I admit I prefer the look of the 285s, but the 265s are probably better for my lifestyle since my Tacoma spends 95% of its life on asphalt or concrete and I should care more about fuel economy than off-road traction. Also, since I live in the midwest where we deal with a lot of snow, the larger contact patch of the 285s would actually work against me (although likely not in a meaningful way).
@@jcguevara4465 A wider tire can distribute the weight across a larger area. This works as an advantage often, but in snow covered roads it can sometimes result in worse performance as the tires tend to ride over the snow instead of through the snow. I've heard people call it the "pizza cutter effect" where a skinny tire will actually do better in deep snow because it cuts through it whereas a wide tire floats above it and won't have as much traction (since snow offers no traction whatsoever). That said, a wider tire might perform better on ice and in other conditions where distributing the weight across a larger area works to your advantage.
@@jcguevara4465 if you look at Paris Dakar or bad weather rally tyres, those are very narrow. Wide tyre will float more over the loose surface while a narrow tyre will to dig in (mud, sand or snow) and get to the hard stuff, or will be less likely to suffer from aqua planning. Of course this is extreme racing but underlines the reasons. Wide tyres are better on dry surface and for stopping power. Altough a wide mud tyre will have significantly less contact surface than a narrower AT or Highway tyre. If you look at those classic 4wd that have crossed Africa for decades (old landrover and landcruiser 70,s) those always had narrow tyres. Wide tyres may look cool and trendy, that does not make it a superior tyres, just better in certain applications.
I like my 265 70 17 Falken Wildpeaks. I dont like rock crawling but do enjoy offroading on scenic trails, including sand and snow, and the 31 inch Wildpaks have been great for that. i'm getting a decent 16 to 17 city and 22 to 23 flat highway but more AC usage lowers that.
It all comes down to what's more important to you. I prefer the smaller tires. Better fuel mileage, less wind resistance,more proper speedometer calibration, and narrower tires cut through mud and s b ow more easily, along with less rolling resistance and better power usage.
You failed to mention the *aspect* ratio of each tire, for a proper comparison - An OEM 265/65R17 compared to a '285'/_ _)R17 ?? I'll take a chance here and guess that you mean a 285 / *70* R17. The section width of the '265' is 10.43" (That's not the *TREAD* width, folks) and the section width of the '285' is 11.22". The overall height is approximately 30.56" for the 265/65R17, while the overall height is approximately 32.70". That's a 2.14" difference in height, yet only barely over 1" more ground. Among many other things - I mount, balance and repair tires at my current job and have been doing so (on/off) well over 30 years now. I've run many different size tires on my personal vehicles and have test-driven countless others. With that said - In my personal experience - a 70-series tires simply rides much smoother than an 65-series. Simple rule of thumb is that the more sidewall (height) you have - the less your vehicle will ride like a tank. I think the reason manufactures switched most trucks, light trucks and especially SUV's to shorter / stiffer sidewalls is because most people never see off-road and the shorter / stiffer tires will handle better at speeds above 65mph on the freeways. Now - if you love the look of huge rims with low-profile / aggressive tread (BLECH!) - You 'could opt for installing something silly like a 275/45R22 - which will have a height of around 31.74" (a littler over an inch taller than the OEM 265/65R17). But as I've just said - they'll ride really rough and just wreak havoc on your stock suspension. Please note that the 285/70R17 will fit on newer Tacomas - But you may have to trim the front fender liners. If it were me - personally - I would much rather enjoy the LOOK and the BETTER RIDE QUALITY of 285/70R17's, than the OEM 265/65R17's - and your speedometer will only be off, by less than 5mph. Make sure when your buying ANY new set of tires, that all the DOT numbers are close to being manufactured within the same year - - As sometimes - a tire/service center or even distributor will have three tires manufactured within the same current year - and you might just get one that's a year or more older. The last FOUR digits of a tire's DOT (the longer number - on one side only) will tell you the week (first 2 digits) and the year (last 2 digits) in which that tire was manufactured. Ask BEFOREHAND that they be sure to change out your TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) *Valve Stems* with new ones. Most professional / reputable shops will do this at no added charge, as it should be included with the cost of the new tires. Please hose-off / thoroughly clean your truck's wheels BEFORE having your new tires installed, as heavy deposits of dirt / mud / brake dust / grease on the INSIDE of the rims will affect the adhesion of the balancing tape weights - and most likely piss off the service tech assigned to your vehicle. ASK BEFOREHAND that their service tech to either tighten ALL lug nuts BY HAND, or at the very least - gun them on LIGHTLY with their shop's impact gun and then torque them to factory specs. If the torque wrench doesn't slightly move the lug nut as they're applying force to it, then they're already gunned on too tight. This can cause you issues, should you have to remove them by hand to install your spare - and not having an even toque setting on all lug nut may even (over time) warp your brake disc rotors. Keep your expensive new tires clean front AND back and don't use solvent-based tire dressings - The petroleum distillates in the formula actually leach essentials chemicals and oils out of your tires, which can/will lead to premature cracking / fading. Use only water-based tire dressings and please DON'T use any tire dressing at all, if you haven't first thoroughly scrubbed your tires with soap / water and rinsed well. Tire dressing on top of embedded dirt / brake dust only will eventually lead to your sidewalls becoming a slimy mess... (And yet another way to piss-off the technician who is assigned to rotating / balancing your new tires. When you bring your tires in for rotation - Ask that they not only rotate, but re-balance ALL FOUR tires. Most places simply will balance the ones getting rotated to the FRONT, so the ones going to the rear might go over 10,000 miles without getting re-balanced - and by that time, due to excessive wear and neglect and failure to maintain recommended air pressures - your expensive set of tires are now irregularly worn pieces of junk. That's the tip of the iceberg on 'my' advice. ;)
@John Rabaste' Hey John well done! I do hope you're glad you did, otherwise I'll feel bad for encouraging you. And confession. I usually give up on long comments, but I was glad I kept going on this one. Cheers Steve
265s Wildpeak AT3W on my 3rd gen 4runner V6 manual. Love the feel, love the look. I do mostly scenic trails and camping so I don’t need a 285 clearance for my needs.👍
I just crested 50k with my trd 4x4. Because I am not a rock crawler but I do travel a lot on rough/dirt roads and I travel long distances I went a different route. I swapped out the stock Goodyear Wrangler 265/70/16 to lighter weight all-terrain to Cooper Discoverer 245/75/16. The benefit of this is mpg for example I just got gas in Seattle after traveling from Bend Oregon and my ending mpg was 23.7. My average around town and even towing my lightweight low profile trailer for work is between 18.5 -20 mpg. My best mpg so far is 25.9 hwy. Basically having skinnier tires = less rolling resistance and being lighter all helps with mpg. With my stock tires I could not drive above 62mph without the mpg taking a dive and now I can at least go the 70mph speed limit. My next tires will be Nokian all-terrain because they are 32pds each so I should see even more mpg improvement.
