The lack of understanding the difference between killing in an active combat zone for your own protection and executing a defeated defenseless enemy in front of the public is wild.
In Megatron’s defense, Sentinel is too dangerous to be left alive. Knowing what he did, Sentinel could still bribe people when he’s on trial to get away with his crimes. What is wrong about Megatron, however, was that he shot Optimus and dropped him to die then tried to endanger civilians.
Also we doesn't even got confirmation if those fodders are living being or not, in other tf series usually they are either clones or just programmed drones. It does make sense because all of them look the same. And make sense too because sentinel must have trust issues to just using real living being.
Exactly. I've seen a few reactors say Orion was being hypocritical, but there is a big difference between killing in battle, a survival mechanism, and killing in cold blood without government sanction.
There's also the political issue. One is a nameless soldier while the other is the ringleader. It's not to say the latter shouldn't get capital punishment, but alas, while they deserve worse than the grunts, they nonetheless get the luxury of due process.
the reason orion stopped d-16 in that moment was not to save sentinel, but to save d-16 from giving into his rage. we see it in the scene directly after, megatron never stops at one. its clear in that moment that d-16 wasnt just being driven by revenge, but now an active lust for blood and violence. the idea that orion would be against sentinel being killed or punished is just bs. he literally hit him with a train earlier in the movie, i dont think thats his issue. its the whole "executing him while he's on the ground in front of the entirety of cybertron". not to mention, it wasnt d-16's decision to make in that moment. sentinel wronged ALL of the transformers, and it is a selfish decision to put himself and his interests above the rest. orion seems more inclined to a just conclusion by fair trial.
Plus, Sentinel was a veritable energon mine of information on the Quentessants. He probably knew everything about their operations on Cybertron, information that was lost when D-16 stopped trusting his brother.
And besides, if sentinel was executed without Orion trying to stop D-16, then all of cybertron (except the high guard) would fear D and see him as a tyrant rather than a hero, leader, or even just a savior.
Exactly. This wasn’t Orion saying ‘I’m afraid to do this’. This was Orion saying ‘I’m afraid of what doing this will do to YOU because you are my brother.’ It was fundamentally an act of love that Megatron rejected in his rage.
Like the other other comment I've seen about this topic, I agree. He did kill sentinel, but it didn't resolve that inner rage and conflict he had after. Instead it had no where to go since it didn't get resolved at all, and pointed out at anything that doesn't agree with his ideals
Nah ain't no way they're comparing self defense to killing a defenseless sentinel that was practically begging for mercy 💀 The drone that punched B's mask got his hand broken and still attacked and killed, the two that saw B with knife hands ran away and optimus told B to leave them
28:20 The reason Optimus cared about Megatron executing Sentinel was because Optimus knows that when Sentinel is defeated, people will look to them for leadership. The killing part doesn't matter, it's how in the eyes of the people. Starting a new era with your new leaders broadcasting a live execution would send the message to their entire species that the strong rule over the weak, and this rebellion was revenge, not for justice. He can still be punished to death after being tried in court, but straight up Kratos L3+R3ing a dude is not how you want to show you're worthy of running their civilization.
Exactly. Violently executing the old tyrant without anything resembling due process doesn’t say ‘start of a new era of peace and prosperity’, it says ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’.
@@caffeinedelusionshey, remember when this happened in the ides of March at Rome? Yeah the next decades were good for people under Augustus after they beat the shit out of the murderers of Caesar. Everyone forgets that killing opposing leaders has been a norm for humanity far longer than it has been a taboo. Many of the "great" leaders we look up to as societies respect defeated leaders, far more don't.
@@caffeinedelusionsHonest genuine question. Is due process really necessary, when everyone was already shown a recording of the criminal admitting to their crimes?
@@Meldrick-jv7syThey'd be no better if that was their solution. Personally, I would've had him working in the mines and remove his cog until the matrix returned, then throw him in jail.
@@RogueShinobiXX25he’s also not entirely defenseless cuz he’s literally a living weapon too. Look away for one sec he could transform into something worse
@@RogueShinobiXX25 Megatron took everyone's freedom away. He selfishly became the sole judge, jury, and executioner of Sentinel. He's not the only one Sentinel wronged. Optimus was on the side of doing things the right way - which means leaving his fate up to the people, to EVERYONE he wronged. Megatron was selfish, angry, and just wanted to feel better. Optimus saw the bigger picture and knew this was the entirely wrong way to have a transfer of power.
Those who agree with Megatron’s action, just prove they’re unworthy of the Matrix as well. You shouldn’t want anyone dead, there’s a difference between justice and vengeance. Optimus knows it, Primus knows it, and so do I.
"muh beggin for mercy" ☠️☠️☠️ Bruh is smooth brained and lost the point Killing was the easy way out for him, when the only thing everyone in Iacon deserved was justice for his crimes
Really? Calling Orion Pax dumb? D-16 could only see what he needed to destroy, not what he needed to protect. If he executed an already defeated Sentinel, he would never stop, because hate and vengeance would continue to move him and everyone would become a new potential threat that could stand in his path and would need to be killed too. Trying to stop D-16 was trying to prevent him from becoming tyrannical and cruel.
Optimus never kills unless he has too in the movies they didn’t have that crucial part of his character to the point where Peter Cullen even said he didn’t like saying a lot of the lines because that’s not Optimus
The one thing the movies did right is making Optimus smart enough to kill his enemies isntead of this fucking "don't kill him or we're as bad as him" bullshit
@@Morten_Storvikexcept it’s been established over and over in Bayverse that Cybertronians are still highly dangerous and only truly defeated unless they’re dead. Hell, it’s also been established that they need to be literally ripped to shreds to ensure that they STAY dead or else they come back to life and continue fighting the war.
@@Morten_StorvikIt's because of that Megatron and the decepticons win in Cybertron, because of that a lot of people lost they lives, sometimes you have to do what is necessary and stopping playing the hero
The defining line of Optimus Prime as a character is ‘Be strong enough to be gentle’. Being strong enough to be gentle is being strong enough to protect those that can’t protect themselves. Optimus Prime is willing to kill… but not without good purpose, and not without weighing the consequences before the decision gets made.
@@JamesRhed935then why everyone in the movie refers to vehicons as "guys" like Bumblebee did, i'm sure as cybertronians they would know what is a drone/full robot with no sentience 🤔
Yeah and also, B-127 were attacked first, they were in a battle where the drones were also trying to kill B-127, which makes the kills self defense. But Sentinel was unarmed and trying to flee, and basically begged for mercy. So even tho Sentinel was awful and did horrible things. killing an unarmed and fleeing transformer is basically murder/execution. Meaning that D-16 would not be any better than Sentinel.
28:09 this is something to remember, Optimus since G1 aways been a pacifist and he only go to extreme measures if is the last resort. It's one of the reasons why many fans and even Peter Cullen himself said that he never like it his character version of the Bay movies
@@GOldenPROdigy115Yeah, but that was years of abuse? Anybody is gonna break after a while. Plus, he tried making good before Megatron betrayed him. That was the final straw. Tell me you don't know Optimus Prime, without telling me you don't know Optimus Prime
@@GOldenPROdigy115 The fact that you cant tell the difference between killing in self defense vs executing a helpless enemy shows a major lack in media literacy on your part.
I love Optimus in both the bayverse movies and in this one, but this one feels more accurate to his character for sure. His name is OPTIMUS. He always has hope after all! He wants to set an example for the generations to come. In the bayverse movies there is literally almost no future generations left to save.
Optimus in this movie would be absolutely horrified of Optimus in Bayverse. If he’s disturbed by Megatron beating up Sentinel (he didn’t witness Megatron doing the Jazz treatment to Sentinel), imagine his reaction to the Bayverse version of himself who beheaded Bonecrusher, shot Demolisher in the head, tore Grindor’s head in half, tore off The Fallen’s face while wearing a corpse of Jetfire, Gouged the eye off Shockwave, Ripped out Megatron’s head and spine and shot Sentinel in the head. Not even Hannibal Lecter would go this far.
Bayverse made Optimus Prime way too much of an angsty teenager imo. Like, I get the rage and anger, but everything else after the first three movies went to shit. The only good movie that came out of Bayverse since the third movie, is the Beast wars one...
Bayverse Optimus had been through who knows how many cycles of war with the Decepticons and had seen the literal death of his planet, so I do understand the ruthlessness from the movies. Meanwhile TF One Optimus was less than 50 cycles old, basically a kid for Cybertonians.
