The Case Against Time Zones.
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3:57 I think you got this backwards. The sun would rise at 10:16 in Western China and 6:54 in Eastern China.
I was about to comment the same
Agree, gonna upvote this comment to the top
Yep.
understandable mistake tho. another reason to get rid of timezones.
@@alveolate No, because China uses one time zone for the whole country, so it has in effect gotten rid of time zones.
Ok. But which region of the world should get the power to literally control time?
Greenwich probably
I mean, they already sorta do
I would stay with UTC, so 12:00 would be noon in Greenwhich, while where I live noon would be at circa 13:08. :)
No one? one region will get noon at 12:00pm but we already have Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and all timezones are based off deviation from UTC, New York is at -5 while most of Europe is +1 ect, just equalize at UTC.
our team of course
@@Nota-Skaven Providing a benefit to those already on UTC surely as they don’t have to change
I find myself agreeing with this one. Properly agreeing. That's a first.
Well, that's true for me as well! It's such a pain coordinating timezones. I'm even thinking about just making a OneTime website, to make coordination easier
Idk man. I'm pretty sure Fahrenheit is better than Celsius. Fite me!
The issue is that time as we measure it is suppose to relevant to the sun. The reason being is that if we had a universal time zone, then we would need another metric, say high noon, to practically know what time it is. Imagine landing in china and being told its 3pm and it's the dead of night. All time loses meaning outside of a standard of time.
@@digdougx Fahrenheit doesn't take into account the fact that we all experience temperature differently. A person in the Sahara Desert will have more heat resistance than someone in Canada, but less cold resistance. If Fahrenheit is a gauge for how hot things are to a human person, then it's pointless. Celsius acts like how money is to us, pegging the temperature to water to allow for a better, objective comparison based on how hot things are to purified water at sea level
@@dumdum8880 I think he said we'd use 'high noon' and other terms. I think it'd work best with the 24 hour clock
"In the age of Skype" seemed a bit off, considering Skype has been around for 18 years already.
I don't know if you had noticed this, but video conferencing has become a lot more popular recently for some reason...
@@92Pyromaniac No need to be passive aggressive about it. We’re all aware that video conferencing has become more popular... as none of us have been living under a rock. But perhaps changing the “age of Skype” to the “age of Zoom”, might have been more appropriate when referring to the recent 30x increase of videoconferencing during the pandemic because of Zoom.
Skype video calling didn't become big until the late 2000s, and the highspeed internet itself only went huge in the early to mid 2010s as smartphones got cheaper as well. (Some places still don't have much internet, some places don't even have electricity yet.)
We're still in the age of Skype. Ages traditionally last hundreds of years (or tens of thousands in the case of the Stone Age).
He also mentioned airplanes, which have been around longer than Skype. But your point stands.
Most issues with timezones come from one source and one source only: Daylight Savings Time. You finally remember the new offset between you and your overseas partner in business/gaming/love, and then it changes again. Get rid of DST first, and if that for some reason doesn't work, THEN start considering this video as an option.
UTC!
daylight saving* time, but yea fuck that thing altogether.
@@alveolate thanks!
Upvote this more
I feel like the biggest problem is having regions in which the parts of the day in which people are usually out and about being split between two different days, on the opposite side of the world from which the standard was based they would have every singles waking period split between two days which would be a complete nightmare. You could surely make an attempt to get countries to agree to a standard offset from UTC in 1 hour increments and also to consolidate some time zones but eliminating them entirely would lead to chaos.
Nothing will ever beat the Fahrenheit vs Celsius video.
@Mountain Whale -- now that's a hill to *die* on -- fixed that for you
@Mountain Whale haha I'm just kidding that he died on that hill because he was wrong
@@MisterFro9 well, it is an opinion, so it isn’t right or wrong
@@arcanum3882 is that your opinion?
Just watched it! 🤣 epic!!
