OP Idun Healer Build - Full Fusion Guide | Shin Megami Tensei V
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This is a full fusion and build guide for Idun. It's the same build I used for my full playthrough of Shin Megami Tensei V for the Nintendo Switch! I even used it against SMT V's super boss!
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Tags, yo: SMT 5, SMT V, Top Tips, Tips, Idun, Shin Megami Tensei, Build, Fusion
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For people who want higher stats on Idunn, after getting the miracle that grants stat bonuses to newly fused demons you can fuse her with Aeros to get Parvati while still keeping most of the skills Idunn had. Then you can re-fuse Idunn once the stat bonuses are to your liking.
in other words, at first just fuse her to help you and worry about making her strong later
@@SantosOverlord that's basically it. Honestly, it's pretty lucky that she can directly fuse into one of her own components.
And then i have to leveling up a bit Parvati to maximizing stats of the second Idun? I'm new to this game and i don't understand this part
@@GaBl2y If you want optimal maxed stats (before applying incenses), you need your MC to be lv95~99, learn the fusion and prayer miracles, then level up each component demon 20 times from their base level before fusing to the final demon (Idun for example) If you already have an Idun from progressing the game, she can re-fuse herself for free EXP towards those 20 levels onto Pavarti and keep some of the skills.
For 20 levels, each demon is getting +8 stats and most of that will transfer over to the final Idun, per demon used to fuse. If you transfer all 60 bonus-stat levels, Idun's total stat amount will be as high as end-game demons. This goes for every other demon in the game, basically, best done with those with good Unique skills like Yoshimitsu or Fionn
@@GrandChaseHotStuven thanks a lot now i understood! So i can imagine that after the 20 levels gained the stats increase no more. Thanks again!
Idun is so amazing, awesome vid!
I got rid of Bowl of hygieia cause with both heal pleromas Golden apple heals like 90-97 percent of your health and I'm gonna be spamming it for demi fiend and shiva anyways so I don't have to waste a turn or a slot.
The Heal Pleromas are actually borderline worthless because unlike damaging abilities, healing has a very easy to reach hard cap, that being the HP of those being healed. With decent stats, Golden Apple can fully heal without any Pleroma. Getting rid of Bowl for Shiva and Demi-fiend is a good option; I did the same for those fights, but in all other situations I would keep it as it allows you to temporarily increase your party's max HP by 30%. I would recommend literally any other ability over the healing Pleromas.
Thanks man, i will try this out immediately.
I think I'm gonna do a slight modification to end game Idun build and it's replacing Great Mana Spring with Almighty Pleroma to power up Spirit/Energy Drain, similar to the Cleopatra build. At that stage of the game, I think Idun has enough natural MP that Great Mana Spring isn't necessary anymore, especially with Boon Boost EX giving her an extra turn to get MP back, and I'd rather that she be able to do some damage like Cleo. If that doesn't work, I can just use an Essence to teach her Spirit Drain again.
Smart. The only thing is that I worry about her ability to survive some of the harder bosses so I'd want to get those stats up before then but for the main story content, that's perfect all the way to the end.
I used her for both the non-DLC super boss and DLC super boss without needing to refuse her. On the non -DLC super boss specifically, my entire party was 10 levels lower than the boss; Idun combined with the incredibly broken Kannabi Veil was more than enough to survive.
@@RozalinGaming Hey, thanks for the reply. If you say it's good enough for those super boss fights as well then I'll take your word for it. That's great news
Energy drain, boon boost ex and a phys blocking skill are the cherry on top to make her better
Please pay attention to the video. Of course those abilities are upgrades, but the build isn't an end-game build.
didnt know you can save scum essences. saves me a lot of time thx
I like this series makes me want me more creative in other games like redux
Yeah but Strange Journey's skill inheritance is weird
when it works it works cool
This build is godlike, beat Surt first try with it, thank you!
