren't close to 30, people might not understand or assume it's a rash decision or gun shot marriage.
Have y’all ever noticed Adrienne always speaks about societies labels on wives and marriages and she’s the one in every chat that reinforces those labels 🤨
@Keith MiddletonThen I suppose her boyfriend main goal is to gain financial stability by hoping one magical day she'll get down on one knee and propose.
Watch the part one and see how Tamera cut off Jeannie.. She's forever cutting off others as well. She couldn't let Adrienne speak in that same clip too. So it's not deep if Loni did the same to her
I'm glad Jeannie checked this fear argument... Too many times, I hear women saying to others women «well, then you are scared, or you are coward». This in itself is so wrong. Because then I could return it on the wives and say that you're not that secure or confident on yourself nor your partner because you needed the people's acknowledgement of your commitment to build what your life and marriage is today. That is why I'm like Amanda and Shakira, I feel like I only need to prove myself to God, my partner and I. I might want it but if it's not necessary, I'll be fine too
Yassss! I'm with you on this one minus the god part. Same with Amanda, I don't wanna get married unless it's absolutely necessary. And it's not because I'm scared of the stigma of being a wife and all, I just don't see the point. I feel secure with my relationship and we don't need to sign papers for us to choose to commit to each other.
@@laprietayelguero I thought about it but then remember that even before, way back in history, marriage used to be made within the church without the paperwork. I won't say I know the bible entirely but I'm pretty sure when wedding were mentioned, the paperwork was more of a mankind thing than god's will. So yes, even by church as it the way I personnally believe in 🤗
Sex outside of marriage is fornication if you wanna bring God in this. God honors marriage, no where in the bible does it say it's ok not to marry. Plz, leave God out of it if you have no intentions on marrying the person you're with. I really hate hearing ppl say it's ok and in the same breath expect the Lord to bless it.
Woman doesn't wanna get married: "Good for her. She's doing what she wants.". Guy doesn't wanna get married: "WTF?! Stop stringing her along, & commit already!"
woman also get the "don't worry you will find the right guy soon" and the "she's scared of commitment", but I think that if you don't want to get married shouldn't maybe that's why divorce rates are so high because people get married to people they aren't suppose to marry just because it's the next step.
Really? There are people in these comments (and in the last video) literally saying Shakira is scared, she must be broken, she must have been raised in a broken home, she's lying, etc. There are also people saying that the only reason Amanda doesn't want to get married is because no one wants to marry her. Don't act like women aren't disparaged for expressing these thoughts.
If the couple lives together it requires the same type of commitment. Some people are married paying bills but not being faithful to her wife or husband.
A Lara It’s not quite the same. To untangle yourself from a marriage is much more difficult than to do so from cohabitation. Yes, in either instance, the couple is required to be faithful sexually but as far as commitment goes, marriage is much deeper because of the legal ties
Agreed. Sometimes this show can either be too much of an echo chamber or devolve into an awkward argument, but it was refreshing to see a diversity of opinions expressed while still respecting each others' voices.
This was a very interesting topic. I agree with both Adrienne and Tamera. I would love to be married. You make the marriage what you want it to be and you keep pursuing the other person and making them happy. You have legal rights in a marriage rather than a partnership. For me personally, I am a Christian and marriage is a spiritual thing where I can make a vow before God to commit to this person for life. In saying that I also think that if people don’t wanna be married they don’t have to.
Until your husband cheat on u? People think all marriages are perfect they are not especially when it comes to money. Shakira makes way more money than him she does not want to marry him and now that he cheated she definitely doesn’t. I’m glad she didn’t marry him.
THANK YOU for speaking on this. My goal is not marriage whatsoever. My future career and children are in mind. I am not tying myself to anyone unless I feel it's absolutely necessary.
Very good topic and the points are so valid....the pressure of the stigma is so real especially when your over 30.... but is not always what we want but what God wants us to do.....love you ladies
Honestly marriage is a huge responsible. I don't knock anyone that take their time with that. Take your time because you're the one that's going to be in that marriage!!!
I agree with A. This is why I hate calling my husband “my husband”. I would way rather say my partner .. and then everyone thinks I’m gay lol (not that there is anything wrong with that btw cuz love is love 💛). It’s just bull that being a “wife” is looked at as a bad thing or a nag, annoyance, prison cell and all that crap 😞 marriage is whatever you want it to be .. as long as u marry the right person for YOU
Wait... If there's anything that commits you to someone more than marriage, it's having a child with them. A marriage can end at divorce. Boom. Walk away and forget they existed. But that's not possible with a child in the mix. Hell, you'd even run into your ex at your grandchildren's graduations. So basically, you're connected to each other for the rest of your lives.
EXACTLY! I don't understand why people can justify committing to create a human being with someone they can't sign a marriage contract with if necessary. Having a child invites the government into your life as well so if that's your excuse the moment you book into L&D you start filling out paperwork that will be submitted to the government.
@@CaribGirlBrownSugar so in one instance you can just pack up and leave the next day if you want to and disappear and in the other instance you have to be held accountable for creating a life with someone. Makes sense why you wouldn't want to be married because it's way easier to ditch the commitment you made to someone with no repercussions whatsoever. You can take whatever you want and leave with whatever you want even if it leaves the other person with nothing. Got it.