Rt tv, I don’t like that you think Optimus was being stupid, bumblebee caught bodies for sure, but the bodies of the enemies, sentinel and his crew were working for the quintessans, so he was the enemy and megatron killing sentinel, the head of the enemy was not the way to start rebuilding Iacon, and as you saw, he started wilding out and destroying the city which could have possibly killed innocent people, the bodies bumblebee caught were guilty, the traitors of cybertron, the ones who made everyone live a lie, he has a good reason to catch bodies, megatron though, whether you’re innocent or guilty, he didn’t give a damn, exposing sentinel would have been enough to defeat sentinel and avoid unnecessary damage, but of course megatron went off the deep end, and Optimus tried to stop, Optimus’s actions were justified and make sense and so was megatron’s descent to evil
Idk how y’all don’t understand the basic principles of kill or be killed. If an active war zone of course you going to have to kill someone trying to kill you. But when someone is defenseless, begging for mercy it’s a totally different situation, ur killing someone who isn’t fighting back and has given up. It’s the equivalent to executing a prisoner after he surrendered vs killing someone trying to actively kill you
The difference is that Sentinel at his defeat was defenseless and had no more power over Cybertron. He couldn’t do anything even if he tried. Orion’s point was that starting a leadership with killing a bot sends the message that they’ll be no better and maybe even worse, and it’ll send fear that whatever bot would be next to die if they step out of line. However, if it’s started with a fair trial, it’ll show that they weren’t motivated by power but for justice, fairness, and truth. Cybertronian people could finally heal. That’s Orion’s point. Edit: Also, the ones B killed are vehicons. Vehicons are barely more advanced than the AI we have now on Earth. They’re smart, yes, but hardly sentient and not self aware. They’re like the drones from the beginning.
Optimus just wanted Sentinel to face proper judgment for his crimes first, while Megatron wanted to execute him out of rage. Optimus saw that Megatron was slowly losing his humanity and sacrificed his life as a last-ditch effort to make his friend see reason
It's also the fact that D16 makes it sound it's personal, when it's not only him that got robbed of when a whole nation of them are there. Optimus wanted the entirety of Iacon to judge Sentinel's crime so he can face consequences, but Megatron just wanted to prove that unity doesn't come from peaceful decisions, rather than from bloodlust and rage
i dont understand why its hard to comprehend that the bots apart from Airachnid who were fighting for Sentinel were DRONES who were ojt to kill them?? Theyre mindless. Also, killing a DEFEATED Sentinel in cold blood after achieving Victory by exposing him isnt Justice, its blind Vengence and Orion didnt want that for D16. Orion was the better man in that scenario, D16 lost his better judgement...just like Sentinel
@@kivash-fg9vf I'm pretty sure they were alive. They at least feared for their lives when B-127 wanted to cut them. That said, there's a difference between a rank-and-file and the ringleader of a massive deception. Sadly, rich/powerful people get afforded due process while the soldier on the front lines die a forgotten death and get accused of being a mindless drone.
Those bots were 100% sentient. Them “looking identical” is not an argument against that considering half of all transformers are just recolours of pre existing characters (Bumblebee and Cliffjumper for example). They constantly emote and react to situations just like any normal Cybertronian. They’re most comparable to the Clone Troopers of Star Wars than actual mindless soldiers. As for Dee killing Sentinel, that’s 100% justified in my books. He essentially executed Robo-Hitler. Postponing his execution wouldn’t have changed anything and imprisoning him would not be a worthier fate for someone as sick as Sentinel. He deserved what happened to him. Optimus is not the better person. He constantly kills, along with Alita and Bee (which by the way Bee is a fucking psychopath, Optimus should not be enabling him), and instead of dismantling the system that put their people down for the last 50 or so cycles he instead just becomes the new leader of it. On the other hand Megatron was a revolutionary trying to tear down the system. I think the only thing he did that was excessive was deciding to drop Optimus down the pit (though that did result in Optimus resurrecting so it was probably the best choice coincidentally). I stand with the Decepticons (up to this point), Optimus and the Autobots are a self righteous group of hypocrites.
@@rexcelsior5415 the clones have some levels of sentience since it makes them more effective than a mindless drone (seeing that they can react to stuff) but they are less alive than members of the high guard or other autobots. Yeah the reuse designs but they always have names & different colors to tell them apart. Like you said bumblee & cliff jumper have the same design but everything else is different from the voice to the colors to their personality. These drones look, sounds & act the same as each other. They aren’t individuals it’s not the same. And a random nobody like D-16 can’t just kill a leader like that. It’s like when you kill a president, it’s not his place to do that. If the people of cybertron & its government want him dead than he will be executed but if they’d rather him be in prison than it’s THEIR choice. 1 transformer can’t make that kind of decision otherwise everyone will want to throw their own kind of justice everyone which is why cybertron eventually falls And Optimus doesn’t kill defenseless transformers. There is a difference between killing someone in a fight & killing someone on the floor injured, defenseless & begging for his life And you seriously siding with Megatron? His idea of tearing down the system is mass genocide. Killing anyone & everyone against him. He even said he tear down anyone in his way. The only people he was going to keep would be his followers which is exactly why cybertron fell. HE is the one who went too far and his system wouldn’t have worked. He’d be a dictatorship, it wouldn’t matter what anyone wants, only what Megatron wants
I love how the comments are correcting these reactors and showing the difference between killing for survival and killing in cold blood/rage/revenge Which are Definitively and fundamentally different
I swear people literally watched this movie with their eyes closed. D-16 is NOT a good guy. His flaws don’t lie in his ideology but his methods. YES sentinel deserves to die but the whole point of the movie is that bots like D16 had their freedom of choice stripped away and D16 is trying to make change through force. It’s literally the same thing Sentinel did. Violently ending the previous establishment and forcing the creation of a new society. He literally says earlier that he doesn’t care about sharing the truth because the people worship sentinel. It’s should be the choice of the cybertronian people whether or not sentinel gets executed and d-16 rises to power. Did you notice how Orion appeals to the downtrodden miners and Megatron appeals to the militant rebel faction with the ideal of “one bot over another”? It’s literally in your face the WHOLE movie.
As much as I wish it wasn't so, TF One really is a better movie than my beloved 86 classic. The best Transformers movie yet, and if we're lucky, it'll get the sequels it deserves :)
For some reason most reaction channels reacted the same way with optimus being "hypocritical" with the execution. Like people dont wanna follow someone with murdering intent. Also im probably like the 100th person to say this but bumblee killed drones, there's a difference.
I've seen a lot of their anime reactions and I'll give maybe one or two of them credit for knowing when to shut up and take a scene in. There's emotional comprehension in there but as a whole? Fuck man. Sometimes I wonder if they were watching the same shit.
Optimus was more against killing just sentinel because it would’ve been the same thing sentinel did to the primes the act of going from one dictator to another by murdering them that’s not how Optimus wanted to start a new society to be built on, and Megatron not following ANY leader and tweaking out destroying everything and wanting to kill every follower of sentinels was crazy ngl but i also definitely see killing sentinel as Megatron I’d be mad asf too
Ngl y'all kinda slow bro not trying to be offensive but y'all gotta actually stop watch and think. There's a literal difference between killing for survival and killing someone that's defenseless
Starting a new age executing the previous leader and taking Cybertron’s future into your own hands forcefully through blood - sounds exactly like what Sentinel did, and what Megatron tried to do
The important distinction between Orion & co fighting versus D-16 executing Sentinel is that before, they were always on the defensive, protecting themselves or saving hostages. When D-16 killed Sentinel, however, he was already dethroned, stripped of his power, and couldn't even fight back. He had already lost.
Wait, do you five genuinely believe fighting an enemy soldier in a battle and executing an already defeated enemy in front of an entire populace are similar? My brothers in Christ, WAR and MURDER are not the same thing. I’m sorry if this sounds rude, but how can you miss the point that badly?
*THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST TRANSFORMERS MOVIE!!!* Everything from the stellar animation, music, the fight scenes and choreography, the story, the character arcs and fantastic voice acting was just incredible. Chris Hemsworth and Brian Tyree Henry truly blew me away, mainly because they absolutely killed it as Optimus and Megatron and brought a level of humanity to the characters as you truly understand where both of them are coming from and how much they care for each other as friends as it genuinely breaks your heart watching them fall apart. Brian Tyree Henry especially brought such a level of complex tragedy and emotional pain as D-16/Megatron that Ive never seen before when it comes to the character and honestly, he might be my new favourite take on Megatron. Usually Megatron has never been portrayed as a sympathetic villain who was a product of a corrupt system before in most media outside of the TF comics. I loved how you can see his thought process through his eyes and how he was genuinely happy being a miner and believed in the system, but after learning about the truth about Sentinel, his entire worldview shatters, and his mental state slowly collapses more and more. The moment he is mocked and tortured by Sentinel, D-16 finally has had enough, and the moment he accidentally shoots Orion, we see I'm going through a complete emotional breakdown seeing his best friend almost dead but also perceiving it as a betrayal as D-16 has always had to cover Orion and save him for all his recklessness. However, he still chooses to take the bullet because he is trying to save D-16 from making a terrible mistake, but ultimately, it is too late, and now only Megatron exists. Chris Hemsworth was also surprisingly excellent in Optimus Prime, and it really shocked me how much range he has as an actor/voice actor, as he sounded like a young Peter Cullen. I especially love his arc of growing to understand his responsibilities, and that scene where Orion inspires the miners to fight back against Sentinel was so empowering because it really shows what kind of person Orion is I love the detail of Orion kneeling down at the miners' level because, unlike Sentinel, he was one of them and saw all of them as friends and family and inspiring all of them like a good father figure, which is everything Optimus Prime should be, a noble, hopeful leader whos never afraid to be gentle or compassionate to others. The movie is also surprisingly dark, as the trailers did not do this movie justice. There are genuinely a few mature and gruesome moments that shocked me and made me question whether this was a PG movie? It may have some moments of fun and levity for kids, which is funny, but when it needs to, it knows when to take itself seriously. It knows that the audience is smart enough to understand the Transformers franchise lore, which I appreciate. Im just disappointed with how poorly Paramount marketed this movie, as it genuinely deserved better promotion for such a great movie. The fact that one guy on Twitter single-handedly promoted the movie better than Paramount themselves and got more people to check this masterpiece is truly remarkable accomplishment. Yet, the box office has many concerned that we might not even get a sequel, which I really hope this movie does get a trilogy of Transformers animated films because there is still so much potential to dive into the Civil War of Cybertron, the Quintessons, how Cybertron ultimately collapsed from the war and explore these characters on a deeper level.
