WITHOUT the manual. It's a garbage transmission in the M4. Literally the most disappointing thing about the car. If you want a manual BMW, stick to the M2/M2 Competition.
I wish I didn't have to get a full M car to get it. I also wish I could still get it with AWD, like the F32 440i had. The perfect car to me would be the current G42 M240i xDrive w/ 6MT.
i respect BMW for continuing to offer the 6 speed but i have to say i would go for the X drive competition. just unlocks the true performance of this car
Come on, you're not always racing and chasing numbers. U would feel 1000 times better if you had the engagement that MT gives you. The feeling of always challenging yourself to shift faster and at the perfect time is way better than driving automatic. There are many boring cars and SUVs that have decent 0-60 times. It is not about numbers anymore. It is about having fun.
I'd hate to add another comment to the pile of complaints regarding the front end, but, wow, it really stands out against the white paint. The front of the G80 looks exactly how the F80 sounds... gruff and garish. Luckily. it seems that the S58 sounds better than the S55, but BMW had to figure out some other way to hurt our senses.
@@mehmett.bakkal8257 what the hell are you talking about the S55 and S58 are nothing alike other than they’re both twin turbo i6s. I spoke to a BMW engineer at a track day about why the S55 sounds terrible & he said the exhaust manifold to the turbos was changed multiple times due to emissions & what they ended up with gives it an uneven pulse, the S58 doesn’t really have that thus sounds infinitely better.
@@I53-624 not many people can daily a 75 grand car is what I’m saying. Unless your super Uber loaded which most people aren’t. Most don’t even make 75k a year
It's a tough decision. As you said, I like having the transmission that the car was designed to have. I'm also pretty set on keeping one manual in the two car fleet. It would be a factor.
I used to be a manual type of guy, but now realize that dual clutch is the way to go, its faster but the fun factor is still there, plus the versatility. The dual clutch in my Audi S3 is flawless, favorite transmission of all time. Oh ..and I don't miss stomping in and out of the clutch in traffic GRRRRR
Looks like a tough traction day out there with a sand/salt/water combo. Hopefully it would not be lighting up the tires on every acceleration pull on some clean, dry roads!
Great review. The closest to E46 modern M car is the M2 with manual. I recently reviewed one on my channel. Lightweight, nimble, responsive and communicates back to the driver.
It's ok if you say that BMW still hasn't really got their groove back. They are one of the manufacturers that is no longer focusing primarily on the driver experience. Clutch feel, steering feel, these things are missing and are critical for a performance car .
The clutch is pretty tactile. Issue is the delay valve they use makes it hard to modulate. You're always behind it if you need to adjust for smoother release.
Thanks for the review as usual Tedward ! Thing is (no news there), those new cars are being developped to be at optimal performance with an automatic trans (torque converter / dct / etc. ). It's great because manuals still exists and I do love my manuals, but somehow they feel and show that they are not being developped quite as much, which is obvious because it's time and money consuming for the manufacturer. And it's not as easy today slapping a good old manual in because of all the software that's involved (porsche gt product aside, I presume). The new shifter feels a bit too rubbery for my liking, but at least for every day you are not feeling everything coming from the old zf s5 trans. The sweet spot was the e39 to me. I had the opportunity to drive the F30 and G20 back to back and I felt lost I have to say. I understand the position they are defending (attracting new customer and so on). I really felt the evolution from one generation to another till the f30, but the g20, couldn't feel home (and the quality perception felt down to me). Anyway enough talking from me ^^
I feel like this is the last true sports sedan coming out of Germany. Not looking forward to the new 4-cylinder C class and I doubt BMW will keep relying purely on ice for the next 3-4 series. Great video Ted.
I drove the G80 & G80 last summer, both were Comp with ZF, not sure if xDrive. I felt they drove better than an F82 and sounded far better. Although the G80 happened to have 1 tire 10 psi high and felt off but the G82 felt great and confidence inspiring on track.
I tried X Delete in my FBO E60 535xi (also a manual), it wasn't a safe experience, I switched back to AWD and didn't bother again, AWD is the way to go in cars with power.
