The Failure of Sony's MADAME WEB (Explored)
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2024
- Hey guys, today we're diving into the massive disappointment that is Sony's MADAME WEB.
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I cannot comprehend the stupidity of Sony trying to construct a universe about Spider-Man… without Spider-Man being in it.
Money. That’s all they care about
They so should have just spent that money buying another IP
@@JRussellDay they know that spider-man is their bread and butter. He’s literally all they have
I couldn't agree more.
It could have worked. They could have just gone with an actual spider person. There are so many.
Instead they went with Madame Web.
How those writers still got work after Morbius, I’m amazed. But then this is the studio that released Morbius twice not understanding the irony of “morbin’ time”.
I'm sure they are just told numbers and stats. They don't have time for anything else.
Their assistant that wants to keep her job says "morbius Is trending. Everybody is talking about it"
And then they make a split decision
They probably bends over
Nobody else though that would work..
TIME TO MORB
More like it's Morphine Time
"Its webbin time"
but first, an ice cold delicious Pepsi!
@@kidd522666 Product placement is tight!
As somebody who is a longtime fan of Spider-Man continuity as well as the character of Madame Web, I am disgusted with this...
Madame Web was such a cool character in the comics and the animated spiderman series
I've become a savant of bad movies and this one is going to be studied. It falls on it's face so hard it's a comedy 😂
@@greenkoopa for me I'm still studying Multiverse of Madness analyzing how I could do so much better while working with so much less in comparison
@@madambutterfly1997I think most folks severely underestimate how much of a miracle it is that films are able to get made in the first place. There are so many moving parts that it’s shocking there are any good films at all haha. That being said, with the amount of money thrown at these movies there is no excuse for them to be anything less than serviceable. It’s just sad really.
Sony has just been releasing garbage for the past decade whether it be media or video games. All their stuff caters to the mainstream bland crowds nowadays whom have never played an actual video game or gotten into fiction/fantasy.
Sony so desperate at creating their own cinematic universe and preventing their cash cow Spiderman from returning to Marvel that they're willing to release absolute stinkers like these
The greed and utter disrespect for fans and source material are unforgivable.
So it's one of those times where they're only making these films to keep the Spider-Man rights.
@@Xehanort10✅
@@Xehanort10yup that's all this is nothing else
i give it 2 Morbs out of 10 wouldn’t Morb again
LMAO!
Pepsi man is the number one superhero in this film.
Matt and Kerem have a good idea but executed so badly. Spiderwoman, Spider-Gwen, Spidergirl, and Silk were far more famous than a blind, old lady with precognition powers. Oh, wait, the three wahmen only wore their spidey suits in less than 30 seconds and they made Ezekiel the main antagonist despite the fact that he has been helpful numerous times to Peter Parker in the comics.
Not too long ago somebody even proposed the idea of if they were going to do a Madame Web movie do it in the style of Terminator. Like a race against the clock to ensure the birth of Peter Parker or the death of Uncle Ben paralleling the conflict of the second spider verse movie somebody close to Spider-Man having to die as part of some "canon event"
sounds good actually... throw in some SHIELD intrigue since it's already established Richard and Mary Parker had some connections to the spy organization (see Untold Tales of Spider-Man # -1)
Madame Web wrestling with the moral implications of killing an innocent man to make sure Spider Man comes to be, would be amazing
Yeah....
This movie sucked.
Dakota Johnson regrets being in the film and had no idea what the hell was happening with the script.
It currently holds 13% on RT, 3.7./10 on IMDB, and Cinemascore gave it a C+.
An industry insider had said that all sequels to the film have been cancelled due to the poor critical and box office reception.
Even Ray Charles could see that there was no sequel in its future.
But could Madem Web?
lol hope that means the screenwriters choose to do something else and stay away from establishment IP’s
They had sequels planned? bahahaha
@@ugoeze7360honestly, underrated comment. Even Stevie Wonder can see that the world needs more blind famous people jokes
And then they tried to have her exist as a separate entity from any other Spider-Man related content when realistically that can't happen because she's that much of a supporting character in Spider-Man continuity not trying to Branch her off into her own Cinematic Universe could never work
it reminds me of that Catwoman movie that had nothing to do with Batman or Batman's Catwoman.
