Hong Kong Protests & An Emerging Civil War w/ TL Tsim
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- Will the social and economic turmoil in China lead to a civil war?
Hong Kong-based political analyst TL Tsim has an inside perspective on China to understand the real relationship between the two countries and capital flows for the rest of the world.
In this special Le Club B, TL looks ahead to the end of the Sino-British Joint Declaration in 2047 and back to the history of Chinese dynasties for clues on the likely power struggles to come. Published on November 4th, 2016 on Real Vision.
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The young people of Hong Kong know what is at stake. They don't want to live under the CCP rule. I would argue that no one wants to live under the CCP rule.
1.6 billion people in china said -
什么？
Same with the Gillet Jaunes - 50 weeks of protests in every city in the country. 4,000 injured and 10 dead. Clearly the people of France hate democracy. See how that works ? Probably not because there has been no media coverage because it does not work with the anti-Chinese propaganda war being waged.
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@@Act1veSp1n Nope, if you think everyone in China is for CCP, you're sadly mistaken.
@@Act1veSp1n time for the fall of the CCP, TIME TO BE DESTROYED.
Hong Kong has no choice. As much as the US want to weaken mainland China a civil war would end in 1 day. They would be crushed. Assimilation or incarceration. Choose.
I do like your voicing concerns for lots of Hong Kongers. Wish you and your Hong Kongers the best of luck. May your fight for democracy and an independent Hong Kong prevail.
phivan d - the Chinese ppl need to fight.
His theory of the CCP losing power like Russia during the USSR is on point! The CCP won’t go out peacefully, you can use Taiwan for example. They still wouldn’t accept them as a individual country despite it all.
communism is all about killing your individuality, killing your soul of freedom.
Communism MUST BE DESTROYED WITH NUKES.
insightful perspective from a Chinese journalist living in Hong Kong
Comrade Freeman - As a high ranking Inner Party member, it is with great emotion that I urge you to turn yourself over to The Party where you can be MindPurged™. The proletarian masses need not concern themselves with the higher pursuits of the mind. It's been taken care of for them by us - The Global Elites !
Furthermore, recent interpretations of The Gospel According to Marks predict that Jesus will return to earth, in the mid-1800s, in the form of a bearded German philosopher - establishing the world's first true religion - Leninism.
Therefore, let us pray to the Progressive Holy Trinity; Marx (the Father), Lenin (the Son), and the Communist Party (the Holy Ghost) that one day soon we will be re-educated enough to bear the title 'new humans', having conquered our degenerate capitalistic instincts and be found worthy enough to live in a perfect futuristic communist society, possibly in downtown Baltimore, or Venezuela.
"For Marx so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Manifesto, that whosoever believeth in it should not perish, but be purged at the end of his usefulness."
@Johney Smith If you count the Eastern Roman Empire, then the Roman Empire lasted over a thousand years, at least in name. With the Western Roman Empire, if we include the Republic, then it lasted about 800 years.
Johney Smith
I like your posts, they are interesting.
However, the Western name you have used to trick the readers is spelled incorrectly. To implement 三十六计 more effectively for your masters, you need to be more observant of Western ways. Reduce your Chinglish too.
I’d be living in Hong Kong too, We are multicultural in Australia, with only a few uneducated about history, and others still healing from their hereditary pasts, which is part of the process, We have Chinese people coming here to study and stay with Australian families, no problems to Aussie’s, We have our freedom ‘s, We watch what we want on tv, eat what we want, debate if we want, we have reconciliation day’s, we have the New Zealand Haka at our footy games when they play, we have muslim Church’s, catholic, christian, anglican, ect ect, Our police force is great minus a few, their friendly, say hello or give a smile, So much more to tell about our Lucky country. After all that,, II think the Chinese Gov should leave Hong Chong alone,, Live and let live. I wish them peace and much love in their Rights. ⭐️ Who are we if we don’t have our freedom ?
Not really. He is off as far as desribing the whole of China. The wealth is only within the Han province. Most of China is still living dirt poor
All of China deserves to live like Hong Kong. Let Freedom ring. A free China will also free the people of North Korea.
Excellent sentiment, Jer. I agree wholeheartedly in principle, but what's the plan to get there?
Yes, it is nice to have a fight with the police when we feel like it and to throw bricks at glass windows.