I'm starting to believe that people are indeed becoming less media literate and more emotional than ever now. To not understand the principles of the two at the end is wild because it was so simple. Hopefully we get smarter as time moves one though.
Orion wasn't specifically trying to save Sentinel. But he was trying to save D-16 from losing himself in his rage, anger and his burning desire for needless violence. Sentinel was defeated and defensless. He could've been simply arrested and put on trail for treason and be sentenced to death later on. As for bee killing the soldiers, those were just drones without any spark or life. So bee gets a pass.
I feel like there's a difference between killing mindless soldier drones in self-defense and executing the defenseless leader of your world in front of a public audience. Orion knows the guy is horrible and deserves to die. But he has a point. Turning the guy into a martyr in front of everyone in Iacon was not the solution when Sentinel needed to face justice by everyone since Sentinel wronged an entire planet (and also they could've gotten intel about the Quintessons from him while imprisoned). That and D-16. He knew D was on a downward spiral, crashing out from having his entire belief system and way of thinking uprooted in a matter of days. He knew that if D had taken that shot, there was no coming back from it. He didn't take that shot to save Sentinel from D-16. He took that shot to save his best friend from becoming something he could never turn back from. In the end, D gave into his anger and became Megatron.
The Vehicon clones are definitely not mindless, you’d have to not be paying attention to think that. The active combat is what makes the difference. They only let Airarachnid live because they needed her and successfully captured her.
They kinda did show the progression of Megatron turning throughout the movie, if you watch closely you can see his eyes go from yellow, bright orange, to red. Also solid reaction 💯
It should also be noted that all this happened to Megatron is like, less than a day. Unlike Orion, who had no regard for authority and the status quo, D-16 lived by that. Then he finds out his leader murdered his hero and the other leaders. And as that sinks in over the next few minutes, he finds out that the energon he works so hard and risks his life for was being given away to their ancestral enemies. Then he finds out that he had an "organ" removed as a "baby", and that he spent his entire life as a second class citizen/slave with limited options because of that. Oh, and later he gets brought to Sentinel where he's told he's gonna be branded as a traitor, gets punched, mocked and actually branded on the chest... then gets beaten-up/losing a fight against Sentinel, until the truth gets revealed to the public. Heck, his own best friend keeps getting in his way toward the end, he accidentally shoots his friend, who just accused him of being like Sentinel just a minute earlier. And then all the cycles of Orion getting him into trouble (against a lying system) comes bubbling up. And all this was happening in a matter of less than a day's time. D-16 never had any time to let his anger cool off. It's just one thing after another, stoking the flames of rage.
Note on trion from past stuff. He has the ability to see into the future and fans called off hints of this. From mourning for his friend to watching Orion and D talking. It’s not always accurate but he can get a idea of events to come. So he probably knew of the ambush but not entirely sure of the outcome and he knew who Orion and D will become but not sure who would be prime. He also probably knows cybertron fate of it dying and only way to save ir is off world. There is other primes is powers, one is vector prime. He can slip into the time steam and fans noticed his body wasn’t there in that cave. Depending on continuity vector doesn’t interfere with events so he and alpha would talk on what may happen, vector slips into the stream and watches said event. But he can interfere or he may lie on what happens.
A comment for everyone: 1. This movie is not part of the Bayverse continuity. That ended with the Last Knight. 2. This is not the original story of Transformers, it’s a retelling that is inspired by it. The original is Generation 1 continuity. 3. Trying to shoot a political opponent after they surrender in front of everyone is not the same as killing someone in the middle of combat. 4. The golden robot soldiers are not drones, they’re clones. They just don’t talk in this movie, likely for time and monetary reasons. They look to be Vehicon clones, which are sentient (they have different names, voices, etc.).
This Transformers movie is awesome. One of the main reasons why I like it is because it shows Optimus and Megatron were once as close as brothers before they were enemies
So the movie is 90% canon.. like D-16 and Orion Pax being the names of Megatron and Optimus, and them being best friends (brothers from another mother 😂) is true/canon.. Megatron’s backstory can be iffy at times like most origins say that he was a miner which is how he got the name D-16 but other origins say that he was a gladiator in the arena and already had the name Megatronus.. same with Optimus where some origins like this one say that he was a miner but others say that he was a clerk working under Alpha Trion (one of the original 13 primes).. The thing that I liked the most about this movie is the events that led into the lore such as Megatron fighting Starscream for the top spot and almost breaking his voice box led to why his voice is always raspy and why he’s always trying to take over the deceptions/take leadership or Bumblebee talking a lot/being annoying led his voice box being destroyed (in majority of the lore, it is said that Megatron destroyed Bee’s voice box when he was being interrogated but wouldn’t give up info on the Autobots or the whereabouts of Optimus)
Gladiatorship was never an official vocation- It was something Megatron did for sport, and for the needed extra credits to live off of, given that mining paid essentially indentured servant wages, *while he was a miner.* Megatron was also a poet, believe it or not, but, again- That was a hobby, and an occasional source of under-the-table income & notoriety, not an actual official vocation.
Killing necessary enemies who have weapons that can kill you and killing a target enemy that influences the decision of Iacon City's revolution is different, these drones have no effect on the overall change in the city of Iacon as much as a kill sentinel, and you call orion pax dumb? you all never notice why he doing that.
The reactions of this movie really show what kind of ppl some of yall are fr. Ive seen sl very few people actually understand Optimus in any capacity and its just sad.
The entire racing sequence is my absolute favorite part of this movie. It's like a Cybertronian version of Nascar!🏎🏍🏁 Fun fact: Transformers veteran and VA Steve Blum made cameo as the Iacon 5,000 Race Announcer.
You know, the sad thing about seeing all of these comments is knowing that these guys likely won't read them and even if they do read them they likely won't listen or pay attention and will continue to be as clueless as ever. I've given these guys the benefit of the doubt several times, but overtime the more annoying and dumb they've been getting during these reactions, the harder it was to keep doing that. I was genuinely excited to see this reaction, but after reading the comments and seeing the reaction for myself, I am disappointed. This is the first time I've actually disliked one of their videos. I think I won't be watching their movie/show reactions anymore, it probably won't be forever, but it'll definitely be a long while before I watch another one these. Orion Pax/Optimus Prime is not an idiot, these guys are the idiots. That is all.
As a Transformers fan since G1 and the 90’s era, this movie makes me really happy to see Elita One get more focused and action. Scarlet Johansson fits perfectly for the character like she did with Black widow. I hope our favorite female Autobot lives longer in surviving the upcoming Autobot-Decepticon Civil War in future sequels. The only animated show where Elita one I know alive with Optimus Prime is in Earthspark. None of us want Orion/Optimus to suffered like he is in Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy Netflix series.
Damn, ya’ll made me really dislike you and your whole channel with how brain dead you were in comparing Orion killing someone in self-defence in the middle of an active war zone and a defeated, defenceless enemy who’d already surrendered.
"We cannot start this with an execution" and yall responses to 'that don make no sense what' and 'bro bee was literally killing' are 2 very different instances. Like Bee was excited and fighting back soldiers who were fighting him, Sentinel was down, he was defeated, and killing him, would only prove that the new Icaron they would rebuild would be built upon the image of someone defenseless being mercilessly killed. Like if they did make peace then, if they had banished him or jailed him, then the new Icaron would be built on the foundations of communication and striving for peace. Neither wanted war but D-16 was so blinded by his hatred and "weakness" for being manipulated his whole life, that he decided that no one would make him feel that way again, meaning that he cannot be "weak" again, meaning he cannot be at peace, again. Killing a defenseless opponent is never the right option, if your being shot at, mercy is a bit impossible.