The first number is the width of the tire, not the height. The second number is the sidewall in percent ratio of the width. All three numbers are necessary for determining these differences.
Agreed the first number only tells you how wide they are. She doesn’t even mention the sidewall ratio, or the rim size. Therefore she has compared nothing but the width.
@@wv-dixie6374 no 31x10.50 is an imperial measurement of tires using inches. The measurements she is mentioning are a metric method of measuring tires. 285 refers to the width of the tire in millimeters even though 285/75r18 still refers to inches in rim diameter.
I went straight for the comments looking to make sure someone corrected her. She should take this video down and redo it explaining the second number for the side wall ratio and the third for wheel diameter. Hoping viewers dont share and regurgitate this incomplete information.
The performance loss is mostly because you lose torque due to a larger circumference, not from the weight. A majority of the performance will be restored once you regear the differentials.
Love my KO2s bought them in September of 2019 for my 2018 Taco OR. I’ve been in the PNW playing with them and they are still on my truck after all that time and multiple trips from WA to FL. Great tire if you keep them rotated. I’m rolling on 285s going to go to a 295
I stay with the stock size on my 2020 Off Road. I’m on the highway everyday and gas mileage is critical. I hardly go off road, so putting on bigger tires and rims wouldn’t make sense for me. If I head down the road at 60 mph, I can get 24-26 mpg.
@@RoryEckel 2019 3rd gen v6 auto I average around 19/21 highway driving at roughly 70-75mph. if I am aggressive city driving it is like 13mpg lol so I try to baby it now with the lovely gas prices!
I run factory TRD OR 16" wheels with Kenda Klever AT2's: 265/75/16's (32's) and Falcon 2 inch lift front n back...looks pretty good too! POU for this rig is 1st: daily commuter 2nd: weekend overlander.... I thought about 33's long and hard for a year after I bought the truck...but now with gas prices where they're at?? Dang son...I almost regret the set up I have now!....almost. I average about 15-18mpg out here in San Bernardino with my setup...I used to do 18- 20 mpg when I had the truck stock...
This seems true in theory, but I would love to see a side by side test going over the same obstacles. Would also love to see the difference in breaking performance on pavement.
255/80r17 is very underrated. Best off road, best for gas, best for speed, not bad on looks and it runs quieter. Yes it is slightly narrow, but it is very tall and looks more full out on the wheel arch.... Best of all, the 255/80r17 gives you a free 0.5 inch lift. So my 3 inch lift is now a 3.5 inch lift and I can tell it got taller too.
32s with small cut on inside is just fine. My 2021 tacoma trd off road stock height with 32s bfg ko2 just fine I haven’t had issues. I’d get off-road bumpers before deciding to go bigger tires.
I'm at 45k miles on my 2018 and I want to move up to 285's...need some lift for no rubbing..feel this time around I might end up staying with my 265 Falkens A/T's which have really served me well.
The 285s are the best all around even though I run toyo M-55s on my truck it never gets stuck anywhere and the BFG’s are perfect for a light duty truck but they don’t work very well with a heavy duty truck
It also affects the overall gearing. Your car won’t roll as a slowly when crawling over obstacles in high or low range. Tyres that are too big can really play havoc with cars that have a manual transmission when you’re trying to crawl in gear and stay off the clutch. It also puts a lot more stress on the clutch moving off from a standing start. But so long as it looks tough, no one seems to worry.
I miss my crown vic-I had 265s in rear and 215s in front. Cherry red with chrome rims around and straight pipes. I looked like a kingpin crack dealer haha!
I love when people refer to tire height using the three digit width number. The 265 and 285 on these tires is the width in mm’s the second 2 digit number on the tire size is the aspect ratio, which is the height of the sidewall as a percentage of the width. 60%, 70%, 75%. The secret number for full tire formula to inches is .0394! Like this… 285x.0394=11.229 (inches wide) 11.229x.70=7.86 (inches of sidewall beyond rim) 7.86x2=15.72 (inches of side wall above and below rim…or side and side) 15.72”+17”=32.72” (overall height of tire and wheel). So a 285/70r17 is 32.72” tall and 11.23” wide at footprint with 7.86” sidewalls. Remember that number .0394! It’s the constant in the conversion formula.
