Your emphasis on how grody that was is hilarious. I'm the same way lol. Just changed mine on my K24 but never opened the old one. You did a great job explaining piece by piece 🤙
My 2015 honda fit rattles on startup found a company that sells replacement locking spring and Instuctions on how to replace the spring without removing the gear assy
Bonjour, j'ai une Honda fit 2015 également et j'ai le même problème. J'aimerais savoir si vous avez le lien de l'entreprise en question, j'aimerais changer juste les ressorts. Merci et bonne journée :-)
That’s why Honda says you don’t have to fix it if you could live with the noise because the thing is made of stainless steel, Toyota use aluminum so if you don’t get to it right away you’re in trouble
Hi. There are some videos out there regarding the Honda K24 and K20 engines, where they open up the front cover of the VTC actuator and than just take out the actual lock pin spring and stretch it and then they place it back in. Many claim that no more rattle after. What do you think about that? Thanks
I've seen your interest in this. I'd like to try this myself and the plan is to get back to recording in the next couple weeks. Thanks for your comments.
@@sleeperworksgarage Yes please do so, because I'm pretty sure all this time Honda kept quiet about this simple fix. How many spent thousands in repairs vs a cheap lock pin spring. I saw a report where Honda states that this lock pin is a cold start up safety to prevent rattling. So I guess we all got our answers here.... Heat + cheap made springs = week over time spring and rattling noise. Thanks
Great video; super thorough! Except I still have to check out how to remove it from the cam without making a dog's breakfast out of it. Question, though. Won't red loctite make it nearly impossible to remove later if needed, unless you use heat?
For there to be that much sludge inside the actuator I could imagine what the head must look like holy macro what’s up people change their oil man alive
Lol big facts! This vtc was literally laying on the junkyard floor attached to the cam still. 😅😅 it was only used for this video to see what's inside. It never got installed.
When I opened my R44 actuator on K24 engine it did not have the small cap like thing on the spring. Makes me think if that's the reason why R44 actuators were problematic (referring to cold start rattle)..as the spring does not have a guide over it to push the pin in locking position.
So we can machine the RBB gear as the RBC and we can have a 50 degree cam? actually we can be safe and grind/machine it to 40 degree instead so we don't have to add the safety pin.
No if the timing chain is rattling on startup its probably stretched. I would recommend a new oem timing chain, guides and tensioner and your rattle should be resolved.
@@sleeperworksgarage lots of CRV’S and Accords rattle on cold starts. This is an indication of a bad VTC actuator. You don’t need to replace the timing chain only the VTC actuator. It’s a known problem and there is an updated part from Honda.
@@RaulAyanami you could buy a whole new VTC, take the spring out and put it in your current one if you’re afraid. Worst case it doesn’t work and you know you have to replace the whole thing.
@@RaulAyanami yeah replacing the spring is an easy DIY with the right tools - only cost me around 50 bucks because I replaced the valve cover gasket too. Replacing the whole VTC is a tough job but would probably give you a longer term fix but it’s also 800+ at a shop.
@@sleeperworksgarage thanks for the reply, I unlocked it but seems like I've got a bigger issues as the dowel pin pushed in or snapped.. Not too sure what is my next step
@@sleeperworksgarage I’m working on my 2018 Honda civic lx and I have two actuators. The front exhaust one I took apart and there wasn’t oil in it, however the back intake one did have oil but no sludge like in the video. Does that mean intake actuator is bad??
I watched your video like 3 times and there is really nothing to this VTC actuator. I really need to find why the lock pin fails to lock and makes the rattle and this as been ongoing for over 8 years. This is just non sense...
@@sleeperworksgarage when you clean those use ones, do they still rattle after? Because if its a sludge problem, your used ones should not rattle after cleaning correct?
Your emphasis on how grody that was is hilarious. I'm the same way lol. Just changed mine on my K24 but never opened the old one. You did a great job explaining piece by piece 🤙
I always wanted to know what's inside those gears!! Great info!!
My 2015 honda fit rattles on startup found a company that sells replacement locking spring and Instuctions on how to replace the spring without removing the gear assy
Yeah, that's spring-start vtc. They have replacement vtc actuator springs for all Honda & Acura Vtc actuators.
Bonjour, j'ai une Honda fit 2015 également et j'ai le même problème. J'aimerais savoir si vous avez le lien de l'entreprise en question, j'aimerais changer juste les ressorts. Merci et bonne journée :-)
After a long time I saw the work of the Injil is very beautiful
Great job sir
I would’ve stretch the spring a little bit before I put it back that’s the reason they go bad the spring loses tension
Yes, but in this case is obvious that dirt oil or not regular maintenances is cous of problem.
Hi. have you ever done it on? Thanks
Great video.
Do they meet or sell different strengh springs?
