Next time with the threaded rod. Use and dowel to measure the pilot hole and then cut the rod to just below that mark. Then add a slot for a flat head to the rod and screw it down the rest of the way. You can then use the epoxy/wood dust mix the fill the hole. I’ve done this a couple of times and it always comes out great. Also, I love that your son is in the shop working and learning from you about woodworking, guns and life. You’re a great dad.
I,m 91 now and haven’t done any stock work for 25 yrs and like you I just enjoyed . working on stocks .I did a lot o refinishing and bedding work ,I-was able to do a few disaster type breaks and repair them to a like new condition. You did a great job on that repair and using the brass screw was a stroke of genius.the visible threads make it look like a custom inlay.
mark novak is the king of giving enough details to help you get something gun related fixed right and permanently. that appears to be in a bad spot in terms of stress and not getting it cleaned and supported properly will result in it cracking again.
Great video love to see people do stuff out of their comfort zone and I love how you also take the time to talk with your son as you are working and make him feel apart of what you are doing 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Precious kid, the best part of the video that captivated me. Soak it all in and enjoy the moment, they sure do fly by. Mine are now 21 and 19. I'm also here to say working with computers, in addition to your hands, is the best of both worlds, keep his options open Dad! I'm an aerospace engineer and software developer by profession, with a 20+ yr. woodworking hobby on the side, along with cars, boats, motorcycles, guns, etc. Skies the limit!
Man, this video hit on a couple of levels. I have a cool old soviet .22 with a broken stock. I'd planned on wedging it back together and using a duplicator to make a new one, but I really like this brass bolt idea. I grew up in my dad's cabinet shop, and I'm pretty sure he told me to pick a trade in a similar conversation. Now my kids are old enough to be inquisitive, and I'm also telling them the same thing. Thanks for everything!
Drill hole through the inside of the back of the receiver. Approximately sixty degrees through the pistol grip. Epoxy, a 5/8" Hickory or Maple dowel or all thread rod. Bruce Farman master stock maker(member of the American Custom gunmakers Guild) repaired a 300 Wby saving a beautiful stock. He says that all thread rod doesn't give so it will crack anyway. However, that's what Weatherby uses in the wrist of their stocks.
I’ve made a similar repair to a rifle stock that had fallen off an above mantle rack. I used the braced clamp method also but used waxed dental floss to get the epoxy into crack. Worked really well. I never would have thought to try air.
The fact you are repairing antique stocks as a furniture maker is awesome. Secondly, I saw some comments on the age and “Sportized” stock, regardless the fact that you’re doing the repair is mad respect from me as someone that found your Channel through Matt(DemoRanch) and love what you put for videos. The firearms side that you do on occasion makes me feel blessed that someone that such as yourself would take this on is awesome and shows that the 2nd Amendment protects what you do on the daily as well as doing these wonderful side projects. By they way you do a very good job with the stocks you have worked on in the past and this video
Look at Stewart McDonald guitar tools. They actually have a large syringe with different sizes of tips specifically for injecting adhesives into cracks.
Very nice repair. The owner might want to check the action bedding. When 03 stocks crack like that, it normally means it is walking out of its beeding. The action screw acts like a splitting wedge.
im glad that you reinforced the stock. i wonder if this person is going to get that gun "bedded" (where they reinforce the mating surface between wood and metal). it will prevent the crack from happening again. if you dont already know about "Mark Novak" and truly do love this art, i highly recommend him. things like hiding that reinforcement screw, removing the soaked in oil so the epoxy will stick better, and bedding the stock, are all tricks ive seen him do that you might be interested in.
That'll work, however I would recommend you use stainless/ brass reacts with the oils and gets green and slimey over time, pre cut the stainless screw smaller diameter for a repair of that size , use accraglass and recess the screw a little, it's almost the same color of the wood you can add pigment from a colored ink pen / office supply has every color, or add sawdust to the last little bit on top, the repair will be stronger and almost dissappear
Great work! May want to make sure that there’s a gap between the metal and wood at the back of the receiver where the crack meets the inlet and make sure the rear action screw has clearance. This type of split can happen if the inletting is too tight at the rear or too loose at the recoil lug. The recoil force goes there instead of the lug where it should be!