@@ec6621 if you think that giving your exhusband your money when you divorce is worse than just walking away when you have to separate then thats your opinion. I rather have my child or children having my money than an exhusband. And also the time and energy it takes to get divorced. It can be so stressful. Completely agreeing with Shakira.
I just think as a society we should be okay if people don’t want to get married or if they want to. One shouldn’t be more acceptable than the other. It’s your preference and if that’s what works for you then do it.
The real reason why Shakira is even against getting married is simply because she’s comfortable. She’s comfortable in the dynamic that her relationship is in and the fact that she can be financially independent if she chooses to. I mean yes she has been with this guy for ten years and has birthed two kids...😐 it’s safe to say that she’s very settled with how things are
I think it is great they are having this conversation. Not every woman aspires to be married. I do know women that are so desperate to be called a wife or have a husband that they literally rush down the alter or attach themselves to a man. It's great they can have a real conversation without putting down another person's beliefs.
I haven’t married my babe of 10 years and we have 2 kids together and I have no fear or insecurity of commitment, it’s more of a non priority. If we happy as is then we happy, if in the future we feel like we should both get married then we‘ll get married. Nowadays there’s more bigger things to worry about than marriage, honestly.
Agreed! I’m with you on this. People are quick to judge but as long as you’re happy then why should you feel pressured. Yes there’s more things to worry about.
If Shakira’s boyfriend passes away then his family can come in because she is not his next of kin!! There’s horror stories about that happening to women, all the time!!
Hey am in a non marriage relationship for 23 yrs n it is working so well we still have it the fellings the outtings the looks 🙃everthing is still great.... it works
Ash Tonee yea, but marriage was originally meant for women to be housewives and for them to be literal property to men. A lot of women don’t want to just be with one man for the rest of their life, i’d rather be in a relationship where I may wake up every single day and choose to be with that person rather than be with them because I made a contract to do so 30 years ago haha. Plus marriage was literally originally made to make women domesticated homemakers because they couldn’t take care of themselves financially, it originally had nothing to do with love/ romantic love
@@indiaxlovee yea, I get it. Marriage means different things to different people. I'm like if we're together and we're building a family, generational wealth, and there's love involved let's get married because now we're a team and legally bound together so that if anything happens my family is taken care of.
Ash Tonee true true, especially when the love is genuine. It sad how some people get married because they feel that’s supposed to be whats next in a relationship
One of those topics that highlights just how difficult it is for Adrienne to be the Christian wife of renowned gospel minister Israel Houghton and secular co-host of the Real.
I understand both Tamera and Amanda’s points because for Amanda it’s nice to want to be married but when you look at the legalistic side of things... if you love somebody and genuinely don’t want to cause imperviousness to their heart , your word should be the only thing that matter... no damn contract that could potentially be broken... because I know for some people having to go through the legal process of being married ruins it... if the ceremony in the House of the Lord is not enough... then what are we doing this for... but on Tameras end I can see why it matters so much to her because of the fact that she loves her husband and is in love with her husband and chooses to be with her husband but doesn’t let the other stuff get in the way of that !
Loni and left side I appreciate the openness to accept others as they are! + life is spiritual all in all, no one particular thing solidifies it, unless one is choosing for it to be a physical symbol.
Let’s be real...Shakira tryna protect that $$$...I ain’t mad at it.
Yes, he’s wealthy too but she’s still allowed to protect herself financially in case things go south... Not everyone wants a prenup. And not everyone thinks you need to be married to complete your relationship. If it works as is...then let it work.
A. C lool yeah she’s A LOT richer than him but his net worth is like in the 10s of millions
She’s richer than him but pique is one of the biggest athletes in the world who plays for the biggest football team in the world. He has his own money.
@@naheeda13 Google about it
No that ain’t it. Most Colombians don’t get married. Google it. It’s true. Living and having kids with someone automatically makes them your spouse . Colombian style. 😊
Daniela Achury not really. Most people are married.
Also, I think it's because Shakira's ex-fiancé tried to sue her for $300m too, so she doesn't want to deal with that again.
NOTE: I already know her boyfriend is, he's Pique a famous football player who plays from Barcelona FC and the Spanish national team, I'm from London so I'm in tune with football culture and keep up with the World Cup/UEFA Euro. However Shakira STILLS have a higher net worth and Shakira can continue releasing money and touring whereas Piqué is already 32, in the next 5-10 years he isn't going to playing/earning the same amount of money he earns now. Also splitting up assets as a famous person just seems tedious, even with a prenup involved.
Yup!
xoxlilchicxox
Haha I think that's what Shakira feels deep down, but she's making up some bullshit about keeping things exciting so she doesn't offend her boyfriend lol..
@Javi Ruiz So men & women who are super wealthy shouldn't get married👍.
yeah never even come close to an argentinian man! im warning yall
omg!!
I see why tamera and Adrienne is seating next to each other. They share some sort of similar views
Simply AMJ it’s starting to make sense!
just had the same realization
They are both the married ones on the panel.
This makes it into a debate not a conversation when it’s like this
Simply AMJ Tamera and Adrienne only agree about marriage. Tamera and Jeannie have the most similar opinions on the show. They are both open-minded, intellectual and bubbly people.
Marriage is a personal choice. Have we forgotten about it?
💯.
