Jon keeps describing a unit's capability with the phrase, "They should do a competent job." Then he proceeds to get said unit annihilated. Jon, I do not think, "They should do a competent job", means what you think it means.
Man 1: THE MONGOLS ARE COMING , THE MONGOLS ARE COMING! Citizens: Who? Man 2: THE TIMURIDS ARE COMING, THE TIMURIDS ARE COMING! Citizens: (starts screaming terror)
Jon seemed about as interested in his new faction heir as he was in his two, new cities. Anybody else wishing he'd shown us a peek at what Budapest and Vienna had in 'em? ='[.]'=
Something that annoyed me a wee bit about the Total War franchise was that say your faction gathered a terrifying amount of strength, other factions would not avoid a war with you, especially one they had no chance at all of winning. And often once they'd nearly been defeated they often would still not accept peace. In Empire TW for example, Spain attacked me (Russia?) by through blockade, and within two turns I had landed an army in their only province in their home continent and were wiped out because of that. It would be nice if there were a build up of arms of the enemy before a war to make it more challenging.
Michael Caine: Remember what the general said; we're the cavalry. It would be bad form to arrive in advance of schedule. In the nick of time would do nicely.
What is it with Jon and leaving the better part of his army a mile away from the city walls? Gates open should mean everybody in! Also, if I recall correctly, LADDERS don't burn down! =>[.]
Jon, here's a good strategy for when you have the numerical advantage: Build several sets of ladders (preferred), or towers. Space them out around the three sides of the city you have access to, and keep them separate from the rest of your army--keep your main force close to a gate. After the battle starts, only advance with towers that have the least defense against them. The garrison will be quick to try to counter, this will hopefully make additional openings for other towers. If done correctly, you should be able to get at least one division onto the walls without taking any arrow fire. The first groups onto the walls will inevitably be sacrificed to keep the garrison busy. Once you have one or two divisions on the walls with no garrison nearby to fight them, make a b-line for the town square. Set up these divisions on the town square to keep enemy forces off of it--as if you were now defending. This will cause the AI to act as if you just kicked its beehive. They will recklessly abandon everything to try to retake the town square. At this point, send one of your wall-takers to open the front door, so your main force can Waltz right in. If the square defenders are positioned well, even routing enemies won't be able to reach the square--if the defenders suck, then at least they gave you a distraction. At this point, pursue and cut down any remaining forces, if there are any. It's like a stealth siege.
Holy Father, I promise I will save Christendom! I shall build an army of True Catholic Believers, and destroy Denmark! *notices the Popes dainty, feminine hands* Were you made eunuch as a child like me, Holy Father?
I have to wonder if he's playing on some kind of tiny screen/far away or if his eyesight is so bad but he just never mentioned it and people think he misses things from being careless..?
Is it just me or do Siege Towers seem really underpowered? They cost the most build-points out of the other options, but are susceptible to flames (which ladders aren't) and cannot break a gate (which a ram can). What exactly is their purpose?
SweetWheatsy Simple. Rushing loads of more men at once. If done with ladders, I find it that the assault fails more often due to men being cut down individually.
SweetWheatsy Not necessarily. It is more that the men on the walls have more enemies to focus on to kill than they do with ladders. Plus once on the walls the towers protect your men from projectile fire.
Assuming they don't simply burn down on the way. Better to lose men assaulting the walls than being shot waiting in a half-mile queue to go up the one, surviving tower, or not getting up to the wall-top at all. ='[.]'=
The men climb a siege tower at the same rate as they do the ladders. The main benefit of siege towers is that the men at the top don't go onto the walls until a group of them are at the top, then the siege tower opens a gate that it has at the very top, releasing the men onto the walls and forcing the enemy to fight a group of enemies from the start, giving the attackers an advantage.
When video started and i saw Jon preparing for mongols WITHOUT any ballistas, i wept. What are you doing Jon? You choke mongols at the gates with maaaaaaany spearman then shot flaming bolts into the mosh pit. thats like "fighting mongols 101.
I realized total war games were from the era of actually reading manuals. If you're picking them up recently, I recommend at least skimming them. I learned a fair bit
What's easy for folks to forget is that commenting during gameplay is extremely hard. I think Jon is the only TW player who does it, because it massively effects how well one plays. Maybe Jon's perception stat would be better if he never spoke during gameplay, but that's not the content he makes, and pro, min-maxing gameplay is not what I come to this channel for. But that's just me.