MidwayUSA has some really great videos about this kind of thing. So does Mark Novak at Anvil Gunsmithing If I could make a suggestion for next time, drill that hole for the threaded rod down through the wrist from the inside of the receiver pocket. That way, it reenforces the wrist, and stays hidden too.
That's a real nice repair Andy. I have an old Austrain Mannlicher that has a crack in about the same area. I think I might try to fix it, but maybe bury the bolt and plug the hole. Thanks for the interesting video!
Gunsmith here: instead of drilling through from the outside, drill down into the wrist (the part where the grip transitions to the buttstock) from the inside of the receiver pocket, and insert a section of all-thread in there with epoxy or Acraglas. That way the metal stays hidden and there won’t be any blemishes. You can also take that opportunity to glass bed the receiver back in to help accurize the action.
I think the repair looks good Andy and the brass insert looks fine, I like it. The proof will be in the pudding Andy when your client uses his rifle this hunting season. My guess, the repair will hold up well. Interesting video content Andy.
The top cracked portion looked kinda thin, the exposed brass is using every bit of grip available,I wouldn't do that repair any different,it was breaking and now repaired...just adds to the story,when it's 200 years old someone will ask about this old repair!!😊
Quick tip if you're afraid of screwing up the original wood finish is to heat up the wood to draw out the excisting oil, and just hand buff it to even things out. Not sure what I feel about the shiny brass bolt😅
Yeah this was tough to watch. So worried about ruining the original "patina" but then leaves a giant cut down aftermarket screw visible in the side of the stock. Cognitive dissonance... If I got my stock back with that kind of "repair" I'd be livid! That's not a piece of furniture! It's a gunstock. It should be repaired accordingly!
Ifin that don't work, I'll always swear it should have!!! 😂 Ifin later the brass needs covered brass black should hide it good. I like the pattern of the threads showing. Blessings Sir Crawford out 🙏🏻🔥⚒️🧙🏼♂️
You did a great job polishing the brass. I really like the thread design. It's big enough to have his initials put on the brass. Instant feature and not a repair!
I dint think that stock is 100+ years judging by the design it looks like something made from 1960 onwards. I could be wrong but it’s definitely not original
@@AndyRawls I have several military originals. This one is a replacement "sporting" stock for hunting ... not sure but I think they can be quite old, back to the 30's, but with the bulged cheek, this looks like post 60s as Simon sez.
Next time with the threaded rod. Use and dowel to measure the pilot hole and then cut the rod to just below that mark. Then add a slot for a flat head to the rod and screw it down the rest of the way. You can then use the epoxy/wood dust mix the fill the hole. I’ve done this a couple of times and it always comes out great.
Also, I love that your son is in the shop working and learning from you about woodworking, guns and life. You’re a great dad.
I,m 91 now and haven’t done any stock work for 25 yrs and like you I just enjoyed . working on stocks .I did a lot o refinishing and bedding work ,I-was able to do a few disaster type breaks and repair them to a like new condition. You did a great job on that repair and using the brass screw was a stroke of genius.the visible threads make it look like a custom inlay.
Man I wish I could listen to the stories and wisdom you have
@@kimberleighwelch1680 You are too kind. It was a labor of love.
I took on repairing an old DB shotgun for a friend. I enjoy that type of work. Wry rewarding to see a job completed.
mark novak is the king of giving enough details to help you get something gun related fixed right and permanently. that appears to be in a bad spot in terms of stress and not getting it cleaned and supported properly will result in it cracking again.
Its what a conservator would call a "practical repair" and this kind of visible repair will add a lovely point of interest to future generations.
Great video love to see people do stuff out of their comfort zone and I love how you also take the time to talk with your son as you are working and make him feel apart of what you are doing 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I like the ridges that the bolt shows. That’s pretty cool.
Conversations with the kids in the shop are always the best!
Precious kid, the best part of the video that captivated me. Soak it all in and enjoy the moment, they sure do fly by. Mine are now 21 and 19.
I'm also here to say working with computers, in addition to your hands, is the best of both worlds, keep his options open Dad! I'm an aerospace engineer and software developer by profession, with a 20+ yr. woodworking hobby on the side, along with cars, boats, motorcycles, guns, etc. Skies the limit!