Im almost 40 i have no interest in doing that
Jeannie is looking lovely 😘
That BBC works wonders..... LOL.
@Harkeen15 What are you on about? None of that is true. Why are you spreading lies?
@Harkeen15 Yes on her forehead and she got it removed. Clearly you don't know the difference between fillers and botox
@Harkeen15 why do you care so much then? Is it going to affect your day if she had work done?
@Harkeen15 clearly you don't know what fillers look like because Jeannie has always had full lips
this topic is complicated and deep. it has everything to do with God, Vows, Government, Rules, Symbolism, Spirtualism, Trust, Worthiness, etc.
ALL Created By One GOOD God. I don’t think it’s that complicated. I don’t believe living together and consciously choosing to stay together unmarried is the same as marriage. Yes, you make the decision to stay with that person but there is no real commitment, meaning, there is no legal document granting you rights to that person and you can walk away from it without any serious legal ramifications. So legally, you’re not really committed in the eyes of God or the public (whether you believe in Him or not) no matter how many years you’ve been living together or how much you’ve invested. Marriage is a form of protection for the spouse to preserve their rights within their relationship (back in the day it was for the wife because the man made the money and she, as his wife, had rights to his income but these days it’s for both men and women). For example, the spouse has the legal right to make decisions on behalf of their partner if their partner is unconscious. The spouse can legally sign certain documents on behalf of their partner. They have the right to personal information from their spouse, etc. You forfeit those rights and more when you’re just shacking up and raising kids together. So no, it’s not complicated. If you don’t make the commitment on paper, it’s not a real commitment. You can call it whatever you want to call it, you can choose not to give it a label. That doesn’t change the truth of the matter. I do understand that Shakira may have gotten hurt in her last divorce. That is a risk to consider which is why marriage is a solemn decision to make and we (I’m including myself because I learned the hard way too) need to be wise in whom we decide to make that commitment. On a side note @All Things Adrienne you have been killing it with your responses. I agree with you on everything you’ve said these last few weeks. You and Tam! Much love to all the ladies. I’m grateful we’re able to share our opinions peacefully and respectfully.
Trueee
@@stephaniemervil5212 You do realize 1. God has nothing to do with religion? Religion may have been formed on the basis of serving a God but we know from the many religions there are that it's more about humans than God. 2. Spirituality has nothing/very little to do with religion. With that said, don't confuse marriage "a legal commitment" with committing before God. NOw i'm not trying to discredit your opinion but I just thought i'd caution/advise you against using "God" to justify marriage and what it is because "marriage" means different things to different people just like God :)
It has nothing to do with God
@@stephaniemervil5212 well said girl! Marriage has been misused and abused so long ppl don't know what the true meaning anymore.
People should stop to pressuring women! I'm only 24 n ppl judge me for not have a kid or being in a relationship!The pressure it's a nightmare, my question is what you gonna get whether i marry or not??
They need to go F themselves.
@@bnwo Nah, you're just a misogynistic little bitch that's always in the comments.
@@allygrint-potter6550 lol NWA is always on the lurking🙄🙄
You have time. 20s is for living, learning. Continue doing you. F society
The best thing to do is not care what they think. To me 24 is too young to have a kid, but its different for everybody. Its best to listen to God and let him choose the guy who will pick you as his wife. Pressure only maked women force themselves into relationships that arent for them just to please others. Let God take control you will be fine.
I adore Tam! I choose to be with my husband everyday!
yet the other women make it sound like shes basic n its the cool new empowering thing now to be unmarried.. sad.
LONA L probably because marriage was originally meant to make women housewives and they were property, it wasn’t about love originally
For black people it was love honey there were no papers only jumped a broom. That's why black love is the best.
You can be with the person you love without getting married, it's just a personal decition.
I think if you say this is my wife or husband it warrants a different level of respect socially than this is my boyfriend.
whitecloudov right! No one wants to be walking around for 10 years calling someone their boyfriend! It’s tacky!
Agreed
whitecloudov agreed
And this is exactly what they’re talking about right here
Yo can say partner, love, my man/lady. It makes no difference if that's not what you want.
I agree with Adrianne‘s comment and the last statement Shakira made was she can leave at any time. If you are scared of commitment and you do not fully trust your partner then do not have two kids with him because you can’t leave anytime sweetheart you have two kids. People take marriage more serious than they take having children with someone and it’s ridiculous.
exactly! People are fkn dumb- They are scared of marriage, but will freely bring another human life into the world... This is why some need to not reproduce!
It's not dumb, marriage is a very serious commitment, in the bible ur partner comes first bfre your child. They can co parent but they just can't wake up and divorce just like that, atleast for sensible pple, divorce comes with a lot of stress and depression and again marriage is a very serious commitment
A lot of people don't think about the kid until after it's born. That's when reality kicks in.
@Javi Ruiz I would think it would be the opposite. If you have 200 million dollars and your ex takes 100 million, you're still fine. You ain't starving lol but if you make $10,000 a year, and your ex wants 5000...then there's going to be some problems lol
Book Bag She can leave anytime and raise 2 kids by co parenting, it’s done by many families
These are all wealthy women. Each of them with net worths of at least $1M; talking about Shakira, a mother, mega-star whose networth is $350M. They are exceptions, not the rule.