I'm hoping the freedoms allowed in Hong Kong spread to mainland china. Or at least the rest of china is able to see what is possible when the individual is allowed to determine their own path in life constrained by the freedom of the market place rather than told by the state.
When a repressive state government wants to force their control over a people who had been promised 30 more years of freedom and independence how should they act? Yes, I wish they could simply march in the streets with their colorful umbrellas to keep their freedom but communist china would simply arrest them all and send them to "re-education" camps when the world wasn't watching as they have done with muslim chinese groups in the western provinces.
Too hard dude. As a Chinese I can only tell you it is too way hard.
Excellent, informative presentation. Thank you sir. 💕🕵🏼♀️
Incredibly wise man. I love the angle from which he talks about this whole thing going on with China lately. Time will tell. Let's see.
Edit: this was actually recorded 3 years ago! Looking back what he said was like a prophecy.
His he safe? Or mysteriously disappear?
@Johney Smith Oh look a Chinese troll masquerading under an American name.
Prophecy? Where are the civil war?
@Johney Smith Another 50 center.
@@mich722 idiot!
His insight and analysis are in-depth and interesting. Love it.
This video is incredibly important. The truth is that Hong Kong has nothing in common with the mainland. It is like if we forced Canada and the United States to integrate politically. It can't work. It is an even bigger leap because Hong Kong is a free city, while China is an authoritarian system.
13 colonies can make other states 'join' US; North can make South 'join' US; US couldn't make Canada join only because US lost the war of 1812.
Well in that I agree with you. I think each system has its merit and demerits.
hk is free,but unlike west, why?communist get rich. the world aslo faces the same issue that is the chioce between freedom and Money from CCP
@@shayantamdas5059 u couldnt know communist country, with the fact that free speech is a sort of crime, ex,when u criticize xi ,u.would put in jail and disappeared
Not Canada! It's like forcing Cuba and the US to integrate...
Very interesting. Enjoyed your interview with great interest. Thanks for sharing.
Wow, this is very eye-opening, thank you for this video
Hong Kong is stuck between a rock and a hard place. The young protesters in HK are right to fight against any overreach from the CCP but at the same time many of them struggle to live in the most unaffordable, crowded city with crippling wealth inequality.
one problem at a time prioritized.
Socialists are not so into redistributing the wealth, they redistribute the manifacturing materials. By doing so they might crush some biggest capitalists, so that s why you see the protest
@kalm dwn They aren't just sending out feelers. 28 years is not a long time. Whatever the Chinese strategy, you can bet it's already in full-swing and has been for awhile.
@@hadang7899 No. socialists control their own means of production. You should read real definitions from time to time
@hadang7899 before the 1997 handover/changeover, the British Hong Konger capitalist ruling class already don't distribute wealth but created a huge wide gap gulf between the have and havenots (i.e. the current angry youth teenage protestors coming of age in these just less than 20 years after 1997).
How about a collapse of the banking system in CHINA? rather than an uprising or power struggle at the top. how would the work force react to a recession?
Fantastic channel. You have the real experts talking real truth. Amazingly insightful.
This man is brilliant ,analyzed the protest in Hong Kong now and the Future HK 2047. I'm enjoy this "lectures "
Been living in US for 30+ years, I used to think China may claps or end in civil war but now I'm not so sure which country would have a civil war first, China and US :)
You've heard it before, "tell me something I don't know" Well, heh heh this is it. I learned something new
Please interview this brilliant intellectual again as soon as possible.
Bravo! All words of wisdom. I wish I had seen this earlier.
This was published in 2016 yet it is spot on for today's ills
In 2014, there was a riot too by these same rioters. No surprise to be spot on when he was talking of it, because the rioting now is really a continuation of that same riot.
I love this channel so much!
Where is the next part of this video? A very interesting to keep listening and helpful learning tool.
What a thoughtful and articulate man!
Taiwan and HK always will have a Western mind bcs for so many years they have lived in freedom and although they are proud of being Chinese they don't want to be under mainland rule.
While there is a pocket of older generation that regards themselves as chinese, majority of Taiwanese actually just see themselves as Taiwanese. The mentality is no different than an American or Canadian calling themselves American/ Canadian even though their ancestors may have came from UK, Ireland, etc. Taiwan has been self ruling for awhile and despite pressure from the chinese it actually is still doing alright.