You're a lucky man Andy! Doing something you love and passing your passion and sage advice onto the next generation! God Bless!
Man, this video hit on a couple of levels. I have a cool old soviet .22 with a broken stock. I'd planned on wedging it back together and using a duplicator to make a new one, but I really like this brass bolt idea. I grew up in my dad's cabinet shop, and I'm pretty sure he told me to pick a trade in a similar conversation. Now my kids are old enough to be inquisitive, and I'm also telling them the same thing. Thanks for everything!
Love the desperate attempt to regain your status as a good father at the end there, kids have no filter and it’s always fun to hear them talk
Drill hole through the inside of the back of the receiver. Approximately sixty degrees through the pistol grip. Epoxy, a 5/8" Hickory or Maple dowel or all thread rod. Bruce Farman master stock maker(member of the American Custom gunmakers Guild) repaired a 300 Wby saving a beautiful stock. He says that all thread rod doesn't give so it will crack anyway. However, that's what Weatherby uses in the wrist of their stocks.
I’ve made a similar repair to a rifle stock that had fallen off an above mantle rack. I used the braced clamp method also but used waxed dental floss to get the epoxy into crack. Worked really well. I never would have thought to try air.
The fact you are repairing antique stocks as a furniture maker is awesome. Secondly, I saw some comments on the age and “Sportized” stock, regardless the fact that you’re doing the repair is mad respect from me as someone that found your Channel through Matt(DemoRanch) and love what you put for videos. The firearms side that you do on occasion makes me feel blessed that someone that such as yourself would take this on is awesome and shows that the 2nd Amendment protects what you do on the daily as well as doing these wonderful side projects. By they way you do a very good job with the stocks you have worked on in the past and this video
Look at Stewart McDonald guitar tools. They actually have a large syringe with different sizes of tips specifically for injecting adhesives into cracks.
I really like seeing the threads!!
Very nice repair. The owner might want to check the action bedding. When 03 stocks crack like that, it normally means it is walking out of its beeding. The action screw acts like a splitting wedge.
"When I was a big kid..." Love it. One of our kids once said, "When you get little like me."
A man of many talents, great job Andy!
We used 03 Springfields as drill pieces in boot camp back in the sixties. The one I was issued snapped in half when I went to right shoulder arms.
The brass threads resemble a bee’s nest in a Winnie the Pooh book. It looks great!
the next generation; coming along nicely. 😎
jumped right into it for real. nice to see something a little different
Suction cups push adhesive in better than compressed air! Learned that from Dan earlewine
I’ve seen guys use their shop vac. I’ll have to try it.
Love the conversation, especially about learning a skill. Great stuff and great job on the stock.
Nice job saving that beauty.
im glad that you reinforced the stock. i wonder if this person is going to get that gun "bedded" (where they reinforce the mating surface between wood and metal). it will prevent the crack from happening again.
if you dont already know about "Mark Novak" and truly do love this art, i highly recommend him.
things like hiding that reinforcement screw, removing the soaked in oil so the epoxy will stick better, and bedding the stock, are all tricks ive seen him do that you might be interested in.
That'll work, however I would recommend you use stainless/ brass reacts with the oils and gets green and slimey over time, pre cut the stainless screw smaller diameter for a repair of that size , use accraglass and recess the screw a little, it's almost the same color of the wood you can add pigment from a colored ink pen / office supply has every color, or add sawdust to the last little bit on top, the repair will be stronger and almost dissappear
Great work! May want to make sure that there’s a gap between the metal and wood at the back of the receiver where the crack meets the inlet and make sure the rear action screw has clearance. This type of split can happen if the inletting is too tight at the rear or too loose at the recoil lug. The recoil force goes there instead of the lug where it should be!
Nice job!!
Andy keep up the great work
MidwayUSA has some really great videos about this kind of thing. So does Mark Novak at Anvil Gunsmithing
If I could make a suggestion for next time, drill that hole for the threaded rod down through the wrist from the inside of the receiver pocket. That way, it reenforces the wrist, and stays hidden too.