285 and 265 are the just the widths of the tire, and do not make your speed off. The overall tire diameter can cause the error in your speedo if different than stock; this is determined by the diameter of the wheel/rim and the height of the tire which is the width of the tread multiplied by the aspect ratio of the tire x 2.
@eneveasi I’ve had pretty well any size you can think of from stock to 40’s over the years. But for a daily driver that you take off-road, 255/80/17’s are lighter, don’t have the rubbing issues, are taller, are better on fuel, don’t require regearing as much(though I would still re gear) and don’t suffer in the performance department at all. And there are folks that will dispute that. But I’ll meet them in the back country any day and hold my own with my “pizza cutters.” Honestly, if there is a “performance advantage” for 285’s over 255’s, I’m not a talented enough driver to EVER notice. And I drive for a living. 255’s are cheaper in more ways than just purchase price, and are just as good and better in many ways. Very much recommend.
I just upgraded to tall and skinny 33s. 255/80r17 tires. They have done well off road in all desert conditions so far. The speedometer thing is easy to fix.
I got 285's on my 2014 V6 tacoma. A white truck with blacked out emblems and a 6-inch lift looks much better with those tires, and they're better for off-roading. It's only a 1-1.5 MPG difference really.
I had 265s on my 3rd gen 4cyl and just switched to 285s with 5.29 gear ratio and I love it! I think it's the sweet spot for a 4cyl. I also have a Bilstein 2 inch lift and dirt king UCAs. Yes it needed a body mount chop.
265 and 285 are the widths. The reason the 285 is taller is because the sidewall is a ratio of section width. So with same sidewall, a wider section width will have a larger diameter. It's misleading to say "285 provide more ground clearance than 265" without mentioning the sidewall.
@@stephaniesutterlict1768 No those are widths in millimeters. The Diameter(31") is determined by the sidewall profile which is a ratio of the tire width.
Change gear ratio if they go larger than your gear ratio gets higher which can give you higher gas mileage on the highway but will possibly lose just a touch on trying to accelerate from a dead stop
@@StubProductions no it isn't, don't know why you need to add your two cents when it's wrong. You can have a 355 on a 45 which sports cars do. Maybe know what you are talking about first it helps. I can go further into this as I was in this industry 🧐
Gonna be honest, i did get a lift, but I run 32s …only because i didnt want to deal with any cutting, CMCs, regearing, spacers, UCAs and i use my truck to commute to work. I have the ko2s and I absolutely fucking love them.
Anyone have tips on how to raise my '19 TRD Pro without getting rid of the FOX suspension? I just can't find any good answers that would get an additional 2-3".
Car manufacturers always put under size tires on pick up trucks I agree with going to the next size up or maybe two sizes up to fill the wheel well it looks much better
Is this mostly for rock climb type offroading? Being a rally fan, I often here that thinner tires are better in cutting through sand, gravel, mud and what not.
Sidewall and rim size (the second and third numbers ie 285/85r16) effect height. Not width of the tire (first number). U could have a 285/35r16 that would be shorter than your 265s.
As much as I love my ko2s, i am seriously thinking about the baja boss ATs….i might get those for my next set…in the meantime I am enjoying my KO2s and they are fucking great.
@@rftrujillo8153 I liked my KO2s until they started to wear down and they do have better road manners. That being said those Mickeys are amazing in every adverse condition by a long shot. Maybe the KM3s would be a decent compromise, not sure. Or the duratracs.
@@RNicknackpaddywhack the only thing i dont like about the ko2s is that they ARE NOT rain/water friendly….i had like 2 seperate occasions where i lost contril making a turn. One minor and the 2nd time i thought i was going to go over the side walk. It doesnt rain hardly at all here in soCal, but i gotta watch my ass when it does. Thats the only reason why i was considering the baja boss…and ive been hearing great things.
my firstt gen taco haf 31x10.5x15. those are getting harder to find. my nrw tundra has 35x12.5x18 and im afraid of that next tire bill. either way those tacos both look great
285 is the width...the next number is a percentage of the width. So a 285/75 tire, mean the sidewalk is 75% of the width. "P" stands for passenger vehicle tire, and "R" stands for Radial.
Not even a tacoma owner here but a frontier and i have the same personal debate. 265s gives me 23mpg on the highway and i love it. 285s just look great, better traction and a extra 1.5’ ground clearance . But at the cost of more money per tire, 3-4 mpg loss is what I hear and $250 on a speedo adjustment
Currently I have 265/75/16 mt tires on my 98 Tacoma , It has a 3/2 lift, I was going to put 285s on it but these fell into my lap making a trade, they look good on it but they've been on there now almost 3 years, Soon it will be time for tires and I'm going with the 285s that being said I am also upgrading to 430 gears and an e-locker rear, I have not decided on the front yet was just saying the other day I wish they made an e-locker front that would be great, someone should come up with a setup
I have the 16 inch Trd pro wheeles on my 2019 SR5 with Kumho Road venture 265 70 R16 on mine. with a slight lift from upgraded bilstein 5100s on the front and rear. I was wondering whether or not I could get a bigger tire on there with a slight front lift only about an inch and a half from the new struts, but didn’t know whether or not that would be enough room to add a bigger tire.
