He gets questioned by the police he says he dumped her OD body in the river and no charges? Possessing cocaine, disposing of a dead body, failure to contact emergency services ? Weak cops.
Totally insane! Law enforcement in North / South Carolina is warped. Those making the law seem to be criminals because the way they decide law is designed to protect criminals.
I don't understand: 1) how they call him baby face when he is not baby faced. 2) on the first missing girl, jamie, he said she overdosed and he admitted throwing her in the lake and they released him. Although they couldn't locate the body he could have been held and prosecuted for disposing a body. 3) he has been on death row for 20 yrs and there is no date set for execution. Why?
Sentenced to death in North Carolina on October 6, 1995....what is the fkn point of the death penalty when it takes so fkn long to be carried out? 28 years so far? PATHETIC
@@janpierzchala2004 Well, 29 years of agony with no real friends and 24/7 surveillance takes a toll on you. But in a way when the day comes they may as well be relieved.
That's the US for you. Everywhere else that has/had the death penalty carries it out quickly. The US has like a million appeals that have to be exhausted.
People thought the same thing in 1989 when Ted Bundy was put to death and he was only on Death Row for almost 10 years. Now it's 20+ years before they are put to death if they don't die waiting on death row.
Family members know their loved ones best...and their routine..So if Police are told by family"My loved one is missing" They better take it very damn serious..I hate when police say "Oh they probably ran away" or "You need to wait 72 hours" That's bullshit
Thankfully, some states are beginning to effect change when it comes to a family's report of a missing member ~ because of these horrible misjudgements that COULD have saved lives, had investigations been started when the initial report was made.
@user-eo2de4sm8v It’s amazing you are 100% correct BUT if you wait knowing they will tell you to wait then they make accusations if you wait 24hrs that you had something to do with it OR like Doug Detrie’s situation he waiting 16 hours and they ended up falsely charging him
@@JessLBreen That's right...I saw an episode where the Dad solved the murder of his own daughter and police said "We found her" Police wanted the credit
I was 14 said I was 16 to get into nursing I remember Matron drumming into us with the mental health patients some very dangerous DON'T LOOK FOR A CONSCIENCE WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE In other words don't let your guard down no matter how good looking or sweet talking they are thank goodness things have changed a bit in 50yrs but the criminal's are still the same
They are demon possessed: either they were born like that or they've been abused as children: so the demons from their tormentors/torturors: then inhabit them!!!
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Yes: we can still show kindness & compassion for their awful predicaments: but always be on your guard as they are demon possessed, possibly psychopathic and very unpredictable!!! So we don't know what caused them to be like that!!?? But it usually comes from horrendous, horrific abuse in childhood!!! They have usually been horribly abused as children and the demons from their abusers then go into the children or they've inherited demons: ie: "Generational Curses!!!
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 They need strong DELIVERANCE from the insane demons inhabiting them: then they are gloriously set FREE from vile bondage in Jesus Name!!! This has been going on since Bible Times up until nowadays!!! Read the story of "THE MAD MAN OF GADARRA": in the Bible: who had many demons in him: so he was completely insane: but Jesus set him gloriously free!!!
Lady said dumped in the river like a dog ?????? If someone is the type to do an animal like that then they too belong in jail not a good choice of words
To the lady in the opening comments, no living thing should be dumped in a river, dogs/animals aren't as disturbed as the human form monsters out there. I am so tired of hearing comments like "thrown away like a dog" or "treated like an animal". They certainly don't deserve to be mistreated any more than human beings. Time for that analogy to go.
Had the brother, estranged wife and the girlfriend spoken up sooner it could have saved lives…unbelievable that they said nothing!! Who knows how many more he killed…may they all RIP ❤and the families find some comfort in the fact that he is locked up and on death row…
Two witnesses, his brother who helps Lesley Warren, dispose of the poor victims body in the river, and his estranged wife, Tracey, and neither one of them tells the cops?! How did they sleep at night and live their lives as normal, knowing Lesley had murdered those innocent women?! Hell no, if it was me, I would have contacted the cops immediately. It's the right thing to do. Those victims needed justice to be served and their loved ones needed closure and justice too.
@@wolfesound They are cowards, but they need to 'watch their own backs' also, if they believe the authorities are not going to 'cover' them if they 'snitch' (?)
@@saomychau7010 "Those who live by the sword: will die by the sword": Bible Truth!!! Ie: "as ye sow: so shall ye reap": in todays vernacular: "what goes around..."!!!
@@BiancaWaites And she may as well have had a skeleton or two in her closet. At some point she was his casual mistress, imagine the pillow talk and the potential of shared experience. This woman looked like a "troubled soul" to me too. For whatever that means.
I don't understand why we as tax payers have to keep this trash alive so long, there's no doubt about who did it and why make the families of these women suffer so long? They have their daughters murdered and to top it off they have to keep this monster alive through their tax dollars?!
No offense to the women who said this but... Why do people say things like, "She was thrown into the river like a dog!!" or "He was left to die like a dog in a pile of trash.". I get the point they are trying to make, but when in history did humans treat their animals like that?!! Or when did we start saying these phrases? Cause it needs to STOP !!! It just sounds so wrong to me!!!
It’s actually only fairly recently that the West has been kind to dogs, say in the last 100 years, and in Eastern culture they do still treat dogs like trash.
People treated the newborns of slave women worse.. ripped out the belly and their tiny little skulls smashed with a rock...but yea🙄 A DOG.... Sounds about..
@@ytallowskids2seedepravityb219 Many depravities happened in the history. It doesn't make it OK to treat animals badly, or tolerate it! On contrary, with regard to all the atrocities people have done in the past it's only correct to demand better!