For the rest of us average American women, let alone women of color, we will still statistically fare better economically when part of a marriage than cohabiting. This is amplified if we become mothers, which most of us will. It's called the "motherhood penalty" and it affects our bottom line harder than it would Shakira.
Their views, while diverse, seem to treat the exception and the rule as if they're equivalent.
Excellent point
How do you fare better when married? Because of a tax break? You’ll fare really well when it comes to an end and you get a cash prize. There’s only one person getting security here. And don’t tell you would never do that. I’m just saying you can do that.
@@alex124241 taxes? Lol that's small potatoes. I'm not just looking at that, I'm looking at a bigger picture.
Numerous studies across the decades have compared married versus cohabiting couples against mostly 2 main categories- health and economics. And these studies have consistently demonstrated that married couples fare better economically (higher household incomes, salaries, and wealth) and health (longer lifespans, rates of diseases, and healthier lifestyles).
Similarly married *parents* fare better economically than cohabiting *parents* . And cohabiting parents fare better economically than solo parents.
www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/04/25/the-changing-profile-of-unmarried-parents/
@@alex124241 Cash prize after it ends? Only one person gains security there?
Yes, when it comes to economics, on average divorced men fare better after divorces/long term compared to divorced women. But also fare worse long term in the category of health, compared to divorced women.
Though I should highlight that this is not necessarily due to the divorce between husbands and wives, but rather the separation of *mothers and fathers* .
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5992251/
Esmeralda Carbajal It’s interesting that you acknowledged racial dynamics relative to the status of being single but you completely disregarded it in the context of marriage. “Married couples fare better economically” is true depending on the racial background of the couple. White and Asian women who have white and Asian husbands for the most part fare better economically than when single.
But the economics are not the same for Black women and non-white Latinas because their prospective husbands (Black and non-white Hispanics) are at the bottom of the economic ladder. I am African-American (and female) but my income is twice as high as the average income for a Black individual.
Also, there are nuances to the health benefits as well. I have read studies on the same subject and have found that the biggest health differences are between married MEN and single men. But those benefits aren’t replicated for women. I’m pretty sure wealth and money has to do with health as well so the racial dynamic is still probably relevant to those health benefits you mentioned.
If Shakira is happy why should it even be a topic.
Thank you!
True.
It’s to promote conversation about the topic. It’s not just about her
because even though your low key complaining they knew you'd click, affirming the decision to discuss it
Right I agree why do you have to marry to be happy
Adrienne is stepping up and making good points, good for her
susan no she’s not. claiming a girl is afraid of marriage because she chooses to not want to be married is not a point. not all women want to get married. that doesn’t make them afraid of marriage.
Oh my God I just saw the reason for the seating chart. They brought the more conservative ladies to one side and the more liberal ladies to the other side.
U got it!
Loni is the most conservative of them all, so your claim is kind of ridiculous, lol. On this issue, Tam and Ade (and also Jeannie in the past) are just simply more pro marriage and more pro tradition (Loni would've been the same too, if she only had a successful marriage).
In any case, no need to be surprised; this is what those of us that have been watching the show for a long time and have a clue about these kinds of things know.
You're right and Lonis opinions often are on the "fence".
Lonnie is in the middle because she is the main person on the show. She even said that when they hired her they wanted to have a talk so just for her but they brought the ladies on . I think she definitely has more say on where she sits then everybody else.
Adrienne isn’t conservative. Tamera definitely is, though. I think they just put the wives on one side.
I only like Adrienne, Tamera and Jeannies opinions they’re so open minded everyone else sounds like they’re only saying what they feel sounds right
Agreed although Jeanie is the best 🤣😂❤️❤️
🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Its sad when someone doesn’t agree with certain views and then says they “aren’t black” or “they “aren’t for us.” Why can’t she just have her own opinion regardless of race? Not all white people think the same, not all black people think the same, and ect. Honestly I would be pissed if someone told me I had to like certain things or have certain beliefs because of my race. One of my pet peeves is when I hear...”your not black enough or Latino enough” because someone talks proper. Why are white people the only ones labeled to be successful and speak proper? Why can’t black people or Latinos be all those things without being labeled as “acting white!” Freaking sad! That’s like saying...”don’t go to college and speak proper son because that means your white washed and it goes against who we are!” 🧐
Right!!
Adrienne has some of the worst guy friends in the world. Either she’s referring to her own exes or uses them as an excuse to say what she really thinks lmao
Anas that‘s what I thought a while ago lol „ I legit have guy friends that literally told me....“ that‘s how she always starts 🤣 she says that she always wants positive people around her that supports one another but lowkey you „guy friends“ ain‘t your friends or she lying to say what she really feels like ..
She said in the past that she never dated anybody she didn't know already. So, if things don't work out with her husband, she'll be dating one of these trash ass dudes that she's always referencing.
You Tried It! 💀💀
Im just looking back at when she used to say Israel and her were friends for a really long time...
Saying that Shakira is afraid of marriage?? 😂😂😂😂😂 get the f out. I bet A’s bored with that husband she never talks about.
Thank you Jeannie. ”I wouldn’t cast it as a fear because there’s a certain independence and mature understanding when you can be life partners without having to go and actually do the very tradition role of marriage. You can be very loyal life partners and have the same vow.”