Im about 20 hours from this being useful knowledge for me but good video
I haven't touched any of those statutes yet, I was saving them for end game, does that sound right? Or wasting?
They are definitely more beneficial later on since they just straight up level your demons.
Aww she’s cute
Is the bowl really needed tho? I have Idunn with 110 magic and she can heal more even without the bowl buff (save my MP costs and replaced it with Bufurion for a specific fight whenever she's not healing/buffing). I drop the bowl for null elec/fire, everything else is pretty much the same.
Bowl is there not to make sure she can fully heal, but specifically to overheal and give you what amounts to a "shield", allowing you more time to cast other actions. In my case, restoring her SP. I tried her without Bowl and found that I vastly prefer having it over not having it in almost every situation.
@@RozalinGaming Yeah, you can still overheal without the bowl effect, just make sure you have grimoires to dump on her and have her magic to max stats (or above 100). What do you mean by "amounts to a shield"? I didn't quite understand. My intention is not to shit on your build, just curious about some of the new mechanics and skills.
@@shinyanakagawa8241 Bowl lets you over heal by 30% of the character's max HP; basically it lets you temporarily increase the HP of those healed by 30%. It's that extra 30% HP, or shield-like effect, that makes Bowl so powerful. I removed Bowl for the Shiva fight specifically, but kept it for everything else including Demi-fiend.
@@RozalinGaming So what you mean by that is, the overheal property literally broke the max hp barrier of your party? If that's so, then that is OP as hell. Thanks for telling me that. I sometimes got confused by the info details, they can get so vague to me at times.
@@shinyanakagawa8241 Yeah. Bowl has 2 effects, the first being increasing healing done by the next heal used (not very useful), and the second allowing it to heal above the healed character's max HP by up to 30% (very useful). Also, since Bowl functions similarly to things like Charge and Concentrate, you don't have to use it the turn before you heal. You can cast it, and then consume it 3 turns later if you want.
How did you get all 8 skill slots available? I've completed the game, gone in to NG+ and can't seem to use all 8.
@Kris Wiharta You sent this two months ago... I have beaten this game in both ng+ versions and have sold the game since then and *NOW* I get your notification. 🤣
@@AManWithAGODComplex Nobody cares. Sometimes people reply for OTHER people who are reading the comments to get the answer. So, get over yourself, essentially.
Why dont you give her regular mana spring for her last skill?
It doesn't provide enough MP to be worth a skill slot when there are better skills you can eventually add there.
I'll just wait until I have 8 full move slots before trying this, so annoying how slow as hell the game unlocks them all
The final skill slot doesn't unlock until near the end of the game so your better off making her early, then fusing her with Erthys, Aeros, or Flaemis later to make a Parvati and then making her again; doing it this way will also net you higher stats when you re-fuse her assuming you've purchased the Miracles necessary to do so.
Thanks for this, Idun has been indispensable to me but this build gave me some direction and showed me the pieces my build was missing, thanks a bunch for making this!
First day in this game. My smooth brain hurts.
Why Boon Boost? the build you have doesn't have any skills that work with it right?
Golden Apple also casts Luster Candy and Luster Candy buffs are extended by Boon Boost.
@@RozalinGaming AH! thanks. I thought I was missing something
i love thse OP builds. i really need more videos like this for when i do a hard mode run
whats up Rean, i just got cold steel 3 on sale with all dlc lol but anyway yea im doing a hard mode run right now. Idun is basically the new daisoujou from nocturne. He was OP in that game
@@enigmatic247 No way Idunn is that OP
@@Fermin-hw5pd lol yea maybe i exaggerated a lil but i got her at level 42 and she lasted me till i was like lv 70 before i had to refuse her with better stats. She definitely made bosses way easier
@@enigmatic247 But why keeping her so much? It's better to fuse demons away for others with better stats
@@Fermin-hw5pd i really like her design and golden apple which is a heal/luster candy. Thats why i really like this game, you can customize and make a lot of your demons OP
Amazing vid! Are you gonna show off more build tutorials? These are incredibly useful. At the very least, a pdf with what you made and the steps wouls be incredible!