I'm keeping the factory size tires might go from a 70 sidewall to a 75 which adds a little bit of size to your tire/truck but as inefficient as this motor is on this Tacoma I'm thinking stock tire size! I use my truck for pulling a smaller 5x10 enclosed trailer, i don't do much off-roading & if I do the Tacoma will keep up just fine cuz I'm just using it to go out shooting not to purposely go 4-wheel driving.
So i should just say screw off roading and carrying my kx450 to the track and not race because i dont want to pay higher fuel cost than i need to and just buy a Honda Fit? Well that sucks because i like off roading and racing but ill follow your wise logic
I have extra set of rims. I wanna put some old school swampers on and just swap for the weekend. I just use steel wheels. so not much money into it. got extra set for $100 .
At the moment on my 2013 taco I have 275/70/17 wildpeak at3w. Considering going 265s just because I have slight rub and want slightly better gas mileage
Sense we are talking about tires. I have a 03 Jeep Wrangler with LT 295-70R17 I spend 100% of the time on asphalt or concrete only. What tires would anyone recommend for a smoother ride (I’m 61)
Less Feeling the Landscape, with the Larger Tires. Guessing the 285's are Louder also? Seems like Larger Tires always make more Noise? Maybe that is 'just Mental'? Likely has to do more with Tread, than size?
Both size and tread type affect sound, although tread usually impacts it more. 265 vs 285 with the same tread will probably have a minimal noise difference if any at all
@@Rangefree Don't know.. I am a 'Car Guy', not a 'Truck Guy'...... Have Driven Trucks before and yea Tread usually has an Effect, 'Circumference' would not ever, in any way, really effect Noise, only pattern.. Like Small LPs vs Larger LPs, but that Weight, out on that Axel would make a negligible difference, though minimal.. It would effect Bearings, Tie Rods, and other aspects of that Drivetrain... Even basic Tires can make 'Lots of Noise', depending on the Ply and or the Rubber Type.
I don’t understand why some people generalize a whole tire size just by the tread width. You can get “265”s and “285”s in the same height. A 265 70 r16 is the same height as a 285 65 r16. List the full sizes, not just the tread width or the full height
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I admit I prefer the look of the 285s, but the 265s are probably better for my lifestyle since my Tacoma spends 95% of its life on asphalt or concrete and I should care more about fuel economy than off-road traction. Also, since I live in the midwest where we deal with a lot of snow, the larger contact patch of the 285s would actually work against me (although likely not in a meaningful way).
Why would they be bad in snow?
@@jcguevara4465 A wider tire can distribute the weight across a larger area. This works as an advantage often, but in snow covered roads it can sometimes result in worse performance as the tires tend to ride over the snow instead of through the snow. I've heard people call it the "pizza cutter effect" where a skinny tire will actually do better in deep snow because it cuts through it whereas a wide tire floats above it and won't have as much traction (since snow offers no traction whatsoever). That said, a wider tire might perform better on ice and in other conditions where distributing the weight across a larger area works to your advantage.
If you deal with a lot of snow you should go with the
255/ 85 /16 tall and skinny would be great for that application
@@bertbccfu9564I have 265 right now and love them, but will probably go to the 255/85 if they arnt too much of a price jump
@@jcguevara4465 if you look at Paris Dakar or bad weather rally tyres, those are very narrow. Wide tyre will float more over the loose surface while a narrow tyre will to dig in (mud, sand or snow) and get to the hard stuff, or will be less likely to suffer from aqua planning. Of course this is extreme racing but underlines the reasons. Wide tyres are better on dry surface and for stopping power. Altough a wide mud tyre will have significantly less contact surface than a narrower AT or Highway tyre.
If you look at those classic 4wd that have crossed Africa for decades (old landrover and landcruiser 70,s) those always had narrow tyres.
Wide tyres may look cool and trendy, that does not make it a superior tyres, just better in certain applications.
I like my 265 70 17 Falken Wildpeaks. I dont like rock crawling but do enjoy offroading on scenic trails, including sand and snow, and the 31 inch Wildpaks have been great for that. i'm getting a decent 16 to 17 city and 22 to 23 flat highway but more AC usage lowers that.
It all comes down to what's more important to you. I prefer the smaller tires. Better fuel mileage, less wind resistance,more proper speedometer calibration, and narrower tires cut through mud and s b ow more easily, along with less rolling resistance and better power usage.
285 is the width of the tire in millimeters, the second number is the tires profile, so 70 would be 70 percent of 285 mm.
Was just gonna post the same thing.
So ie I can have a 265 80 17 that is the same height as a 285 70 17
The 265/80r17 is actually about 1" taller than the 285/70r17
yeppers
You failed to mention the *aspect* ratio of each tire, for a proper comparison - An OEM 265/65R17 compared to a
'285'/_ _)R17 ?? I'll take a chance here and guess that you mean a 285 / *70* R17.
The section width of the '265' is 10.43" (That's not the *TREAD* width, folks) and the section width of the '285' is 11.22". The overall height is approximately 30.56" for the 265/65R17, while the overall height is approximately 32.70". That's a 2.14" difference in height, yet only barely over 1" more ground.
Among many other things - I mount, balance and repair tires at my current job and have been doing so (on/off) well over 30 years now. I've run many different size tires on my personal vehicles and have test-driven countless others. With that said - In my personal experience - a 70-series tires simply rides much smoother than an 65-series. Simple rule of thumb is that the more sidewall (height) you have - the less your vehicle will ride like a tank.