@@lordoflosttime I think what people forget is that watching someone play a game is extremely easy. I'm sure Jon's perception stat would be much better if he was watching someone else play.
I feel like Jon was like "I'm gonna take over hungray in 1 turn and its gonna be awesome" than totally forgot attacked one city than only remembered the other 2 by accident and didn't even finish Hungray off.
"We have WARP LIGHTNING THROWERS!!!" enemy hides in a bush, never see them properly used... "WE HAVE CANNONS!" enemy hides at the bottom of a bowl of milk, we don't see anything. WAR...WAR NEVER CHANGES...
Now with Medieval II's campaign leaning towards its end and a new DLC and update coming for Rome 2, wouldn't that be the perfect opportunity to play it?
Holy shit dude, I hope you're no witch, otherwise the inquisition will burn you PS: Game of Thrones fans should just hide in their basements, playing the Game of Thrones Mod of Mount and Blade, until the last season is out.
I just want to point out that at around episode 15, I heard the Mongols were in the game and skipped ahead to see their invasion. And here I am, all caught up.
Yeah, my comment was making a joke about him calling the dismounted feudals Norse archers but for some reason when I posted it I felt like I needed to include Jon's full sentence.
+ Raycheetah No, they didn't spent their money on huge doom stacks and kept them doing nothing in cities, and spent money on economy rather than useless armouries in cities far from the war. Jon is terrible in managing his economy,it almost makes it unbearable to watch. Merchants could be useful but you can have great economy without them as well.
Been determined not to comment cuz of how old these videos are but I have to know when you're attacking why don't you wait until a clear day to start deployment so you don't have to fight in the fog?
The following is a message for (what I assume is) a company called G-Shock. I have no Idea who you are, or what you do. I suggest changing your marketing tactics.
better to autoresolve a siege with multiple armies than fight it and suffer huge losses having to kill everyone when in auto resolve they might not even lose half their men before they lose the battle, especially if you're leaving an army to AI control
So this is going to be a wildly unpopular opinion, but I really wish Jon would stop showing every battle. We just don't need to see the smaller ones anymore. It's nothing against him, he's great at commentary and keeps me engaged, but the battles in Europe at this point are now all functionally exactly the same. He goes in, steamrolls whatever crappy little army that opposes him and takes whatever crappy little settlement that won't ever do anything useful. Even though the Mongols have taken a ludicrously long time to do anything, we could have seen them by now if he just cut out some of the smaller, uninteresting battles. I think he did it once or twice before, but I don't think that's nearly enough, honestly.
This would make sense, and he talked about skipping turns a while back and the sperg brigade shouted him down. His community has some gems, and is less toxic than a lot of youtubers, but in the end there’s just as many circlejerking fanbois and gurls.
I don't agree with you. First, if he's not gonna show the fight, he might as well just auto-resolve them, which isn't always the best cours of action. Otherwise, if he still has to do the fights and just cut it off, we'll end up with shorter videos. (Don't want Jon to burn himself out playing 4h just to get 1h of video.) Second, if some of the fights don't interest you, you can always skip ahead on the video and get the results you seek. Because yes, him just cutting off the smaller fights from the videos is just gonna do that - make the videos shorter. Finally, asking him to produce a hour long video while still manually doing all the fights and cutting off the "uninteresting ones" (by your opinion) is petty, since it's Jon doing all the work for his channel. You said it yourself, his commentaries of the fights he does is great. So let the ones enjoying it be able to.
Gasp! He called them "Ranged Units" instead of "Indirect Fire!" **faints**
Maybe his dismounted huscarls ran out of ammunition in their axes for direct fire, so he doesn't have to make a distinction anymore :P
Jon keeps describing a unit's capability with the phrase, "They should do a competent job." Then he proceeds to get said unit annihilated. Jon, I do not think, "They should do a competent job", means what you think it means.
Competent:
Synonym- See: Shit-tacular
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"The Danish have learned something from the invasion of England: The ancient art of Queuing!"
Man 1: THE MONGOLS ARE COMING , THE MONGOLS ARE COMING!
