Every Character in The Expanse Explained
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2022
- From Naomi Nagata to Amos Burton today we breakdown the major characters in The Expanse. To get $5 off your Magic Spoon variety pack and get a head start on your health and fitness resolutions, click this link magicspoon.thld.co/genfilms_0122 and use code GENFILMS at checkout!
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That’s the sexiest promo y’all have ever done good job Ben all you need now is a haircut.
New York is horrible anyone can shoot anyone and get away with it get out while you can.
I think you did good, please escape from New York. Lol
Shohreh Aghdashloo is a phenomenal actress, I loved her character, and she played a politician. I hate 99.98% of politicians and still loved the character.
avasarala is everything a real politician should be but sadly are not
What’s the 0.02%?
Bobbie didn’t betray Mars, Mars betrayed her feeding her lies and even tried to kill her when her team was used as a test subject and tired to lie and place blame on one of her soldiers….that is when they lost her.
She never crosses someone who doesn’t cross her first.
I think that this video got more wrong then it did right. It left a lot out or just entirely missed the point of an arc. Alex didn’t wash out of the MCRN, he flew for them for 20 years and retired with full honors. He also at no point was a coward. Peaches wasn’t a remorseless killer. The first time we see her kill someone she was crying about it. There are a lot of other flaws in this video but those are the most glaring.
I hate to be the guy to overstate the obvious, but their character archs evolved over 6 seasons, not 6 episodes.
Season 1 Holden would’ve warned everyone in the system about the danger posed by the Ring entities, even Marco. And he would’ve done that without giving it much thought. By season 6, Holden runs the big decisions by the appropriate people to see what they say. He also went from a brash, politically naive individual who was worried only for the immediate future, to out playing Avasarala at her own game, and with the long game in mind.
Season 1 Avasarala was just an ambitious cut-throat politician that took her own council, who was only concerned about Earth and her position. By season 6, she became a leader that takes her council from advisors and delegates responsibility, and not only has everyone’s interest at heart, but is willing to put herself on the line for it.
Amos in season 6 learns that he isn’t just a violent muscle headed mechanic who needs to follow the person with the strongest sense of right and right to keep himself straight, nor does that person need to be right always. He’s learned that he has his own moral compass. And that he is a member of a family and that you shouldn’t cut and run just because one them did something idiotic. He’s learned that he’s not just a tool that someone pulls out of box to beat something with, but someone who is capable of heroic acts on their own and restraint. And he’s become someone that others look up to to keep themselves straight. And all of this was already there, he just needed someone to point that out for him.
Season 5 was hard for Naomi. With this season, Holden distracted her with a puzzle so that she could set her emotions aside. And she learns that while she had lost her real family and there’s no way that she’s going to able to get that back, she has a new family in the crew of the Roci.
With their old ties cut, Bobby and Carissa find there sense of belonging with the Roci.
Fillip? He was yow-yow-ing because he was on the verge of breaking made all the harder because of the cult like persona of his father and all of the death that he personally was responsible for, contrasted against the examples set by his mother and the crew of the Roci. He was only holding it together because he believed that what they are doing was for the betterment of, and for the freedom and safety of the people of the Belt, that his father had their interests at heart. Coming to understand that you are part of a cult, that its cause was a big lie to the profit of the big guy, who was his father, and trying to break away from a that group is difficult especially when Filip was already carrying the guilt for having helped his father kill easily many tens of millions on Earth.
I think many of you, including American Ben, are missing a specific element to the character arcs. Throughout the entire series, for many but not all characters, some of the driving themes were about where one belongs, what is family, and where does one fit in the larger scheme of things. Some characters had already answered those questions for themselves and never wavered from those answers (not during the show's events anyway, they changed before the show). One example of this, atleast on the surface, was fred Johnson (circumstances caused subtle changes in how he answered these questions, but not as much as other characters). Others had answered those questions at the beginning, but then found they no longer felt those answers correct, Bobby Draper being a good example of this. Anyway, with those questions used to frame each character, most of them become more dynamic. Even Avaesarala changed in the context of those themes. Holden also evolved from this perspective (he evolved in other ways as well, as old Holden would definitely not have orchestrated Drummer becoming president of the transport union).
Preach, Brother.