I would love to see that full fusion build for these demons, if only because seeing how to navigate that without essences gives us a greater understanding of fusion as a whole.
These guides are amazing, and I'd love to see as many of them as you want to make! Thank you!
Why is no one making content on this game? it’s so hard to find stuff like this
I'm just concerned about Idun's low vitality. It won't take much to kill her if against a strong enemy. :(
These are my favorite videos on all of UA-cam. Please do more OP SMT V builds! Thanks Roz!
The Goat back making fusion routes
Thank you for this I'm just now playing and seeing her in story I got her essence super quick randomly saw the golden apples and knew it was op I have all the pieces built I just need more slots and she will be finished instantly I'm 43 so I'm gonna wait a bit
hey smt V looks sick but I stil haven't finished Persona 3, smt IV, III and still don't have a switch
I have a magic build on my Nahobino, I wanted to know if Kannabi Veil is still worth it?
Yes. Kannabi Veil is extremely good. It's a ~30% damage reduction that can't be removed by enemies and stats with all other forms of damage reduction; it's also incredibly cheap!
can u do a yashitsune build for this game too?
Where do I get spirit drain? When I'm about to die feng huang and Lilim I don't have spirit drain to give to muu shuwu
At 4:08 I mention that you need a level 36 Lilim for Spirit Drain.
I just want to confirm that Boon Boost works with skills other than ones that end with raja and kaja
Later you can change boon boost with boon boost ex, change spirit drain with deblitiate/enduring soul, and for the free slot you can add abyssal mask/enduring soul. Also don't forget to increase the healing and support affinities
Boon Boost to Boon Boost EX is good, I don't like dropping Spirit Drain. Spirit Drain is a core component of the build (I even tested with Energy Drain and it's less MP over time). The changes I made for Shiva and Demi-fiend were to drop Diamrita for Null Phys and add in Enduring Soul in the last slot.
just started playing shin megami tensei Veangeance and i am playing the original story saw this vid and i set up my parvati for Idun when im level 42...and oh boy parvati has been saving my booty so far
Love these build videos! Keep it up bro! Can’t wait for more like these
Of course why didn't I think of spirit drain
You can also pair it with High Restore which causes it to get you roughly 70 MP back on critical magatsuhi turns.
Quick question, when I go to use the Hua Po essence Mu Shuwu essence to get boon boost its greyed out, any idea why this is? Related to my level/miracles?
Please make a video on Nahobino build
Does this work in vengeance
The build yes, the exact fusion recipe probably not due to newly added demons; but you can always just use essence fusion.
She has been completely replaced and erased by Konohana Sakuya .
Nawa next
Knowledge is power
YESSS, please more build videos!!
Quick question: do the statues that level up your demons refresh after a time or are they one-time use?
One time use. Though they do refresh on NG+.
I ran the same build, it's cool seeing someone else do something similar
I basically gave her Bowl of Hygieia and Media, and did just fine, Golden Apple is really good, but it consumes half of her MP, it's useless on a mid game demon
Golden Apple is far from useless mid-game and with this setup makes Media a completely wasted skill slot. I never once ran out of MP and only had to use items to restore her MP once, and that was during Shiva.
@@RozalinGaming Well, Mana Drain makes Golden Apple usable xd
@@RozalinGaming Now that I think about it, this would be Nocturne Daisoujou over again, I might try this build xd
What do you mean super boss XD. That ain't gona fly with demi fiend hard.
I used this Idun to beat both Shiva and Demi-fiend on hard with the only addition being Enduring Soul. So yes, it actually will fly against Demi-fiend. The Demi-fiend itself is actually incredibly easy (even more so if you cheese him) since his entire AI is static; the only random element is what his summoned demons do.
Is this still the optimal rute in SMTV Vengeance?