I think the reason manufactures switched most trucks, light trucks and especially SUV's to shorter / stiffer sidewalls is because most people never see off-road and the shorter / stiffer tires will handle better at speeds above 65mph on the freeways.
Now - if you love the look of huge rims with low-profile / aggressive tread (BLECH!) - You 'could opt for installing something silly like a 275/45R22 - which will have a height of around 31.74" (a littler over an inch taller than the OEM 265/65R17). But as I've just said - they'll ride really rough and just wreak havoc on your stock suspension.
Please note that the 285/70R17 will fit on newer Tacomas - But you may have to trim the front fender liners.
If it were me - personally - I would much rather enjoy the LOOK and the BETTER RIDE QUALITY of 285/70R17's, than the OEM 265/65R17's - and your speedometer will only be off, by less than 5mph.
Make sure when your buying ANY new set of tires, that all the DOT numbers are close to being manufactured within the same year - - As sometimes - a tire/service center or even distributor will have three tires manufactured within the same current year - and you might just get one that's a year or more older. The last FOUR digits of a tire's DOT (the longer number - on one side only) will tell you the week (first 2 digits) and the year (last 2 digits) in which that tire was manufactured.
Ask BEFOREHAND that they be sure to change out your TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System) *Valve Stems* with new ones. Most professional / reputable shops will do this at no added charge, as it should be included with the cost of the new tires.
Please hose-off / thoroughly clean your truck's wheels BEFORE having your new tires installed, as heavy deposits of dirt / mud / brake dust / grease on the INSIDE of the rims will affect the adhesion of the balancing tape weights - and most likely piss off the service tech assigned to your vehicle.
ASK BEFOREHAND that their service tech to either tighten ALL lug nuts BY HAND, or at the very least - gun them on LIGHTLY with their shop's impact gun and then torque them to factory specs. If the torque wrench doesn't slightly move the lug nut as they're applying force to it, then they're already gunned on too tight. This can cause you issues, should you have to remove them by hand to install your spare - and not having an even toque setting on all lug nut may even (over time) warp your brake disc rotors.
Keep your expensive new tires clean front AND back and don't use solvent-based tire dressings - The petroleum distillates in the formula actually leach essentials chemicals and oils out of your tires, which can/will lead to premature cracking / fading. Use only water-based tire dressings and please DON'T use any tire dressing at all, if you haven't first thoroughly scrubbed your tires with soap / water and rinsed well. Tire dressing on top of embedded dirt / brake dust only will eventually lead to your sidewalls becoming a slimy mess... (And yet another way to piss-off the technician who is assigned to rotating / balancing your new tires.
When you bring your tires in for rotation - Ask that they not only rotate, but re-balance ALL FOUR tires. Most places simply will balance the ones getting rotated to the FRONT, so the ones going to the rear might go over 10,000 miles without getting re-balanced - and by that time, due to excessive wear and neglect and failure to maintain recommended air pressures - your expensive set of tires are now irregularly worn pieces of junk.
That's the tip of the iceberg on 'my' advice. ;)
I ain't reading that book 😅
@@RedWolfDrift2000 Well, you missed some good advice from a guy who knows what he's talking about. Well worth the read, and I'm glad I did!
@@stevezodiac575 I finally got through it
@John Rabaste' Hey John well done! I do hope you're glad you did, otherwise I'll feel bad for encouraging you. And confession. I usually give up on long comments, but I was glad I kept going on this one. Cheers Steve
Glad to see someone that knows what they're talking about
265 70 17 is all I need on my Tacoma. It never leaves the garage.
If u own a toyota truck, drive it they last
265s Wildpeak AT3W on my 3rd gen 4runner V6 manual. Love the feel, love the look. I do mostly scenic trails and camping so I don’t need a 285 clearance for my needs.👍
I just crested 50k with my trd 4x4. Because I am not a rock crawler but I do travel a lot on rough/dirt roads and I travel long distances I went a different route. I swapped out the stock Goodyear Wrangler 265/70/16 to lighter weight all-terrain to Cooper Discoverer 245/75/16. The benefit of this is mpg for example I just got gas in Seattle after traveling from Bend Oregon and my ending mpg was 23.7. My average around town and even towing my lightweight low profile trailer for work is between 18.5 -20 mpg. My best mpg so far is 25.9 hwy. Basically having skinnier tires = less rolling resistance and being lighter all helps with mpg. With my stock tires I could not drive above 62mph without the mpg taking a dive and now I can at least go the 70mph speed limit. My next tires will be Nokian all-terrain because they are 32pds each so I should see even more mpg improvement.
The first number is the width of the tire, not the height. The second number is the sidewall in percent ratio of the width. All three numbers are necessary for determining these differences.
Agreed the first number only tells you how wide they are. She doesn’t even mention the sidewall ratio, or the rim size. Therefore she has compared nothing but the width.
So when it comes too say 31x10.50x15 first # is the width? I dont think ur 100% right on that comment
@@wv-dixie6374 no 31x10.50 is an imperial measurement of tires using inches. The measurements she is mentioning are a metric method of measuring tires. 285 refers to the width of the tire in millimeters even though 285/75r18 still refers to inches in rim diameter.
@@TheCAPTAINman128 wow 👏 mr precise & i never said he was wrong with what 285 being the width was just saying not all tires r measured that way..