Everyone is commenting about the dog “expression” but I see little compassion for the “actual victims”. It’s an old expression because people still do this with unwanted cats and dogs. It’s was never seen as something okay to do.
@LeeGordon-fp9zf you're the first person to make sense in the comments. Everyone is too sensitive nowadays. They can't distinguish between old sayings and reality. Woke morons!
@@MegaMARLEEN1 he literally said that it wasn't ok in his comment......he never stated that dumping dogs or cats was ok. He was saying that it's a " old saying" people used back in the day. Ugh
I agree with you 🐕 ❤️ However back in the day,in Ireland anyway where the dogs and cats roamed free,it was a common occurrence to see your dad or uncle carrying away a bag of newborn pups or kittens to drown them in the river 😞 it had to be done apparently 🤷🏼♀️
Just cos someone has a baby face, does not mean he is as innocent as a baby. You never know what's going on in an evil mind, especially when they're alone at night. Never judge a book by its cover.
His ability to be so disconnected from the crimes proves to me that he's a homicidal psychopath. They should have executed him using blowtorches, until he died in agony several hours later.
Unfortunately many people do this. So the expression is valid. It doesn’t condone throwing the animal in the river, it’s seen as mistreating it. Only lowlifes would do such a thing.
It really bugs me when people use dogs as references to crazy things. Like the lady saying "she was dumped in the river like a dog" Well i dont know about you but i dont dump dogs in the river.
NO he should have been taken out behind the court house and Disposed of then and there. just one .75 cent bullet would have ended it all, now he is breathing our air and costing the Tax payer thousands of dollars per year.
I understand what you are saying. But he deserves the death penalty. Patsy Vineyard is my daughter in law maternal aunt. Her sister and brother have to live the rest of their lives grieving for their lost sister. I may be wrong for wanting his death but Patsy and the other 3 ladies didn't deserve to die by his hands
They found her purse and bed sheet from her home in his van..She's gone missing..He was the last person at her home..And he is set free because they don't have enough evidence?!!..What kind of incompetent cop work was that?!...Oh wait..they need to have a body....🤦🏾
@jennyjames5658 The same cops that responded to the Uvalda Elementary School Shooting! I feel like the levels of botch by the cops could had a very different outcome, w/o this dudes help (the defendant)he could had walked. He solved it and convicted himself so he should be waiting on his w•2 From LE since he did all the work that got him convicted …this world 🤦🏼♀️
@@speedingatheist stereotypes only exist because they are fundamental true. That’s how they became stereotypes in the first place. You might not like the idea but that doesn’t change the veracity of them. I love it when quasi intellectuals denegrate the use of stereotypes without any understanding of what they are or how they came to be.
@@birgittabirgersdatter8082 do intellectuals like yourself always copy and paste from the first post the internet gives you? guess that takes a special kind of intellectual one that attacks another as if you are superior to them.
Lady, did you just say: "She was dumped to the river like a dog."? 0:26 Do you normally dump dogs to the river? Why should it be OK to dump a dog to the river? Why even say such a terrible thing? People are often surprised when somebody treats somebody else badly. Guess what?! It starts with animals!
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree and @Kyra where I come from, it's normal to throw dead animals, (pets, farm animals, and wild animals) to the river or any bodies of water. But this is only common in rural areas in the Philippines. It was only a few years ago that people started burying dead animals as organic fertilizer. Just sharing. But I'm guessing it would be horrible in America to do something like this.
It always irks me how the police tell future serial killers about the psychological tricks they used to extract a confession, rendering them unable to use that useful ruse again.
That is so far from the truth. There is so many different traits and patterns etc. No way one person could possibly learn all traits and patterns. Movies make it seem more glamorous then it really is
@@AllTheCritters Yes, but even if not, a "regular murderer" or any other type of perpetrator mustn't be informed either. So I don't know what you are laughing about.
He has been on death row for 30 years in North Carolina. The last person to be executed in North Carolina was Samuel Flippen, who was put to death on August 18, 2006. Since that time, there has been a de facto moratorium on executions, as a result of several related challenges to the death penalty system, some of which have now been resolved. It is unknown if they will execute anyone in the coming years.
The police didn't suspect him when 1st questioned. He didn't seem like a bad guy. I hope the conversation is raised with people you know that are very trusting, caring and kind like Jamie was. Sociopaths have dead cold stares even when they smile.
I just wonder why people never lock their doors, It seems a simple precautionary action and a natural thing to do. You wouldn;t want people coming into your house freely, would you? 12:21 dogs are dumped in the river, really? In my country there are crematories for dead pets.
We have crematoriums for pets here too, as well as cemeteries for pets only. Times have changed, and depends on where you lived, but years ago where I live, few people locked their doors, though it's always been the smart thing to do, as well as having guns at hand.
That's what always shocks me about many of these cases. Just how naïve and sheltered can a person be to leave their doors unlocked. Insane. They've always been kept closed for at least a few centuries in my country.
@@Alex-mc5yn in the rural area where I live, and I am 59 years old now, and when I was young, we sometimes left our doors unlocked, or our windows open at night for the cool air. However, my Daddy was well-known in the area as someone not to mess around with, and he was also known to have guns and always had one close by and wouldn't hesitate to shoot somebody to defend his family if they broke in, or even if they were on the property attempting to steal something. Things are very different in these times, and of course he's passed away now, but my husband and I live in my home place, but we both always have guns nearby. In the daytime though, we sometimes leave the main door open and have the storm door closed of course.
Where is the lie here?! Dogs inherently have more "goodness" in them than 90% of the human population. Their love & loyalty is the ONLY TRULY unconditional love that exists in the world. They should be calling the bad people what they are.... Beasts & monsters, all of them.