Y'all gotta understand Orion/Prime wanted to stop D-16/Megatron from killing Sentinel because he saw him filled with _hate_ . Bumble Bee and everyone else he knew killing their enemies was different because they fought for more than themselves. But Orion saw his best friend succumbing to a darker, blood lust filled mindset, and he didn't want him to embrace that. Megatron was filled with power and anger, and he let himself be guided by hate and superiority, not nobility and heroism. He wanted to kill because _he_ was hurting, not because everyone else was. Also there's a big difference between killing people who are constantly trying to kill YOU on a battlefield, and actively hunting down someone and wanting to make them suffer even when they're defenseless and already defeated. Morally speaking, that's not good, and can fester into something worse, which it did for Megatron. He was so caught up in his hatred that he was willing to destroy his closest friend.
Brian Tyree Henry really out did himself with his incredible performance and his deep understanding of Megatron since always wanted to play the villains. Every villain is a hero of his and her own Story. D-16 is not only a product of Cybertron’s corrupted system and takes on Sentinel Prime’s oppression though violent means all the social injustices he had experiences forged his transcendence into Megatron and building up to a rivalry with Orion turned Optimus Prime (due to wanting the same goal of a unified Cybertron but have different viewpoints). But their friendship is doomed since they discovered that shocking realization their leader Sentinel Prime had sold out Cybertron to the Quintessons after betraying his fellow Prime brothers and sisters, and ruled his planet through oppression. D-16 has put too much faith in the system he has held on to until his worldview was shattered that boils up to anger and a personal vengeance after being suffered of the social injustices while Orion still kept his optimism by exposing the truth of Sentinel's corruption. This what makes D-16 a much more of a compelling hero-turned-villain and tragic character in Transformers history. And the rift between two brothers. Both D-16 and Orion really wanted a unified Cybertron but each have different ways to bringing it into fruition.
Transformers one is definitely one of the best films of the entire franchise. It’s kinda like the prince of Egypt but if everyone were robots. But I’m hoping this movie does well, because they actually planned out a trilogy for this. Also, This movie is probably the closest will get to a non avengers team up between Thor and black widow.
Man, I hope this movie gets a sequel it is so nice to see a TF movie that actually has touches of comic refs and other media. 😤 The IDW comics have so much good material.
Can't wait for them to use some of the couples from the IDW comics, it's gonna make so many homophobes so mad and I'm here for it😂(the chaos I mean, not the homophobia)
I onced liked looking up these guys videos, but they always shown me how dense they can be in understanding movie plot. Theyre the worst kind of "i only liked the movie cause theres death in it, what is a plot?" Ahh watchers. Trash takes all the way 😂
Orion didn't stop D frim killing sentinel to save sentinel, He stopped D-16 so he wouldn't lose him to the darkness. he knew D was going to the point of no return and wanted to stop him before it happened, unfortunately, it failed. Also they did show his descent into madness, D-16s eyes went from Yellow to Orange to Red throughout the movie.
Some of the lore in this movie like the 13 Primes comes from Transformers Prime and we did see them in Revenge of the Fallen. Because The Fallen original name was Megatronus and Alpha Trion, in the allyned continuety lore and TF Prime, was Optimus mentor when he was Orion Pax
Bros, preventing a cold blooded execution is WAY different than fighting back against soldiers fighting you. Orion was trying prevent D-16 from executing an already defeated enemy because he had already lost. Orion wanted proper justice.
The reason Orion had a problem with D-16's attempted murder of Sentinel is because it's a public execution which publicly portrays D-16 as a bloodthirsty murderer and he didn't want people to think of him in that way, he didn't want to think of him that way. One could argue that the people praised him for killing sentinel but the ones present at the monument do not speak for the entirety of Iacon. His fellow miners would change their view of him. Orion didn't have a problem with B-127 cutting up Sentinel's guard because they were armed and were actively attacking them, Sentinel was helpless and severely injured. He also tried to stop him to prevent him from giving in to his rage as we see, he becomes a nigh unstoppable force when he becomes vengeful.
It wasn't about Sentinel, it was about D-16. Sentinel did deserve retribution, but Orion saw the darkness, the hatred, building up within his friend. He wasn't trying to save Sentinel from D-16: he was trying to save D-16 from himself.
Megatron is a GREAT example of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. He loved Sentinel Prime and believed everything he said, but once he found out the truth he was filled with hatred and anger with no mercy. Megatron only saw black and white. Optimus was literally the optimist the whole movie, and tried to stop Megatron because he knew he was losing himself in anger. I’m ready for the second one 😍♥️
28:08 It was quite literally a life or death situation between Bee and Sentinel’s soldiers. Sentinel being at Megatron’s mercy is a completely different thing.
Killing sentinel is ok it’s about the precedent it leaves for a better world, not killing in this case is not just about kindness , it’s about creating a new era and it takes a lot to calm down , wayy more strength than it takes to pull the trigger
If you're wondering why all of the reactions lack that OOMF, it's because nobody sits in the middle. You either have overly enthusiastic viewers who "cheer" at the movie when Bumblebee or Optimus does anything remotely 'cool', or viewers who don't know anything about Transformers and can't be bothered to apply themselves, but rather, choose to go "BIG ROBOT GO BANG-BANG" and that's it. Transformers is the perfect illuminator of people's IQ. The switch-up between Bayverse to Bumblebee, then to TFOne is so polarizing that it's like cold-shock to people's brains.
Is people's moral compass so flawed nowadays that they just never seem to actually understand what the guy means when he says "don't be like x(Person who is bad)" anymore? Every reactor I've watched seems to need to visit a fucking ethics class a few times... or learn what "media literacy" means.
The lack of understanding the difference between killing in an active combat zone for your own protection and executing a defeated defenseless enemy in front of the public is wild.
Real bro
In Megatron’s defense, Sentinel is too dangerous to be left alive. Knowing what he did, Sentinel could still bribe people when he’s on trial to get away with his crimes. What is wrong about Megatron, however, was that he shot Optimus and dropped him to die then tried to endanger civilians.
And D-16 kept killing folks after Sentential was dead . Can’t have a leader that loses control.
@@nont18411There was no reason to keep killing folks after Sentential’s death. No one wants an out of control leader.
Also we doesn't even got confirmation if those fodders are living being or not, in other tf series usually they are either clones or just programmed drones.
It does make sense because all of them look the same. And make sense too because sentinel must have trust issues to just using real living being.
Killing a soldier shooting at you, and executing a defeated enemy on the floor are fundamentally different things.
You would think they would execute common sense
@@madara211000can't blame them since they're probably exposed to bayverse first
Exactly. I've seen a few reactors say Orion was being hypocritical, but there is a big difference between killing in battle, a survival mechanism, and killing in cold blood without government sanction.
There's also the political issue. One is a nameless soldier while the other is the ringleader. It's not to say the latter shouldn't get capital punishment, but alas, while they deserve worse than the grunts, they nonetheless get the luxury of due process.
They ain’t bright
No way y'all compared killing Sentinel in cold blood infront of all the other cybertronians, to Bumblee killin the drones that were with Sentinel😂
Clones, not drones.
the reason orion stopped d-16 in that moment was not to save sentinel, but to save d-16 from giving into his rage. we see it in the scene directly after, megatron never stops at one. its clear in that moment that d-16 wasnt just being driven by revenge, but now an active lust for blood and violence.
the idea that orion would be against sentinel being killed or punished is just bs. he literally hit him with a train earlier in the movie, i dont think thats his issue. its the whole "executing him while he's on the ground in front of the entirety of cybertron".
not to mention, it wasnt d-16's decision to make in that moment. sentinel wronged ALL of the transformers, and it is a selfish decision to put himself and his interests above the rest. orion seems more inclined to a just conclusion by fair trial.
Exactly! The amount of people called Optimus as stupid or asked why is genuinely concerns me.
Plus, Sentinel was a veritable energon mine of information on the Quentessants. He probably knew everything about their operations on Cybertron, information that was lost when D-16 stopped trusting his brother.
And besides, if sentinel was executed without Orion trying to stop D-16, then all of cybertron (except the high guard) would fear D and see him as a tyrant rather than a hero, leader, or even just a savior.
Exactly. This wasn’t Orion saying ‘I’m afraid to do this’. This was Orion saying ‘I’m afraid of what doing this will do to YOU because you are my brother.’
It was fundamentally an act of love that Megatron rejected in his rage.
Like the other other comment I've seen about this topic, I agree. He did kill sentinel, but it didn't resolve that inner rage and conflict he had after. Instead it had no where to go since it didn't get resolved at all, and pointed out at anything that doesn't agree with his ideals
Nah ain't no way they're comparing self defense to killing a defenseless sentinel that was practically begging for mercy 💀
The drone that punched B's mask got his hand broken and still attacked and killed, the two that saw B with knife hands ran away and optimus told B to leave them
Did sentinel show any mercy to anyone who crossed him? Why should a tyrant be afforded the mercy he couldn't afford to others?