Drummer grew to be my favorite character. Cara Gee did an amazing job bringing her to life, I hope she gets more work.
I've seen some other stuff she has been in and she is a wonderful actress in them all I think Dummer was the pinnacle of her acting so far.
Amos became a “boss” and also bonded with Bobbie in combat, still not sure if that was just grunt love or real love. Either way he grew more than you credit him for this season. 🤙🏻
"Season 5 was enough to make me stop watching the show"
And, on to a different video.
😆 season 5 wasn’t nearly as challenging as season 4, though both are still quite good
Before season, Avasarala had not been a people-facing politician. She was an appointee. She is politically savy, but she had preferred the amount of leeway being at the background gave her. Season 4 showed her struggling to adjust to change.
I would also add that in season 5, she lost her husband in the asteroid attacks. Attacks that were in part a reaction to the policies she supported and actions she condoned or took. She got hit with the consequences. Along with the devastation to earth, she was an emotional shambles, along with everyone else on earth. With that, her more emotional responses and reaching for a moral position makes sense.
Old thread but I thought Avasarala's arc was the most profound. She went from soulless Deep State apparatchik who's career involved moving from one appointed position to the next up the ladder... and in the end was a full-fledged human with empathy although she always retained the quiver of knives if needed from her past sordid career.
I dont think this video highlighted everything at all. In regards to the character arcs, you missed alot. I will stand and say that season 6s conclusion was fantasticly done. Esspecaly from the character side. Amos did arc this season or atleast came to realisation about where he belonged and who he considered family and even opened up even more as he has done so brillintly and gradualy over the whole show.
You completly forgot to mention the whole idea of being emotionaly broken as every character is at the begining of this season, but they all find some hope at the end and so does the system as a whole. Hope.
Naomi:
Gives the proto molecule to Johnson. "He will keep it safe".
Holden : "OK......"
It later gets stolen by the Free Navy
Holden: " *NAOMIIII!* "
To be fair, Holden was there when it got stolen so...... Tho how he could have fought off a bulletproof Robot is questionable... And Fred, hiding it under his bed like some teenager hiding prn mags REALLY?!
@@nulnoh219 lmao
Ben, I think the characters “interacting with the crew of the Roci” is overstated compared to the system-wide, species-wide paradigm shifts throwing them all around: the Roci narratively eschews the Enterprise D even if it thematically affirms it
Amos, is that guy
Amos is written as a street thug who kind of grew up. He's supposed to be a real bad-ass, but we never really get to se him fight. I know the creators know how to choreograph a fist fight - Bobbie showed us that, But if Amos is supposed to be an action hero, shouldn't he have at least one fight on screen?
Loved this show, hope it gets picked up by another streaming service to finish the last 3 books. At the very least looking forward to The Expanse video game.
The writers explicitly committed to only this arc of the stories, which is pretty clear looking at all 6 seasons: this story has been about the Belt and the Laconian Empire arc AT BEST uses the Belter struggle as sociohistorical context and old worldbuilding that characters at most remember under the dominion of the Laconians
I dare you question the Expanse I call on the inquisitors to unleash their wrath on you . May you suffer a thousand years of pain at the hands of the chaos gods .
Airlock, that's what you need! :)
Ashford was a fantastic underrated character played with a ton of nuance by Strathairn
Time to read the books
I thought it was rushed as well. I thought I was the only person.
thanks for making more great content on my favorite series best ben, your videos are what brought me to it!
Missed important dimensions of character development for the characters. So, coming to weird conclusions I cannot agree with. But truly appreciate your perspective. Here for that, and not to find agreement with mine. Thanks for putting in all this work into your videos. Still the best of the bunch.
This show and Firefly will go down as the best science fiction show of all time and for the books it's right up there with Dune.
The video starts at 4:20
While I definitely agree that we needed a full 10 episode "final season", the changes weren't as abrupt as GOT. The personality shifts aren't that extreme for Filip when you consider the fact he's been traveling for months on a spaceship. I think they said it was like 3 months from Earth to the ring gate. The belt is like 20% the way to the ring gate.
American Ben has a crush on Camina Drummer. I dig it.
don't we all?