I went straight for the comments looking to make sure someone corrected her. She should take this video down and redo it explaining the second number for the side wall ratio and the third for wheel diameter. Hoping viewers dont share and regurgitate this incomplete information.
The performance loss is mostly because you lose torque due to a larger circumference, not from the weight. A majority of the performance will be restored once you regear the differentials.
What's funny everyone on Oahu Hawaii who has a Tacoma built for off roading Never leave the pavement. There's no where to go lol 😆 🙃 😂 🤣 😅 😒 😆
Same for Wranglers in Australia, they'll even have all the recovery gear locked on to the outside.
They’ll make it off-road, once they age. No one wants to beat up a nice vehicle, that’s what older vehicles are for.
@@freebehindbars8654
Preach!
Do you also get mad at all the “built race cars” for not racing?
@@gsaexperience8578 I'm not mad I just think it's funny
Love my KO2s bought them in September of 2019 for my 2018 Taco OR. I’ve been in the PNW playing with them and they are still on my truck after all that time and multiple trips from WA to FL. Great tire if you keep them rotated. I’m rolling on 285s going to go to a 295
I stay with the stock size on my 2020 Off Road. I’m on the highway everyday and gas mileage is critical. I hardly go off road, so putting on bigger tires and rims wouldn’t make sense for me. If I head down the road at 60 mph, I can get 24-26 mpg.
What's your average? Mines 17 😬😬
Auto or manual?
@@RoryEckel 2019 3rd gen v6 auto I average around 19/21 highway driving at roughly 70-75mph. if I am aggressive city driving it is like 13mpg lol so I try to baby it now with the lovely gas prices!
@@te_squared auto
@@RoryEckel 19, but I drive slower on the highway
Put 35s on it. Call it a day 🤣
I’ve got a 2011 tacoma on mickey Thompson 33x11.50s love the setup
I run factory TRD OR 16" wheels with Kenda Klever AT2's: 265/75/16's (32's) and Falcon 2 inch lift front n back...looks pretty good too! POU for this rig is 1st: daily commuter 2nd: weekend overlander.... I thought about 33's long and hard for a year after I bought the truck...but now with gas prices where they're at?? Dang son...I almost regret the set up I have now!....almost. I average about 15-18mpg out here in San Bernardino with my setup...I used to do 18- 20 mpg when I had the truck stock...
Recently upgraded from 265s to 285s and I’m happy with the change. They look better and perform better off-road.
I drive a invincible with 315 KO2 tyres . Rolls well , good to the gallon .
This seems true in theory, but I would love to see a side by side test going over the same obstacles. Would also love to see the difference in breaking performance on pavement.
255/80r17 is very underrated. Best off road, best for gas, best for speed, not bad on looks and it runs quieter. Yes it is slightly narrow, but it is very tall and looks more full out on the wheel arch.... Best of all, the 255/80r17 gives you a free 0.5 inch lift. So my 3 inch lift is now a 3.5 inch lift and I can tell it got taller too.
32s with small cut on inside is just fine. My 2021 tacoma trd off road stock height with 32s bfg ko2 just fine I haven’t had issues. I’d get off-road bumpers before deciding to go bigger tires.
I'm at 45k miles on my 2018 and I want to move up to 285's...need some lift for no rubbing..feel this time around I might end up staying with my 265 Falkens A/T's which have really served me well.
The 285s are the best all around even though I run toyo M-55s on my truck it never gets stuck anywhere and the BFG’s are perfect for a light duty truck but they don’t work very well with a heavy duty truck
It also affects the overall gearing. Your car won’t roll as a slowly when crawling over obstacles in high or low range. Tyres that are too big can really play havoc with cars that have a manual transmission when you’re trying to crawl in gear and stay off the clutch.
It also puts a lot more stress on the clutch moving off from a standing start. But so long as it looks tough, no one seems to worry.
If you got the V6 taco you got the wrong one, manual 4 banger is the way to go. Can't stress out the clutch
For me id use the 265 unless i was offroad 90% of the time. What size do you like better?
08 factory TRD hight with 285 ko2s and makes a bigger difference than I expected out of an inch larger tire
I miss my crown vic-I had 265s in rear and 215s in front. Cherry red with chrome rims around and straight pipes. I looked like a kingpin crack dealer haha!
Check out the nitro ridge grapplers. They’re so much quieter than ko2’s they have great traction in tue rain and snow as well
I love when people refer to tire height using the three digit width number. The 265 and 285 on these tires is the width in mm’s the second 2 digit number on the tire size is the aspect ratio, which is the height of the sidewall as a percentage of the width. 60%, 70%, 75%. The secret number for full tire formula to inches is .0394! Like this…
285x.0394=11.229 (inches wide) 11.229x.70=7.86 (inches of sidewall beyond rim) 7.86x2=15.72 (inches of side wall above and below rim…or side and side) 15.72”+17”=32.72” (overall height of tire and wheel). So a 285/70r17 is 32.72” tall and 11.23” wide at footprint with 7.86” sidewalls. Remember that number .0394! It’s the constant in the conversion formula.
285 and 265 are the just the widths of the tire, and do not make your speed off. The overall tire diameter can cause the error in your speedo if different than stock; this is determined by the diameter of the wheel/rim and the height of the tire which is the width of the tread multiplied by the aspect ratio of the tire x 2.
I run 265ko2on my 86hilux and I think it's a match made in heaven 😁
255/80/17’s are the best size I’ve used on any of my Toyotas to date
I’m considering this on my 4R. How do you like them? What do you like more than 265-285s if you’ve had any of those too?
