Mark up? They're not the same Wrench. I guess it depends what you value...If you want something with a lifetime warranty that's made in the USA with endless size, length and tool combinations then Snap-On it is...If you want some asian homeowner tools that come in a limited array of sizes and types then Icon....People are shocked Icon is so cheap. Well duh, if you pay a worker $25 an hour in the US and $2 in China then stuff is going to be cheaper.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 the flank drive plus only go up to 25mm in metric, I would recommend the wright grip 2.0 made in the USA you can get the set that goes from 6mm up to 50mm for way less than the Snap on. I currently do own the Snap-On.
@@heman85515 Well, luckily there are a lot of there reasons to value Snap-on ;) I like Japanese tools and own a fair amount of Koken, but they're not cheap. I think one of my flex ratchets was almost $160 after tax. Good back drag and tolerances.
In snap on test. He pulled while pushing off the bench to get the icon to slip. With their own tool, he just leaned back. Their own test wasn't an equal test.
I agree that the Icon was not able to apply the same amount of torque as the Snap-on. In my use case (which is how each person should be making their purchasing decision) if I'm applying as much torque as it looked like you were applying with an open-end box wrench, I'm probably looking for a different tool anyway and I'll save myself the money. If my el-cheapo Craftsman/Icon round off the bolt, I'm going to stick a pair of vice grips on the head (heat as necessary), yank the bolt/nut out, and replace it. And I'll still save myself the money. For industry mechanics that are doing a LOT of these, that value may be justified for them, but in my case, I can't justify the expense.
@@Nordman555 If we're talking about purely ability to apply torque, then yeah, the RBRT seem to be best, at least based on the torque test channel's testing. Or at least, tied for best. Wright seems like the best all around I'd say, especially when price is taken into account. Albeit it may be harder to warranty than your tool truck or Icon options.
@@KeterMalkuth yeah I was only talking about torque, if you want best all rounder or best value for money I can't think of loads of spanner sets that are under £150 and great... 12pc Halfords Advanced 25pc Halfords Advanced 19pc Tekton 14pc Facom 15pc Tekton 15pc Gearwrench long 19pc Capri XT90 15pc Milwaukee max bite 10pc Wright 751 19pc Carlyle
You are right about Den of Tools. I’m not paying for SnapOn but all that BS testing with a nylon nut proves that a pair of Knipex pliers is better than a wrench
These tests prove nothing. Whether you're using Snap On, Icon, GearWrench or whatever brand. No two wrenches are the same. You could have two snap on wrenches that are slightly different as well as two icons that are slightly different. Everyone just needs to stop this insanity. Use what you want and what you can afford. That's it, they all will get the job done.
Gee it only took 34 years (Flank Drive Plus came out in 1990) for tool manufacturers like Icon and Mac to equal Snap-on in performance (sometimes anyway). It's amazing what you can do with slave labor in foreign countries and ripping off expired US patents. Yes, Snap-On is expensive, but those costs support American labor, the best in engineering, a lifetime warranty, endless specialty tools and new tool R&D among other things. All Harbor Freight and the other cheapo importers/manufacturers can do is rip off existing designs when enough time passes. Good luck getting a speciality tool for a new car at Harbor Freight....Thank god Snap-on exists for professionals like me. For decades they were there for me in a pinch when other tools failed, or other companies didn't make the tool I needed. Now I'm not saying the average Joe should buy Snap-on, but I also don't believe in pissing on something because you can't afford it.
Very well said. It's a shame that the concept of supporting American made has become such a foreign concept to so many. Used to be a fundamental principal in our society.
What size is the piece of hex stock? If you're using a 13mm on a piece of 1/2" stock of course they slip easier than they should. I believe legitimate tests should be done on the proper bolt head size.
@@erikbryant5211 it's not 1/2" hex stock The hex stock 13mm and it measures 12.95mm.... Icon open end measures at 13.11mm Snap on open end measures at 13.22mm
To me, you are only as good as the tool. If you have the money and want to purchase snap on or tools around the same price range tools then each can do whatever they please with their money. If you don’t feel like spending the money on tools at that price and harbor freight is a better choice for your needs then go with that and leave others alone. This snap on and harbor freight drama honestly is getting out of hand.