A lot of car manufacturers are quickly moving away from coupe's especially ones with a stick. I'm glad bmw is still sticking to it until it's final breaths.
Had an S5 sportback and while the Quattro DSG+SCV6 combo made it a beast, the steering felt dead like a boat. The E90 was so much more responsive and you can feel the lateral G’s when you turn the wheel.
I feel like with modern manual cars you HAVE to tune out the rev hang to really get the most out of them. All these modern emissions laws have made many modern manual cars have atrocious rev hang. I'd LOVE to see how this M4 drives when that is tuned out!
Every time I've driven a manual with a modern electronic throttle rather than a cable throttle it's always been more difficult to drive for me and just generally much more unpleasant. The rev hang combined with the more numb feeling most have make it harder to downshift until I really get the feel of the car. All the manuals I've owned have been cable throttle and I prefer that so much more. The engines have all felt more responsive and easier to predict.
@@philtheairplanemechanic yeah thats a problem but that's not necessarily because of the electronic throttle. In fact dbw throttle can be more responsive than cable but manufacturers intentionally tune in rev hang to reduce emissions
This car drives great but I still can stand that grill, & seeing it in person hasn’t change my opinion either, just terrible. Still hate the driving feel like in the F80, where BMW still hasn’t figured out how to make the driving feel transfer over from the road to the driver like in the old hydronic steering feel. They make a stiffer steering wheel the “feedback” in corners and turns, but no road feel.
@@M5csbln The driving good, but not great. I got to try out the Comp with AWD, so I had more control I would say. I still feel it lacks that road feel like the F80 before it, but the G80 is better at putting the power to the road. So as for the driving: it is a step up for sure, but still missing what it lost from pre-F80 generations. Design wise: I abso-fucking-lutely hate it. The obnoxiously attention desperate and oversized Audi grill, the Dodge charger hood dents, the Mustang side profile, the Lexus taillights, the JDM "inspired" rear bumper and exhaust set up.... the only thing on the outside thats originally BMW is the badges. The engineers did a good job on this car, only to be screwed over by the design team.
I have owned my e92 m3 dct for 6 years now. I had a manual f80 m3 sedan for a year and sold it. I regret selling it, but I feel like the f80 could be sold, the e92 I can never let go of. If I could go back, I would've bought my e92 as a manual and my f80 as a dct. The g80 series I like, but I'm afraid it won't live up to my e92. For g80 money, I'd rather buy a 911 variant as the most logical progression for myself.
Yet Another great video, keep it up! Here is my opinion, no one asked for it, but here it is, my opinion which is entirely mine. I really really like the G20 3 series, in-fact I would even go as far as to say that I adore it (even though i first hated it, but it grew on me), i don’t have that much of an issue with the pig nose (G80?) M3, I’m just not a fan of the “pig nose” M3 front end. Yes i have seen it in person and I still don’t like it particularly much, I prefer the regular G20 front end to the “pig nose”, I don’t actually hate it but I don’t like it. The G22? 4 series and G82? M4 on the other hand, I really don’t like how they look, I find them hideous from every single angle, it says a lot about the 4 series/M4 when my favorite exterior part of them is the one I like the least on the 3 series the M3/M4 “pig nose”. The funny thing is I really didn’t like the F32/F82 (older 4 series), probably mostly due to me being annoyed that the 3 series Coupé wasn’t a 3 series anymore, i really didn’t care that much about them and then I drove one in to the shop and I ended up quite liking it, that will probably never happen with the G22/G82. I quite like BMW, grew up around Volvos but I also have had a soft spot for BMWs, love the e46 which goes perfect with the P24 S60 (i have one of those), Volvo has pretty much done everything they can to alienate their entire enthusiast side lately (pathetic 180Km/h limiter, No leather, awful Google infotainment, they killed the M66, boring EVs with disappointing range and fraudulent range claims). The C40 which I consider to be a direct insult to enthusiasts like myself was the straw that broke this camels back, it is quite literally every single thing wrong with Volvo in one car, I’m DONE! Volvo has pissed someone who grew up with relatives working at Volvo Torslanda, some who was pretty much born a Volvo enthusiast, off to the point where I’m done, I don’t care about the new stuff because there is nothing to care about, anything newer than 2019 / early 2020 and I’m getting a BMW instead. In fact i liked working on BMWs so much (that brief period before everything fell apart at home and I completely burned out), that my next car might be a F11 5 series or G31 if I wait or i might get another P2 Volvo (I have a unhealthy obsession with those). Time will tell.