One problem: some people live in an area where midnight would happen during the workday. So when your boss says "tomorrow," do they mean "in a few hours" or "the next time you come in?"
it would obviously default to "after next sunrise".
people will automatically adjust to becoming more precise about time when confusion would obviously arise. i would foresee most people switching to 24h clock as well, and it will be more common for people to say "in 24 hours' time" rather than "tomorrow" when it might be ambiguous.
the more interesting thing is... the concept of "days/dates" will actually become somewhat independent from "time", specifically desynced from daily events like sunrise/sunset. the 1st of a month will transition to the 2nd of a month on the exact same millisecond for all 8 billion of us on the planet together. we could have synchronous new year countdowns across the entire globe - and it would happen with the sun/moon in every possible position in the sky for that calendar date/equinox.
@@alveolate "tomorrow" could become "see you in 24" and likewise "in 3 days" would be "in 72".
It would depend if your boss lived in the same area. If he didn't it would be a bit silly to use that term because it invites confusion.
'Tomorrow' comes from the Middle English, from the preposition to + morrow. Morrow, which is an archaic or literary word meaning "the following day," comes from Middle English morwe, from Old English morgen.
'Day' is much more easily associated with a period of light as opposed to darkness. Hence, day and night. So 'tomorrow' really means the following period of light (or day), not necessarily after 12am.
'Midnight' means the middle of the night. Mid-Night. Which again is not necessarily 12am.
These terms, 'tomorrow', 'day' and 'midnight' are not originally based on a fixed number. Rather a relative cycling of day and night.
@@Milleniumone At which point people would essentially be observing a separate local calendar and timezone in a sense. People would begin to define days based on their own sunrise and sunset at which point the universal timezone would just add complication. Such a plan would basically take most the issues we experience translating time now and remove them from the international level of communication while adding the same issues to the day to day level where more people are effected.
Tomorrow has the root ‘morrow’, which means morning, which is not necessarily linked with time. You could define the morning as up until a certain time after sunrise.
Everyone should follow two time zones: the official single world-wide business time zone, and the local time of wherever you happen to be standing at that moment. We have the technology now to put location detection in every clock.
We ran the experiment twenty years ago with Swatch Internet Time. The success of that experiment can be easily assessed by the numerous people who will reply with "what is Swatch Internet Time"?
Also the time before timezone... we have timezones because everyone had their own clock and no one knew when anyone would be awake... the train industry hated it.
Are u really comparing some obscure experiment with something else that's intended to be state-mandated? Because the outcomes of the two are incomparable.
I have been on this train for years, and everyone thinks I’m crazy.
I FEEL SO SEEN
Same
Have y'all though of moving to China or Alaska?
Same.
I seen what you did there
Then you'll get tons of people asking each other how "early" or "late" it is where they are in different regions and never being able to arrive at concise answers, having to invent bizarre subjective measures. This would be more trouble than it's worth.
You've pointed out the very reason why timezones exist in the first place. I'm surprised he didn't address this objectection in the video.
@o m that's not precise enough for me.
@o m that's very vague - the point of time is to say where the sun is relative to where you are - if time loses all meaning, it's failed its one job
Another solution would be making a "Business Time" that's unconnected to the other time zones and just address meetings to that.
Polymatter and A Hill To Die On? We must be blessed.
I had thought they were both A Hill to Die On when I glanced at them in my subscriptions.
But I see now after your comment that the "Starbucks is a Bank" one was actually PolyMatter.
Don't forget Wendover
@Mountain Whale Both, or trio, are superb
3:54 Or, sometimes, they don't get accustomed and just ignore official time zones in favour of Xinjiang time, because making it marginally more convenient to coordinate schedules with someone over 2000 miles away doesn't justify the inconvenience of changing the definition of what any given time means.
yea i was wondering if polymatter actually checked with the xinjiang residents... i'm not sure myself, but i vaguely remember reading somewhere that dissidents in xinjiang prefer to use local time over beijing time as a show of defiance.
Also extrapolated across the whole world this effect would be even greater as no country would want to have to deal with the logistical nightmare of days changing at solar noon or at the time that would currently be considered say 6 pm. A huge portion of the world would have to deal with the day changing during waking hours which would be a complete disaster and lead local populations to observe their own time even if the governments somehow agreed to this type of plan.