@eneveasi I’ve had pretty well any size you can think of from stock to 40’s over the years. But for a daily driver that you take off-road, 255/80/17’s are lighter, don’t have the rubbing issues, are taller, are better on fuel, don’t require regearing as much(though I would still re gear) and don’t suffer in the performance department at all. And there are folks that will dispute that. But I’ll meet them in the back country any day and hold my own with my “pizza cutters.” Honestly, if there is a “performance advantage” for 285’s over 255’s, I’m not a talented enough driver to EVER notice. And I drive for a living. 255’s are cheaper in more ways than just purchase price, and are just as good and better in many ways. Very much recommend.
@mattbrown9275 have you used them on snow?
I have 315 KO2’s on a Jeep Wrangler. Best/Longest lasting AT tires I’ve used. They are light compared to competitors and almost no road noise.
That's what I run on my '14 Wrangler 2DR...
Great explanation 👌
I just upgraded to tall and skinny 33s. 255/80r17 tires. They have done well off road in all desert conditions so far. The speedometer thing is easy to fix.
Great video
Stock tire size is the best all around size!
Great vid
Aspect ratio. My 235/85r16s are about 32" my 295/50r15 are only 26". I prefer my tacos to drag frame
I got 285's on my 2014 V6 tacoma. A white truck with blacked out emblems and a 6-inch lift looks much better with those tires, and they're better for off-roading. It's only a 1-1.5 MPG difference really.
I had 265s on my 3rd gen 4cyl and just switched to 285s with 5.29 gear ratio and I love it! I think it's the sweet spot for a 4cyl. I also have a Bilstein 2 inch lift and dirt king UCAs. Yes it needed a body mount chop.
Dude that thing must be a dog.
What did that setup cost you in MPG?
I love my 48s!
275/70 17 is the best size. Not too big not to small.
This is the same size I run on Falken Wildpeaks, love these tires.
265/70/17 on my Tacoma TRD
I gotta say 285s wins.
265 and 285 are the widths. The reason the 285 is taller is because the sidewall is a ratio of section width. So with same sidewall, a wider section width will have a larger diameter. It's misleading to say "285 provide more ground clearance than 265" without mentioning the sidewall.
She is talking to the people that know .31 inch 265 or 33 inch 285
@@stephaniesutterlict1768 No those are widths in millimeters. The Diameter(31") is determined by the sidewall profile which is a ratio of the tire width.
@@stephaniesutterlict1768 I have 265 tires on my 370z and I can guarentee you they are NOT 31s.
Change gear ratio if they go larger than your gear ratio gets higher which can give you higher gas mileage on the highway but will possibly lose just a touch on trying to accelerate from a dead stop
285/ 70 17
285 and 265 have nothing to do with height. The side wall is, which would be some where between 55 and 75 since it's off road.
The side wall height is a ratio of the width… so yes width of tire affects the overall height (diameter) of the tire.
@@StubProductions no it isn't, don't know why you need to add your two cents when it's wrong. You can have a 355 on a 45 which sports cars do. Maybe know what you are talking about first it helps. I can go further into this as I was in this industry 🧐
Any lift? Or Stock suspension?
Gonna be honest, i did get a lift, but I run 32s …only because i didnt want to deal with any cutting, CMCs, regearing, spacers, UCAs and i use my truck to commute to work. I have the ko2s and I absolutely fucking love them.
Anyone have tips on how to raise my '19 TRD Pro without getting rid of the FOX suspension? I just can't find any good answers that would get an additional 2-3".
You have to put air in in the morning and let air out on the way home even with 265/75/16 BFG AT tires.
Car manufacturers always put under size tires on pick up trucks I agree with going to the next size up or maybe two sizes up to fill the wheel well it looks much better
So how does a slightly wider tire help with ground clearance???
Can I fit 33” Nitto Ridgrapplers on a stock 2019 TRD Pro or will 33” tires fit without rubbing?
i have 315/70/17 on my 18 AC taco 2.7
I run 33x10.50r15.
Is this mostly for rock climb type offroading? Being a rally fan, I often here that thinner tires are better in cutting through sand, gravel, mud and what not.
Yes, a larger and wider tire means that there's more rubber to grip onto rocks and whatnot when conducting obstacle clearance.
Are they both a 65 sidewall?
I’ll keep the stock size tire on my TRD Off Road.
We enjoy going on Logging Roads, the WA BDR or private roads
Sidewall and rim size (the second and third numbers ie 285/85r16) effect height. Not width of the tire (first number). U could have a 285/35r16 that would be shorter than your 265s.
How well did they balance out? And do the vibrate excessively at highway speeds?
May I recommend ditching the KO2’s and got for the Mickey Thompson Baja boss AT’s, especially in snow (not the ATZP3).
As much as I love my ko2s, i am seriously thinking about the baja boss ATs….i might get those for my next set…in the meantime I am enjoying my KO2s and they are fucking great.
@@rftrujillo8153 I liked my KO2s until they started to wear down and they do have better road manners. That being said those Mickeys are amazing in every adverse condition by a long shot. Maybe the KM3s would be a decent compromise, not sure. Or the duratracs.
@@RNicknackpaddywhack the only thing i dont like about the ko2s is that they ARE NOT rain/water friendly….i had like 2 seperate occasions where i lost contril making a turn. One minor and the 2nd time i thought i was going to go over the side walk. It doesnt rain hardly at all here in soCal, but i gotta watch my ass when it does. Thats the only reason why i was considering the baja boss…and ive been hearing great things.