That’s why Honda says you don’t have to fix it if you could live with the noise because the thing is made of stainless steel, Toyota use aluminum so if you don’t get to it right away you’re in trouble
Hi. There are some videos out there regarding the Honda K24 and K20 engines, where they open up the front cover of the VTC actuator and than just take out the actual lock pin spring and stretch it and then they place it back in. Many claim that no more rattle after. What do you think about that? Thanks
I've seen your interest in this. I'd like to try this myself and the plan is to get back to recording in the next couple weeks. Thanks for your comments.
@@sleeperworksgarage Yes please do so, because I'm pretty sure all this time Honda kept quiet about this simple fix. How many spent thousands in repairs vs a cheap lock pin spring. I saw a report where Honda states that this lock pin is a cold start up safety to prevent rattling. So I guess we all got our answers here.... Heat + cheap made springs = week over time spring and rattling noise. Thanks
springstart vtc has a spring kit for Hondas and acuras with the proper access bit
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How to get that VTC spring kit and access kit?
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springstart vtc
very good video.... what number of tork key 5 tip is used to loosen the screws.....thanks
So the PND cam gear has the 50* as the rbc?
Where can you buy the single spring?
Good job great info
Pity you did not rebuild it in the unlocked position as it needs to be unlocked to refit to the engine
Great video; super thorough! Except I still have to check out how to remove it from the cam without making a dog's breakfast out of it.
Question, though. Won't red loctite make it nearly impossible to remove later if needed, unless you use heat?
nice job 💪🏽
You installed it in Locked position? Right?
Try Spring-Start VTC for the rebuild kits
Hi mate do you know if i can install an RBC instead of RAZ?
For there to be that much sludge inside the actuator I could imagine what the head must look like holy macro what’s up people change their oil man alive
Lol big facts! This vtc was literally laying on the junkyard floor attached to the cam still. 😅😅 it was only used for this video to see what's inside. It never got installed.
When I opened my R44 actuator on K24 engine it did not have the small cap like thing on the spring. Makes me think if that's the reason why R44 actuators were problematic (referring to cold start rattle)..as the spring does not have a guide over it to push the pin in locking position.
So we can machine the RBB gear as the RBC and we can have a 50 degree cam? actually we can be safe and grind/machine it to 40 degree instead so we don't have to add the safety pin.
So what state are you in? Our granddaughter needs this part serviced on her 2014 CRV.
I'd like to replace spring in my Toyota corolla 2012, where can I buy this spring?
THANK YOU JESUS !
Have you ever came across a bad vtc gear that caused the timing chain to rattle on startup?. If so, would cleaning the way you did resolve that issue?
No if the timing chain is rattling on startup its probably stretched. I would recommend a new oem timing chain, guides and tensioner and your rattle should be resolved.
@@sleeperworksgarage lots of CRV’S and Accords rattle on cold starts. This is an indication of a bad VTC actuator. You don’t need to replace the timing chain only the VTC actuator. It’s a known problem and there is an updated part from Honda.
What cleaning solution you use bro
I used concentrated purple power but any concentrated degreaser will work.
@@sleeperworksgarage gracias senor
Does replacing the spring for a stronger or longer one prevent rattling for coming back?
Yes - done it with my CRV
@@AmritBanks i'm afraid that something bad may happen if it's too strong
@@RaulAyanami you could buy a whole new VTC, take the spring out and put it in your current one if you’re afraid. Worst case it doesn’t work and you know you have to replace the whole thing.
@@AmritBanks yeah, already bought one, but i'm looking for a permanent fix as opening the engine to replace it is expensive
@@RaulAyanami yeah replacing the spring is an easy DIY with the right tools - only cost me around 50 bucks because I replaced the valve cover gasket too. Replacing the whole VTC is a tough job but would probably give you a longer term fix but it’s also 800+ at a shop.
Thanks daddy
Shame you didn’t measure the spring, everyone is dying to know!
🤠💪💪💪
How do I unlock a new actuator?? I lock It by accident while installing it
@@sleeperworksgarage thanks for the reply, I unlocked it but seems like I've got a bigger issues as the dowel pin pushed in or snapped.. Not too sure what is my next step
Reach out to me on my Instagram (it's in the description) and send photos of what you mean.
@@sleeperworksgarage will do thank you for your time!
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I’m working on my 2018 Honda civic lx and I have two actuators. The front exhaust one I took apart and there wasn’t oil in it, however the back intake one did have oil but no sludge like in the video. Does that mean intake actuator is bad??
I watched your video like 3 times and there is really nothing to this VTC actuator. I really need to find why the lock pin fails to lock and makes the rattle and this as been ongoing for over 8 years. This is just non sense...
Yea it's a real simple design. I wonder if the port for oil that leads to it just clogs.
@@sleeperworksgarage when you clean those use ones, do they still rattle after? Because if its a sludge problem, your used ones should not rattle after cleaning correct?
@@Daniel-xq7ny I haven't tried it on any engines. The video was just to show what was inside and put it back together if anyone took it apart.
The spring fails. Spring-Start VTC
Did you figure out the problem? My thinking is that there is a worn oil check valve that lets the oil seep out of the actuator overnight.