Great video! I love the balanced approach you took with reviewing this car. Personally, I like this significantly more than the F80 generation. The S58 sounds better, and it seems like it makes its power higher up in the rev-band than the S55. Sure, it’s tail happy, but the F80 was stupidly tail happy. Could barely put its power down unless conditions were perfect. From what I saw here, it put its power down pretty well. Seemingly more sophisticated TC system than in the F80. Also, the interior build quality has improved over the F80. I don’t get the point of the M4, as it’s gotten too big to be a tossable coupe. The M3 makes a lot more sense. Can’t wait for the M2, and I genuinely think the worst thing about the G80/G82 is the looks. Sure, the steering still needs improvement but from what I’m hearing otherwise it’s much improved over the F80.
I've driven both and the biggest difference to me is the front grip of the car. The old M4 had 265 rear and 255 front, the current one drives thicker 285 rear and 275 front which is really insane in terms of grip and cornering speeds. The current M4 is a real track tool. It lost some of it's BMW-ish character, because it doesn't really want to drift anymore like the previous one. For me, it feels more like a Porsche in terms of handling.
I really dont get the whole "m4 is too big to be tossable" argument I hear so often from people. Like both the m3 and m4 have an identical 112.5-inch wheelbase. The M3 is 4.6 inches longer, 0.4-inch wider, and 0.1-inch higher than f80 and the M4 is 4.6 inches longer, 0.7-inch wider, and 0.4-inch higher than f82. By that logic the m3 has gotten to be too big to toss around too. I doubt people are really griping over 0.3in diffrence in width between the m3/m4, especially those who are actually tracking their cars. The m4 is the same car with 2-less doors, not a full fledged 5 series or something like that. In any case the cars are heavier, wider and higher off the ground than last gen m's, and they are clearly proven to be more tossable than the previous cars in the bends. So really its not about the size or weight of a coupe that dictates tossablity. Its about how well the car manufacturer has dynamically hid the weight from the driver on track, which is what the m5 cs and g-series platforms in general have excelled at.
@@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs I get what you’re saying. My logic is that if I wanted a coupe, I’d get an M2. There’s no point in having such a large coupe (the M4) when a vehicle of the same size (the M3) is more practical as a 4 door, and I think looks better.
@@pascutia well fair enough then if you prefer smaller coupes, or more practical cars in general, I cant imagine anything bigger than a 3 series these days will cut it for ya. M2 is a great car in its own right just a bit stripped down for my taste. Track demon tho I do think the advantage of the larger coupes is found in how they actually morphs into a GT cars in a way. Like with my f82 I feel like its half race car and half grand tourer. I feel like an m8 is the pinnacle of this formula. my m4 is perfect for taking corners/bends, but Im also making a move to a new city in a couple weeks (bought a new home) and Im not even worried about the almost 1500 mi journey. The car is great for road trips and quite comfortable for long term drives with plenty of self driving aid. So its actual quite practical in that regard as it doubles for both purposes. An m2 would be a nightmare to putt around in for 8-10 hours imo
I would love to see you drive the CT4-V Blackwing and compare it to this. I feel like the manual transmission is probably better and the chassis might be more sorted.
This car really is more suited to an automatic like you said. Wonder how older Gen cars are with manuals since I saw some good second hand ones for a good price.
I hate that manufacturers have removed the option of manual transmissions. Having only recently just started driving I'll have fewer and fewer options as I grow up. Cars like the Audi RS4 or BMW M5 that I'd love to one day own, forced to have Autos.
manual transmissions fit well sports cars but the coupe format is a compromise for practicality, anyway I think I would still choose the manual gb for more fun
I think the dramatically increased performance of the M-Lite models is an attempt to satisfy the luxury buyer who still wants to have all the performance so that they can make the full M cars properly rude. I bet the H-series is absolutely mental.