@@alveolate I think I heard that Han Chinese residents use official Chinese time while Uyghur residents use a local time.
I was just arguing this side of a debate with a friend like three weeks ago. Great video! We did eventually end up agreeing that smaller more practical reforms to time zones would be better though, according to people’s circadian rhythms, and we talked about DST a lot too, definitely thought provoking.
If we're going to change time handling the 'hill to die on' is getting rid of the daylight savings shift; either go all year or not at all. Time zones are much less confusing to keep track of if the differences are consistent.
Your "solution" to the time zone problem is just times zones with extra steps.
nonono, its time zone (no s), with less steps
I think it would be harder to figure if it is appropriate to call based on a sunrise time. Also there is culture and common knowledge around time - books, scientific articles etc. Where time as we know it was important.
Here's one for you: let's simplify dates too! 365 / 28 = 13 months a year remainder 1 day (named, "New Year's Day", and any additional leap years, seconds etc, and should always be a holiday!). That way every numberic date would bear the same day name, and we could even hold some kind of thematic festival at the end of each month (whether they be taken from other cultures or invented like Japanese Tanabata which is from a Chinese fairytale). Please also adjust the festival based on seasons. I don't want my Halloween/harvest festival in Spring (southern hemisphere). It's just wrong. Our entire date time system really needs a big overhaul from a more global perspective.
P.s., and while we're at it, let's add on 10,000 years to our calendar to account for all of significant human history rather than some obscure and abitrary religious date.
Plus 12,021 has a nice ring to it and is a palindrome :3 THE FUTURE IS NOW!
Once humans start living on Mars, we'll have to get used to regional sunrise/sunset time differences, and so maybe we'll abolish time zones on Earth. Unless people on Mars like calculating time conversions in their heads because it distracts them from the boredom of living on Mars
@Mountain Whale Not really you don't have air but it's warmer and a dome can fix that besides you want Earth to be a city planet? And what would happen to us if Earth dies?
Actually, we could just put timezones on Mars when /if it's terraformed... and keep the same timezones. Why? Just use local time and relate that to UTC so if you are calling someone on an open-air planet Just go local time to local time... kinda like now.
@Mountain Whale About that all those issues you can fix but 0.5g. The poles have similar issues like you have to thaw topsoil and get to it on mars you just mess with it.
The poles have the issues of focusing radiation to them that what the aurora is on mars you can make a dome or go underground until you can fix it.
Your right though it is more of a preference than anything both are better than space but in different ways.
@Mountain Whale That's not really true Mars in terms of you can there is less reason to then building space stations. You have water, non-organic resources and you can make what you are missing from them or grow once there. Which population is another thing you can fit 1 trillion people on Earth if you make it into a city but it is easier to make space stations.
@Mountain Whale Because Space stations are easier to make and live in than Antarctica and mars. Which like I said it's easier to have space stations than have just Earth and Humanity has a population of 1 trillion.
The only reason not to is if you like to get out and stretch your legs and expand much easier.
Bescily never is a long time and people ain't going to stop having kids when we have options.
Next video: Starbucks aren't banks
lol
How would you communicate how early or late in the day/night it is? Currently, I can say "I got up at 4 AM" or "He couldn't go home till 1 AM" and everyone around the world would understand what that means(after translation). I can't think of a good way to do the same without time zones.
I feel like this would just lead to people artificially inventing timezones anyways to some degree you could probably simplify things to some degree by minimizing the amount of time zones within one country or a group of neighboring countries but entirely eliminating timezones would just lead to people leaning back on their now unofficial old timezone to figure out how to schedule their day which would only add to more confusion. Even if you somehow got most governments to agree on a universals time standard and make it official locally people would resist.
First things first. Abolish Daylight Savings Time. I can live with time zones since I don't have to leave one 99% of the time, but DST is so dumb. Every year we have to change the clock twice for no good reason. At least internet access has automated it a bit, but still...
as a software dev - I feel like abolishing timezones will bring world peace
Checking the sunset time doesn't work that well since it also depends on the season and how far from the equator the place is
Also having one "timezone" is more future proof for when humanity finally leaves this tiny rock in space. Timezones in space would be even more of a nightmare than it is here on earth, but equally as stupid.