Citizens: Who?
Man 2: THE TIMURIDS ARE COMING, THE TIMURIDS ARE COMING!
Citizens: (starts screaming terror)
Watchman: Wait they are attacking eachother
"And my reinforcements are under AI control, so they should do a good job."
Uh, Jon...
complains the reinforcements aren't advancing, has half his army standing outside the walls doing nothing when they could be flanking
jon please show the family tree, you havent in a while and I want to know who the next faction leader since the heir died last episode
^This
I'm pretty sure it's one of the blokes in Antioch or Aleppo his name flashed up as prince something
Jon seemed about as interested in his new faction heir as he was in his two, new cities. Anybody else wishing he'd shown us a peek at what Budapest and Vienna had in 'em? ='[.]'=
Hi my names craig
Something that annoyed me a wee bit about the Total War franchise was that say your faction gathered a terrifying amount of strength, other factions would not avoid a war with you, especially one they had no chance at all of winning. And often once they'd nearly been defeated they often would still not accept peace.
In Empire TW for example, Spain attacked me (Russia?) by through blockade, and within two turns I had landed an army in their only province in their home continent and were wiped out because of that. It would be nice if there were a build up of arms of the enemy before a war to make it more challenging.
Thanks man, i'll check it out!
"Stop dying, you cowards!"
- Jon, 2017
Channeling his inner Zapp Brannigan?
MWSin1 was just thinking the same thing.
Michael Caine: Remember what the general said; we're the cavalry. It would be bad form to arrive in advance of schedule. In the nick of time would do nicely.
MWSin1 Pretty sure Edward Fox says that line... not certain... A Bridge (Battle) too far
Edward Fox played Lt. General Horrocks, about whom Michael Caine was speaking, if my memory of the scene is correct.
What is it with Jon and leaving the better part of his army a mile away from the city walls? Gates open should mean everybody in! Also, if I recall correctly, LADDERS don't burn down! =>[.]
No no, Jon said he could've waited another turn and built more towers :P
Out of kindling and oilpaper. =9[.]9=
The siege of Vienna would have gone much smoother were you not quite so horrible at remembering to BRING UP YOUR OTHER FORCES, JON!
Jon, here's a good strategy for when you have the numerical advantage:
Build several sets of ladders (preferred), or towers. Space them out around the three sides of the city you have access to, and keep them separate from the rest of your army--keep your main force close to a gate. After the battle starts, only advance with towers that have the least defense against them. The garrison will be quick to try to counter, this will hopefully make additional openings for other towers. If done correctly, you should be able to get at least one division onto the walls without taking any arrow fire. The first groups onto the walls will inevitably be sacrificed to keep the garrison busy. Once you have one or two divisions on the walls with no garrison nearby to fight them, make a b-line for the town square. Set up these divisions on the town square to keep enemy forces off of it--as if you were now defending. This will cause the AI to act as if you just kicked its beehive. They will recklessly abandon everything to try to retake the town square. At this point, send one of your wall-takers to open the front door, so your main force can Waltz right in. If the square defenders are positioned well, even routing enemies won't be able to reach the square--if the defenders suck, then at least they gave you a distraction. At this point, pursue and cut down any remaining forces, if there are any.
It's like a stealth siege.
He did this a few times in his R:TW playthrough, but he stopped because it felt sorta cheaty, or something along those lines.
Jon gets excited when Hungarians expose themselves...
Your other cavalry is fluffing your cavalry charges. Space them out a bit and it should work better.
*sigh* FINE yes just attack another Catholic faction. I’M SURE THAT’LL WORK OUT JUST FINE
His Popeyness soon there will only be one Catholic faction left other than, you
Holy Father, I promise I will save Christendom! I shall build an army of True Catholic Believers, and destroy Denmark!
*notices the Popes dainty, feminine hands*
Were you made eunuch as a child like me, Holy Father?
Jon not seeing the reeinforcements in the first battle, hurts..
I think at this point he's now on about -25 perception. :P
Atleast yes! :D
I have to wonder if he's playing on some kind of tiny screen/far away or if his eyesight is so bad but he just never mentioned it and people think he misses things from being careless..?
These puns just get better and better
JoshBoii Turbo puns!