In a prison industrial complex they are called clients because they make the prison owner money. The system is effed up. When you're on social welfare or with the IRS they also call you client. At least in my corrupt country.
Bill Gates has always been a crooked liar, he stole Microsoft from his buddies the software was not his invention, his only doing was selling it to the public, he's a very good CON man.
“Dumped in a river like a dog”. Doesn’t say much for the world we live in. What evilness to other animals as some how different? Don’t they feel and love as we do. Easy to destroy life, but you cannot make it.
@00:30 she says dumped in a river like a dog. I didn't know people dumped dogs in rivers, anymore.... You know, not since the SPCA was around to take unwanted pets. Even dogs!
My ex MONSTER was great looking.He was wealthy and popular.He was according to everyone THE PERFECT CATCH.He is now in prison for life for leaving me for dead and unrecognizable.Women should never think that a monster looks like a monster.They rarely do.Prince Charming more often than not looks like Ted Bundy and think like Ted Bundy.
The last scene where the woman wearing the murder victim's ring ( given to her with a confession) says how thankful she is that he was finally caught and convicted ??????! I thought withholding evidence was a criminal crime
I enjoy watching this crime series, I am so intrigued by how the detectives solved every crime case with determination to bring justice to the grieving families who lose their loved ones. 👍
"dumped in a river like a dog" 🙁 🤔 damn. who does that to dogs? Like where is that woman from.... to where that's become an expression that she uses ???
So, in North Carolina they "dump dogs in rivers" ? assumably dead dogs...they throw them in the river to the alligators instead of burying their pet dogs 🤷🤦
I think we’re people fail to realize is that the psyche involved here is something completely apart from what you know, he is just crazy so why you would expect him to have any particular reaction other than some random one that he should choose, I don’t understand quite frankly. I wouldn’t expect him to have any particular personality traits until I did a psychiatric exam or an observation of some sort
1990 - North Carolina - Jamie Hurley failed to report to work and Leslie Warren was a good looking young man. Welma Grey a singer too had disappeared earlier as well as two other women.
Your estranged husband gives you a ring that belonged to a woman he says he killed at the request of her husband and you still go ahead and wear it?! ugh
Praying that all serual killers be found out and brought to justice. In the Holy name of Yeshua. Amen. Thank you for posting this. You know there was another baby faced killer back in the 20s and 30s. I think is was. Baby face Nelson a mobster. God bless
11:30ish What do you mean, you can't hold him for long... He's just admitted to dumping her body in the river... Wowser that's at least mistreatment of a cadaver for starters, what are you talking nonsense for, ridiculous coming from a copper as well 🙄 tsk tsk
$1000 isn't a bond. It's an insult to the victims and their families, and a danger to the population. Back then it would also have been an invite to steal the identity of a dead person and go on the run, which many did.
I hate when they try to blame their childhood and their parents for the crimes they commit , they make it look like if the solution for crime is to kill all criminals and all their descendants. They are the very same people that say that no child should be blamed for the crimes committed by their progenitors.
When professionals responsible for catching murderers, serial killers, say that "he seemed nice"...."he had a nice baby face"....etc etc etc.. U know we live in a doomed world ! If these MFs can so easily "fool" these professionals, then where is the chance/hope for the mostly unsuspecting, "naive" public. Lol. Take care of urself people. Be responsible for your own safety... As much as logically possible. DON'T be too trusting.
Imagine the cost of his stay all this time excluding legal representation? This is the reason you never judge a book by its cover, good looking is an exterior attribute, it’s what’s on the inside. Facade, like a smart looking car then to find it has no engine.
So the family is worried something bad happened to her, basically figuring her place was a crime scene. So let's just live in here for the next couple of days completely destroying the scene. Smart.
What brought tears to my eyes was the brother wanted to confront the killer and until the interview, which I assume a long while later, the pain was still so obvious in his eyes. The death is not as sad as thinking about our loved ones suffering after our death.
An insane cost - to lives, police force energy, tax payers money! All because there was no body to be found to detain him! That really is crazy! It ought to be that as long as a a person is still missing, the chief suspect ought to be detained. Perhaps treated ‘generously’ as they haven’t been found guilty. The law on this needs a huge adjustment.
That ex girlfriend is such a bad person. She saw him with blood on his hands and did not think to report him to the police at all. She could have saved more women from dying.
They interrogate you for several reasons, even though they do have enough evidence to convict you. If you can't figure out why, then you don't know much about criminals and the justice system.
He gets questioned by the police he says he dumped her OD body in the river and no charges? Possessing cocaine, disposing of a dead body, failure to contact emergency services ? Weak cops.
THIS! That was the question that stayed with me throughout the whole programme - I couldn't believe it.
Totally insane! Law enforcement in North / South Carolina is warped. Those making the law seem to be criminals because the way they decide law is designed to protect criminals.
He was charged and was bonded out. That's not the cops. That would be the judge.
It's the district attorneys.
Our Judicial system isn't broke! It's shattered!!! 🤬💯😡
I don't understand:
1) how they call him baby face when he is not baby faced.
2) on the first missing girl, jamie, he said she overdosed and he admitted throwing her in the lake and they released him. Although they couldn't locate the body he could have been held and prosecuted for disposing a body.
3) he has been on death row for 20 yrs and there is no date set for execution. Why?
So many of them sit 20 yrs -it is sickening
You know that the man in the video is an actor doing a reconstruction?
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree
I'm aware of that.
I googled to see the real criminal.
Moth's Mummy: Obviously!!!