So in other words, not only do I agree, I wholeheartedly agree.
so when does the day changes? at midnight? so you the day will change while you mid-work? it doesn't make sense.
yeah, from an astronomical perspective "midnight" is not always exactly the exact middle of the night, but for most people, the day change happen while they seep so id doesn't matter
There are companies that have their definition of when a day starts different that what it already is. Example, there was a company I worked for that had the day start at 7pm or 19:00.
So, companies can already shift what constitutes a day. I don't see how it would be a problem for workers.
@@confusedwhale
most companies aren't and can't work like this, it would only complicate things
do you really think it is reasonable to change a day while the sun is in the middle of the sky and you having lunch?
also, a-lot of religious practices depend on at least synchronization between clock time and day time.
@@YoniIsrael:
You aren't understanding what I'm saying.
I said that the number that defines when a new work day can be changes.
Therefore, whether we all go to UTC or now will not effect the level of sun you have around you when you start the work day. It will only change what the number is called when you get there.
My example of starting the day at 7pm/19:00 was to get around overtime requirements and second shift, which happened to start around sunset where I am.
@@confusedwhale
I'm not talking about workday, I'm talking about the actual day
I say get rid of daylight savings. Time zones are good.
I'm not one of those people who hates on america just because "lol murica amirite", but daylight savings is just so fucking stupid. I mean I guess there's a point to it, but the inconveniences it brings far outweigh its benefits.
@@tarsierontherun No longer there is even a point for it.
This is a good point, but something that would be more confusing this way is when you go to a different continent, you have no sense of what *time* it is: at what time you can expect shops to be open, at what time is it reasonable to invite someone to lunch, etc.
You would get used to it, the problem would be with people who are only travelling for a few days.
My only problem with this is who decides what time everything happens?
I’m imagining a situation where you might have several towns in a small area that all do things as if they were in 2-3 different time zones.
Idk, but it could be an issue if everyone isn’t onboard with when things should happen now
I mean it would make sense to set it to India and china time . Covers the most population (with neighbouring countries almost 40% of humanity) but there is no way everybody would agreed to this
@@prathamrawal5757 I’m not sure how that relates to what I said lol 😅
Love the concept of this channel
New Years celebrations are the only thing I could imagine as a negative.
Sure you’d have a massive global celebration, but for some a mid day celebration would be weird, overall though not a big deal for the benefits this would have.
I mean, it would reck havoc with it systems and business but I would prefer it if days switched at sunrise, years at solstice and months at new moon
I think it would be super cool if we just adjusted new years while we're at it and make it be the solstice properly (instead of 9 days after as it is now). The solstice is a precise moment in time, for the whole world. Imagine the mad countdown we could have!
@@johannesfalk8146 What a weird but interesting idea.
@@johannesfalk8146 This is the hill I will die on.
Hey, I live in a time zone that doesn't do that crazy "saving times" trick. But mobility may make this "against time zones" a little difficult. We in Canada cope with this all the time and in SK it's even crazier as we try to track where we are in relation to the rest of our nation (sigh).
Well, whether you have to look up "local time" vs "sunrise time" for coordination doesn't make much difference - the real killer is DST and it's different onsets, such that looking up "local time" today for a meeting/flight tomorrow might be insufficient. Not to mention it creates times that "do not exist" and "unaddressable" times, such that you'd effectively *always* need to specify the (local) timezone anyway :-) Oh, and the millions of hours software developers put into this and still got it wrong ;-)
But yes, generally I agree. Do away with the whole thing. Sunrise time isn't a constant *anyway*, with winter/summer, DST and - well, stretched timezones.
This is actually an opinion I think most people would agree with.
Tell that to bob, bob don't care about your opinion, he don't like that he has to wake up at 2 am or 9 pm.