@@akihikosakurai4013 Because they should set a better example then Sentinel they literally say that in the damn movie
@@akihikosakurai4013 two wrongs don't make a right
I'm glad you're not in any position of power
Don't be like sentinel is what Orion Said and then Boom dead@@studior2962
@@akihikosakurai4013”hmmm bad guy does bad things so good guy should do bad things”
28:20
The reason Optimus cared about Megatron executing Sentinel was because Optimus knows that when Sentinel is defeated, people will look to them for leadership. The killing part doesn't matter, it's how in the eyes of the people.
Starting a new era with your new leaders broadcasting a live execution would send the message to their entire species that the strong rule over the weak, and this rebellion was revenge, not for justice.
He can still be punished to death after being tried in court, but straight up Kratos L3+R3ing a dude is not how you want to show you're worthy of running their civilization.
Exactly. Violently executing the old tyrant without anything resembling due process doesn’t say ‘start of a new era of peace and prosperity’, it says ‘meet the new boss, same as the old boss’.
@@caffeinedelusionshey, remember when this happened in the ides of March at Rome? Yeah the next decades were good for people under Augustus after they beat the shit out of the murderers of Caesar.
Everyone forgets that killing opposing leaders has been a norm for humanity far longer than it has been a taboo. Many of the "great" leaders we look up to as societies respect defeated leaders, far more don't.
@@caffeinedelusionsHonest genuine question.
Is due process really necessary, when everyone was already shown a recording of the criminal admitting to their crimes?
@@Meldrick-jv7syThey'd be no better if that was their solution.
Personally, I would've had him working in the mines and remove his cog until the matrix returned, then throw him in jail.
There is a difference between killing someone in self-defense and killing someone on the ground begging for mercy.
I'm in Megatron's side when it comes to killing sentinel though. He deserved it. He forced them into slavery and lied to them.
@@RogueShinobiXX25he’s also not entirely defenseless cuz he’s literally a living weapon too. Look away for one sec he could transform into something worse
@@RogueShinobiXX25 Megatron took everyone's freedom away. He selfishly became the sole judge, jury, and executioner of Sentinel. He's not the only one Sentinel wronged. Optimus was on the side of doing things the right way - which means leaving his fate up to the people, to EVERYONE he wronged. Megatron was selfish, angry, and just wanted to feel better. Optimus saw the bigger picture and knew this was the entirely wrong way to have a transfer of power.
Those who agree with Megatron’s action, just prove they’re unworthy of the Matrix as well. You shouldn’t want anyone dead, there’s a difference between justice and vengeance. Optimus knows it, Primus knows it, and so do I.
"muh beggin for mercy" ☠️☠️☠️
Bruh is smooth brained and lost the point
Killing was the easy way out for him, when the only thing everyone in Iacon deserved was justice for his crimes
Bumblebee and the others killing enemy soldiers in the heat of battle isn’t the same as Megatron publicly executing someone who’s already defenseless.
Getting media literacy checked by the kids robot movie is foul 😭
Really? Calling Orion Pax dumb? D-16 could only see what he needed to destroy, not what he needed to protect. If he executed an already defeated Sentinel, he would never stop, because hate and vengeance would continue to move him and everyone would become a new potential threat that could stand in his path and would need to be killed too. Trying to stop D-16 was trying to prevent him from becoming tyrannical and cruel.
yeah the thougth of them make me irritated.
Optimus never kills unless he has too in the movies they didn’t have that crucial part of his character to the point where Peter Cullen even said he didn’t like saying a lot of the lines because that’s not Optimus
The one thing the movies did right is making Optimus smart enough to kill his enemies isntead of this fucking "don't kill him or we're as bad as him" bullshit
@@MagiaBased It`s not bullshit that murdering a defeated enemy in cold blood and killing them in battle are completely different things.
@@Morten_Storvikexcept it’s been established over and over in Bayverse that Cybertronians are still highly dangerous and only truly defeated unless they’re dead. Hell, it’s also been established that they need to be literally ripped to shreds to ensure that they STAY dead or else they come back to life and continue fighting the war.
@@Morten_StorvikIt's because of that Megatron and the decepticons win in Cybertron, because of that a lot of people lost they lives, sometimes you have to do what is necessary and stopping playing the hero
The defining line of Optimus Prime as a character is ‘Be strong enough to be gentle’.
Being strong enough to be gentle is being strong enough to protect those that can’t protect themselves. Optimus Prime is willing to kill… but not without good purpose, and not without weighing the consequences before the decision gets made.
I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure that the yellow robots bumblebee killed were drones but I might be wrong
Yeah, Vehicons are drones and have little sentience
Also there is a difference in killing in battle, and killing with cold blood(energon) a defensless person.
@@Simba436 yea fr they really didn’t understand that
@@JamesRhed935then why everyone in the movie refers to vehicons as "guys" like Bumblebee did, i'm sure as cybertronians they would know what is a drone/full robot with no sentience 🤔
Yeah and also, B-127 were attacked first, they were in a battle where the drones were also trying to kill B-127, which makes the kills self defense. But Sentinel was unarmed and trying to flee, and basically begged for mercy. So even tho Sentinel was awful and did horrible things. killing an unarmed and fleeing transformer is basically murder/execution. Meaning that D-16 would not be any better than Sentinel.
28:09 this is something to remember, Optimus since G1 aways been a pacifist and he only go to extreme measures if is the last resort. It's one of the reasons why many fans and even Peter Cullen himself said that he never like it his character version of the Bay movies
But he killed sentinel prime's men earlier in the movie. Some pacifist he is
Yeah, they went too far with it. They made him way more war-based.
We don't talk about that movie franchise in these parts😤
@@GOldenPROdigy115there's a difference between self defense and killing an already down enemy
@@GOldenPROdigy115Yeah, but that was years of abuse? Anybody is gonna break after a while.
Plus, he tried making good before Megatron betrayed him. That was the final straw.
Tell me you don't know Optimus Prime, without telling me you don't know Optimus Prime
@@GOldenPROdigy115 The fact that you cant tell the difference between killing in self defense vs executing a helpless enemy shows a major lack in media literacy on your part.
nah, these people have no emotion
Some people do bro🤷🏽♂️😂
I love Optimus in both the bayverse movies and in this one, but this one feels more accurate to his character for sure.
His name is OPTIMUS. He always has hope after all!
He wants to set an example for the generations to come. In the bayverse movies there is literally almost no future generations left to save.
Nah man, after the 1st movie, optimus felt like a war criminal, so gruesome and violent
Optimus in this movie would be absolutely horrified of Optimus in Bayverse.
If he’s disturbed by Megatron beating up Sentinel (he didn’t witness Megatron doing the Jazz treatment to Sentinel), imagine his reaction to the Bayverse version of himself who beheaded Bonecrusher, shot Demolisher in the head, tore Grindor’s head in half, tore off The Fallen’s face while wearing a corpse of Jetfire, Gouged the eye off Shockwave, Ripped out Megatron’s head and spine and shot Sentinel in the head. Not even Hannibal Lecter would go this far.
He has this blind optimism that other mechs admire.
Bayverse made Optimus Prime way too much of an angsty teenager imo. Like, I get the rage and anger, but everything else after the first three movies went to shit.
The only good movie that came out of Bayverse since the third movie, is the Beast wars one...
Bayverse Optimus had been through who knows how many cycles of war with the Decepticons and had seen the literal death of his planet, so I do understand the ruthlessness from the movies. Meanwhile TF One Optimus was less than 50 cycles old, basically a kid for Cybertonians.
This was a good Optimus Prime origin story.
This was a GREAT Megatron origin story.
Rt tv, I don’t like that you think Optimus was being stupid, bumblebee caught bodies for sure, but the bodies of the enemies, sentinel and his crew were working for the quintessans, so he was the enemy and megatron killing sentinel, the head of the enemy was not the way to start rebuilding Iacon, and as you saw, he started wilding out and destroying the city which could have possibly killed innocent people, the bodies bumblebee caught were guilty, the traitors of cybertron, the ones who made everyone live a lie, he has a good reason to catch bodies, megatron though, whether you’re innocent or guilty, he didn’t give a damn, exposing sentinel would have been enough to defeat sentinel and avoid unnecessary damage, but of course megatron went off the deep end, and Optimus tried to stop, Optimus’s actions were justified and make sense and so was megatron’s descent to evil
Idk how y’all don’t understand the basic principles of kill or be killed. If an active war zone of course you going to have to kill someone trying to kill you. But when someone is defenseless, begging for mercy it’s a totally different situation, ur killing someone who isn’t fighting back and has given up. It’s the equivalent to executing a prisoner after he surrendered vs killing someone trying to actively kill you
The difference is that Sentinel at his defeat was defenseless and had no more power over Cybertron. He couldn’t do anything even if he tried. Orion’s point was that starting a leadership with killing a bot sends the message that they’ll be no better and maybe even worse, and it’ll send fear that whatever bot would be next to die if they step out of line. However, if it’s started with a fair trial, it’ll show that they weren’t motivated by power but for justice, fairness, and truth. Cybertronian people could finally heal. That’s Orion’s point.