A paramedic being aloof and disinterested is the most accurate part of the film
Ezkiel Sims: Oh no! Pepsi, my one weakness!
Dakota Johnson is deadpan personified and in a lot of interviews she straight up admitted that this movie is shit and that it's not going to do well.
You know you failed when your leading actress is publicly admitting that this movie is terrible
I think that Dakota Johnson is almost absurdly pretty (she really looks EXACTLY like the daughter you’d hope her two beautiful parents would have: she resembles them to a ridiculous degree), and not as bad an actress as people say.
If Hollywood realizes that a female character can have a hero’s (heroine’s) journey just like a male one, rather than being “practically perfect in every way” with only a few token setbacks, they might actually produce a good Strong Female Character movie, and Dakota Johnson would probably be as good as anyone in it.
@markiangooley I cant disagree more on her. She is definitely not pretty and definitely makes weird acting choices most of which are bad.
"Ambiguous Villain" right..
I don't think she know what the word "ambiguous" means.
@@travisbishop782 She got the word right. She just forgot to mention that she only meant the villain was ambiguous to HER and the WRITERS. They didn't understand their own villain and thought that made them more interesting somehow.
I loved the scene in the movie where Ben Parker shouts "Enough is enough! I have madamewebbing spiders in this madamewebbing car!" before confronting the villain. It was truly awesome
These days, just about any superhero movie I avoid, you know they'll be a big budget and still barely break even because there's still a not so surprising fan following from the MCU.
I'm just grateful we have the Boys and Deadpool 3 to look forward to.
This isn't MCU, but Deadpool is. Marvel/Disney bought Fox, not Sony. Oh, and don't forget X-Men '97 and Invincible.
@thathighguy6980 I just have the unbreakable faith Deadpool but be a letdown/flop, I mean surely it won't be!
@@iceheart1289 Marvels wasn't a letdown. People's expectations were misplaced. The only real disappointment has been Love and Thunder and Ant-Man. People, like you apparently, are expecting Infinity War with every outing now. That's simply not realistic. You, and others like you, need to go back and objectively look at how each movie in phases 1-3 were actually received. You're engaging in revisionist history.
Yes, every project has been flawed with very few "great" projects. But that's literally always been the case. And yet, rarely being great they got people like you to think that they've somehow declined in quality since Endgame. They haven't. Your nostalgia is simply clouding your memory. The only hero without a "meh" movie was Steve Rogers Captain America. Half of the Thor movies were hated on release. And even the first was just ok at best. Loki was the only characters anyone actually enjoyed from that movie. He was supposed to stay dread but he was the only thing that would sell another Thor film. Iron Man 3 was not enjoyed. Hulk still doesn't have a MCU movie. Avengers 2 was panned widely when it came out . Avengers we only think was great because we'd literally never seen anything like that before. Just stop. The genre has always been this
@@thathighguy6980 I guess people got tired of the same boring crap, over and over again.
@@thathighguy6980 No. What people want from the MCU is good superhero films not bad comedies pretending to be superhero films.
Making a Spiderverse without Spiderman is like making Deapool without Wade, or Back To The Future 5 without Doc and Marty: it's NOT going to work.
That's why Peter Parker is Spiderman and Milles Morales is Milles Morales
@@D0NU75damn straight.
😂😂😂😂 I appreciate your honesty in the reviews!
The thing is Casandra Web has always been a blind character in the comics when Spider-Man meets her for the first time she is an older lady, this film takes alot of liberties but messes up on every opportunity. She is a side character too Spider-Man that shouldn't have gotten her own movie because she isn't interesting enough also its funny that Sydney Sweenys character is called Julia Cornwall when shes actually playing Julia Carpenter thats her actual name in the comics .
I fee like a Madam Web movie does work tbh. Just this plot is horrible. We didn't need an origin story like this. It could have easily did a Web Warriors story but failed.
I was drunk watching and thought it was alright, granted that’s how I feel about most superhero movies in the past 5 or so years
I love all of " the overlook" references in all of these movies.