I think summer and winter time is stupid, just solves the problem for another month and then its dark up dark home anyway but timezones are complicated - but i find the analogy of phone cahrgers very fitting ... you simplify and make it more complicated in the long run. and that works well also with time zones. I live in a country that has one simple timezone, UTC+1 so the whole inter country timeshift is foreign to me, but i agree to your points. Especially if we decide to go interplanetary, we would have enough issues there just defining time... go figure if you had to layer timezones ontop of that.
Ramble:
Like apple, sticking with the lightning connector but putting a L-USBC cable in the box where most people only have very few usbC devices at home if any at all, let alone a usb C charger... and they put that L-C cable... in the SE - the phone most probably bought by people less "tec savy"... jeez ... and yes i see myself rather tec savy , i have a high end gaming rig and several devices else but i only own ONE usbC device (sony headphones) - and i actually dont care if a device doesnt have C i just use the right cable to charge it with - i even have one that has a tentacle end with 3 connectors (c,micro,L) ... solved. But i honestly would never want my whole home lighting controlled by an app. That reference to the google service going offline because a webserver flaked up.... and you sitting in a dark room because of it... i actually laugh at people that are so dumb to rely 100% on something like that. And im baffled that those bulbs dont have a fallback option when the server is offline they just behave like regular bulbs (on/off if power is there)
@@Axonteer That was an extremely long explanation for something that was oversimplified
Checking sunset times to estimate whether someone is asleep or not does not make much sense for those who live far north/south.
It's gonna be annoying this Christmas when I'm enjoying my holiday and suddenly mid-day rolls around and I gotta go back to work because it's December 26.
one problem, say that a show is announced to go live at 5:00 pm. People in one region would get to watch the show at a normal time in the late afternoon, how ever almost half of the people would have to watch it in the middle of the night, or super early in the morning.
That is already happening
@@BenjaminKeller lol
Here in the UK we can't even agree to stop using the old wartime daylight savings system, even though people almost universally hate it and find it confusing. Whenever stopping it is brought up, arguments are usually made such as 'but children in Scotland would have to go to school in the dark in winter'. So.. why not just start school an hour later rather than having an hour which magically disappears once a year and then awkwardly tries to muscle in with it's identical twin 6 months later (yeah, we actually have a day where there is no 1am-2am period at all, and then one where 1am-2am is two hours long).
I imagine for a generation or two this would mean that there would be secret, underground timezones.
In the military work can be done with support from people all over the world. From those on the ground in Afghanistan communicating with people in Qatar, Germany, D.C. to help with coordinating they just use Zulu time (GMT)
3:45 I am so confused. Sun rise from the west?
Sun rises from the east = the western part got the sunlight first. Think it this way, western time zone has 'lower' time than eastern. London GMT+0, Berlin GMT+1
@@reynanhenry612 This is incorrect. The sun rises in the east so the eastern part gets sunlight first. Germany's timezone is ahead because they get sunlight before the UK, because Germany is further east.
I love my Hawaii time zone in the sense that I’m either always 11/12 hours behind most of continental Western Europe.
One thing this doesn't account for is that in many parts of the world what day it is would change in the middle of the work day or even if not during what we now call the 9-5 workday at times at which most people are awake, about and active. This would be a complete logistical nightmare. Assuming that UTC were adopted as the standard then places around what is currently UTC -12 or +12 would have their work days and waking hours constantly divided between two calendar days and two days of the week which would be a nightmare.
It says Alaska is on a single time zone but that's not true. The western-most Aleutian Islands are in Hawaii's time zone.
The main problem is that one would want the date to change (midnight) to be while they are sleeping. The continental US could adopt a single time zone, but it would still make sense to have more than one in the world.
Maybe. This is probably one of your less certain ones. Most the time I don’t travel, especially recently, so it doesn’t really effect things. Plus it adds confusion of when the “dinner time” is for where you are.
1. The biggest argument against this is the fact that one country will have ''true'' time, and no country will let that happen on their watch. [The prime meridian in Greenwich was only successful as England had the biggest navy & one of the countries with worldwide reach at that time (not today's case].
2. Another problem is unofficial time, for example- many people in western china follow a much earlier timezone unofficially.