JoshBoii you could say you're Hungary for more
Is it just me or do Siege Towers seem really underpowered? They cost the most build-points out of the other options, but are susceptible to flames (which ladders aren't) and cannot break a gate (which a ram can). What exactly is their purpose?
SweetWheatsy Simple. Rushing loads of more men at once. If done with ladders, I find it that the assault fails more often due to men being cut down individually.
So it is faster for several troops to ascend, compared to ladders? That's fair
SweetWheatsy Not necessarily. It is more that the men on the walls have more enemies to focus on to kill than they do with ladders. Plus once on the walls the towers protect your men from projectile fire.
Assuming they don't simply burn down on the way. Better to lose men assaulting the walls than being shot waiting in a half-mile queue to go up the one, surviving tower, or not getting up to the wall-top at all. ='[.]'=
The men climb a siege tower at the same rate as they do the ladders. The main benefit of siege towers is that the men at the top don't go onto the walls until a group of them are at the top, then the siege tower opens a gate that it has at the very top, releasing the men onto the walls and forcing the enemy to fight a group of enemies from the start, giving the attackers an advantage.
By the Holy Lord Above, a new total war video!
The reason that you couldn't attack the crossbow men with the war clerks was probably because there was 1 person that was still on the wall
I'm a little upset you didn't title this video "Vienna Waits For You", but I will accept Desperately Hungary as a equally suitable title.
Jacob Waybright - Hungary for Vienna?
Jon was struggling looking like things would crumble and fall apart. Then the winged hussars arrived
At Antioch, use the bridge with spears and artillery to negate some of the hordes' advantages.
Some day we will fight the Mongols.....
romeinprogress that day I will not live to see
"Luckily I think we lost like 2 horses in that engagement." *At least 4 dead horses right in shot.
When video started and i saw Jon preparing for mongols WITHOUT any ballistas, i wept. What are you doing Jon? You choke mongols at the gates with maaaaaaany spearman then shot flaming bolts into the mosh pit. thats like "fighting mongols 101.
Pah - there's plenty of other hilarious artillery too, and we're teching to it as fast as possible...
WE WANT MONSTER RIBAULTS! WE WANT MONSTER RIBAULTS!
Denmark doesn't get monster ribaults.
snowisthebestweather that's because you don't believe.
Jon I love you, but promise me you will never lead a real army.. or a real anything
You should’ve moved you general into the city in that siege. Maybe your troops would’ve fought longer. But you won anyway so eh
I realized total war games were from the era of actually reading manuals. If you're picking them up recently, I recommend at least skimming them. I learned a fair bit
You need to rename Vienna to Greater Hungary
YES YES YES!
Hungrier
yep
Adana know if I should raise my hopes about a mongol invasion finally happening or not!
During the last battle, you might say that the cavalry finally arrived.
Everyone yelling at the presenter that he's terrible at the game in the comments while he effortlessly steamrolls the world is pretty funny.
What's easy for folks to forget is that commenting during gameplay is extremely hard. I think Jon is the only TW player who does it, because it massively effects how well one plays. Maybe Jon's perception stat would be better if he never spoke during gameplay, but that's not the content he makes, and pro, min-maxing gameplay is not what I come to this channel for. But that's just me.
@@lordoflosttime I think what people forget is that watching someone play a game is extremely easy. I'm sure Jon's perception stat would be much better if he was watching someone else play.
I feel like Jon was like "I'm gonna take over hungray in 1 turn and its gonna be awesome" than totally forgot attacked one city than only remembered the other 2 by accident and didn't even finish Hungray off.
Vienna, this means nothing to me.
"We have WARP LIGHTNING THROWERS!!!" enemy hides in a bush, never see them properly used... "WE HAVE CANNONS!" enemy hides at the bottom of a bowl of milk, we don't see anything.
WAR...WAR NEVER CHANGES...
Hey Jon can you play total war napoleon or shogun 2 those are great total war games
I kinda love the bodies from the Q of Death.
Now with Medieval II's campaign leaning towards its end and a new DLC and update coming for Rome 2, wouldn't that be the perfect opportunity to play it?
Sam Weighill-Smith ok
Sam Weighill-Smith That seems a bit harsh...
the only bad thing about Rome II is that Rome as an AI-faction sucks and gets wiped out after 30 turns.