Doubt it
Where i can get kurama tengu
so i need to re-fuse her at level 45 to get great mana spring? fuck i already used a lot of incense on her
I explain in the video how to get Great Mana Spring before 45. Alternatively, you could also just use essence fusion to give it to her.
@@RozalinGaming i went ahead and just grinded to 45, only took about 20 minutes since i was already level 44. thanks though!
I kept Idun from the moment she joined the party to the end. She was one of my best healers and buffer(?). She also has the best idle animation
I’ll do this for new game plus
fuuuu I feel dumb now that I didnt leveled her up, im currently lvl 75 and she stayed level 62 ... I have set my nahobino as an healer/magic user so I didnt need her anymore ;; any good way to farm grimoires?
You can farm lots of grimoires once you finished Taito. Go to Odaiba and use Aitvaras to find some mitamas in Odaiba and Taito at random item spots. Also, the mitamas do respawn after a few hours. There are visible red mitama near the pond where you fight Anahita and under the broken flyover in Odaiba.
@@shinyanakagawa8241 oooh awesome, thank you so much !
Ara Mitamas respawn quite easily, and they appear very easily too
You could update this one now that the we got a new powerful support in the dlc of vengence realy exited to build her
Idun herself doesn't really change outside of it being a bit easier to make this build now. If you have the DLC though, Konohana Sakuya is just a strict upgrade to her and can be built the exact same way.
@@RozalinGaming awesome got both dlc i bet i can mish másh a lot of skills in this game this is my second smt game smt 4 apocalipse i didnt tinker much with this fusión mecánic it felt ovewhelming back then to me lol
She is not on my special summon lists. Is there any mission i need to do before summoning her?
You must complete a quest first. It's in the fairy village -- after you do the main story quest that interacts with her, return to where she was and a Jack Frost will be there with a new quest. Complete that new quest and you'll be able to fuse her.
@@RozalinGaming thank you
why is there no nuwa build? I thought she would be OP aswell
Nuwa is okay. Nuwa A has Sacrifice of Clay but that's about it. The real reason I didn't make a build for her is that she is NG+ only.
@@RozalinGaming Ah man, I have no idea how to build her and your guide were so helpful sofar
@@RozalinGaming Can you atleast give me some tips how to build her? talking about her human version btw
Where can I find lilim and feng huang?
Easiest way is to fuse them.
@@RozalinGaming thanks, I’m just trying to get more demon slots now to make this build work.
Instead of Mahamaon or Zanma in the last open slot I'll need to put Life Aid?
I just want to make sure.
Last slot is open to whatever you want (don't reference the actual Idun I fused, reference the initial Idun I show). Once you do get the 8th slot, I'd recommend Resist/Null Phys though, especially if you plan to use her against the game's super boss.
@@RozalinGaming Thanks
@@RozalinGaming Do you have any tips/builds for the Nahobino?
@@Exeonnecroz I may do a build or two for MC, but the biggest tip I can give is that Kannabi Veil, from one of the Aogami Essences, is busted good.
Ame no uzume....how to make?
Lots of ways. Best way is to do Reverse Compendium Fusion and search for her. That will tell you all the ways you can currently fuse her.
@@RozalinGaming thanks!!!
More builds please!
I mean you should also get resist or null physical because its just beneficial to have it
This video showcases how to make Idun at the earliest opportunity, which is 22 levels earlier than when Resist Phys becomes available. Obviously it can be added later if you want.
@@RozalinGaming How did you get all 8 skill slots available? I've completed the game, gone in to NG+ and can't seem to use all 8.
@@AManWithAGODComplex It's a miracle from completing one of the abscesses in the 4th zone.
@@RozalinGaming Ahh, okay. Thanks! 👍🏾
Idun is so amazing, awesome vid!
You could use spirit drain gems and replace the spirit drain spell with something else maybe with heal pleroma for increase healing magic.