I’ve been waiting on you to do an explained on this!! Thank you!!
The good news, so I heard, is they dropped all their plans for squeals and spin off for anything relating to this "movie".
Well, not s*it Sherlock!
If that Andrew's Peter Parker, this movie makes sense because it doesn't make sense
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I love it - right as you cut to the pepsi man clip I got a ad break 😂😂😂
God, this movie. I had a blast watching it but only because me and my friends were actively berating the thing while it was on screen. My favourite part is how she tells the girls, while teaching them CPR for some reason, "if you stop, they die." Meanwhile in the earlier scene where she's giving CPR she stops several times to look at her hands and have a freak out. She also just stops and walks away from the guy she was giving CPR to because he opens his eyes??? I guess he's cured now?? The irony is palpable. I don't know if the writers actually looked at the script after writing it.
I genuinely enjoyed my time watching this in the theater, I laughed probably 6 or 7 times really loud. Worth a ticket for me but I would never recommend it for theater price
This felt like a school project. Editing, acting, line deliveries so ameture
Wow, I think this is the harshest and funniest review I have ever seen on this channel. Nothing is held back in this review lol. The thing that I picked up on real quick as I watched this movie was the ADR, which I have seen others talk about. I'm looking at the villain as he was speaking and I'm just thinking like his mouth is definitely not speaking the words that I'm hearing lol.
So he was dubbed over. I thought something seemed weird about his voice. As someone who had no context for the characters in this series I feel they spent too much time grappling with the power in a very uninteresting way. The web visuals were cool but also why didn’t the spider people just keep Cassie to raise?
Also her disinterest in kids was very cringey, she just saved the kids father this can’t b the first time, yikes.
No webbin' time?😢
How dare they?!
I mean, at least Morbius became a funny meme, but then again people at Sony also were so naive they actually thought people wanted the movie back in theaters XD , what a bunch of dumb-dumbs..
It's like they watched Emergency Awesome and his meme focused reviews and went " Oh this is what the youngins like? Let's put Morbious back in the theaters to capitalize on a Internet popular schitck that is completely irrelevant to how a movie draws money"
What's worse is how left field this movie is. She was never alluded to in any of the previous Spider-Man films so now movie only Watchers have no fucking clue who she is.
Has been done with any level of competence she would have been hinted at in the post-credits of Spider-Man Far From Home before being formally introduced in the post-credits Spider-Man No Way Home possibly alongside the Beyonder.
And then both spiderverse movies we're outright missed opportunities.
Especially in the second spider-verse movie she could have been one of the minority of characters encouraging Miles to go against the script and giving her abilities of Clairvoyance she already knows he does that.
You're assuming they can write, think strategically, and aren't literally making everything up as they go along. From the looks of it NO ONE involved in this project every picked up a comic book, let alone a Spider-Man comic book. SONY is holding Lee and Ditko's Brainchild hostage until the bitter end, like a murder/suicide.
Thanks for this, and sorry you had to go thru do this. 😂😅
Sony needs to surrender all the Spider-Man rights to the MCU
This video puts a huge smile on my face can’t thank you enough for this. You are talking straight facts here.
Elephant in the room
Is this movie like a power fantasy of that fear of "what if that guy approaches me _and_ he's really dangerous!" ?
Because it really digs in deep for "lets stop that creep! 😮" metoo movement
but with super powers.
The shear stupidity of Sony to even consider making this is a absolute travesty i am so tired of seeing types of movies coming out, this film is filled with stilted dialogue and performances that are so awful they make The Room look like a masterpiece.
Is it just me or did you post a warhammer 40k video that was an hour and a half long that just straight up vanished.
Yeah its gone, wtf
When I heard Ezekiel Simms was in this I was so excited until I heard who was writing it 😢
A lot of big budget failures recently…..
Maybe Warner Bros should have kept the Zack Snyder Mythos for DC films instead of copying and pasting the MCU.
Just a thought
This isn't a DC movie, nor a WB one.
Hi Niat, hopefully one day you might have the time to cover 2018's Cold Skin!