Edit: Also, the ones B killed are vehicons. Vehicons are barely more advanced than the AI we have now on Earth. They’re smart, yes, but hardly sentient and not self aware. They’re like the drones from the beginning.
Optimus just wanted Sentinel to face proper judgment for his crimes first, while Megatron wanted to execute him out of rage. Optimus saw that Megatron was slowly losing his humanity and sacrificed his life as a last-ditch effort to make his friend see reason
It's also the fact that D16 makes it sound it's personal, when it's not only him that got robbed of when a whole nation of them are there. Optimus wanted the entirety of Iacon to judge Sentinel's crime so he can face consequences, but Megatron just wanted to prove that unity doesn't come from peaceful decisions, rather than from bloodlust and rage
i dont understand why its hard to comprehend that the bots apart from Airachnid who were fighting for Sentinel were DRONES who were ojt to kill them?? Theyre mindless. Also, killing a DEFEATED Sentinel in cold blood after achieving Victory by exposing him isnt Justice, its blind Vengence and Orion didnt want that for D16. Orion was the better man in that scenario, D16 lost his better judgement...just like Sentinel
I wouldn't say they are mindless since they seem to have consciousness. Like when they got scared of bee
@@kivash-fg9vfthey have little sentience since they're obviously mass produced guards unlike the high guard which are individual bots
@@kivash-fg9vf I'm pretty sure they were alive. They at least feared for their lives when B-127 wanted to cut them. That said, there's a difference between a rank-and-file and the ringleader of a massive deception. Sadly, rich/powerful people get afforded due process while the soldier on the front lines die a forgotten death and get accused of being a mindless drone.
Those bots were 100% sentient. Them “looking identical” is not an argument against that considering half of all transformers are just recolours of pre existing characters (Bumblebee and Cliffjumper for example). They constantly emote and react to situations just like any normal Cybertronian. They’re most comparable to the Clone Troopers of Star Wars than actual mindless soldiers.
As for Dee killing Sentinel, that’s 100% justified in my books. He essentially executed Robo-Hitler. Postponing his execution wouldn’t have changed anything and imprisoning him would not be a worthier fate for someone as sick as Sentinel. He deserved what happened to him.
Optimus is not the better person. He constantly kills, along with Alita and Bee (which by the way Bee is a fucking psychopath, Optimus should not be enabling him), and instead of dismantling the system that put their people down for the last 50 or so cycles he instead just becomes the new leader of it. On the other hand Megatron was a revolutionary trying to tear down the system. I think the only thing he did that was excessive was deciding to drop Optimus down the pit (though that did result in Optimus resurrecting so it was probably the best choice coincidentally).
I stand with the Decepticons (up to this point), Optimus and the Autobots are a self righteous group of hypocrites.
@@rexcelsior5415 the clones have some levels of sentience since it makes them more effective than a mindless drone (seeing that they can react to stuff) but they are less alive than members of the high guard or other autobots. Yeah the reuse designs but they always have names & different colors to tell them apart. Like you said bumblee & cliff jumper have the same design but everything else is different from the voice to the colors to their personality. These drones look, sounds & act the same as each other. They aren’t individuals it’s not the same.
And a random nobody like D-16 can’t just kill a leader like that. It’s like when you kill a president, it’s not his place to do that. If the people of cybertron & its government want him dead than he will be executed but if they’d rather him be in prison than it’s THEIR choice. 1 transformer can’t make that kind of decision otherwise everyone will want to throw their own kind of justice everyone which is why cybertron eventually falls
And Optimus doesn’t kill defenseless transformers. There is a difference between killing someone in a fight & killing someone on the floor injured, defenseless & begging for his life
And you seriously siding with Megatron? His idea of tearing down the system is mass genocide. Killing anyone & everyone against him. He even said he tear down anyone in his way. The only people he was going to keep would be his followers which is exactly why cybertron fell. HE is the one who went too far and his system wouldn’t have worked. He’d be a dictatorship, it wouldn’t matter what anyone wants, only what
Megatron wants
I love how the comments are correcting these reactors and showing the difference between killing for survival and killing in cold blood/rage/revenge
Which are Definitively and fundamentally different
I swear people literally watched this movie with their eyes closed. D-16 is NOT a good guy. His flaws don’t lie in his ideology but his methods. YES sentinel deserves to die but the whole point of the movie is that bots like D16 had their freedom of choice stripped away and D16 is trying to make change through force. It’s literally the same thing Sentinel did. Violently ending the previous establishment and forcing the creation of a new society. He literally says earlier that he doesn’t care about sharing the truth because the people worship sentinel. It’s should be the choice of the cybertronian people whether or not sentinel gets executed and d-16 rises to power. Did you notice how Orion appeals to the downtrodden miners and Megatron appeals to the militant rebel faction with the ideal of “one bot over another”? It’s literally in your face the WHOLE movie.
As much as I wish it wasn't so, TF One really is a better movie than my beloved 86 classic. The best Transformers movie yet, and if we're lucky, it'll get the sequels it deserves :)
Both both is good.
Transformers One 🤝 Transformers The Movie 1986
For some reason most reaction channels reacted the same way with optimus being "hypocritical" with the execution. Like people dont wanna follow someone with murdering intent. Also im probably like the 100th person to say this but bumblee killed drones, there's a difference.
Judging from these I call tell the boys here missed a big part of the movie. So thanks for saving me 40 mins.
Bee killed in self defence against armed soldiers. Sentinel was defeated, weak and defenceless. Bee simply killed but what D-16 did is more so murder.
Rttv has a brain of a goddamn millipedes
@@ceetsimxio1094 Sometimes it seems so.
Killing soldiers in midst of battle and killing defenseless prisoners (e.g Sentinel) are different things.
Y’all should watch the Transformers Prime tv show. It’s actually pretty lit asf.
Is it better than this movie
@@ae8655 I don’t blame u
It’s a good show, y’all would enjoy it.
Comments section telling me all I need to know😂😂😂 They be watching with they eye closed fr
It should be obvious how braindead these clowns are, why would you expect anything good from them? Their comment section is way more entertaining
I've seen a lot of their anime reactions and I'll give maybe one or two of them credit for knowing when to shut up and take a scene in. There's emotional comprehension in there but as a whole? Fuck man. Sometimes I wonder if they were watching the same shit.
Optimus was more against killing just sentinel because it would’ve been the same thing sentinel did to the primes the act of going from one dictator to another by murdering them that’s not how Optimus wanted to start a new society to be built on, and Megatron not following ANY leader and tweaking out destroying everything and wanting to kill every follower of sentinels was crazy ngl but i also definitely see killing sentinel as Megatron I’d be mad asf too
15:39 "First thirty minutes was kids stuff." Ya can't say that while wearing a Sailor Moon shirt man 🤣
Clowns
Ngl y'all kinda slow bro not trying to be offensive but y'all gotta actually stop watch and think. There's a literal difference between killing for survival and killing someone that's defenseless
Fr.
They killed those soldiers because they didnt have a choice in battle while sentinal was already defeated and was infront of the citizens of cybertron
Starting a new age executing the previous leader and taking Cybertron’s future into your own hands forcefully through blood - sounds exactly like what Sentinel did, and what Megatron tried to do
The important distinction between Orion & co fighting versus D-16 executing Sentinel is that before, they were always on the defensive, protecting themselves or saving hostages. When D-16 killed Sentinel, however, he was already dethroned, stripped of his power, and couldn't even fight back. He had already lost.