WOW!!! He's an absolute psychopath: just look at his photo: very sinister!!!
“Troubled soul” is a nice way of saying he was an evil basted!
I thought the same thing. Why do ppl think evil kid, evil teen good and upright grown up?? This is childish.
Just like free spirit = thirsty gurl
The thumbnails are always way off
Troo x
Exactly.
Sentenced to death in North Carolina on October 6, 1995....what is the fkn point of the death penalty when it takes so fkn long to be carried out? 28 years so far? PATHETIC
True, when they are executed only when reaching retirement age not much was taken from them ah
@@janpierzchala2004 Well, 29 years of agony with no real friends and 24/7 surveillance takes a toll on you. But in a way when the day comes they may as well be relieved.
So they can make big money from tax payers
That's the US for you. Everywhere else that has/had the death penalty carries it out quickly. The US has like a million appeals that have to be exhausted.
People thought the same thing in 1989 when Ted Bundy was put to death and he was only on Death Row for almost 10 years. Now it's 20+ years before they are put to death if they don't die waiting on death row.
Family members know their loved ones best...and their routine..So if Police are told by family"My loved one is missing" They better take it very damn serious..I hate when police say "Oh they probably ran away" or "You need to wait 72 hours" That's bullshit
Right
Thankfully, some states are beginning to effect change when it comes to a family's report of a missing member ~ because of these horrible misjudgements that COULD have saved lives, had investigations been started when the initial report was made.
Absolutely right.
@user-eo2de4sm8v It’s amazing you are 100% correct BUT if you wait knowing they will tell you to wait then they make accusations if you wait 24hrs that you had something to do with it OR like Doug Detrie’s situation he waiting 16 hours and they ended up falsely charging him
@@JessLBreen That's right...I saw an episode where the Dad solved the murder of his own daughter and police said "We found her" Police wanted the credit
29 years later and he's still alive?? What a joke!
Fr like literally wtf omg 🙏
Stock money...privatized prison
WHAT!?!? Aileen Wournos was killed 12 years after being on death row, 😲 u freaking believable
Exactly
Thats where our hard earned tax dollars are going. Keeping this pos human being alive. Smh
I was 14 said I was 16 to get into nursing I remember Matron drumming into us with the mental health patients some very dangerous DON'T LOOK FOR A CONSCIENCE WHERE THERE ISN'T ONE
In other words don't let your guard down no matter how good looking or sweet talking they are thank goodness things have changed a bit in 50yrs but the criminal's are still the same
Yet now people are told they must be inclusive and understanding of these types of people.
They are demon possessed: either they were born like that or they've been abused as children: so the demons from their tormentors/torturors: then inhabit them!!!
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! Psychopaths are unpredictable!!!
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Yes: we can still show kindness & compassion for their awful predicaments: but always be on your guard as they are demon possessed, possibly psychopathic and very unpredictable!!! So we don't know what caused them to be like that!!?? But it usually comes from horrendous, horrific abuse in childhood!!! They have usually been horribly abused as children and the demons from their abusers then go into the children or they've inherited demons: ie: "Generational Curses!!!
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 They need strong DELIVERANCE from the insane demons inhabiting them: then they are gloriously set FREE from vile bondage in Jesus Name!!! This has been going on since Bible Times up until nowadays!!! Read the story of "THE MAD MAN OF GADARRA": in the Bible: who had many demons in him: so he was completely insane: but Jesus set him gloriously free!!!
Lady said dumped in the river like a dog ?????? If someone is the type to do an animal like that then they too belong in jail not a good choice of words
Exactly!
This☝️is true!🙏Amen
I know, that's what I said, she doesn't like dogs?, wtf
I always think that! What kind of psycho old lady thinks its ok to dump a dog in the river?????
I think its just a saying like, "He talked to her like a dog". Doesn't mean they don't like dogs or would treat a dog that way. Most people wouldn't.
To the lady in the opening comments, no living thing should be dumped in a river, dogs/animals aren't as disturbed as the human form monsters out there. I am so tired of hearing comments like "thrown away like a dog" or "treated like an animal". They certainly don't deserve to be mistreated any more than human beings. Time for that analogy to go.
I was going to make a similar comment! Dogs should not get dumped in the river either.
Seriously. Shut up.
I thought the same thing.
So did I.. Animals are more loyal than humans
Never thought of it that way before .. But yea, I totally agree!!
Thank you for showing me that perspective... 😊❤
Had the brother, estranged wife and the girlfriend spoken up sooner it could have saved lives…unbelievable that they said nothing!! Who knows how many more he killed…may they all RIP ❤and the families find some comfort in the fact that he is locked up and on death row…
Two witnesses, his brother who helps Lesley Warren, dispose of the poor victims body in the river, and his estranged wife, Tracey, and neither one of them tells the cops?! How did they sleep at night and live their lives as normal, knowing Lesley had murdered those innocent women?! Hell no, if it was me, I would have contacted the cops immediately. It's the right thing to do. Those victims needed justice to be served and their loved ones needed closure and justice too.
Snitches get stitches lol
What's wrong with his friends, right. Maybe they were just as evil.
not to mention prevent more murders... some people are disgusting cowards.
@@wolfesound They are cowards, but they need to 'watch their own backs' also, if they believe the authorities are not going to 'cover' them if they 'snitch' (?)
@@saomychau7010 "Those who live by the sword: will die by the sword": Bible Truth!!! Ie: "as ye sow: so shall ye reap": in todays vernacular: "what goes around..."!!!
Why didn't the girlfriend call the cops when he shows up with blood on his hands?!?