@@taoyu2806 that's just totally untrue. Most of Hong Kong's population originate from the mainland, and if you believe that the British somehow captured all those people, took ownership of them and forced them to work, well, you are sadly deluded.
Tao Yu ohhh.. did u know hk slaves per capita income was USD 37000 and main land China was usd 2250.. n not to mention freedom of thoughts, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, thousands more
Martin Cleary its sad how ccp brainwash their people but the saddest part is those people can even realise the truth even when they are out of their country for years.
Actually most Taiwanese do not consider themselves as Chinese. When the KMT retreated to Taiwan they were approximately 30% of the total population in Taiwan. Most ppl had been there for generations and had lived through life under different types of society.
CCP is only treading softly now because Taiwan is watching closely IMO.
The CCP is treading softly, because if not the world would turn against them.
@Tech Tacho and if they get taiwan as well, which country/ies are next? Korea? japan?
Japan's populace is still anti-war but if taiwan gets absorbed by china, that sentiment might change.
question is would N.korea do the smart thing as form an alliance with china and try to unify the two korea? or would S.korea support its estranged "brother" to resist China?
i'm considering the worst case scenario that China would possibly commit if they deployed their military.
It's better to be AWARE and AWAKE NOW, so millennials from al over the World
Realize THE REAl CHINA,
A TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY,
WHERE THE LEADERS are RICH, their friends and relatives TOO
But MIDDLE CLASS and
POOR are suffering JUST
LIKE any other COUNTRY
It’s okay, let HK burns and CCP will rebuild after 2047
@@virginiacampodonico5215, no totalitarian regime is able to change, . . . Money managers the world round, see that, China will never be safe for money~they want China to be dismantled, . . . A billion Chinese would like to "get on" Wikipedia and a real search engine~they desire their very own individual freedom~they have various perceptions of the fact that, because it cannot change, their governmental structure must be dismantled, . . .
THE YOU MR TL Tsim. VERY INFORMATIVE
Love this channel so much!!
THE PEOPLE OF HONG KONG MUST UNITE AND SHOWUP IN MASS.......END GAME!
Highly recommended documentary: The Coming War on China, award winning journalist John Pilger.
Search the title in UA-cam.
Very informative!
Is there a podcast format for this interview and others in general?
I remember a holy man once said: no tyranny lasts a 100 years.
Very true. 70 years seems the norm nowadays. The USSR lasted 70 years.
@Oaktreeman It would be a miracle, if China's CCP is overthrown on its 70th year.
Did you say tyranny ? Do you consider one who bring 300 millions people out of poverty within 30 years a tyrant ?
Eddie Loke They could have lifted people out of poverty without oppressing Falunggong members and Uighurs muslims.
Eddie Loke Lifting people out of poverty doesn’t necessarily include curtailing freedom of speech and snatching five booksellers out of the blue.
Hongkongers said, they are not Chinese, they are Hongkongers. Nothing is more valuable than democracy and freedom. Hongkongers have nothing to lose. Fighting for their Democracy and freedom is the right thing to do. When it comes to fighting for freedom and democracy, there's no such thing that is late or too late. Sometimes it takes decades or even a century to attain freedom and democracy #StandWithHongkong
Hongkonger are not Chinese 😂 what are you
Eric Vannavong They have already said that they are Hong Kongers. Seems like you can’t read what they wrote. The issue here is nationality, not ethnicity/race. Many confuse nationality with ethnicity and race, especially PRCs, but often, non-PRC ethnic Chinese as well. It is like saying that all White people are the same, that Canadian Caucasians, US Caucasians, Argentinian Caucasians, Romanian Caucasians, Czech Caucasians, French Caucasians, Georgian Caucasians, Estonian Caucasians, etc, are all the same, practise the same culture and uphold the same values. Any Caucasian from any of these countries will tell you that is NOT true.
So, if that is not true for all Caucasians, why do you think it should be true for the Chinese or Han race? The culture and values are very dissimilar between an ethnic Chinese in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, the USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, the UK, etc.