Preach Loni it shouldn't be looked down upon if a woman chooses not to get married, marriage is not for everybody. Shakira is happy in the commitment she has to her boyfriend, let her be!
She literally said that she doesn’t believe that she needs to get married to love her boyfriend
Adrienne I appreciate your input! Wives can be fun! Don’t get complacent. Dress up for your man! Get cute! Stay cute! Feel cute!
Judith Jeanty Sometimes it's not about being complacent. A lot of men stop treating women a certain way after marriage. The dates tend to stop and sometimes he doesn't do all the nice things he did before marriage. A lot of times women don't feel appreciated so they don't tend to make as much of an effort either.
@@zariaeda007 you said it best, also what about the husband staying handsome, staying fit and being on point please that's a two way street.
@@puddiesimms2818 Ikr! One of the best groomed man I ever met was never married and he was in his 60s, but damn, he looked so good. He carried himself so well! Don't know why many men let themselves go when they get married... Many women do it too..
Sasha T They get used to being taken care of and being fed
Cheetah 6 marry a guy that puts in the same effort as you
I see Marriage as a covenant two people are making with God to love and serve each other. I believe that marriage under God is so important to have that Godly blessing & covering for your partnership. For me that is so different than being married on a piece of paper.
Mercedes Gonzalez When people don’t understand this, they see the marriage license as a legal document. They do not realize that those in Christ would still get married if there were no government benefits because that covenant is blessed by God. Marriage is to mirror Christ and His bride (the church)-Ephesians 5:23-33.
Jude Lag Amen!
Exactly! Carnal minds cannot see this and therefore akways marry fir the wrong reasons. If you so choose to never marry then in actuality you're not supposed to have sex, or children, or live together. Periodt!😘
Beautifully written.
Lol but I'm athiest
I'm loving Amanda on the show because its more logic than emotion now, better yet a balance. Appreciate it
I was just about to say, I don't like the dynamic of the show now with her on it. I liked the 4 of them. Nothing against her I just seems really flat right now.
She’s too loud
They are intimidated by her intelligence and now everybodys trying to give extra smart answers. I think Jeanie and Tam are the only ones staying true to themselves.
I don’t. Not because she isn’t a fabulous host, but the show was great with just the 4 of them. Why fix what ain’t broke ugh
She is emotional with a stank face at all time
it’s so crazy how people are trying to redefine marriage too. the whole “you do you” mentality is disgusting. commitment shows a strong level of maturity. what’s so bad about committing to someone and THEN starting a family with that person. i swear people do things simply for pleasure. someone not wanting to commit because “anything is possible depending on the behavior”... okay please that’s not someone you’re meant to be with. because if you’ve been with this person for 10 years and NOW u think that their behavior will cause you to leave the relationship... then leave rn. what happened to “working in a marriage?” what about committing to a marriage and if your SO’s behavior bothers you, what about working on it together and growing out of your problems? marriage is so sacred and so beautiful... people are trying to take it out of context and taking things out of order. have kids whenever u want... have sex whenever u want... move in together whenever u want... get married if you “feel” like it... or just not get married at all because you’re “too lazy” to commit. this society has been filled with so much B.S. there are no rules anymore. everything’s been based on “my feeling” “my choice” “my wants.” what about your needs? what about not what you WANT... but what you NEED to do to build a more properly structured family. redefining the original traditions of marriage is just the beginning of breaking families apart. breaking families apart leads to individuals making their own rules on their own the way they want. this leads into a God-less society... which is one that will see the end of the world.
Stavrena Mikha best comment I’ve seen on this topic! 💗💗💗👍🏾 In the Bible it says people would call evil good and good evil.
itsmiah2you thank u! yess that’s 100% true .... this nation which was founded on Christianity is beginning to lose its foundation and becoming a more self-centered society ... so sad :(
oh u brought God into it and lost me
Stavrena Mikha I agree. Marriage is sacred.
Here come the church Beckys
Amanda’s cheekbones tho 👏🏽🙌🏽⚡️ hahaha
Yes 🌟
Ok... Time To Bring Shakira Onto The Show!! #ShakiraShakira 💋💋💋💜💜💜
Jesus, I love these women.
I think unmarried relationships are easier to walk away from. Like Kourtney & Scott who were 2gether for a while and have 3 kids but never got married.
Ya but Scott had a lot of personal issues related to alcohol so that’s a little different
They are, but that can also be a really good thing. Divorces can get insanely MESSY, and the person that you married can easily disappear when they are up in their feelings mid-divorce.
Alaam N read her comment, she gave an example of kourtney and Scott and I replied by saying he had other issues, some related to alcohol, meaning that not being married wasn’t the issue
@@mayab.1633 she said it was easier to walk away from the relationship because they were not married.
lexi219 yes definitely. Marriage does make it harder for some people and these ladies can front all they want but they know it too.
She just doesn’t want to be married. Lol.
@Hay You it could be a factor but some people just don’t want to be married for personal (not financial) reasons.
“A commitment is a commitment as long as it’s a commitment” - Loni Luv 2020....
Thank you Adrienne! You said it perfectly about marriage. Thanks for speaking up and defending the significance of being married.