@@papa_pt My thoughts on that are that the car is so big that people who want to thrash around a track are not going to choose it, so the whole trim range has to skew for comfort. Compare to the M3 and M4, which are pretty brutal this time around, especially the gearing on the 6MT.
Still can’t get over the buckteeth personally. Does sound much better than the S55 from the inside for sure, though, even if a lot of it is piped in. I think given that manuals nowadays are purely about fun and involvement and not outright straight line performance, perhaps a manual would be better suited to the M340/440i models since they’re not trying to be the utmost in speed and handling capability.
It’s a tough one. It’s a great car but I just can’t like it’s looks. It does look better than the M3 imo. I just wish the m240i came with a manual. Would make the question of what is your favorite new BMW easy to answer.
Also, the engine bay looks jank and generic as hell compared to the time and effort BMW usually puts into the bays of the M Cars. The square tube bracing looks particularly cheesy. What happened to the gorgeous carbon one in the F80/82?
How would you spec your M4? Is the Manual more important than outright speed to you?
Comp. For track, stick for daily
Base manual
WITHOUT the manual. It's a garbage transmission in the M4. Literally the most disappointing thing about the car. If you want a manual BMW, stick to the M2/M2 Competition.
I'll be driving a manual in 2060.
Manual, daily and track because I love to use one. Hate driving anything else
I love that bmw keeps the stick alive in their new cars. Wish they’d give it in the competition but it’s better than nothing.
For now i think next couple years might end hope i am wrong.
@@mesropmadzharyan6727 might end next year as no one is buying manual M4 and M3 everyone is buying M4 and M3 competition with Auto only .
I think it’s a limitation of the trans, with the comps power and torque. I hope that they do it for the next model year though!
I wish I didn't have to get a full M car to get it. I also wish I could still get it with AWD, like the F32 440i had.
The perfect car to me would be the current G42 M240i xDrive w/ 6MT.
@@bittertruth0000 They intentionally sabotaged the 6MT in product planning so they could justify killing it next go around.
Any 6 speed manual RWD car with 450+ HP is a blast
Too bad they fucked up the styling to the max 😒 This would’ve been a perfect car
@@squidwardshouse67 nah it looks great
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@@squidwardshouse67looks better in person
@@squidwardshouse67it looks good champ
Props to BMW for keeping the manual in 2022.
It's been a couple of years but the new tail lights for the M4 are insane, absolutely beautiful!
Think I’m going to buy a 2021 manual m4 today and first order of business getting it tuned
i respect BMW for continuing to offer the 6 speed but i have to say i would go for the X drive competition. just unlocks the true performance of this car
Lol rip cars
Sad
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And you would probably lose a lot more in depreciation in that case.
Come on, you're not always racing and chasing numbers. U would feel 1000 times better if you had the engagement that MT gives you. The feeling of always challenging yourself to shift faster and at the perfect time is way better than driving automatic. There are many boring cars and SUVs that have decent 0-60 times. It is not about numbers anymore. It is about having fun.
Came here after watching the 87' M6 and this is why I love 80's cars and my hate on modern car.
Love the manual, cannot get used to the front.
Imo the front looks mean af, especially in black
Man it blows my mind every time I remember that the Competition is a torque converter option only
That heads up display is such a good feature beautiful 👏
I'd hate to add another comment to the pile of complaints regarding the front end, but, wow, it really stands out against the white paint. The front of the G80 looks exactly how the F80 sounds... gruff and garish. Luckily. it seems that the S58 sounds better than the S55, but BMW had to figure out some other way to hurt our senses.
@@mehmett.bakkal8257 what the hell are you talking about the S55 and S58 are nothing alike other than they’re both twin turbo i6s. I spoke to a BMW engineer at a track day about why the S55 sounds terrible & he said the exhaust manifold to the turbos was changed multiple times due to emissions & what they ended up with gives it an uneven pulse, the S58 doesn’t really have that thus sounds infinitely better.
Would love a new manual M4/M3! They seem like fun daily’s to beat on.
really wish you could get a manual comp, becuase an xdrive manual m would be the ultimate daily, starts snowing? Turn on awd…. nice weather? Rwd!!