I don't know if you guys have read the books; if so, I'd really enjoy your thoughts on Duarte, Laconia, and where the series could take that arc if it ever gets picked back up.
That wasn't just Drummer's crew. They were literally her family. They were in a queer polyamorous relationship. They loved each other and it was beautiful. That is why Drummer showed so much vulnerability and empathy as each family member left her crew. Their story was probably the most interesting out of all of season 6.
It felt like the writers were heavy handed with Filip’s arc. Killing his best friend seemed over the top as compared to the book where he shot a station security officer. I think that reckless disdain for authority would have sufficiently drove the point of his spiraling out of control under Marco’s watch.
Are there any videos that analyse some of seasons 1,2,3 characters such as Errinwright, Jules-Pierre Mao or Nguyen?
I so want a West Wing/DS9 -like spinoff centered on Drummer!
Does Magic Spoon offer protomolecule options?
Are you sure we just watched the same series? I certainly can't agree to the supposed changes in Avasarala, or the one dimensional-ness of Holden. I saw a rich unfolding of evolution in each and all the main characters in this mix of tragedies, heroes and anti-heroes. But the underlining them to the whole thing was the sense of belonging and finding a place to call home.
Unnecessary negative, seems like we both wasted our time, you for watching season 6, me watching your negative review. So characters evolve...Chrisjen becomes less nationalistic and recognises the stupidity of a revenge attack etc
Agreed dude i was like wtf, he did not even expain what he was talking about in detail, not the ben i knew lol.
"i was put off by the expanse season 5". I cant wait for your raving review of the book of boba fett.
i just thought of something... how did the protomolecule hybrid walk on the outside of the Rocinante to get to Prax without magnetic boots?
Drummer. ❤️
Video hasn't started yet, but I'm gonna guess that American Ben is presenting this one.
4:24 There could be a balance between cheap and expensive ones (like 8-10 episodes).
7:15 Avasarala was ruined a lot more than that - as in addition to what you mentioned, she also lost pretty much all of the backbone she demonstrated in Seasons 1-3. Why? Because she made military blunder after military blunder, doesn't know what the concept of retaliating to an attack is, the strategic value of the ring gates, that an Inner ship is worth several times its number in Belter ships at minimum... Avasarala refuses to understand that in a war, you actually have to fight, or that Marco brought the war on the Belt.
8:05 Barely. Yes, there was Avasarala asking if she went soft, but the odd conversation doesn't make up for two seasons of incompetence.
8:43 The Transport Union - like Mars will ever stay in something headed by the belt, negotiated by Holden in bad faith (Holden isn't the brightest person if he thinks Mars will stay in it after he did what he did). He also isn't a purely one dimensional good guy. He placed his relationship with Naomi over killing Marco, other Free Navy officers, destroying the Pella... How does that make someone a completely good person?
In no way are the last two seasons incompitante they are both great seasons, they do well by all chacters, they do amazingly with world building setting, visiuals and plot, avasrala does not that many military blunders from what i can remember, also remember earth is dealing with alot of damage and shortages and earths fleets are over worked, and spread thin.
I liked season six. Yeah it has it’s flaws but it was good. However, i don’t agree with the whole “six expensive episodes or twelve cheap episodes” idea. It seemed completely opposite to me, as though we got six cheap episodes. To me it seemed like they went the cheapest route possible. Look at any season prior and the world building was way bigger. Aside from a few scenes on Ceres, every scene took place in a room or in space where everything was CG. In season one and two, Ceres and Tycho looked and felt like a real place. Hell, even season four and five looked and felt real, but season six just looked and felt fake. Once again, I liked it, but it felt too rushed like they just didnt have the budget.
I think the reason is more due to the books they are based on. For if I am honest, the books do degrade in quality over time, especially when we reach the Human Empire arc (I can't spell their actual name). Which is part of the reason I am glad the people of the Expanse ended it this season. Don't get me wrong, on a world-building scale, it's great but the author has a habit of introducing characters that never appear again, leave arcs unresolved or shift with little explanation, or just making baffling decisions that do not match the character.
Though, I say this with love for while I like shows or media like the Expanse, Babylon 5, Stargate Star Trek, and Star Wars I am not ignorant of their flaws. You can enjoy work even if it is not perfect. And I love the Expanse for its world-building, battle sequences, and showing that while the world can be grey if not bleak, it does not mean you cannot be good.