And then there's a whole can of worms when it involves a protagonist with the ability to see the future. Movies like Final Destination have pretty much pioneered that trope and they still suck at it. They have improved, but not by a much
You know what, a final destination like Madame Web thriller/horror would have been amazing!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This could’ve been such a good movie if those directors didn’t touch it 😭
Someone should have talked them out of making this movie
Imagine wanting to make Madame Web the star of her own movie.
You know, the character who peaked in relevance when she said, "Peter, let me take you. To where the REAL Mary Jane is!" At the end of the 90s Spiderman cartoon.
And nothing ever came of it because that was the last episode.
Remember how Spider Totem and Peter being The Chosen One, the "Prime Spider" etc is universally regarded as either the worst part of the Spiderman mythos or a literary failure with a handful of interesting ideas.
Remember how this is what makes Madame Web important.
How tf did they think this would work.
Thanks Niyat for your sacrifice, watching this on behalf of all of us..
The intro to this video is comedy gold.
I only watched your overview video, and I too want my time and money back...
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe.😊
Thanks! You too!
I’ve missed you bro 😢
Made my day 🎉
We're back to the usual schedule this week! Hope you're well champ :)
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The Pepsi sign kills the villain, so Pepsi is the real hero of the movie. Now, the three teenagers in the movie pre-date Peter Parker. They are spider women, so the gals somehow beat Peter Parker to the Spider Hero Universe. That puts Peter Parker fourth in his own universe before the explosion of other people, such as Miles Morales, as Spider-people. Now, I don't mind the expansion of the universe, but it seems as if the spread of spider powers has become something of an epidemic. I am surprised that everyone hasn't been infected with spider powers. Peter Parker really isn't that important, is he?
I'm glad they got this project out of the way so they can finally start working on Morbius 2.
Thank you, I kept hearing how bad this movie is but nobody explained exactly as well as you did
12:02 Wasn't sure if this was intentional or an accident until you mentioned the Calvin Klein Billboard
Sony Spider-Man Universe? More like Sony Spider-Man character Universe without Spider-Man.
The boys: Aaayyoo get off our table lets us eat out cheesesticks!
Hey I was wondering if you could maybe do some videos on the show "The 100" I feel like there's alot of interesting videos you could do on it like the grounders culture, religion, world events and other sci fi stuff
Can't believe we got this dumpster fire and not Batwoman!
These people, they never learn.
This movie felt like watching the long version of that Kendal Jenner pepsi commercial
But "da spider luke warm efforts..." 😅😅😅
> "Wanting to have their cake and eat it."
Its an odd expression, of course you can eat a cake you have. But eating a cake and still having it would be absurd.
From I have been told, the actual expression is "eating your cake and having it too." It was more in reference to the big fancy cakes people would often have more as a decoration or put on display. You can either eat the cake and it's gone. Or you can keep the cake and display it. You can't do both.
“She needs to be told what to do”, lol, oh man that should be the title of this movie.
I walked out the theater 😢
I was really disappointed, didn’t know how to feel since each scene wasn’t connected felt out of place.
Right off the bat, a critical interview with the movie writer.
'The script needed it to happen...'
Hearing a lot of that in this movie.
'This propels Product Placement to a protagonist.' I choked on my coffee at this...
One sad thing about movie is that it'll cause other female led movies to be held off or just plain cancelled.
I'd heard Dakota Johnson fired her agent after this movie?
There was never any possibility that I would see this movie.
Thank you for validating that decision, and enduring so that the innocent need not suffer.
The bad guy's spider suit looked cool.
Sounds like they had a workable premise: Cassie does not know who she is...she starts developing an ability she does not understand...she wants to help others, but is not sure how...she has to learn about herself and her powers, while also mentoring younger women...they all have to face a life threatening challenge from a superpowered being who went to the dark side...etc...
This could have been a worthwhile movie. Such a waste.
Yes! Pepsi Man was such a missed opportunity.
The scene where Ezekiel is talking about dreaming about having a vision where he gets murdered by three Spider-Femmes was almost incomprehensibly clever.