She was scared of him
@@BiancaWaites And she may as well have had a skeleton or two in her closet. At some point she was his casual mistress, imagine the pillow talk and the potential of shared experience. This woman looked like a "troubled soul" to me too. For whatever that means.
@@PianoGesangshe knows everything
@@PianoGesang “looks like a troubles soul”. This is how I know you’re a ridiculous person.
Abuse of a Corpse must not have been a thing back then? They should have held him when he admitted to dumping her in the river until they found her!
Why keep him alive so long? The US Justice system is crazy! No offense!
You use "no offense" after you post an offensive statement. Yes, you absolutely meant to offend.
@@lindadavis5668 I don't think it was offensive, it is pretty accurate though. If there is no doubt, why is he still alive?
I don't understand why we as tax payers have to keep this trash alive so long, there's no doubt about who did it and why make the families of these women suffer so long? They have their daughters murdered and to top it off they have to keep this monster alive through their tax dollars?!
It’s kinda weird when the people say “this is the kinda place where people don’t lock there’re doors”.. And now we’re watching this…
F-That. "No offense?" B.S. How about 5 years max wait?!
“Like a dog”? What kind of sick fuxx treats a dog like that as well?
Just an expression
Quite sure it was a passing remark and she didn't mean it but I found that odd and off too.
It's an expression that people used to use before the worship of dogs and animals.
@@TheSouthernLady777 I like your comment. Well observed.
I think she meant like a dead dog
I would never cover up a murder for anyone. If someone I know can do that then I don't want tolnow them.Including family.
No offense to the women who said this but... Why do people say things like, "She was thrown into the river like a dog!!" or "He was left to die like a dog in a pile of trash.". I get the point they are trying to make, but when in history did humans treat their animals like that?!! Or when did we start saying these phrases? Cause it needs to STOP !!! It just sounds so wrong to me!!!
It’s actually only fairly recently that the West has been kind to dogs, say in the last 100 years, and in Eastern culture they do still treat dogs like trash.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree i just can't imagine not treating any living breathing creature without love & kindness
People treated the newborns of slave women worse.. ripped out the belly and their tiny little skulls smashed with a rock...but yea🙄 A DOG....
Sounds about..
AGREED 💯%
@@ytallowskids2seedepravityb219 Many depravities happened in the history. It doesn't make it OK to treat animals badly, or tolerate it! On contrary, with regard to all the atrocities people have done in the past it's only correct to demand better!
Everyone is commenting about the dog “expression” but I see little compassion for the “actual victims”. It’s an old expression because people still do this with unwanted cats and dogs. It’s was never seen as something okay to do.
And it isn't OK at all, and shouldn't be OK,just like for humans.
@MegaMARLEEN1 Just stop. Some Asians still eat cats and dogs. The French eat horse. What about the feelings of our cows, sheep, lamb, chickens, etc?
@LeeGordon-fp9zf you're the first person to make sense in the comments. Everyone is too sensitive nowadays. They can't distinguish between old sayings and reality. Woke morons!
@@StevieObieYT 😀
@@MegaMARLEEN1 he literally said that it wasn't ok in his comment......he never stated that dumping dogs or cats was ok. He was saying that it's a " old saying" people used back in the day. Ugh
Dumped in the river “like a dog”- who dumps their dog in the river?
She should have said "Dumped in the river like a piece of trash". I would never dump a dog or a cat in a river!
@@jamesasmus325....or any creature.....just Evil People 😊
I agree with you 🐕 ❤️
However back in the day,in Ireland anyway where the dogs and cats roamed free,it was a common occurrence to see your dad or uncle carrying away a bag of newborn pups or kittens to drown them in the river 😞 it had to be done apparently 🤷🏼♀️
That’s where the expression comes from
Yeah, that made me feel some kinda way too. Not a good example to use in a situation like this...😕
so they spent the first 3 days contaminating a crime scene? Just because it looks clean and tidy doesn't mean there isn't evidence.
Ideally, that would be fine, but that would only lead to him being paroled to kill again. Better off executed and dead.
Just cos someone has a baby face, does not mean he is as innocent as a baby. You never know what's going on in an evil mind, especially when they're alone at night. Never judge a book by its cover.
His ability to be so disconnected from the crimes proves to me that he's a homicidal psychopath. They should have executed him using blowtorches, until he died in agony several hours later.
@Donnell Okafor Yup and he is perfectly within his right to do so. Sometimes the obvious needs stating. 😛
They said Ted Bundy was handsome and look what he did
@@jewelcopeland8440 And Jeffrey Dahmer
Well said!!!
I wouldn't dump a dog in a river.
Fkn THANK YOU❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Me neither ....
Unfortunately many people do this. So the expression is valid. It doesn’t condone throwing the animal in the river, it’s seen as mistreating it. Only lowlifes would do such a thing.
I am ashamed to say I would be as concerned about a discarded cat .Probably more so as I couldn't view anything showing animal cruelty.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
It really bugs me when people use dogs as references to crazy things.
Like the lady saying "she was dumped in the river like a dog"
Well i dont know about you but i dont dump dogs in the river.
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Exactly!
Thats a disgusting discription or sickeing use of a beautiful animal lik a dog.
@@franhull6945 i agree
Yes, had the same thought. Disgusting.
He wasn't a man he was a coward he should had gotten life without parole so he could suffer all those years in prison prayers for the families
NO he should have been taken out behind the court house and Disposed of then and there. just one .75 cent bullet would have ended it all, now he is breathing our air and costing the Tax payer thousands of dollars per year.
I understand what you are saying. But he deserves the death penalty. Patsy Vineyard is my daughter in law maternal aunt. Her sister and brother have to live the rest of their lives grieving for their lost sister. I may be wrong for wanting his death but Patsy and the other 3 ladies didn't deserve to die by his hands
Absolutely.