I cannot get OVER the notion that you found season three more enjoyable than season 5. It was a season long bottle episode. WHAT.
(Art is subjective, opinions are like noses.)
I am absolutely addicted to this show however I unfortunately dont see a positive or conclusive ending towards the series I even interpret the whole anti wormhole set that the anti gate keeper aliens set up shall cause great destruction
Probably in a few years they'll put out season 7, most likely as I see since the creators said the series was on a hiatus so to speak, in universe instead of 30 years in between events as is in the books, 10-15 years could pass to better adapt the story.
I dissagree, the show answers the main primary question setup at the begining and shows how the system is broken at seasons begining and now has hope in the finale. And the ending is left like this for a hopful future drive. And its even adress by holden and used to wrap up the show.
Well American Ben every one is entitle to their opinion even if they're wrong. Even in life we progress; then we become who we are. Certain things or views may change, but we are who we are.
Damn dude I thought you were just fat. I didn’t know you were doing a bulk and cut. Good work on the bod mod
Thx man
The writers for the series had a lot to deal with from Alex Kamal departure to condensing a massive storyline into 6 episodes. What I don't understand why they introduced the black eyed boy on Laconia knowing nothing will ever come of it, that was wasted screen time. My advice read the books or get them on audiobook, so much more depth and story though the final book Leviathan Falls was more a let down than the other 8. It is after surprising who the one character left is ?
Naren Shankar (the showrunner) and both of the book series authors make it clear that there my well be an adaptation of the final three books. Shankar says directly “I am working on it”. Alcon owns the rights and further adaptation needs to be negotiated with them. Ty Franks said “be patient”.
Really? What about season 5 turned u off so much? Did u do a video on that that I may have missed…. Can’t believe u didn’t want to see our girl Bobby D.!! I’d hate to have to let her know and get u some of that right hook!
Good video as usual, but I had a hard time keeping concentrated on the content after that shirtless photo of you ... don't be surprised if you get unsolicited advances I will restrain myself and only tell you that : WOW!!
Sorry AB I'm gone.
Although I did continue watching the show until it's end, I knew that I had to temper my expectations for stories being filled out properly when Amos returned to Baltimore. I had already noticed small ways in which the show writers were willing to deviate from the books or alter a character for the sake of convenience, but I already know the biz isn't perfect. All I know is that Baltimore is already a city that has seen better days and it is about 62% black. I am not sure what happened between the current timeline and the future that exists in the Expanse, but the Baltimore they depicted looked a lot more like Minneapolis than 'Charm City'.
I’d guess part of that is because Toronto is where they get the extras who populate the scenes.
The characters are written as humans, so like all of us, who ever knows what they’re really doing and whether what they’re doing is right? Hindsight is everything for those who come after, but when you’re living it, you just don’t know. I think the series finale is brilliant. But still enjoy your videos regardless 👻
I just wanna say I sent the fb page a message a few days ago regarding American Ben’s silence on The Expanse lately. Ben, I was worried about you. I thought maybe you were being held against your will by the Free Navy and told not to speak of the final season.
Season 5 and 6 are amazing. To me all seasons are amazing. If you are going to trash something then avoid doing videos about it, leave that to the real fans
Personally, I really quite liked the ending, though I do think that it's desperately in need o' an epilogue in some form. There are just far too many loose threads otherwise.
READ THE BOOKS
I have not read the books, I have to wonder if Naomi ended up settling into motion a series of events (by taking out Marco) that will do more damage to humanity than Marco ever did.
Hind sights great. You have years to conceptualise it and critique it. Change your mind
Survival is terrible. It leaves gives you only bad options. Sometimes only one.
The expanse isn’t a Longterm vision.
The only Part was mar’s Generational vision to terraform mars; that lead them to being the most powerful state in the solar system.
90% of earth is fighting to survive a meal at a time
Everyone on the belt is living one oxygen tank at a time.
Everyone on mars and gaanemede was living 1 seed and warship at a time.
I could finish this by saying the roci had no other choice. That had they not. The solar system would have been eradicated by Markos with proto-molecule weapons and lost any chance of a civil society again.