3. And finally, when is tomorrow? 20 mins later when it's past 24:00 but the sun's in the sky. Or is it when your actual midnight/noon occurs. If so, how accurate? 1 second? 1 min? 1 hour? Then won't it be a pseudo-timezone?
I agree but the main problems are: a) Choosing the primary time, & b) Getting everyone to use the primary time
I would advocate for GMT to be the primary time, since it already effectively is the primary time for all intents & purposes (timezones are typically measured in how far they are from GMT). Though I may be biased since I normally use GMT so nothing much would change.
But getting billions of people around the world to start using GMT would be painful and would, if embarked upon, be a century long endeavour at least. It would confuse the vast majority initially, and many would probably resort to using their usual timezones. It might also be rejected for political reasons.
I could perhaps see prominent international businesses adopting the change though, and maybe as they started using it more regional & then local businesses would change as well, with the practice being gradually transmitted to the masses as they become acclimatised to this way of thinking about time.
in the southern hemisphere december january and other winter months are summer, they don't need to switch the names, the month just means different weather to different people. Why couldn't this be done with time
Thanks for another good video. However, Alaska has two time zones. The far western Aleutian Islands are in the the same time zone as Hawaii.
Actually, Alaska uses 2 time zones, AST/DT, and HAST/DT. They also don't have enough big cities for time zones to matter.
Space colonisation will necessitate an interplanetary time standard, probably not even based off Earth-centric concepts like day, month or year. The unix epoch, which roughly starts at humanity's first concrete step into space, could be used for this. A simple duodecimal (radix-12) declaration would suffice, with suitable groupings of magnitude depending on social purpose. For instance, the 2021 National Hat Day would be 38b.4b0.000.
I think we should have local and global/universal time. Local would be for talking to people in your time zone and the same times are associated with the same thing for everyone. Then universal time would be for scheduling across time zones so it's easier to schedule those meetings.
Eh, there's already UTC for that
It's about time.
that's a surprisingly brilliant and obvious idea!
In this hypothetical Earth, I motion that we ban 12-hour time and switch over to 24-hour time for the simplification of all.
3:45 WHAT?!? That makes no sense. Even with China’s single time zone, the sun still rises in the east and sets in the west. So the earlier sunrise time should be on the right and the later on the left. Unless there’s something really big that I don’t know about January 1st...
No, it's correct. It's quite difficult to explain in words why unless you imagine the globe moving.
@@user-ef8kc4rv7n I was imagining all I could and now I just feel trolled.
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Doesn't make sense to me, either. I looked up the time of sunrise for Kashgar and it's at 10:08. So i guess he messed that one up?
@@user-ef8kc4rv7n No… it’s not. The Earth spins in an eastern rotation that means ground moves from left to right as seen on a map. The sun always rises earlier in the east than in does in the west. It’s only been that way since at least the first humans walked the earth. I was just being a little sarcastic in my previous post, but he just made a mistake. His times should have been switched.
In Russia, trains run on Moscow time, but what it does is that you need to have two watches while travelling.
Totally agree!!!
Yet we can't even agree on using a 12 or 24 hr clock format
I agree with this, but the problem would be getting all the world leadeing politicians, their egos and their local reputations as "strong leaders" to agree on which current time to adopt globally.
I just can't see the US adopt chinese time or the reverse.
I have never thought about this and I think I agree.
4:05 Incorrect. The western half of the Aleutian islands are 1 hour behind the rest of Alaska.
Crazy guy with bizarre ideas.. I love him!
Problem... how many secondary times would you create? This would be fine in a space nation as you terraform you make more timezones when people are not limited to sealed station and domes. On Eath now though? How many clocks would need both? All of them I bet and how will you produce these clocks? A second timezone for every State? city? Town? person?
You see we have been there before the time before timezones and the time of town clocks. That's why timezones were created in the age of trains and global trade.
Thought about that too ... thank you for pointing it out properly :D
This one is the hill you don´t die on.