He has a double life sentence with no possibility of parole and a pending death sentence over him for 29 years. So I guess that fits the bill.
he dumped her body and 1000$ bond to pay to go free???? what?????
Amazing. A serial killer that I had absolutely NO idea existed. NONE. This was/is great stuff. I enjoyed it immensely. Thank you.
@6:32 "Everyone has a good side that wins out over the bad side?" Yeah, someone that naive was bound to get murdered eventually.
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I agree
My thinking exactly 😏
😂facts
she thought he really became a new person via her help, boy was she wrong!
They found her purse and bed sheet from her home in his van..She's gone missing..He was the last person at her home..And he is set free because they don't have enough evidence?!!..What kind of incompetent cop work was that?!...Oh wait..they need to have a body....🤦🏾
@jennyjames5658 The same cops that responded to the Uvalda Elementary School Shooting! I feel like the levels of botch by the cops could had a very different outcome, w/o this dudes help (the defendant)he could had walked. He solved it and convicted himself so he should be waiting on his w•2 From LE since he did all the work that got him convicted …this world 🤦🏼♀️
They do not need a body to convict for murder. Look up the Carrie Culberson case from Blanchester, Ohio.
He could have been convicted on the purse and bedsheet
Betcha there would not have been a "waiting period" if she was the daughter of a police officer. Anyone want to take the bet?
Ah, stereotypes. What would simpletons do without them, huh?
I agree!
@@speedingatheist stereotypes only exist because they are fundamental true. That’s how they became stereotypes in the first place. You might not like the idea but that doesn’t change the veracity of them. I love it when quasi intellectuals denegrate the use of stereotypes without any understanding of what they are or how they came to be.
THERE IS NO WAITING PERIOD. NEVER HAS BEEN. HOW ABOUT YOU PASS THAT ON? BET YOU WON'T.
@@birgittabirgersdatter8082 do intellectuals like yourself always copy and paste from the first post the internet gives you? guess that takes a special kind of intellectual one that attacks another as if you are superior to them.
I might have the wrong idea of what baby face means because that's not it 🤣
@Key Pre 😆
at least the actor is slightly cuter. 🤷
Especially / a beard! Lol!
@@keypre r
Clean shaven white guy
Hun siger hun blev smidt i floden som en hund ,man smider ikke en elsket hund i floden heller 😢
I was screaming the SAME thing! 😳
I commented the same thing here! It immediately struck me as a very cruel thing to say. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was upset by that remark.
They need to stop the waiting period 99 %of the cases turn out to be homicide and the quicker they get out there looking the better.
I agree with you but it costs a lot of taxpayers' money to find the one in 99.
The room set up by the police via the profiler is brilliant!!!
No it's not, behave x
Yes, but now 418.441 people know.
the supreme court turned down his appeal HE IS STILL ALIVE 24 YEARS AFTER LOSING HIS APPEAL.
We were told he would have to serve his 2 life sentences before going to Death Row. My aunt was the first victim Patsy Vineyard
@@adriandison9524 I'm sorry for your loss. ❤
@@adriandison9524 What a beautiful woman she was. I'm sure it still hurts, my condolences.
@@adriandison9524That sentence doesn't make any sense, it is as if they think a person has multiple lifetimes.
Sorry for your loss 💔
That Babyface is going to get him a lot of you know in prison.
Right Right Lol 😆🤣😂😅😄😜
Not on a death row.
Lady, did you just say: "She was dumped to the river like a dog."? 0:26 Do you normally dump dogs to the river? Why should it be OK to dump a dog to the river? Why even say such a terrible thing? People are often surprised when somebody treats somebody else badly. Guess what?! It starts with animals!
Yeah, weird thing to say. Is that normal in that town? To dump dogs in the river?
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree and @Kyra where I come from, it's normal to throw dead animals, (pets, farm animals, and wild animals) to the river or any bodies of water. But this is only common in rural areas in the Philippines. It was only a few years ago that people started burying dead animals as organic fertilizer. Just sharing. But I'm guessing it would be horrible in America to do something like this.
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Kyra : I guess it`s a phrase. A very troubling phrase.
“ handsome devils “ 🤢🤮 absolutely nothing about him was attractive
It was just a reenactment he is just an actor.
@@remydadula7174 the baby face killer himself wasn’t attractive at all …
@@remydadula7174 the actor was more attractive than the murderer
FACTS! Sickening how society just glorifies certain race of people🙄
Are you expecting Leonardo Di Caprio? He's just attractive enough.
It always irks me how the police tell future serial killers about the psychological tricks they used to extract a confession, rendering them unable to use that useful ruse again.
Makes you wonder that if the police are telling the truth about their techniques. Dude! Please! Haven’t your parents taught you never to trust pigs?
That is so far from the truth. There is so many different traits and patterns etc. No way one person could possibly learn all traits and patterns. Movies make it seem more glamorous then it really is
Do you think future serial killers are watching this video?😂😂
That's a smart way of putting it and I thought exactly the same but not as intelligently put.
@@AllTheCritters Yes, but even if not, a "regular murderer" or any other type of perpetrator mustn't be informed either. So I don't know what you are laughing about.
He has been on death row for 30 years in North Carolina. The last person to be executed in North Carolina was Samuel Flippen, who was put to death on August 18, 2006. Since that time, there has been a de facto moratorium on executions, as a result of several related challenges to the death penalty system, some of which have now been resolved. It is unknown if they will execute anyone in the coming years.
They need to just get it done! Especially if there's absolutely NO doubt! Just do the damn thing!