Human history would have been lost to a psychopathic belters Ideology.
But really… it’s all fillips fault. Fuck fillip
@@jugganaut33 so, the entities being woken up does not spiral out of control?
@@admerin6961: oh no. It does.
The sol system is in ruins.
The belt is split.
Mar’s dreams is abandoned
Earth is a cratered hulk.
There’s barely a handful of UN/Mars/belter warships left.
The bad guys have control of Proto molecule dreadnaughts and half the first Martian fleet.
And the proto molecule is on the loose again.
No it doesn't. Now that they know that the entities can be awoken they have to be careful with the number of ships that go through the ring
@@Kennia1998 they knew the entities were attacking ships already, she was just the first to wake them on purpose. Now everyone in the Sol system knows it can be done. Seems she may have opened a can of worms to me.
A couple notable takes I disagree with.
Amos: IMO the best, most complex character in the show. He wants to be "good" he just doesn't know how, so he adopts the morality of those he deems "good." First Naomi then Holden. His interactions with Prax changed his perspective of his own "goodness" and finally began to accept and follow his own moral compass.
Filip: Yeah, he bounces around, he's been mentally and emotionally abused beyond breaking. He's mentally unstable and given to quick shifts in his psyche. It's not bad writing or too fast character growth, he's just that fucked up.
Yea filip is also extremely young especially compared w the main cast when we first meet them. They’re all way into their 30s by the time season 1 starts and I wanna say filip is like 18 when we meet him. I mean shit Naomi’s whole arc depends on her being extremely unstable and naive at that same age and he is supposed to be a thematic mirror to her arc
I think that the 6th season would have been better if Alex was still in the cast. I believe that the show writers have shift characters and situations to fill in the gap. If Alex was still around, the other characters could have developed more and freer.
I disagree tbh, i think in a way it added to the message of the season about finding your way out of disperation and the broken state everyone is in. Avasarala lost her husband, her planet in a way and part of herself which she questions. Bobbies lost mars and her prevous identerty. Drummers lost her family, ashford and more. And nyomi has lost her son in a way, the roci crews loss was Alex, with out that happening i think it would have been harder to convey on screen.
@@starkillerz6235 great point. thanks for sharing it
@@GoldenPhil no probs g 😁
Why would you have someone with such obvious disdain for this show narrate this video?
I thought Seasons 5 and 6 were great 🙂
two seasons I could do without. S4 S5. Seemed low cost, and they could took 2 episodes each.
hummm no explicit and unwashed love shown for Bobi Drapper ???😜
I will lower my war flag for now.
As much as this was a shallow ending to the Expanse, your commentary showed a contempt towards seasons 5-6 and was not up to your usual standard.
13rd
Season 6 was just the ending of Season 5. When you trunkact a Season to mere 6 episode instead of the barely 10 to minimal 13' people forget that originally a Television was 26 episodes
The stance from which this essay originates is all based on character "change". I loved the last two seasons because it deepened these characters. But I disagree with the basis of your essay: alot was telegraphed much in advance. Holden becomes more political, Amos started mentoring and standing on his own when before he needed others to orient from, Aviserala's earlier ruthlessness reflected the exact ruthless calculus that led to Marcos and she understands that now. Even disagree about Marcos; he starts this from a desire to make things better for his son...but you utterly skip over that as a motivation.
I disagree so completely with your conclusions that it makes me want to do a counter video. Just to get this out. This utter wtf feeling. I guess then you did a good job with the video then...since normally I don't care enough. Great video then....misguided but enough to provoke
Sorry - but when Klaes got written out I lost interest…. However, after this might have to catch up 🤔
his demise feeds Drummer’s development well, not exploitatively IMO; he served as a strong foil against both Marco and Drummer as neither of them were comfortable with the kind of peace brokered with Inners after escaping the Ringspace and neither was Ashford himself UNTIL Marco’s radicalization revealed itself
I CANT HEAR THAT FaCKING SPONSOR SHIT ANYMORE!!!!
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YO BRO TAKE IT FROM A FAN OF THE CHINESE DUDES CONTENT - STOP IT WITH ALL THE “COMEDY” IT’S NOT FUNNY AND DEF NOTA GOOD LOOK