At some places, the date would change in the middle of the day
"tomorrow" would become a confusing term
If we got rid of time zones, there sadly WOULD still be listing different time zones on a lot of old-fashioned network TV due to the artificial delays they make the west half of the US endure.
Instead of saying a program airs at "9 / 8 central", they would continue to use words similar to time zones to describe each part of the country and then say a different time it airs in each part, like "9 east & central / 11 mountain / 12 west".
Or, you know, they could just stop artificially delaying shows and accept the modern world of streaming things simultaneously... but I'm assuming for the sake of my point that everything stays as it currently is except now everywhere on the planet uses the same time at the same time.
I guess most people were on board this far, but the interesting question is: does it work? You said it's already in place in China, it would be weird to sleep through 3 hours of sunlight just because your fellow citizens three million kilometers away have the same timezone and their sun rises at a certain time. So I assume it works and these people get up at different times? How do they feel about it? *That* would be interesting.
At two different places in this video Earth's rotation is backwards. You might want to check where the sun rises and how Earth rotates before trying to muck around with time. :)
I'll meet you at 11:00 GT ( Global time.)
This live stream starts at 14:00 GT
A Standardized time frame would work and it would require all parties to converge only one's to 1 time zone
totally agree with this!
Nah, WonderWhy disputes this pretty well.
Watching this before the polymatter new vid 👀
1 problem with this is that u would have to calculate when is it morning and when is it night where. I think it is best to hav 2 sets of time. 1 international UTC time for world communication, travel, and the internet. And a standardized set of local time zones that no matter in which country u live in should be the same based on ur location, no more UTC +13, or +14 shit
cool, thanks!
I agree 100%, its time for time zones to die
This channel is like PolyMatter's shitposting like how Wendover has the Half As Interesting channel
Fun fact: Parts of Oregon and Florida are only 1 hour apart
Ok, but there'll still be mental time math when you're trying to understand whether someone's awake or not at a different location, even if you check that area's sunrise\sunset time
Finally, some good topics! These videos are definitely improving.
Opposite to some others this is the first one I strongly disagree with. The whole reason countries mess with their time zones is so they can be under the same work hours as the rest of their own country or another country. This system would make that much harder.
There is one big problem: Say I live in a timezone where the sun rises at 19:00. Five hours later it would be "tomorrow", the next day. How do you get used to that?
I totally agree, I thought this for a while!
Are you a dev?
Baby steps, lets just drop daylight savings and see what happens.
surprisingly compelling
It’s not compelling. It only sounds compelling because you don’t understand all of the impact. As with most engineering ideas that are short sighted. Hence the name of this series: popularised by a bunch of engineers arguing about things that (mostly) don’t matter.
I've always thought Timezones to have more issues than it solves(Albeit not many in either direction) - although, I haven't lived in a world *without* timezones, so there are bound to be issues I haven't thought about
but... what about cultural stuff like films... you see someone waking up at 10am in a film and that means they overslept, but what if this wasn't true for everyone. Also it would ruin conversations like "uhhhh i was up until 3am last night" with people on the other side of the world
That intro was too accurate
Just watched on Nebula, and came here to subscribe.
Qntm published a detailed writeup what would actually happen if timezones were abolished, you can find it by the name "So You Want To Abolish Time Zones"
1:50 Indian Map does not contain POK and Aksai Chin. Would you draw a China Map without Hong Kong, Tibet, and Macau?
Seriously, the idea is flawed: It would be very confusing for people living where the date changes at noon. A free Tuesday would mean one free afternoon (Tuesday morning) and the the following morning (Tuesday evening). And when you would say "tomorrow" it would likewise be divided into two "awake periods". And a shop could not simply write "Closed on Sundays"... I don't think he thought it through...
I am all for abandoning the ritual of daylight savings time.
As a science fiction writer, I agree. Fuck time zones.⏳
Fuck it, fuck time too!!! ⏳All I find myself is binging Polymatter content and forgetting about the time. I keep wasting time. I might as well use that time to get rid of time zones. ⏳
I agree
if we do this we have to also implement global 24-hour time. No possible reason to use a.m. and p.m.
Actually sounds good!