Thanks for sharing this information.
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The citizens of America are paying for his care. This is so wrong. Poor ladies
The police didn't suspect him when 1st questioned. He didn't seem like a bad guy. I hope the conversation is raised with people you know that are very trusting, caring and kind like Jamie was. Sociopaths have dead cold stares even when they smile.
I just searched his name and found his photo, he is not baby faced or good looking now.
Neither is the actor they used in this video.
The police were extremely impotent in this instance. I wonder how many more cases they've botched.
Blue Feary Yes indeed.
"Like a dog"??? How absolutely appalling! A person should be judged by how they treat animals.
I just wonder why people never lock their doors, It seems a simple precautionary action and a natural thing to do. You wouldn;t want people coming into your house freely, would you? 12:21 dogs are dumped in the river, really? In my country there are crematories for dead pets.
We have crematoriums for pets here too, as well as cemeteries for pets only. Times have changed, and depends on where you lived, but years ago where I live, few people locked their doors, though it's always been the smart thing to do, as well as having guns at hand.
That's what always shocks me about many of these cases. Just how naïve and sheltered can a person be to leave their doors unlocked. Insane. They've always been kept closed for at least a few centuries in my country.
@@Alex-mc5yn in the rural area where I live, and I am 59 years old now, and when I was young, we sometimes left our doors unlocked, or our windows open at night for the cool air. However, my Daddy was well-known in the area as someone not to mess around with, and he was also known to have guns and always had one close by and wouldn't hesitate to shoot somebody to defend his family if they broke in, or even if they were on the property attempting to steal something. Things are very different in these times, and of course he's passed away now, but my husband and I live in my home place, but we both always have guns nearby. In the daytime though, we sometimes leave the main door open and have the storm door closed of course.
Why do people always compare the bad with dogs, dogs are the best better than most humans.
True!
Agree
Where is the lie here?!
Dogs inherently have more "goodness" in them than 90% of the human population. Their love & loyalty is the ONLY TRULY unconditional love that exists in the world.
They should be calling the bad people what they are.... Beasts & monsters, all of them.
They say similar about cats.
If the space you're in is small, we used to say you couldn't swing a cat in here ^
Absolutely agree!
Can’t even tell you how many times I swam in Lake Bowen when I lived in Spartanburg and Boiling Springs! Yikes never heard of this case!
Haha😀
Are there that many dogs dumped in the river? That that is a thing?!
Thank you! I thought the same thing....who dumps a dog in the river?
I thought the same
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It immediately struck me, too! What a cruel thing to say!
Haha.. savage
Dumped in the river like a dog? Who would do that to an innocent animal… smh
Many people commented on the same thing here, including myself! I'm so happy I'm not the only one who found it a very odd and cruel thing to say!
WHAT ?!?
"Dumped in the river like a dog."
NEVER! What words 😡
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She must have threw a dog in the river at some point in her life.
It struck me too immediately but I think it was just a thoughtless and passing remark by a hillbilly accent individual.
I don’t understand why cops would take this guy to his hotel after he crashed his stolen motorcycle! They didn’t run the plates or arrest him for DUI?
It's because he has a favourable complexion.
Not a “former client”, a former “stalker”. Or “student”. She should have met him in public.
It was really naive of her to let him in the house!
In a prison industrial complex they are called clients because they make the prison owner money. The system is effed up. When you're on social welfare or with the IRS they also call you client. At least in my corrupt country.
Talk about sorry police work and she was missing and you guys are staying in the house you could be destroying evidence
Excellent Doc 👍🏾
So none of us are going to admit that we didn't know Bill Gates (@25:55) was a detective before he became a billionaire??
Did not know lol
@@DaRkHoRsE-_- lol He looks like him if you happen to look up real quick. He is a lil heavier in the face. cousins. lol
Bill Gates has always been a crooked liar, he stole Microsoft from his buddies the software was not his invention, his only doing was selling it to the public, he's a very good CON man.
@@marksmith7054 And apparently he was also a heavy set law enforcement agent.
“Dumped in a river like a dog”. Doesn’t say much for the world we live in. What evilness to other animals as some how different? Don’t they feel and love as we do. Easy to destroy life, but you cannot make it.
Exactly 🙏🙏🙏
Do you eat meat?
It's just an old saying. There are not many people (outside) of crazies that would do that.
Paraphrasing Gandhi: As long as we have slaughterhouses, they will be slaughter.
Strangling to death takes 4-5 minutes. Long time
It takes a while to lose consciousness but it can take 10 minutes or more to strangle someone. Awful.
How would you know that 😂😂
@@moonlight-p1tright😂😩
I was surprised at that comment too. I’m sure she didn’t mean it and she wouldn’t do that but it wasn’t a good choice of words 😢😮
Hillbilly verbiage
whats with the baby face nonsense?
@00:30 she says dumped in a river like a dog. I didn't know people dumped dogs in rivers, anymore.... You know, not since the SPCA was around to take unwanted pets. Even dogs!
Peoples lives COULD have been saved here if people spoke up or we questioned more and didn’t let killers or rapists free frankly
Just why are some male humans such evil creatures?
Ever heard of Joanna Dennehy?
My ex MONSTER was great looking.He was wealthy and popular.He was according to everyone THE PERFECT CATCH.He is now in prison for life for leaving me for dead and unrecognizable.Women should never think that a monster looks like a monster.They rarely do.Prince Charming more often than not looks like Ted Bundy and think like Ted Bundy.
The last scene where the woman wearing the murder victim's ring ( given to her with a confession) says how thankful she is that he was finally caught and convicted ??????!
I thought withholding evidence was a criminal crime
the ring was presented to his wife. it is one of his girlfriends ,who felt the relief.