@@I53-624 how tf do u daily drive a m4, bro those things r like 75k
@@krabuh what does price have to do with daily ability? Some cars are 200+ grand that get dailyed like a urus or bently
@@I53-624 not many people can daily a 75 grand car is what I’m saying. Unless your super Uber loaded which most people aren’t. Most don’t even make 75k a year
@@krabuh depends where you live, here in ct a 75 thousand dollar car is normal for a lot of people!
It's a tough decision. As you said, I like having the transmission that the car was designed to have. I'm also pretty set on keeping one manual in the two car fleet. It would be a factor.
I love my G80 Manual
It’s nice to hear the six cylinder.
Love manual 🔥
I used to be a manual type of guy, but now realize that dual clutch is the way to go, its faster but the fun factor is still there, plus the versatility. The dual clutch in my Audi S3 is flawless, favorite transmission of all time. Oh ..and I don't miss stomping in and out of the clutch in traffic GRRRRR
ALRIGHT ILL SAY IT.
I love how this looks, especially in white.
I LOVE the front end. Can't wait until my 2023 arrives!
Looks like a tough traction day out there with a sand/salt/water combo. Hopefully it would not be lighting up the tires on every acceleration pull on some clean, dry roads!
Love seeing you rip fast cars around familiar roads
Great review. The closest to E46 modern M car is the M2 with manual. I recently reviewed one on my channel. Lightweight, nimble, responsive and communicates back to the driver.
The M2 may be the last, great internal combustion ///M car for real.
+1
This gear hand looks so cool
It's ok if you say that BMW still hasn't really got their groove back. They are one of the manufacturers that is no longer focusing primarily on the driver experience. Clutch feel, steering feel, these things are missing and are critical for a performance car .
The clutch is pretty tactile. Issue is the delay valve they use makes it hard to modulate. You're always behind it if you need to adjust for smoother release.
That manual knob looks like it hasnt changed in over 10 years
the only important thing is that its a manual. thats all that matters
Bro you’re the whole time in comfort 😂🫠
yes, was looking for this comment . car is completely different in sports mode
Welcome Back tedward. I love the B58 I-6. It sounds like a Toyota than a BMW.
Thanks for the review as usual Tedward ! Thing is (no news there), those new cars are being developped to be at optimal performance with an automatic trans (torque converter / dct / etc. ). It's great because manuals still exists and I do love my manuals, but somehow they feel and show that they are not being developped quite as much, which is obvious because it's time and money consuming for the manufacturer. And it's not as easy today slapping a good old manual in because of all the software that's involved (porsche gt product aside, I presume). The new shifter feels a bit too rubbery for my liking, but at least for every day you are not feeling everything coming from the old zf s5 trans. The sweet spot was the e39 to me. I had the opportunity to drive the F30 and G20 back to back and I felt lost I have to say. I understand the position they are defending (attracting new customer and so on). I really felt the evolution from one generation to another till the f30, but the g20, couldn't feel home (and the quality perception felt down to me). Anyway enough talking from me ^^
Looks so beautiful in white.
Love that piano sounding like fasten seat belt warning. The Germans thought one step ahead.
Thoroughly enjoyable. Thumbs up.
A dark blue one showed up at my local gas station. In a dark color, the grill looks better
love this video TEdward, u sound so knowledgeable and u drive really good compared to other reviewers!
I feel like this is the last true sports sedan coming out of Germany. Not looking forward to the new 4-cylinder C class and I doubt BMW will keep relying purely on ice for the next 3-4 series. Great video Ted.
I drove the G80 & G80 last summer, both were Comp with ZF, not sure if xDrive. I felt they drove better than an F82 and sounded far better. Although the G80 happened to have 1 tire 10 psi high and felt off but the G82 felt great and confidence inspiring on track.
Good job, thanks for sharing it, greetings from Just Driving 4K!!
50% of Massachusetts's backroads look like the surface of the moon...Nice M4 review though!
Another amazing video
I tried X Delete in my FBO E60 535xi (also a manual), it wasn't a safe experience, I switched back to AWD and didn't bother again, AWD is the way to go in cars with power.