Wait, do you five genuinely believe fighting an enemy soldier in a battle and executing an already defeated enemy in front of an entire populace are similar? My brothers in Christ, WAR and MURDER are not the same thing. I’m sorry if this sounds rude, but how can you miss the point that badly?
if you pay attention, optima's never said that he would let sentinel live, just that he doesn't need to be executed right now
*THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST TRANSFORMERS MOVIE!!!*
Everything from the stellar animation, music, the fight scenes and choreography, the story, the character arcs and fantastic voice acting was just incredible. Chris Hemsworth and Brian Tyree Henry truly blew me away, mainly because they absolutely killed it as Optimus and Megatron and brought a level of humanity to the characters as you truly understand where both of them are coming from and how much they care for each other as friends as it genuinely breaks your heart watching them fall apart. Brian Tyree Henry especially brought such a level of complex tragedy and emotional pain as D-16/Megatron that Ive never seen before when it comes to the character and honestly, he might be my new favourite take on Megatron. Usually Megatron has never been portrayed as a sympathetic villain who was a product of a corrupt system before in most media outside of the TF comics. I loved how you can see his thought process through his eyes and how he was genuinely happy being a miner and believed in the system, but after learning about the truth about Sentinel, his entire worldview shatters, and his mental state slowly collapses more and more. The moment he is mocked and tortured by Sentinel, D-16 finally has had enough, and the moment he accidentally shoots Orion, we see I'm going through a complete emotional breakdown seeing his best friend almost dead but also perceiving it as a betrayal as D-16 has always had to cover Orion and save him for all his recklessness. However, he still chooses to take the bullet because he is trying to save D-16 from making a terrible mistake, but ultimately, it is too late, and now only Megatron exists. Chris Hemsworth was also surprisingly excellent in Optimus Prime, and it really shocked me how much range he has as an actor/voice actor, as he sounded like a young Peter Cullen. I especially love his arc of growing to understand his responsibilities, and that scene where Orion inspires the miners to fight back against Sentinel was so empowering because it really shows what kind of person Orion is I love the detail of Orion kneeling down at the miners' level because, unlike Sentinel, he was one of them and saw all of them as friends and family and inspiring all of them like a good father figure, which is everything Optimus Prime should be, a noble, hopeful leader whos never afraid to be gentle or compassionate to others. The movie is also surprisingly dark, as the trailers did not do this movie justice. There are genuinely a few mature and gruesome moments that shocked me and made me question whether this was a PG movie? It may have some moments of fun and levity for kids, which is funny, but when it needs to, it knows when to take itself seriously. It knows that the audience is smart enough to understand the Transformers franchise lore, which I appreciate.
Im just disappointed with how poorly Paramount marketed this movie, as it genuinely deserved better promotion for such a great movie. The fact that one guy on Twitter single-handedly promoted the movie better than Paramount themselves and got more people to check this masterpiece is truly remarkable accomplishment. Yet, the box office has many concerned that we might not even get a sequel, which I really hope this movie does get a trilogy of Transformers animated films because there is still so much potential to dive into the Civil War of Cybertron, the Quintessons, how Cybertron ultimately collapsed from the war and explore these characters on a deeper level.
God dammit I’m seeing all the comments and preparing myself for the dumb shit they’re about to say. 😅
Me with literally all of their reactions
I'm starting to believe that people are indeed becoming less media literate and more emotional than ever now. To not understand the principles of the two at the end is wild because it was so simple. Hopefully we get smarter as time moves one though.
Orion wasn't specifically trying to save Sentinel. But he was trying to save D-16 from losing himself in his rage, anger and his burning desire for needless violence. Sentinel was defeated and defensless. He could've been simply arrested and put on trail for treason and be sentenced to death later on.
As for bee killing the soldiers, those were just drones without any spark or life. So bee gets a pass.
True.
I feel like there's a difference between killing mindless soldier drones in self-defense and executing the defenseless leader of your world in front of a public audience.
Orion knows the guy is horrible and deserves to die. But he has a point. Turning the guy into a martyr in front of everyone in Iacon was not the solution when Sentinel needed to face justice by everyone since Sentinel wronged an entire planet (and also they could've gotten intel about the Quintessons from him while imprisoned).
That and D-16. He knew D was on a downward spiral, crashing out from having his entire belief system and way of thinking uprooted in a matter of days. He knew that if D had taken that shot, there was no coming back from it.
He didn't take that shot to save Sentinel from D-16. He took that shot to save his best friend from becoming something he could never turn back from. In the end, D gave into his anger and became Megatron.
The Vehicon clones are definitely not mindless, you’d have to not be paying attention to think that. The active combat is what makes the difference. They only let Airarachnid live because they needed her and successfully captured her.
In the bay movies prime and megatron would call each other brothers/mention that they were like brothers before
They kinda did show the progression of Megatron turning throughout the movie, if you watch closely you can see his eyes go from yellow, bright orange, to red. Also solid reaction 💯
It should also be noted that all this happened to Megatron is like, less than a day. Unlike Orion, who had no regard for authority and the status quo, D-16 lived by that. Then he finds out his leader murdered his hero and the other leaders. And as that sinks in over the next few minutes, he finds out that the energon he works so hard and risks his life for was being given away to their ancestral enemies. Then he finds out that he had an "organ" removed as a "baby", and that he spent his entire life as a second class citizen/slave with limited options because of that. Oh, and later he gets brought to Sentinel where he's told he's gonna be branded as a traitor, gets punched, mocked and actually branded on the chest... then gets beaten-up/losing a fight against Sentinel, until the truth gets revealed to the public. Heck, his own best friend keeps getting in his way toward the end, he accidentally shoots his friend, who just accused him of being like Sentinel just a minute earlier. And then all the cycles of Orion getting him into trouble (against a lying system) comes bubbling up. And all this was happening in a matter of less than a day's time. D-16 never had any time to let his anger cool off. It's just one thing after another, stoking the flames of rage.
Note on trion from past stuff. He has the ability to see into the future and fans called off hints of this. From mourning for his friend to watching Orion and D talking. It’s not always accurate but he can get a idea of events to come.
So he probably knew of the ambush but not entirely sure of the outcome and he knew who Orion and D will become but not sure who would be prime. He also probably knows cybertron fate of it dying and only way to save ir is off world.
There is other primes is powers, one is vector prime. He can slip into the time steam and fans noticed his body wasn’t there in that cave. Depending on continuity vector doesn’t interfere with events so he and alpha would talk on what may happen, vector slips into the stream and watches said event. But he can interfere or he may lie on what happens.
A comment for everyone:
1. This movie is not part of the Bayverse continuity. That ended with the Last Knight.
2. This is not the original story of Transformers, it’s a retelling that is inspired by it. The original is Generation 1 continuity.
3. Trying to shoot a political opponent after they surrender in front of everyone is not the same as killing someone in the middle of combat.
4. The golden robot soldiers are not drones, they’re clones. They just don’t talk in this movie, likely for time and monetary reasons. They look to be Vehicon clones, which are sentient (they have different names, voices, etc.).
You guys only wacth bayformers and think optimus is an assassin maniac. Common bro
This Transformers movie is awesome. One of the main reasons why I like it is because it shows Optimus and Megatron were once as close as brothers before they were enemies
28:48 killing a enemy fighting you is different from killing a surrendering foe it’s not stupid at all Prime knew how bad it could lead to
So the movie is 90% canon.. like D-16 and Orion Pax being the names of Megatron and Optimus, and them being best friends (brothers from another mother 😂) is true/canon.. Megatron’s backstory can be iffy at times like most origins say that he was a miner which is how he got the name D-16 but other origins say that he was a gladiator in the arena and already had the name Megatronus.. same with Optimus where some origins like this one say that he was a miner but others say that he was a clerk working under Alpha Trion (one of the original 13 primes)..
The thing that I liked the most about this movie is the events that led into the lore such as Megatron fighting Starscream for the top spot and almost breaking his voice box led to why his voice is always raspy and why he’s always trying to take over the deceptions/take leadership or Bumblebee talking a lot/being annoying led his voice box being destroyed (in majority of the lore, it is said that Megatron destroyed Bee’s voice box when he was being interrogated but wouldn’t give up info on the Autobots or the whereabouts of Optimus)
Gladiatorship was never an official vocation- It was something Megatron did for sport, and for the needed extra credits to live off of, given that mining paid essentially indentured servant wages, *while he was a miner.* Megatron was also a poet, believe it or not, but, again- That was a hobby, and an occasional source of under-the-table income & notoriety, not an actual official vocation.
It’s sad state we are in that people think that killing the defenseless and for self defense is the same thing.
Killing necessary enemies who have weapons that can kill you and killing a target enemy that influences the decision of Iacon City's revolution is different, these drones have no effect on the overall change in the city of Iacon as much as a kill sentinel, and you call orion pax dumb? you all never notice why he doing that.
These guys don’t understand Transformers
I mean...they were exposed to the bayverse films first which don't represent the franchise properly so...what did you expect
@@Kaiju-bm4ts I swear the Bayverse made people dumber.
2:44🤣😂🤣😂that’s funny as hell.
The reactions of this movie really show what kind of ppl some of yall are fr. Ive seen sl very few people actually understand Optimus in any capacity and its just sad.
The entire racing sequence is my absolute favorite part of this movie. It's like a Cybertronian version of Nascar!🏎🏍🏁
Fun fact: Transformers veteran and VA Steve Blum made cameo as the Iacon 5,000 Race Announcer.
yall miss the point big time
You know, the sad thing about seeing all of these comments is knowing that these guys likely won't read them and even if they do read them they likely won't listen or pay attention and will continue to be as clueless as ever. I've given these guys the benefit of the doubt several times, but overtime the more annoying and dumb they've been getting during these reactions, the harder it was to keep doing that. I was genuinely excited to see this reaction, but after reading the comments and seeing the reaction for myself, I am disappointed. This is the first time I've actually disliked one of their videos. I think I won't be watching their movie/show reactions anymore, it probably won't be forever, but it'll definitely be a long while before I watch another one these. Orion Pax/Optimus Prime is not an idiot, these guys are the idiots. That is all.