I enjoy watching this crime series, I am so intrigued by how the detectives solved every crime case with determination to bring justice to the grieving families who lose their loved ones. 👍
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I live in a rural area and my home backs up to an irrigation waterway. It’s disgusting how many people shoot their dogs and throw them in.
"dumped in a river like a dog" 🙁 🤔 damn. who does that to dogs? Like where is that woman from.... to where that's become an expression that she uses ???
So, in North Carolina they "dump dogs in rivers" ? assumably dead dogs...they throw them in the river to the alligators instead of burying their pet dogs 🤷🤦
Have you seen what Portuguese galgos owners do to their past the sell by date dogs? Those dogs would wish they had been thrown in a river...
11:38 the cops and detectives do their job 💯 it’s the judges in these cases need to realize and represent
12:19 ma’am you better not put anyone’s dog in the river!
I think we’re people fail to realize is that the psyche involved here is something completely apart from what you know, he is just crazy so why you would expect him to have any particular reaction other than some random one that he should choose, I don’t understand quite frankly. I wouldn’t expect him to have any particular personality traits until I did a psychiatric exam or an observation of some sort
1990 - North Carolina - Jamie Hurley failed to report to work and Leslie Warren was a good looking young man. Welma Grey a singer too had disappeared earlier as well as two other women.
And the policeman said, 'well, it's not as if she's a cop or judge's daughter or that her family own half the town'...
Oh and NEVER wear a scarf don't give them an easy weapon
Your estranged husband gives you a ring that belonged to a woman he says he killed at the request of her husband and you still go ahead and wear it?! ugh
Praying that all serual killers be found out and brought to justice.
In the Holy name of Yeshua. Amen.
Thank you for posting this.
You know there was another baby faced killer back in the 20s and 30s. I think is was. Baby face Nelson a mobster.
God bless
That's different, he wasn't a serial killer.
He does not have a baby face. 8:57
That's an actor.
The evil in him still present
Now days it would be illegal for her to discuss her patient's to her family. It's against the HIPA laws.
Maybe, but it was the right thing to do. He should have gotten a firing squad, but that could've been too quick and easy for that nutcase
11:30ish What do you mean, you can't hold him for long... He's just admitted to dumping her body in the river... Wowser that's at least mistreatment of a cadaver for starters, what are you talking nonsense for, ridiculous coming from a copper as well 🙄 tsk tsk
$1000 isn't a bond. It's an insult to the victims and their families, and a danger to the population. Back then it would also have been an invite to steal the identity of a dead person and go on the run, which many did.
the 3 murdered women have VERY similar eyes
Exactly 💯!!! Thank you!!!! I know what you mean! The poor innocent victims should be that lucky! Our Judicial system is a sad joke!!! 🤬
I hate when they try to blame their childhood and their parents for the crimes they commit , they make it look like if the solution for crime is to kill all criminals and all their descendants.
They are the very same people that say that no child should be blamed for the crimes committed by their progenitors.
What an evil monster.
RIP to the beautiful victims, your life was worth more, my heart goes out to your family and friends.
When professionals responsible for catching murderers, serial killers, say that "he seemed nice"...."he had a nice baby face"....etc etc etc.. U know we live in a doomed world ! If these MFs can so easily "fool" these professionals, then where is the chance/hope for the mostly unsuspecting, "naive" public. Lol. Take care of urself people. Be responsible for your own safety... As much as logically possible. DON'T be too trusting.
Imagine the cost of his stay all this time excluding legal representation? This is the reason you never judge a book by its cover, good looking is an exterior attribute, it’s what’s on the inside. Facade, like a smart looking car then to find it has no engine.
He's a sadist.
So the family is worried something bad happened to her, basically figuring her place was a crime scene. So let's just live in here for the next couple of days completely destroying the scene. Smart.
I agree. Animals can never be evil like people. People are uniquely EVIL
Certain animals eat there babies if they have health problems.
Just sayin
MANY OF THE QUALITIES MENTIONED ABOUT THIS GUY, ARE THOSE SAME ONES MENTIONED ABOUT TED BUNDY. IF THAT'S NOT SCARY, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS.
What is this Amateur Hour with clueless incompetent Keystone coppers... $1000 bail are you kidding 😳 😒 🙄 RIDICULOUS
What are we waiting for…throw the switch!
What brought tears to my eyes was the brother wanted to confront the killer and until the interview, which I assume a long while later, the pain was still so obvious in his eyes. The death is not as sad as thinking about our loved ones suffering after our death.
Eyes tell all
They certainly do!
An insane cost - to lives, police force energy, tax payers money! All because there was no body to be found to detain him! That really is crazy! It ought to be that as long as a a person is still missing, the chief suspect ought to be detained. Perhaps treated ‘generously’ as they haven’t been found guilty. The law on this needs a huge adjustment.
man, that ex girlfriend is a tuff cookie...i like her lol
That ex girlfriend is such a bad person. She saw him with blood on his hands and did not think to report him to the police at all. She could have saved more women from dying.
Everyone knows if they are still interrogating you they don’t have anything. I’m so surprised when people confess.
Not really the case....i have seen many interviews where police have all the evidence but still interogate you
I didn't know that. Of course I haven't committed any felonies.
They interrogate you for several reasons, even though they do have enough evidence to convict you. If you can't figure out why, then you don't know much about criminals and the justice system.
The USA is a very frightening country.
You should try the Middle East sometime, or Sierra Leone.
USA is a cake walk compared to those places.
6:17 “I think what concerns me though is the behavior. Around the females, such as yourself and others that are here that really concerns me” what lol