Only uneducated or brainwashed people think that all ethnic Chinese are the same everywhere. Of course, uneducated and brainwashed ethnic Chinese themselves could think this way, and thus compel themselves to behave in similar ways to other ethnic Chinese, thus creating a stereotype.
What a brainwashed idiot
Yet another outstanding post from this Tube-site. So refreshing to find editorial standards like this on UA-cam. That said, UA-cam may yet establish itself as the most powerful entity in the history of abstract media -- if the owners can keep their partisan conceits from ruining it.
This is very eye opening.
this interview is done at least prior 2017.... =_=
yes, it was published in december 2016.
Never seen such an insightful interview
I have studied some Chinese history as well and I do have to agree with what he is saying
Amazing intelligent man
interesting perspective on the Chinese Dynasties 👍
An excellent insight.
Its time for the Chinese People get organised and to rise up and defeat the CCP. Democracy is a better way to live! Jimmy
世界上的民主国家有很多，发达国家只有少数。分裂后中国，有些地方像台湾，韩国，有些像菲律宾。彼此之间还会有战争。美国会支持一些地方政府，俄罗斯支持另一些。甚至日本都会施加影响。原来的中国各自为战，但人民都自由民主的生活着。
Naive. Feel bad for you
Yes, China should be like India, the biggest democracy in the world. A world with widespread poverty and corruption offers many opportunities.
@@StupidLionSc Too naive to feel
@Thousand Wishes 这方面中国要改进的地方还很多。希望经济的一点点发展会对推动社会公平和法治
Just like in three kingdoms total war!
I enjoyed this whole conversation TL Tsim. I think this time things are different. The world was based on agriculture and wind, water, and muscle energy with the tipping point to thermal energy about 1820. The population sustainable by the planet was about 1.1 Billion people and about about 0.1 Billion were wealthy and the rest 1.0 Billion were impoverished. The dominant form of government was a class system where the wealthy class make all the rules for everyone else and had the capacity to purchase or use force to get their way. The history you read about China and for that matter anywhere on the planet was this agriculture class society.
The change to thermal machines caused an increase in the production of food and an increase in population. The upper class stayed at about 9% of the population as it grew to today it is about 7.3 Billion and a steady compounding rate, however; the wealth in the hands of the 9% only grew by about 30% while the portion of people at the poverty level rose at a slower rate then the population until about 1970 reaching a peak of about 1.8 B. The compounding rate didn't change but the poverty level started to decrease at an accelerating rate till today it is about 0.8 Billion. This includes in China Mr. Tsim.
I believe that individualism exist in China and that as the people get wealthy the fact that they see free enterprise and individual choices make their lives better then the nature of China will be altered. The Roman's develop the welfare state as a means of maintaining sufficient portion of the population dependent on a 'master mind' style government. China socialist, governing upper class, may limit their own economic advancement to maintain a dependent class, a certain level of poverty. The push to put a leash on Hong Kong is a realization of the problem created by wealth. Taiwan represents the same problem that they will not address until they gain experience in Hong Kong. Will the government stand or will it fall apart as the USSR did? The problem is that the bureaucrats that are the means of performing government functions employ more then the 9% of the population which mean they have to be from the people being suppressed.
If Chinese people want stability and peace, they must adopt democracy.
jenny li , do you mean to be under US and adopt the American Democracy and imperialism?
The Hong Kong movement signals the beginning of the end !
I fear what is in store for Hong Kong. Can you imagine having your freedoms stripped from you making you subject to totalitarian laws which prohibits you from speaking out or freedom to do what you want with your life...
@grigori yevimovich rasputin No one who has lived in freedom wants to live under communism. The mainlanders know no better and have no choice, if they criticize the regime, their life will be ruined.
Amazing man! And speaker!
When was this interview filmed?
Wow, so balanced. So unbiased. I wish more people are like him.
Interesting take on the situation. Very informative.
Excellent presentation.
The world is one big family, we need to think on that line 🙏🏻
I think he meant 1.4 billion
Common issue When yr brain is Chinese n tongue is English 😘
Yes 😋
@@philippelee5720 is it the cause of mental disorder?
Pankaj Gupta no its because of two different linguistic systems. You guys will find it easy to learn Germany, Greeks and other Latin based language. Try learn Chinese or Japanese? Same to us. We segrate numbers with four decimals, while English segrate it with 3. That's how he messed with expression.