Great video as usual Ted! Would love if you would also review a xdrive m3/m4 and give us your impressions on the differences. Thanks.
can confirm traction control is there for a reason lol, mashing the throttle in a 2016 m2 immediately throws the back out
A lot of car manufacturers are quickly moving away from coupe's especially ones with a stick. I'm glad bmw is still sticking to it until it's final breaths.
How’s the rev hang? Seemed pretty bad when pushing it
some amazing shots in this video. great job!
Think you could do another e36 video? I am wanting to get one and I really enjoyed your last video on it. which I think is the only one?
I have the same zhp weighted shifter...it's awesome
I love my DsG in my Old S4. Used to be my traffic daily . Now it's my once in a while car and I would have preferred a manual , miss it a lot
Had an S5 sportback and while the Quattro DSG+SCV6 combo made it a beast, the steering felt dead like a boat. The E90 was so much more responsive and you can feel the lateral G’s when you turn the wheel.
I feel like with modern manual cars you HAVE to tune out the rev hang to really get the most out of them. All these modern emissions laws have made many modern manual cars have atrocious rev hang. I'd LOVE to see how this M4 drives when that is tuned out!
Every time I've driven a manual with a modern electronic throttle rather than a cable throttle it's always been more difficult to drive for me and just generally much more unpleasant. The rev hang combined with the more numb feeling most have make it harder to downshift until I really get the feel of the car. All the manuals I've owned have been cable throttle and I prefer that so much more. The engines have all felt more responsive and easier to predict.
@@philtheairplanemechanic yeah thats a problem but that's not necessarily because of the electronic throttle. In fact dbw throttle can be more responsive than cable but manufacturers intentionally tune in rev hang to reduce emissions
Looks like you kept everything in efficient and comfort mode?
Awesome vid man! 🔥
I feel like going and grabbing this car this week!
Good bmw is still giving us a proper drivers car
Love that it’s a manual, hate how big the car is
Ecoconciousness is a buzz for suppressing fun in so many things, yet does little to environment
I love the look on this car so much
This car drives great but I still can stand that grill, & seeing it in person hasn’t change my opinion either, just terrible. Still hate the driving feel like in the F80, where BMW still hasn’t figured out how to make the driving feel transfer over from the road to the driver like in the old hydronic steering feel. They make a stiffer steering wheel the “feedback” in corners and turns, but no road feel.
So do you think the driving is great or you hate it? Decide
@@M5csbln The driving good, but not great. I got to try out the Comp with AWD, so I had more control I would say. I still feel it lacks that road feel like the F80 before it, but the G80 is better at putting the power to the road. So as for the driving: it is a step up for sure, but still missing what it lost from pre-F80 generations. Design wise: I abso-fucking-lutely hate it. The obnoxiously attention desperate and oversized Audi grill, the Dodge charger hood dents, the Mustang side profile, the Lexus taillights, the JDM "inspired" rear bumper and exhaust set up.... the only thing on the outside thats originally BMW is the badges. The engineers did a good job on this car, only to be screwed over by the design team.
I have owned my e92 m3 dct for 6 years now. I had a manual f80 m3 sedan for a year and sold it. I regret selling it, but I feel like the f80 could be sold, the e92 I can never let go of.
If I could go back, I would've bought my e92 as a manual and my f80 as a dct. The g80 series I like, but I'm afraid it won't live up to my e92. For g80 money, I'd rather buy a 911 variant as the most logical progression for myself.
steering and feedback in G and F series was never even half as good as it is with the E cars. That's the biggest loss of BMW for me 😭
@@papa_pt yeah the steering was really night and day. I found myself driving in the heaviest f80 steering setting. It just felt heavy, not tactile
Could probably get a tune and it'll put out more power than the competition no? The manual is a must
Next thing you should drive now is the automatic with/without comp pack for a good comparison.
Yet Another great video, keep it up!
Here is my opinion, no one asked for it, but here it is, my opinion which is entirely mine.
I really really like the G20 3 series, in-fact I would even go as far as to say that I adore it (even though i first hated it, but it grew on me), i don’t have that much of an issue with the pig nose (G80?) M3, I’m just not a fan of the “pig nose” M3 front end.