Heal Pleroma and High Heal Pleroma are worthless since stats out pace them due to their increases being 20% and 40% respectively; I chose to not use gems because I would rather not run into a situation in which I run out in a tough battle, especially since I run similar Spirit Drain/Energy Drain setups on multiple demons due to how insanely powerful it is. Avoiding relying on items also prevents possible back tracking if you run out, etc.
Rozalin can you explain why heal pleroma is useless? Currently on my first playthrough (hard) and I’m torn between replacing it with mana spring or keeping it.
Currently have:
Golden apple
Mahabarion
Diamrita
Boon boost
Resist elec
Bowl
Heal pleroma
(I just got Demon proficiency III, so I’m limited to 7 slots)
Any other tips for this first time build would be greatly appreciated.
@@joeirl Heal Pleroma is useless because unlike with damage, healing has a very easy to reach hard cap; namely, the healed character's max HP. Even with the additional 30% overhealing that Bowl allows for, this is easily reached normally with stat improvements.
Rozalin that makes complete sense. I didn’t realize Bowl had a 30% overhealing cap, so I thought heal pleroma and Bowl would get me insane amounts of HP during boss fights. I’ll replace with mana spring, and hopefully I have a spirit drain essence I can throw on her to replace mahabarion. Thanks man!
@@RozalinGaming Regarding the healing amount: Do healing spells scale with your magic stat (like damage spells)? Or something else?
I would love to see other videos explaining how to master skill inheritance. I’m running into an issue where I fuse a new demon all the skills they inherit are just useless. Example: a healing/buff demon that inherits only physical and curse skills. Or something to that effect. This keeps me from fusing my demons because I feel like it’s a waste. I eventually run out of stock and am forced to fuse random demons that are useless and end up sitting in my stock and will never see battle or be used in anyway.
Also - I never use essences, but I really really want to. I have some really good ones for physical nahobino build. Example: Surt. But I’m afraid of using these powerful essences or any essence for that matter, because once I use them I’ll never get them again, or have a very slim chance of getting them again.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Btw I’m around lvl 60 and just entering into the final area (90%sure)
Anyways, great video & Thanks in advance for any help.
Uh, I guess I'm confused since in SMT V you choose what gets passed down so it's easy to weed out skills you don't want.
As for getting essences, it's really easy. Every time a demon levels up they have a chance to give you their essence. Simply get a demon close to level, save your game, do a fight so they level up, and if they don't give you their essence, reset and try again.
Are you checking your demons before fusing? There's no reason to fuse if you realize all you see are phys skills but the demon has 13 strength or putting Mudoon on a demon that is -4 dark. Better to keep your demons for an extra level until something more fitting can be fused.
@@gilded_lady Of course I check what my skills the demons I'm fusing have. Who wouldn't? Though more often than not, I know exactly what skills the demons I'm using in fusion have so I know what can be passed along.
Again though, I honestly have no idea what your issue is. There is no skill inheritance in SMT V the same way it's been in previous entries; unless a skill is unique, any demon can learn any skill.
As for there being no reason to fuse skills onto demons with low stats or low affinity, there can absolutely be a reason to do so. The primary reason being to pass skills on to further demons. Not every demon has to be useful for your party. It's perfectly acceptable, and very common, for many to just be skill bots for fusing. Fusing them away also doesn't matter since the compendium exists so you can always pull them out again later.
Huh, fair enough. After coming across Parvati and being relatively underwhelmed with the potency of her healing, this is nice to see. Bookmarked for later use. Thank you. =)
Parvati has Bowl of Hygieia and her magic is a bit worse than Idunn's, so the difference is not that big
Plus, Idunn is a few levels higher, of course she heals less ._.xd
This did not need to be a 12 minutes video.
Your right, I should have made it 12 hours. I'll do better next time just for you.
🤣
Can you make a video on how to build Nahobino? How did you build yours btw?
I went with a support build and maximized Kannabi Veil.