@MotorCityMetalArt maybe not but I wouldn't buy anything from them. Not when there are better options out there. My craftsman set from the 90s are still working just as good now as they were back then.
I personally own just a small selection of snap on. From old bike shop days. Still grab old craftsman or other randoms in the box most of the time. Are snap on over priced, definitely! Way too much. Are they better... maybe. But hey, I like tools. All of them. Especially older made in the USA stuff. Are any of us happy that most tools are made over seas? Doubt it. Am i still buying snap on now that mechanics are simply a hobby? Nope. But im glad I have a few ratchets, wrenches, screwdrivers and pliers. Not many, but a few. I like tools like my wife likes jewlery and bags and shit. Same same. Buy whatever you like. What does anyones opinion even do? Nothing. Cheers wrenchers. 🫡🇺🇸
Interesting results 🔧
A $1000 wrench doesnt make you a mechanic, any more than a $1000 rifle makes you a "sniper."
Not worth the 500 percent mark up
Mark up? They're not the same Wrench. I guess it depends what you value...If you want something with a lifetime warranty that's made in the USA with endless size, length and tool combinations then Snap-On it is...If you want some asian homeowner tools that come in a limited array of sizes and types then Icon....People are shocked Icon is so cheap. Well duh, if you pay a worker $25 an hour in the US and $2 in China then stuff is going to be cheaper.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 the flank drive plus only go up to 25mm in metric, I would recommend the wright grip 2.0 made in the USA you can get the set that goes from 6mm up to 50mm for way less than the Snap on. I currently do own the Snap-On.
@@afellowinnewengland6142 I don't value things just because they are made here. The majority of my tools are Japanese just like my daily driver
@@afellowinnewengland6142 and they sit in an icon box I payed no interest on the tools ,box or car .
@@heman85515 Well, luckily there are a lot of there reasons to value Snap-on ;) I like Japanese tools and own a fair amount of Koken, but they're not cheap. I think one of my flex ratchets was almost $160 after tax. Good back drag and tolerances.
In snap on test. He pulled while pushing off the bench to get the icon to slip. With their own tool, he just leaned back. Their own test wasn't an equal test.
I agree that the Icon was not able to apply the same amount of torque as the Snap-on. In my use case (which is how each person should be making their purchasing decision) if I'm applying as much torque as it looked like you were applying with an open-end box wrench, I'm probably looking for a different tool anyway and I'll save myself the money. If my el-cheapo Craftsman/Icon round off the bolt, I'm going to stick a pair of vice grips on the head (heat as necessary), yank the bolt/nut out, and replace it. And I'll still save myself the money. For industry mechanics that are doing a LOT of these, that value may be justified for them, but in my case, I can't justify the expense.
You are absolutely correct.
At some point, those "grooves" or "bumps" on the Icon look to be working like a saw blade, eating its way through the steel. Hmmm.
Have either one failed you in your everyday work? That’s what really counts.
Yes both of them. What's next ?
MAC RBRT are the best spanners and no one else comes close
6 point and no
@@Nordman555 If we're talking about purely ability to apply torque, then yeah, the RBRT seem to be best, at least based on the torque test channel's testing. Or at least, tied for best. Wright seems like the best all around I'd say, especially when price is taken into account. Albeit it may be harder to warranty than your tool truck or Icon options.
@@Nordman555 what do you recommend then?
@@KeterMalkuth yeah I was only talking about torque, if you want best all rounder or best value for money I can't think of loads of spanner sets that are under £150 and great...
12pc Halfords Advanced
25pc Halfords Advanced
19pc Tekton
14pc Facom
15pc Tekton
15pc Gearwrench long
19pc Capri XT90
15pc Milwaukee max bite
10pc Wright 751
19pc Carlyle
It looked like the hex moved when you were doing the snap on side, almost like the vice wasnt tight enough
Just give me the cheap Pittsburg wrench, when they wear out or break, HF has lifetime replacement also.