Yes i have seen it in person and I still don’t like it particularly much, I prefer the regular G20 front end to the “pig nose”, I don’t actually hate it but I don’t like it.
The G22? 4 series and G82? M4 on the other hand, I really don’t like how they look, I find them hideous from every single angle, it says a lot about the 4 series/M4 when my favorite exterior part of them is the one I like the least on the 3 series the M3/M4 “pig nose”.
The funny thing is I really didn’t like the F32/F82 (older 4 series), probably mostly due to me being annoyed that the 3 series Coupé wasn’t a 3 series anymore, i really didn’t care that much about them and then I drove one in to the shop and I ended up quite liking it, that will probably never happen with the G22/G82.
I quite like BMW, grew up around Volvos but I also have had a soft spot for BMWs, love the e46 which goes perfect with the P24 S60 (i have one of those), Volvo has pretty much done everything they can to alienate their entire enthusiast side lately (pathetic 180Km/h limiter, No leather, awful Google infotainment, they killed the M66, boring EVs with disappointing range and fraudulent range claims).
The C40 which I consider to be a direct insult to enthusiasts like myself was the straw that broke this camels back, it is quite literally every single thing wrong with Volvo in one car, I’m DONE!
Volvo has pissed someone who grew up with relatives working at Volvo Torslanda, some who was pretty much born a Volvo enthusiast, off to the point where I’m done, I don’t care about the new stuff because there is nothing to care about, anything newer than 2019 / early 2020 and I’m getting a BMW instead.
In fact i liked working on BMWs so much (that brief period before everything fell apart at home and I completely burned out), that my next car might be a F11 5 series or G31 if I wait or i might get another P2 Volvo (I have a unhealthy obsession with those). Time will tell.
the grille does look nice on the 2 door coupes...especially in green
I saw a green M4 few days ago and that looked phenomenal
Can you please drive a 2007-08 g35 or even a g37! Sure a lot of us would enjoy!
Great video! I love the balanced approach you took with reviewing this car. Personally, I like this significantly more than the F80 generation. The S58 sounds better, and it seems like it makes its power higher up in the rev-band than the S55. Sure, it’s tail happy, but the F80 was stupidly tail happy. Could barely put its power down unless conditions were perfect. From what I saw here, it put its power down pretty well. Seemingly more sophisticated TC system than in the F80. Also, the interior build quality has improved over the F80. I don’t get the point of the M4, as it’s gotten too big to be a tossable coupe. The M3 makes a lot more sense. Can’t wait for the M2, and I genuinely think the worst thing about the G80/G82 is the looks. Sure, the steering still needs improvement but from what I’m hearing otherwise it’s much improved over the F80.
I've driven both and the biggest difference to me is the front grip of the car. The old M4 had 265 rear and 255 front, the current one drives thicker 285 rear and 275 front which is really insane in terms of grip and cornering speeds. The current M4 is a real track tool. It lost some of it's BMW-ish character, because it doesn't really want to drift anymore like the previous one. For me, it feels more like a Porsche in terms of handling.
I really dont get the whole "m4 is too big to be tossable" argument I hear so often from people. Like both the m3 and m4 have an identical 112.5-inch wheelbase. The M3 is 4.6 inches longer, 0.4-inch wider, and 0.1-inch higher than f80 and the M4 is 4.6 inches longer, 0.7-inch wider, and 0.4-inch higher than f82. By that logic the m3 has gotten to be too big to toss around too. I doubt people are really griping over 0.3in diffrence in width between the m3/m4, especially those who are actually tracking their cars. The m4 is the same car with 2-less doors, not a full fledged 5 series or something like that. In any case the cars are heavier, wider and higher off the ground than last gen m's, and they are clearly proven to be more tossable than the previous cars in the bends. So really its not about the size or weight of a coupe that dictates tossablity. Its about how well the car manufacturer has dynamically hid the weight from the driver on track, which is what the m5 cs and g-series platforms in general have excelled at.
@@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs I get what you’re saying. My logic is that if I wanted a coupe, I’d get an M2. There’s no point in having such a large coupe (the M4) when a vehicle of the same size (the M3) is more practical as a 4 door, and I think looks better.