He gets his stuff ruined and sits down, and right before he dies he gazes up at them and goes, "They're moving in herds. They _do_ move in herds."
It brings a tear to my eye just to recall it.
Any updates on the Warhammer40k series? I really enjoyed your last video
Sony is just getting by on the marvel brand. Most of the people who paid to see this movie in theaters probably thought they were going to watch an MCU movie. If people didn’t see the marvel logo in the trailer for this train wreck it would’ve made even less money.
Dakota Johnson thought it was apart of the MCU until she found out she wasnt and was even hashtaging #MCU for the promotion of the movie on twitter lol
Where are they getting these writers?
They are cheap. That's all that matters.
If Sony are going to make movies about Villians as thier lead roles, they might as well give the lizard his Owen movie... or the Green Goblin or some other villian now if they wanna do it right now.
You forgot to mention how she used a map to navigate a forest she'd never been to and then used a phototo find a tree in the forest that hasent grown or changed in 30 years
Was there even a script when they first started filming? Were Sony execs even watching the dailies? Was Pepsi money required for the extensive reshoots? What a trainwreck?! Just...multiple points of failure here! They should have just wrote it off like WB did to Batgirl.
Why is it so hard for Sony to just have two spiderman villains fight each other? Like kraven vs morbious
I've tried searching, what is the name of the outro song?
It's a real shame. I really wanted it to be good and do well.
the "random spliced together" problem you're referencing is attempting to make you feel like the main character. similar to how the movie momento plays backwards (at least for part of the run time), which puts you into the shoes of the main character who doesn't have short term memory. doesn't make the movie suddenly good, but at least explains what they were trying to do.
some other youtube channel said it best when it said that this movie felt like the worlds longest teaser trailer for another movie.
Best part of this movie was the knock off Spiderman going “its spider time” obviously a call back to morbing time connecting all the Sony spiderverse movies.
My favorite part was when Madame Web yelled it's Morbin time, then shot some web out and swung through time.
The power of Pepsi huh? Hitting water is similar to hitting concrete, so I guess that's how she broke her back lol
I can't help but hear nonsense "his equal" for Ezekiel. I guess that makes sense considering the rest of the movie.
Can you explain the history of Jason Voorhees life
why we didnt just get a gwen movie..... i have no idea
One of the things I didn’t understand about Madame Web was how Sony treated we the audience as being so stupid, example being the Anya Corazon character.
I remember in the film Anya’s landlord knocks on her door, looking to talk to Anya’s dad about his late rent, well remember Anya is underage in the film.
There was no indication she had a job, according to her she told the Spider girls, that her dad got deported 6 months ago and her mom died when she was five.
It’s like another plot hole.
Dad got deported six months ago.
Who was paying the rent, electricity, water in that apartment, the past 6 months?
Made absolutely no sense, that the only adult in the house gets deported 6 months ago, now the landlord looks for his rent 6 months later.
I watched Morbius and was very disappointed in it. It was drawn out with a cliché villain a very bland plot and a not very impressive ending. Its ok at best. I never read the comics so not sure how close it is. I can imagine the comic book writers could have done a much better job on the film though. So i cant imagine the same guys that did Morbius could do any better with this one.
I droned through this I'm sorry you had to make it
Noooo, not Pepsiiii! What have you done!? You were the chosen one! You weren't supposed to join the alphabet side!
Sony made a massive mistake giving the Morbius writers Madame Web both major Marvel failures!
Her web connects them all :D
What’s crazy is this was released while WB canned good movies
I remember when the meme for Morbius happen. Is Morbin time sony took it the wrong way and re released Morbius because of that meme. Sony lost even more money they are clearly not very bright. I wonder they will take it the wrong way again with the Madame web meme as well.
Now that ive seen the director and writers i fully understand why this failed so epically.
So it's Morbius 2.
If they had asked me to make this movie I would have cast Jamie Lee Curtis as old madam web. Then after auditioning this girl and realizing she has no acting ability picked another to play the young madam web. Instead of her rescuing three future female spiderwomen, have her rescue Peter parker as a child from someone trying to kill him in the past. Easy and simple.