I also hope we stop berating women who WANT marriage saying "Why does a piece of paper matter so much to you" ? I've noticed this more and more. I think we should let grown people do whatever the hell they want to do
Eh... nice try, but that's a false argument. The whole "piece of paper" comment is typically in response to women who either are married or want to get married having something critical to say of women who don't. Women who don't want to get married don't just say "Why does a piece of paper matter to you?" unprovoked.
Agatha z Ok, dear. Enjoy.
Yes loni said (if u wanna be married thats fine) as if its the exception
I've been getting so much hate for talking about marriage. I'm 19 and in ten years I'll be almost 30 and I want a baby by then so I gotta plan family around my career I cant afford to waste time it goes by so fast.
@@superash4u578 Thank you! I feel like people are forgetting situations where people make women and young couples feel bad about wanting to get married. I would say if you aren't close to 30, people might not understand or assume it's a rash decision or gun shot marriage.
Have y’all ever noticed Adrienne always speaks about societies labels on wives and marriages and she’s the one in every chat that reinforces those labels 🤨
Ikr 🤦🏾♀️
exactly like which one is it adrienne👀
Yes she’s the biggest hypocrite 😂 she’s always been
She’s just not judgmental she has her own opinions but she doesn’t force them on anyone else which is how it should be.
And its always in the view of the wife and not the husband. She rarely addresses the husbands in topics like these.
Marriage is what you make it and if you choose not to get married that’s fine and dandy too.
Shakira is worth 350 million. She can do whatever she wants
Thank you! I’m not worried about them😂
Exactly
So if her network was worth $35,000 then she can't do what she wants?
@Keith MiddletonThen I suppose her boyfriend main goal is to gain financial stability by hoping one magical day she'll get down on one knee and propose.
Thats right! She can do and will do whatever she wants! I would do the same!!!
Long time since I heard someone say 'GOD Bless You'!! Thanks Adrienne ❤❤
loni really cut of tamera mid sentence huh. "i choose to be with my husband.." loni: "I THINK PEOPLE WEAPONIZE MARRIAGE"
Watch the part one and see how Tamera cut off Jeannie.. She's forever cutting off others as well. She couldn't let Adrienne speak in that same clip too. So it's not deep if Loni did the same to her
I always love Adrienne's opinions. She's highly intelligent.
canzbleu lol
These ladies are so inspiring!!
Adrienne said it best
I'm glad Jeannie checked this fear argument... Too many times, I hear women saying to others women «well, then you are scared, or you are coward». This in itself is so wrong. Because then I could return it on the wives and say that you're not that secure or confident on yourself nor your partner because you needed the people's acknowledgement of your commitment to build what your life and marriage is today. That is why I'm like Amanda and Shakira, I feel like I only need to prove myself to God, my partner and I.
I might want it but if it's not necessary, I'll be fine too
So then marriage by church?
Yassss! I'm with you on this one minus the god part. Same with Amanda, I don't wanna get married unless it's absolutely necessary. And it's not because I'm scared of the stigma of being a wife and all, I just don't see the point. I feel secure with my relationship and we don't need to sign papers for us to choose to commit to each other.
@@laprietayelguero I thought about it but then remember that even before, way back in history, marriage used to be made within the church without the paperwork. I won't say I know the bible entirely but I'm pretty sure when wedding were mentioned, the paperwork was more of a mankind thing than god's will. So yes, even by church as it the way I personnally believe in 🤗
With all due respect, God opposes having sex outside of the perimeters of marriage.
Sex outside of marriage is fornication if you wanna bring God in this. God honors marriage, no where in the bible does it say it's ok not to marry.
Plz, leave God out of it if you have no intentions on marrying the person you're with. I really hate hearing ppl say it's ok and in the same breath expect the Lord to bless it.
Woman doesn't wanna get married: "Good for her. She's doing what she wants.". Guy doesn't wanna get married: "WTF?! Stop stringing her along, & commit already!"
woman also get the "don't worry you will find the right guy soon" and the "she's scared of commitment", but I think that if you don't want to get married shouldn't maybe that's why divorce rates are so high because people get married to people they aren't suppose to marry just because it's the next step.
Really? There are people in these comments (and in the last video) literally saying Shakira is scared, she must be broken, she must have been raised in a broken home, she's lying, etc. There are also people saying that the only reason Amanda doesn't want to get married is because no one wants to marry her. Don't act like women aren't disparaged for expressing these thoughts.
Ellande Campbell so
lexi219: Not as much as men (especially by women)
kd: So? The point is that it's hypocritical
I love adrienne
Who doesn’t???
Jeannie's look is giving me life!!gorgeous!!😍
Marriage is a whole other level of commitment. Let’s be real
If the couple lives together it requires the same type of commitment. Some people are married paying bills but not being faithful to her wife or husband.
A Lara It’s not quite the same. To untangle yourself from a marriage is much more difficult than to do so from cohabitation. Yes, in either instance, the couple is required to be faithful sexually but as far as commitment goes, marriage is much deeper because of the legal ties
-. A but you can leave during a lease way easier than divorce
Sure, like how it’s weaponized. You know things get ugly with DIVORCE. I guess it’s a whole other level
PrettyPoppin I agree
I really enjoyed everyone's point of view on this topic. Well done ladies!!!
Yes indeed
Agreed. Sometimes this show can either be too much of an echo chamber or devolve into an awkward argument, but it was refreshing to see a diversity of opinions expressed while still respecting each others' voices.