Here I am running 315's
I suggest you get a microphone to reduce the echo for filming
I love my 285s but hate that big name tire chains won't work on them for being over 30mm wider than stock
What’s the lift size on these two tacomas if you don’t mind me asking
you looking at a solid 40 inch lift sir.
my firstt gen taco haf 31x10.5x15. those are getting harder to find. my nrw tundra has 35x12.5x18 and im afraid of that next tire bill. either way those tacos both look great
285 is the width...the next number is a percentage of the width. So a 285/75 tire, mean the sidewalk is 75% of the width. "P" stands for passenger vehicle tire, and "R" stands for Radial.
Unless you have a 4 cylinder.... 285 all the way
Not even a tacoma owner here but a frontier and i have the same personal debate. 265s gives me 23mpg on the highway and i love it. 285s just look great, better traction and a extra 1.5’ ground clearance . But at the cost of more money per tire, 3-4 mpg loss is what I hear and $250 on a speedo adjustment
Can you calibrate the speedometer after putting new tires?
My unpopular 3rd gen opinion. 285s look ridiculous especially on tacos, 255's are the way.
Just get a set of wheels and tires to match the activity you're doing at the same, keep the other set(s) in storage.
I'm a 265 General Grabber AT guy. I like KO2s too, but wanted something a little more unique because everyone in my area (Utah) seem to rock KO2s.
I love them because it lasted me 55k miles. Sometimes everyone having it is a good thing since it's a pretty good quality tire ☺️
Everyone runs them cuz they are great tires.
Im lifting my truck 2 or 3 inches higher, Will the 285s rub?
Leveling kit 3” front 2” rear it won’t rub.
Good video 🤙👌🤙👌
285
DOES THE 285 FITS STOCK 2018 TACOMA 4X4 OFFROAD?
255 80 17s for the win!...where my skinny skins at??
Pizza cutters
255/85/16 here
235/85 🚂
On a 16inch steelie 👌🏼
What’s your mpgs?
Currently I have 265/75/16 mt tires on my 98 Tacoma , It has a 3/2 lift, I was going to put 285s on it but these fell into my lap making a trade, they look good on it but they've been on there now almost 3 years, Soon it will be time for tires and I'm going with the 285s that being said I am also upgrading to 430 gears and an e-locker rear, I have not decided on the front yet was just saying the other day I wish they made an e-locker front that would be great, someone should come up with a setup
I have the 16 inch Trd pro wheeles on my 2019 SR5 with Kumho Road venture 265 70 R16 on mine. with a slight lift from upgraded bilstein 5100s on the front and rear. I was wondering whether or not I could get a bigger tire on there with a slight front lift only about an inch and a half from the new struts, but didn’t know whether or not that would be enough room to add a bigger tire.
285 is the max for oem after then looking for customize never ends
I'm keeping the factory size tires might go from a 70 sidewall to a 75 which adds a little bit of size to your tire/truck but as inefficient as this motor is on this Tacoma I'm thinking stock tire size! I use my truck for pulling a smaller 5x10 enclosed trailer, i don't do much off-roading & if I do the Tacoma will keep up just fine cuz I'm just using it to go out shooting not to purposely go 4-wheel driving.
I don’t know who needs to hear this but if you’re worried about fuel economy don’t buy a truck and put big tires on it
So i should just say screw off roading and carrying my kx450 to the track and not race because i dont want to pay higher fuel cost than i need to and just buy a Honda Fit? Well that sucks because i like off roading and racing but ill follow your wise logic
Holes become smaller 💀💀💀
I have extra set of rims. I wanna put some old school swampers on and just swap for the weekend. I just use steel wheels. so not much money into it. got extra set for $100 .
I’m tryna put 305s on mine to see if it would fit with stock rims
I think this woman works for Toyota.
I run 285 on my stock ride height Toyota and don't have any clearance issues on 18s
At the moment on my 2013 taco I have 275/70/17 wildpeak at3w. Considering going 265s just because I have slight rub and want slightly better gas mileage
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Gives up a bit to get .5 inches clearance. For me it’s a hard decision. How much has your breakover angle increased?
Sense we are talking about tires. I have a 03 Jeep Wrangler with
LT 295-70R17 I spend 100% of the time on asphalt or concrete only.
What tires would anyone recommend for a smoother ride (I’m 61)
Less Feeling the Landscape, with the Larger Tires.
Guessing the 285's are Louder also? Seems like Larger Tires always make more Noise?
Maybe that is 'just Mental'? Likely has to do more with Tread, than size?
Both size and tread type affect sound, although tread usually impacts it more. 265 vs 285 with the same tread will probably have a minimal noise difference if any at all
@@Rangefree
Don't know.. I am a 'Car Guy', not a 'Truck Guy'...... Have Driven Trucks before and yea Tread usually has an Effect, 'Circumference' would not ever, in any way, really effect Noise, only pattern.. Like Small LPs vs Larger LPs, but that Weight, out on that Axel would make a negligible difference, though minimal.. It would effect Bearings, Tie Rods, and other aspects of that Drivetrain...
Even basic Tires can make 'Lots of Noise', depending on the Ply and or the Rubber Type.
I don’t understand why some people generalize a whole tire size just by the tread width. You can get “265”s and “285”s in the same height. A 265 70 r16 is the same height as a 285 65 r16. List the full sizes, not just the tread width or the full height
What lifts is on these 2 trucks