...hmmm... or is he? Maybe that is why he thinks the protests pretty small.
HK doesn't have its own army, can not start a 'civil war ' . It is a province in SAR ....with majority of the population want democracy and personal freedom from the rest of the mainland population; not between two countries.
Neither did the people in Bucharest in 1989. It didn't stop them. Numbers count. Literally.
Unfortunately, the speaker is woefully misinformed about the collapse of the USSR. The USSR collapsed purely due to financial issues, not one of a division of power. They could no longer afford to keep control of all of the areas in the USSR. In terms of China, they're currently in Era of Yuri Andropov. He did largely the exact same things Xi Jingping is trying to do and that largely led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Now whether or not that'll happen in China is still up for debate since the situation is different, but this is currently exactly how the collapse of the USSR started. Similar policies, similar domestic issues, and similar financial issues. Even a similar leader. It's scary how closely the situation mirrors what happened in USSR.
Please note: This video is 3 years old, prior to the current protests in HK. Notice he mentioned the previous CE , Mr CY Leung.
This is an old interview just republished. Not hardly relevant now.
He is brilliant scholar and knows his stuff , RESPECT
and leaving us on a positive note ....
Hong Kong's struggle is existential...
Communism of triads
Gangster State.
Another Gordon “Coming collapse of China” Chang.
Praise comrade Chang for being strategy fool-U agent for 20 ys.
RVF, is pushing out lots of china related content these last few days... love it! Make the world see China for what it is!
Deep and wise. I learned.
The World is always hungry for Popcorn! Let the Battle Begin! Fight!
What else can we do other than watching it.
This man is quite brilliant.
normal we would say - american will call it brilliant as they are not used to normal sayings or reflection
Ordinary, in fact.
michael wallden European on his high horse spotted. Almost like little brother syndrome. Sorry Europe’s power declined and the US took over little brother. Mommy and Daddy still love you. And Europeans have no moral high ground to stand on.
Especially coming from Brits (yes, you are European despite how many of you claim not to be) or an Australian. I lived and worked in HK for 2 years and have been living and working in mainland China for over 5. The Brits and Australians I’ve worked with tend to be incredible arrogant despite knowing next to nothing about HK/China. Of course, not all. But it tends to be a trend.
@@bigmacsalad you seems to be one of the americans who have no knowledge about the world outside america. Fascinating to se a country who are not great anymore and struggles.
michael wallden That’s pretty funny considering I’ve lived in 3 Asian countries and Spain, speak English, Mandarin and Spanish fluently as well as traveled to many others. I’m sure there is so much you could teach me.
Very good.
The problem of the British judiciary system is the culprit of the giving great difficulties to the HK government in keeping peace in Hong Kong. The foreign judges are releasing rioters not withstanding their very serious offences.
Not true at all. Ask the coal miners if their lives improve. Some say lung cancer mostly
HK people love to work hard all their life and finally can afford an apartment smaller than most of yours bath room.
Let them be this way, because they have freedom!!!!!
But their demand hostile to HK elites and your British conglomerates who acquire almost HK property there.
While they raise American flag,actually they need socialist!!
Making you the richer who have long taken advantage off from them will have to pay back.
Blaming China when the HK billionnaire have all the money... makes sense
Is there unity in the party about long term goals and how to achieve them? That could be the catalyst for internal unrest to put it politely
Mr Tsim is very wise and his understanding of history is the basis for understanding the present. Will China ever make the transition from 人制 to 法制?
Stopped watching when said, first job for the BBC. Saved 21 minutes and 5 seconds of my life.
But comments are so funny!😂😂
Hongkong is freedom democracy period
Mr. Tsim misunderstands the surrender of the Soviet Union. President Reagan did not simply sit down and chat with Gorbachev in Iceland. Reagan demonstrated to Gorbachev that the US military knew where every leader of the Soviet Union was currently located and had the means to liquidate them all in a matter of hours.
Don’t worry about capital flight. Just print up some more. Really no problem. We have tool box.
Hong Kong should have never reverted back to China in the first place - just a silly idea after 100 years of normal living.
Yeah the British colonial masters betrayed the Hong Kongers. They also refused the British Hong Kong colonial subjects/citizens carrying British Hong Kong passports the right of abode in Britain.