That's a real nice repair Andy. I have an old Austrain Mannlicher that has a crack in about the same area. I think I might try to fix it, but maybe bury the bolt and plug the hole.
Thanks for the interesting video!
Gunsmith here: instead of drilling through from the outside, drill down into the wrist (the part where the grip transitions to the buttstock) from the inside of the receiver pocket, and insert a section of all-thread in there with epoxy or Acraglas. That way the metal stays hidden and there won’t be any blemishes. You can also take that opportunity to glass bed the receiver back in to help accurize the action.
Exactly!
Looks good and strong. Might be a cool idea to engrave his initials on the brass "piece" 😄
Awesome repair! Good call stabilizing the wood and the added reinforcement! Nice work 👏👏
Thanks friends! Always a pleasure working with y’all products.
I think the repair looks good Andy and the brass insert looks fine, I like it. The proof will be in the pudding Andy when your client uses his rifle this hunting season. My guess, the repair will hold up well. Interesting video content Andy.
Next time get a brass set screw that way you can run the set screw past the surface of the stock and then pull the hole. But you did a good job.
Good idea!
The top cracked portion looked kinda thin, the exposed brass is using every bit of grip available,I wouldn't do that repair any different,it was breaking and now repaired...just adds to the story,when it's 200 years old someone will ask about this old repair!!😊
Instead of the brass bolt I think I would have used a walnut dowel. I agree it is important to always keep learning new skills
The repair method you used is exactly how a military armorer would have done it. Well done!!
That will definitely work. I'm interested to know if you were able to get your old vice repaired (?)
It’s at Keith Rucker’s shop in Georgia. Hoping to have it back soon!
@@AndyRawls I'm sure you will show us the fixed vice. I have brazed a few iron castings over the years, and they have all held up very well.
Good that you reenforced it. It should not come apart now
Beautiful work, Andy! Really well done! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Quick tip if you're afraid of screwing up the original wood finish is to heat up the wood to draw out the excisting oil, and just hand buff it to even things out.
Not sure what I feel about the shiny brass bolt😅
Thanks
You don’t have any syringes for glue,I recommend them for many uses
I like the bolt. It's utilitarian sheik or something.
Looks lame but works. My preference is a brass pin not the rod.. pins work fine with a tight force fit especially with epoxy ...
Cool 👍👍👍😎😎😎
Note to self never send a rifle stock to andy .....
Yeah this was tough to watch. So worried about ruining the original "patina" but then leaves a giant cut down aftermarket screw visible in the side of the stock. Cognitive dissonance... If I got my stock back with that kind of "repair" I'd be livid!
That's not a piece of furniture! It's a gunstock. It should be repaired accordingly!
You could engrave the owner's initials on the brass rod end - it kind of looks like a small plaque.
Screw should have gone in completely by a little bit and then hole filled up with dust and Epoxy. Or even better guerilla glue and dust to blend in.
Get that boy a little .22 lr bolt action! He is ready for it!
I have a .22 Henry golden boy but might be a bit too nice for him!
Angel 👼 ❤He has so many questions ❤
Ifin that don't work, I'll always swear it should have!!! 😂
Ifin later the brass needs covered brass black should hide it good. I like the pattern of the threads showing.
Blessings Sir
Crawford out 🙏🏻🔥⚒️🧙🏼♂️
Достаточно было просто склеить
You didn't need the brass screw. That stock would have held up just fine with the epoxy.
You did a great job polishing the brass. I really like the thread design. It's big enough to have his initials put on the brass. Instant feature and not a repair!
I dint think that stock is 100+ years judging by the design it looks like something made from 1960 onwards. I could be wrong but it’s definitely not original
I don’t know a whole lot about dating them, just going off what the client told me. You might be right.
@@AndyRawls I have several military originals. This one is a replacement "sporting" stock for hunting ... not sure but I think they can be quite old, back to the 30's, but with the bulged cheek, this looks like post 60s as Simon sez.
Sportarized junk
Hope they won't, but I wouldn't be surprised if UA-cam demonetized this.
They probably won’t but the adrevenue in anything gun related is pretty bad.
I hate guns, I’m gone.
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I love guns, I'm staying.
I hated old chairs But I love gun stocks!!😊