Holy shit dude, I hope you're no witch, otherwise the inquisition will burn you
PS: Game of Thrones fans should just hide in their basements, playing the Game of Thrones Mod of Mount and Blade, until the last season is out.
Lenny Stoat Jon not John
The Pavise! the Pavise never stop coming!
I just want to point out that at around episode 15, I heard the Mongols were in the game and skipped ahead to see their invasion. And here I am, all caught up.
Says he only lost like two horses but six bodies are clearly seen in the background
Train heavy infantry *clicks on dismounted huscarls* and some Norse archers *clicks on dismounted feudal knights*
Dismounted huscarls are heavy infantry
Yeah, my comment was making a joke about him calling the dismounted feudals Norse archers but for some reason when I posted it I felt like I needed to include Jon's full sentence.
saldy, the best part of the day
Nose 123 IKR
Good old times when he planned the defense in Acca, lol
I've seen people who play that game for the first time have better economy than Jon...
Those players probably maintain a good stock of merchants on valuable resources and also relieve their ports when blockaded. =9[.]9=
+ Raycheetah No, they didn't spent their money on huge doom stacks and kept them doing nothing in cities, and spent money on economy rather than useless armouries in cities far from the war. Jon is terrible in managing his economy,it almost makes it unbearable to watch. Merchants could be useful but you can have great economy without them as well.
Fair enough. I've come to the conclusion that Jon is really just here for the battles, and everything else has become a bother. ='[.]'=
good video Jon
AND THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED, COMING DOWN FROM THE WALL SIDE
Just letting you know that I watched this. Thanks for the video!
toaofpi
Well laady-flipping-daa
I dread the idea of protracted wall fighting with Spanish troops...
Will you play Empire Total War after this?
love the Iberian battle music
Jon team up with the remnant of Rome to the east
Guiot in the Mist
Been determined not to comment cuz of how old these videos are but I have to know
when you're attacking why don't you wait until a clear day to start deployment so you don't have to fight in the fog?
I presume like with many things he just forgets most of the time. He did do that in the second battle but it just got worse.
29:04
The following is a message for (what I assume is) a company called G-Shock. I have no Idea who you are, or what you do. I suggest changing your marketing tactics.
better to autoresolve a siege with multiple armies than fight it and suffer huge losses having to kill everyone when in auto resolve they might not even lose half their men before they lose the battle, especially if you're leaving an army to AI control
But that's not very entertaining, is it? =0[.]o=
HELLO
So this is going to be a wildly unpopular opinion, but I really wish Jon would stop showing every battle. We just don't need to see the smaller ones anymore. It's nothing against him, he's great at commentary and keeps me engaged, but the battles in Europe at this point are now all functionally exactly the same. He goes in, steamrolls whatever crappy little army that opposes him and takes whatever crappy little settlement that won't ever do anything useful. Even though the Mongols have taken a ludicrously long time to do anything, we could have seen them by now if he just cut out some of the smaller, uninteresting battles. I think he did it once or twice before, but I don't think that's nearly enough, honestly.
I enjoy most of the battles, the fact the mongols have had weird AI and never arrived isn't really Jon's fault.
This would make sense, and he talked about skipping turns a while back and the sperg brigade shouted him down. His community has some gems, and is less toxic than a lot of youtubers, but in the end there’s just as many circlejerking fanbois and gurls.
I don't agree with you.
First, if he's not gonna show the fight, he might as well just auto-resolve them, which isn't always the best cours of action. Otherwise, if he still has to do the fights and just cut it off, we'll end up with shorter videos. (Don't want Jon to burn himself out playing 4h just to get 1h of video.)
Second, if some of the fights don't interest you, you can always skip ahead on the video and get the results you seek. Because yes, him just cutting off the smaller fights from the videos is just gonna do that - make the videos shorter.
Finally, asking him to produce a hour long video while still manually doing all the fights and cutting off the "uninteresting ones" (by your opinion) is petty, since it's Jon doing all the work for his channel. You said it yourself, his commentaries of the fights he does is great. So let the ones enjoying it be able to.
wince watching you let your crossbowmen get hit by a cavalry charge
OHHHHHHHHH Vienna