@@lexi219 Yes indeed
I love Adrienne's take on this topic.
This was a very interesting topic. I agree with both Adrienne and Tamera. I would love to be married. You make the marriage what you want it to be and you keep pursuing the other person and making them happy. You have legal rights in a marriage rather than a partnership. For me personally, I am a Christian and marriage is a spiritual thing where I can make a vow before God to commit to this person for life. In saying that I also think that if people don’t wanna be married they don’t have to.
I agree with you, and would love to get married someday as well.
I LOVE being my husband’s wife. He’s my soul mate for sure.
Jaded Perceptions beautiful! I hated being married ! 😩
Until your husband cheat on u? People think all marriages are perfect they are not especially when it comes to money. Shakira makes way more money than him she does not want to marry him and now that he cheated she definitely doesn’t. I’m glad she didn’t marry him.
I got married religiously 5 years ago, still haven’t invited the government into my relationship either Amanda. I get you
@Midwest Kandi you wrote that over..thats how scripture gets mixed up.
"A commitment is a commitment as long as it is a commitment"
And just like that, the seating arrangement suddenly makes more sense to me. I enjoyed the different perspectives of this conversation.
THANK YOU for speaking on this. My goal is not marriage whatsoever. My future career and children are in mind. I am not tying myself to anyone unless I feel it's absolutely necessary.
How will this go about if the man thought like this?
Adrienne was preaching!
Very good topic and the points are so valid....the pressure of the stigma is so real especially when your over 30.... but is not always what we want but what God wants us to do.....love you ladies
Oh my goodness i just love tamara's hair it's a fancy diffrent type of Bun. I need to try that
Like Blake Shelton said once: “No matter what #Shakira says, she’s always right.” PERIODT!!! 💅🏼
Wow, this is the first time I agree with Adrienne 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾😮
iesha Hunt same
I always agree with A
This was a very intelligent conversation! I wish more people thought this way
Excellent Adrienne!
Honestly marriage is a huge responsible. I don't knock anyone that take their time with that. Take your time because you're the one that's going to be in that marriage!!!
but letting a man drop his sperm and bring children into the world, are less of a responsibility? Ya'll dummies sound crazy.
Yes! Agreed
@@hollywoodcole4046 coparenting will always be an option. And for some women even single parenting is an option.
I agree with A. This is why I hate calling my husband “my husband”. I would way rather say my partner .. and then everyone thinks I’m gay lol (not that there is anything wrong with that btw cuz love is love 💛). It’s just bull that being a “wife” is looked at as a bad thing or a nag, annoyance, prison cell and all that crap 😞 marriage is whatever you want it to be .. as long as u marry the right person for YOU
I agree with Adrienne. Wise words ❤️
What made them choose this new seating arrangements
Love y'all 😘
Wait... If there's anything that commits you to someone more than marriage, it's having a child with them. A marriage can end at divorce. Boom. Walk away and forget they existed. But that's not possible with a child in the mix. Hell, you'd even run into your ex at your grandchildren's graduations. So basically, you're connected to each other for the rest of your lives.
EXACTLY! I don't understand why people can justify committing to create a human being with someone they can't sign a marriage contract with if necessary. Having a child invites the government into your life as well so if that's your excuse the moment you book into L&D you start filling out paperwork that will be submitted to the government.
Soo what? As long as you dont need to pay your exhusband because he has less money than you. And usually a divorce ends worse than just seperating.
@@CaribGirlBrownSugar so in one instance you can just pack up and leave the next day if you want to and disappear and in the other instance you have to be held accountable for creating a life with someone. Makes sense why you wouldn't want to be married because it's way easier to ditch the commitment you made to someone with no repercussions whatsoever. You can take whatever you want and leave with whatever you want even if it leaves the other person with nothing. Got it.
@@CaribGirlBrownSugar usually a separation between parents ends up worse than a divorce of the couple if they didn't have a child.
@@ec6621 if you think that giving your exhusband your money when you divorce is worse than just walking away when you have to separate then thats your opinion. I rather have my child or children having my money than an exhusband. And also the time and energy it takes to get divorced. It can be so stressful. Completely agreeing with Shakira.
Omg invite Shakira to the show pls 💙
Quick side note before I add my real comment on this video, but the way Adrienne said God bless you was adorable
I thought Shakira IS married... am I the only who thought she is, and is surprised 😯 to discover she, in fact, is not?
Onyi Aneke no you’re not. I’m a huge Barcelona fan and I thought she was married to Gerard Pique.
Same! I had no idea
I thought Pique locked it down a long time ago, so I'm surprised to learn that they've never married.
I just think as a society we should be okay if people don’t want to get married or if they want to. One shouldn’t be more acceptable than the other. It’s your preference and if that’s what works for you then do it.
Danayshia MUA Yes girl! Preach! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💗
Y’all need to combine these part 1 part 2 videos into 1! Sheesh!
I need Jeannie to stand up so i can see what she's wearing. It looks sharp.
Shakira is an Aquarius, Oprah is an Aquarius, I'm an Aquarius, we are somehow afraid of overwhelming commitment😂 it's unexplainable
Wow! Same!