🤫 don't tell den of Tools or the Harbor Army
Hey I like harbor freight too but facts are facts. 🤷
You are right about Den of Tools. I’m not paying for SnapOn but all that BS testing with a nylon nut proves that a pair of Knipex pliers is better than a wrench
These tests prove nothing. Whether you're using Snap On, Icon, GearWrench or whatever brand. No two wrenches are the same. You could have two snap on wrenches that are slightly different as well as two icons that are slightly different. Everyone just needs to stop this insanity. Use what you want and what you can afford. That's it, they all will get the job done.
@@leopdion5976 The nylon nut was what Snap On used in their test. So that's what the other dude who started this nonsense used.
Gee it only took 34 years (Flank Drive Plus came out in 1990) for tool manufacturers like Icon and Mac to equal Snap-on in performance (sometimes anyway). It's amazing what you can do with slave labor in foreign countries and ripping off expired US patents. Yes, Snap-On is expensive, but those costs support American labor, the best in engineering, a lifetime warranty, endless specialty tools and new tool R&D among other things. All Harbor Freight and the other cheapo importers/manufacturers can do is rip off existing designs when enough time passes. Good luck getting a speciality tool for a new car at Harbor Freight....Thank god Snap-on exists for professionals like me. For decades they were there for me in a pinch when other tools failed, or other companies didn't make the tool I needed. Now I'm not saying the average Joe should buy Snap-on, but I also don't believe in pissing on something because you can't afford it.
Very well said. It's a shame that the concept of supporting American made has become such a foreign concept to so many. Used to be a fundamental principal in our society.
I want to see someone do this same test but with the box ends rather than the open ends.
@@RangerRick-xv4mo look at project farm, torque test & den of tools. They test the box ends to failure
What size is the piece of hex stock? If you're using a 13mm on a piece of 1/2" stock of course they slip easier than they should. I believe legitimate tests should be done on the proper bolt head size.
Agreed
@@erikbryant5211 it's not 1/2" hex stock
The hex stock 13mm and it measures 12.95mm....
Icon open end measures at 13.11mm
Snap on open end measures at 13.22mm
The stupid v groove on the icons work against the teeth
What the hell are you people using open end wrenchs on you gotta hang off the tool to get it to bust loose? Theres better tools for alignments.
@@familyfleetdiy5977 😆
To me, you are only as good as the tool. If you have the money and want to purchase snap on or tools around the same price range tools then each can do whatever they please with their money. If you don’t feel like spending the money on tools at that price and harbor freight is a better choice for your needs then go with that and leave others alone. This snap on and harbor freight drama honestly is getting out of hand.
Just did this with a 14mm snappy 4 the win
I don’t want a wrench that has pat pend (patent pending) stamped onto the fucking handle
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If you can do this by hand. The tool is garbage !
@@clems6989 or I'm just really strong 😏
I have said for many, many years, snap on is overrated and overpriced junk.
Overpriced yea. Junk I don't think so ..
@MotorCityMetalArt maybe not but I wouldn't buy anything from them. Not when there are better options out there. My craftsman set from the 90s are still working just as good now as they were back then.
@@TJsVette fair enough
I personally own just a small selection of snap on. From old bike shop days. Still grab old craftsman or other randoms in the box most of the time. Are snap on over priced, definitely! Way too much. Are they better... maybe. But hey, I like tools. All of them. Especially older made in the USA stuff. Are any of us happy that most tools are made over seas? Doubt it. Am i still buying snap on now that mechanics are simply a hobby? Nope. But im glad I have a few ratchets, wrenches, screwdrivers and pliers. Not many, but a few. I like tools like my wife likes jewlery and bags and shit. Same same. Buy whatever you like. What does anyones opinion even do? Nothing.
Cheers wrenchers. 🫡🇺🇸