As a Transformers fan since G1 and the 90’s era, this movie makes me really happy to see Elita One get more focused and action. Scarlet Johansson fits perfectly for the character like she did with Black widow.
I hope our favorite female Autobot lives longer in surviving the upcoming Autobot-Decepticon Civil War in future sequels. The only animated show where Elita one I know alive with Optimus Prime is in Earthspark. None of us want Orion/Optimus to suffered like he is in Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy Netflix series.
Bumblebee wasn't killing Transformers.He was killing the aliens that the dude sided with.
Damn, ya’ll made me really dislike you and your whole channel with how brain dead you were in comparing Orion killing someone in self-defence in the middle of an active war zone and a defeated, defenceless enemy who’d already surrendered.
"We cannot start this with an execution" and yall responses to 'that don make no sense what' and 'bro bee was literally killing' are 2 very different instances. Like Bee was excited and fighting back soldiers who were fighting him, Sentinel was down, he was defeated, and killing him, would only prove that the new Icaron they would rebuild would be built upon the image of someone defenseless being mercilessly killed. Like if they did make peace then, if they had banished him or jailed him, then the new Icaron would be built on the foundations of communication and striving for peace. Neither wanted war but D-16 was so blinded by his hatred and "weakness" for being manipulated his whole life, that he decided that no one would make him feel that way again, meaning that he cannot be "weak" again, meaning he cannot be at peace, again. Killing a defenseless opponent is never the right option, if your being shot at, mercy is a bit impossible.
Bee: "i get to work for the government!"
bros ass is not working
Understanding Megatron is alright. But thinking he's right in what he did!? Yeah, never cook again
Yeah, at that point , um no. Saying Megatron's logic is right, in what he's doing brutally? Crazy speech..
Jeez this y I somtimes don't like ur reactions lmao u guys still have good reactions but it's just sometimes u guys just don't get it
Y'all gotta understand Orion/Prime wanted to stop D-16/Megatron from killing Sentinel because he saw him filled with _hate_ . Bumble Bee and everyone else he knew killing their enemies was different because they fought for more than themselves.
But Orion saw his best friend succumbing to a darker, blood lust filled mindset, and he didn't want him to embrace that. Megatron was filled with power and anger, and he let himself be guided by hate and superiority, not nobility and heroism. He wanted to kill because _he_ was hurting, not because everyone else was.
Also there's a big difference between killing people who are constantly trying to kill YOU on a battlefield, and actively hunting down someone and wanting to make them suffer even when they're defenseless and already defeated. Morally speaking, that's not good, and can fester into something worse, which it did for Megatron. He was so caught up in his hatred that he was willing to destroy his closest friend.
Brian Tyree Henry really out did himself with his incredible performance and his deep understanding of Megatron since always wanted to play the villains. Every villain is a hero of his and her own Story.
D-16 is not only a product of Cybertron’s corrupted system and takes on Sentinel Prime’s oppression though violent means all the social injustices he had experiences forged his transcendence into Megatron and building up to a rivalry with Orion turned Optimus Prime (due to wanting the same goal of a unified Cybertron but have different viewpoints).
But their friendship is doomed since they discovered that shocking realization their leader Sentinel Prime had sold out Cybertron to the Quintessons after betraying his fellow Prime brothers and sisters, and ruled his planet through oppression. D-16 has put too much faith in the system he has held on to until his worldview was shattered that boils up to anger and a personal vengeance after being suffered of the social injustices while Orion still kept his optimism by exposing the truth of Sentinel's corruption.
This what makes D-16 a much more of a compelling hero-turned-villain and tragic character in Transformers history. And the rift between two brothers. Both D-16 and Orion really wanted a unified Cybertron but each have different ways to bringing it into fruition.
Self-Defence and Execution are not the same thing
Transformers one is definitely one of the best films of the entire franchise. It’s kinda like the prince of Egypt but if everyone were robots. But I’m hoping this movie does well, because they actually planned out a trilogy for this.
Also, This movie is probably the closest will get to a non avengers team up between Thor and black widow.
Man, I hope this movie gets a sequel it is so nice to see a TF movie that actually has touches of comic refs and other media. 😤 The IDW comics have so much good material.
Can't wait for them to use some of the couples from the IDW comics, it's gonna make so many homophobes so mad and I'm here for it😂(the chaos I mean, not the homophobia)
@@abluerainbow dare we hope for Lug and Anode from MTMTE
We should require media literacy courses in high school
44:25 lmaoooo y’all are hilarious 😂
I onced liked looking up these guys videos, but they always shown me how dense they can be in understanding movie plot. Theyre the worst kind of "i only liked the movie cause theres death in it, what is a plot?" Ahh watchers. Trash takes all the way 😂
Megatron - "we were brothers once"
Optimus Prime - "Once"
Transformers The Last Knight
"You'll never stop at one" this movie gives more meaning to that line
You guys are sociopaths 😭
Orion didn't stop D frim killing sentinel to save sentinel, He stopped D-16 so he wouldn't lose him to the darkness. he knew D was going to the point of no return and wanted to stop him before it happened, unfortunately, it failed.
Also they did show his descent into madness, D-16s eyes went from Yellow to Orange to Red throughout the movie.
Awh fellas, think it through, just a lil'
Some of the lore in this movie like the 13 Primes comes from Transformers Prime and we did see them in Revenge of the Fallen. Because The Fallen original name was Megatronus and Alpha Trion, in the allyned continuety lore and TF Prime, was Optimus mentor when he was Orion Pax
Ending tyranny with another tyranny won't end anything. You're just continuing the cycle.
Bros, preventing a cold blooded execution is WAY different than fighting back against soldiers fighting you.
Orion was trying prevent D-16 from executing an already defeated enemy because he had already lost. Orion wanted proper justice.
Megatron saying "We were brothers once"
And Optimus replying with "once..."
Has so much more meaning in the previous movies
The reason Orion had a problem with D-16's attempted murder of Sentinel is because it's a public execution which publicly portrays D-16 as a bloodthirsty murderer and he didn't want people to think of him in that way, he didn't want to think of him that way. One could argue that the people praised him for killing sentinel but the ones present at the monument do not speak for the entirety of Iacon. His fellow miners would change their view of him. Orion didn't have a problem with B-127 cutting up Sentinel's guard because they were armed and were actively attacking them, Sentinel was helpless and severely injured. He also tried to stop him to prevent him from giving in to his rage as we see, he becomes a nigh unstoppable force when he becomes vengeful.
It wasn't about Sentinel, it was about D-16. Sentinel did deserve retribution, but Orion saw the darkness, the hatred, building up within his friend. He wasn't trying to save Sentinel from D-16: he was trying to save D-16 from himself.
Megatron is a GREAT example of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. He loved Sentinel Prime and believed everything he said, but once he found out the truth he was filled with hatred and anger with no mercy. Megatron only saw black and white. Optimus was literally the optimist the whole movie, and tried to stop Megatron because he knew he was losing himself in anger. I’m ready for the second one 😍♥️
They should really watch tfp to get more nuanced tf knowledge than just bayverse😅😅
28:08
It was quite literally a life or death situation between Bee and Sentinel’s soldiers. Sentinel being at Megatron’s mercy is a completely different thing.
Killing sentinel is ok it’s about the precedent it leaves for a better world, not killing in this case is not just about kindness , it’s about creating a new era and it takes a lot to calm down , wayy more strength than it takes to pull the trigger
I’m sure that Megatron’s “rapid” development happened because the studio wasn’t counting too much on a sequel.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS BRO
Maybe you guys should be watched the movie, lol
The revenge megatron wanted wasn’t only his to take let’s keep that in mind
For rhe life of me i can't find any good transformer One reactions
If you're wondering why all of the reactions lack that OOMF, it's because nobody sits in the middle. You either have overly enthusiastic viewers who "cheer" at the movie when Bumblebee or Optimus does anything remotely 'cool', or viewers who don't know anything about Transformers and can't be bothered to apply themselves, but rather, choose to go "BIG ROBOT GO BANG-BANG" and that's it.
Transformers is the perfect illuminator of people's IQ. The switch-up between Bayverse to Bumblebee, then to TFOne is so polarizing that it's like cold-shock to people's brains.
Is people's moral compass so flawed nowadays that they just never seem to actually understand what the guy means when he says "don't be like x(Person who is bad)" anymore?
Every reactor I've watched seems to need to visit a fucking ethics class a few times... or learn what "media literacy" means.
Transformers dark of the moon is my favorite movie ever but Transformers One is my favorite Transformers movie
I went into this movie as a time kill at the movies its now one of my favorite movies
2:42😂😂 ,5:14, 7:25😂😂, 8:48, 9:24
I'm happy more people are seeing how good this movie is.
Transformers One need Sequel.
The Wild Robot need win Oscar.
Gundam Seed Freedom need to the end by trilogy.