@@pascutia well fair enough then if you prefer smaller coupes, or more practical cars in general, I cant imagine anything bigger than a 3 series these days will cut it for ya. M2 is a great car in its own right just a bit stripped down for my taste. Track demon tho
I do think the advantage of the larger coupes is found in how they actually morphs into a GT cars in a way. Like with my f82 I feel like its half race car and half grand tourer. I feel like an m8 is the pinnacle of this formula.
my m4 is perfect for taking corners/bends, but Im also making a move to a new city in a couple weeks (bought a new home) and Im not even worried about the almost 1500 mi journey. The car is great for road trips and quite comfortable for long term drives with plenty of self driving aid. So its actual quite practical in that regard as it doubles for both purposes. An m2 would be a nightmare to putt around in for 8-10 hours imo
I would love to see you drive the CT4-V Blackwing and compare it to this. I feel like the manual transmission is probably better and the chassis might be more sorted.
And also the CT5 V blackwing with that 670hp supercharged V8 🔥
Did you even put it in sport?
Reminds me of the RC-F
It sounds good...
Looks like it has some rev hang during upshifts
I’ll take the E46 thanks
I feel like this is BMW not even trying. We know they can build better looking cars.
“In MA you are required to use front plates”
Not if you gangsta! 😎
This car really is more suited to an automatic like you said. Wonder how older Gen cars are with manuals since I saw some good second hand ones for a good price.
such a beautiful car, definitely something i will work hard to try to achieve in the future
I hate that manufacturers have removed the option of manual transmissions. Having only recently just started driving I'll have fewer and fewer options as I grow up. Cars like the Audi RS4 or BMW M5 that I'd love to one day own, forced to have Autos.
Great video.
And also first
If the car wasn't more of an isolation chamber than previous generations of the car I could probably overlook the grille. But it's not happening
manual transmissions fit well sports cars but the coupe format is a compromise for practicality, anyway I think I would still choose the manual gb for more fun
Somewhere a 2002 looks on with pride.
2021 BMW M4 Base - 6-Speed Manual RWD POV Driving (Binaural Audio)
I've seen a M440d, european version, which does have the feature where it hands over the seatbelt. So maybe broken already :)
I think the dramatically increased performance of the M-Lite models is an attempt to satisfy the luxury buyer who still wants to have all the performance so that they can make the full M cars properly rude. I bet the H-series is absolutely mental.
that should be the logic but just look at how sterile the M5 has become (minus the CS)
@@papa_pt My thoughts on that are that the car is so big that people who want to thrash around a track are not going to choose it, so the whole trim range has to skew for comfort. Compare to the M3 and M4, which are pretty brutal this time around, especially the gearing on the 6MT.
Still can’t get over the buckteeth personally. Does sound much better than the S55 from the inside for sure, though, even if a lot of it is piped in. I think given that manuals nowadays are purely about fun and involvement and not outright straight line performance, perhaps a manual would be better suited to the M340/440i models since they’re not trying to be the utmost in speed and handling capability.
The only reason I’d ever consider M over an AMG is because of the 6 speed
a real drivers car
its just the grille man 😂
So happy about the stick but this thing seems like a barge on wheels
Definitely takes some thought and finesse in the transitions. She’s big.
It’s a tough one. It’s a great car but I just can’t like it’s looks. It does look better than the M3 imo.
I just wish the m240i came with a manual. Would make the question of what is your favorite new BMW easy to answer.
would like to own it someday
impossible i think
Do you think that sport sedans will disappear in the future in favour of SUVs?
All new manual cars are designed with the automatic in mind.
Something tells me you were on summer tires at the time of this filming
It's manual all the way my g till i can't walk no more then I might need a automatic
Exactly what I wanted to see today, lol.
In my opinion, an oversized license plate should be required by law to be put in front of any m4s.
X6M competition will arrive one day?😇😇
Black wheels kill the overall look of an otherwise killer rocket .
What are your thoughts on B58 vs N54?
Also, the engine bay looks jank and generic as hell compared to the time and effort BMW usually puts into the bays of the M Cars. The square tube bracing looks particularly cheesy. What happened to the gorgeous carbon one in the F80/82?