Yes! My man is an Aquarius and is not into marriage
Yup
The real reason why Shakira is even against getting married is simply because she’s comfortable. She’s comfortable in the dynamic that her relationship is in and the fact that she can be financially independent if she chooses to. I mean yes she has been with this guy for ten years and has birthed two kids...😐 it’s safe to say that she’s very settled with how things are
I think it is great they are having this conversation. Not every woman aspires to be married. I do know women that are so desperate to be called a wife or have a husband that they literally rush down the alter or attach themselves to a man. It's great they can have a real conversation without putting down another person's beliefs.
I appreciate Adrienne bringing up the fear of being a wife these days, which is very REAL.
Yasssssss shakira. Do what you got to do. I like the marriage route lol
I'm just Surprised No one brought up the Fact that Married is Honorable In the eyes of God!
I loved this segment a lot
More power to Shakira for standing by her beliefs, values, and who she is with or without being married
Shakira, I feel the same.
Me 2
Me 3 ;) Nice to know I'm not the only one
Such an aquarius trait ♒you go Shakira!!
Adrienne "Baby you're low-key are already in a marriage" 😂
I haven’t married my babe of 10 years and we have 2 kids together and I have no fear or insecurity of commitment, it’s more of a non priority. If we happy as is then we happy, if in the future we feel like we should both get married then we‘ll get married. Nowadays there’s more bigger things to worry about than marriage, honestly.
Agreed! I’m with you on this. People are quick to judge but as long as you’re happy then why should you feel pressured. Yes there’s more things to worry about.
let's be real if any of these unwed ladies' men popped the question with ring they would be over the moon.
If Shakira’s boyfriend passes away then his family can come in because she is not his next of kin!!
There’s horror stories about that happening to women, all the time!!
Ms. Beautiful He can sign a living will and will if he wanted to. You can put anyone in a will so things like that don't happen.
Zariaeda 007
Yeah right! I’d rather have the Marriage Certificate that shows me as his NEXT OF KIN!!!
Actually, you can go to the hospital and make anyone your next of kin.
Hey am in a non marriage relationship for 23 yrs n it is working so well we still have it the fellings the outtings the looks 🙃everthing is still great.... it works
Also Shakira is like 10 yrs older than him, and maybe she’s afraid he’s going to start wandering around if they get married.
She knows he will replace her before she hits 50 - so why bother to marry? Hot rich guys do not go long term with much older women.
Blanca Gonzales It would be easier for him to wander around now that they're unmarried so your comment doesn't really make sense
Marriage vs. Dating is like buying a home vs. renting.
Ash Tonee yea, but marriage was originally meant for women to be housewives and for them to be literal property to men. A lot of women don’t want to just be with one man for the rest of their life, i’d rather be in a relationship where I may wake up every single day and choose to be with that person rather than be with them because I made a contract to do so 30 years ago haha. Plus marriage was literally originally made to make women domesticated homemakers because they couldn’t take care of themselves financially, it originally had nothing to do with love/ romantic love
@@indiaxlovee yea, I get it. Marriage means different things to different people.
I'm like if we're together and we're building a family, generational wealth, and there's love involved let's get married because now we're a team and legally bound together so that if anything happens my family is taken care of.
Ash Tonee true true, especially when the love is genuine. It sad how some people get married because they feel that’s supposed to be whats next in a relationship
@@JusPhucket You don’t marriage for that
One of those topics that highlights just how difficult it is for Adrienne to be the Christian wife of renowned gospel minister Israel Houghton and secular co-host of the Real.
chimuan1 it’s gonna be even harder if she starts her music career and it’s secular music with a husband who is a gospel singer minister.
She works at The Real. If you going to judge at least get the facts correct😂😂.
chimuan1 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i swear to god
crankin21guns Lol, you’re right.
I love Loni’s words.🙌🏾
I truly agree with y’all
hwo wants to be just 4 hosts like it used to be? ... idk everytime they talk someone will be left out .always :(
I understand both Tamera and Amanda’s points because for Amanda it’s nice to want to be married but when you look at the legalistic side of things... if you love somebody and genuinely don’t want to cause imperviousness to their heart , your word should be the only thing that matter... no damn contract that could potentially be broken... because I know for some people having to go through the legal process of being married ruins it... if the ceremony in the House of the Lord is not enough... then what are we doing this for... but on Tameras end I can see why it matters so much to her because of the fact that she loves her husband and is in love with her husband and chooses to be with her husband but doesn’t let the other stuff get in the way of that !
Loni and left side I appreciate the openness to accept others as they are! + life is spiritual all in all, no one particular thing solidifies it, unless one is choosing for it to be a physical symbol.
"A commitment is a commitment, as long as it's a commitment" - Loni
I mean, telling him you're NEVER GETTING MARRIED, is pretty much the same as getting married. lol but ok
you are everywhere you are so arrogant
Loni whooooo says “if you are not married, you are not a woman.” 🙄🙄🙄
Amy Zorah a lot of people say that.
Society has always put a womans value into her being married and being able to have children, let's not be dense to the pressures women go through.
I've been called and excuse of a women for not wanting to get married... so more people then you think.
Amy Zorah that’s just what I was thinking! I’ve never in my life heard someone say that to me 🤔🤷🏽♀️
@@roxjnie9028 🙊 damn! 😂 shots fired! Pun intended
Thank you Jeannie for checking Adrienne on calling it "fear".
this went deeper than it should be. LOL