The irony about the internal conflicts of socialist countries is that the more you suppress conflict and different opinions the faster the systems will crumble.
especially in the age of the Internets!
The shortest dynasty is not the YUAN dynasty, it should be the SUI dynasty.
T L Tsim's thoughful analysis of China is amazing. Perfect, lucid analysis of the current situation and possible future. For me the scary possibility is the possibility for future civil war in China. If I were pressed upon this point, I would think this is the most likely outcome of future China. This stems for the section Mr. Tsim gives on the length of China royal dynasties versus western dynasties. Reviewing wikipedia on China's history from fall of Qing dynasty in 1910 into the 1930s with Japanese invasion, all I see is civil war with warlords splitting up the country. The contrarian bet would be that China does not continue on the upward course of economic expansion, but rather due to political frustrations, will collapse back into internal conflict.
07:50 Yeah dude because the data coming out of China is 100% legit !
LOL
SPQRapid every country fluffs up their numbers. But the Chinese economy has been growing rapidly due to its large industrial capital and expansion of its banking system
@@wezzie1877 you CANNOT compare the rest of the world with China, because China is communist ! LOL
I think the way he said it you can tell he doubts that number. Like hes only giving the devil their due. Probably scared of a bullet, or fall, or poison etc
@@wezzie1877 Expansion of banking system is the creation of 50 trillion out of thin air to prop up zombie companies and push their hegemony. It is utter destruction of those in its way including those that support western ways.
Confucius Say: ''Arrogance before the fall''.
End the CCP! Embrace authentic freedom for all of China!
15:23 does anyone know why he says this? what implications would this have for Hong Kong?
It's coming.... to CCP.
Qin Shi Huang's dynasty lasted 20 years or so? That was the shortest I'd say. Not 100, but 20.
Nothing was said by this person about the young people not wanting communism any more. China could do ok or it could have a complete regime change.
He missed all the CIA's role in breaking countries, supporting armed oppositions.
But CIA don't understand Chinese view or culture anymore. What they've made in HK make Chinese more consolidate and footnote this CIA evil doing in their revenge book.
Changing a battery for a 14 Ford fusion
Dude, I'm in australia and we had a thirty year mortgage too...
What a Filthy Fake wolf in sheep’s clothes!!
I hope that freedom wins for the Chinese in Hong Kong and in mainland. I hope that mainland china recognizes the true evils of communism and how that can really turn to harm the people greatly. I hope Hong Kong will become their own sovereign nation. Hopefully they will become a Democratic republic like the US.
Hopefully Chinese traditions and culture will be able to return, the regime tried to wipe-out a lot of it and change the culture of the population.
Wishful thinking. It will never happen! The Chinese people will not let it happen. You don't know the true Chinese when it comes to their country. A few Chinese are making noise about freedom and democracy but majority of the population don't want your so called democratic corrupt ways.
@@ricchmus that's why a REPUBLIC will always dominate a democracy. I see be all your other comments you are definitely #1 troll, doesn't work with me. President Trump WILL bring China to it's knees, with the help of his followers by BOYCOTTING China made products. I feel all of the Trump followers can deliver China a "1929 Depression" with a 😜😜😜😜😜
Published on November 4th, 2016 on Real Vision ？？？ Is this video reposted?
Wait how old is this video? I thought Carrie Lsmb is the chief executive?
Old , out of date content meant to simply be something to post for the sake of posting content
It's reposted (as they stated) but not out-of-date by measure of relevance. By such measure, it's more timely than when originally released.
@@OG_Jin_Bling I stand corrected
For those who arent getting this when its originally released its new. Least its new to me
I appreciate this wise mans thoughts.. Is it not time the Chinese join the world of democracy. ??Communism is a system of greed that always fails..
Freedom and democarcy are this centery's biggest jokes.
I only know you fail
@@jackitan1809 you are this centuries biggest joke. You are not a clown, you are the entire circus.
Very insightful and sordid truth
The CCP will desolve in my life time.
he confused trillion with billion. its 1.4 billion chinese not 1.4 trillion
Obviously
Sounds like a very intelligent man
He tell the truth
The first lie. “ we enjoy these freedoms , we always have “ There were no such freedoms under British rule and there was wholesale poverty too.
This gentleman knows his stuff.