Who Would Canonically Win? - Ike vs. Richter Belmont
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Who would win in a fight between Ike from Fire Emblem and Richter Belmont from Castlevania? Today we break down all of their abilities and have an animated battle to figure out the answer. Smash Bracket is an animated Vs Battle series created by InkThinks dedicated to answering the question... Who is canonically the strongest character in Super Smash Bros. History?
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Music- @SkyeTV22
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@RoundTableAnimation
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Josh Poore - Richter Belmont
Anerdymous - Ike
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Robin
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Researchers
Robin
Someguy
Robot972
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Wind
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Thumbnail art by @carbonated-jem3424
Ricter: hates vampires
Also ricter: throws knives in frozen time.
USELESS USELESS USELESS!
Is that a freaking jojo reference
Sakuya got a haircut?!
That's a fucking JoJo reference.
@@Aaa-vp6ugonly based person here
There is also the fact that most of Richter's weapons, while great against the undead and Dracula, aren't as effective on human opponents, giving him an inherent disadvantage against Ike.
Ike isn’t a human iirc
@@litessbu he is. He's just beyond superhuman. His dad was one of the greatest swordsmen on the continent of Telius before he crippled himself following a tragic accident and his mom was human as seen in a cutscene in I believe Radiant Dawn.
@@litessbuhe’s not undead. Ike from at least his mom side has definitely siren blood since she and mist can hold onto the fire emblem (of there game) but even if the dad was also half human, this would still make most to almost all of richter’s weapons useless. Since they only work on evil, unholy, or undead creatures. Plus different god. At the end of radiant dawn micaiah and Ike kill their creator(s). So they’re clearly not under earths religious beliefs. Not sure how the holy water effects you when your one of ashera’s children.
@@litessbunot undead either lmao he's an emblem
I'm glad someone said this. In battles like this, specialized weapons like holy water are either a trump card or a wasted effort
Another great episode guys. Was fun learning about these characters I only know from Smash. Their back stories were very interesting.
And yeah the fight was amazing. One of the best 3D ones I've seen. Glad lke won.
Consider me excited for Luigi vs Simon and King Boo vs Gengar
First
Lugi wins by doing nothing
I agree
@@kris.p.bacon1361 I Hope They'll Make Him Do Nothing
That Radiant Aether at the end was so incredibly smooth
These fights just get more and more fun to watch. The animation was really good, and it was pretty fun learning about some new characters that I didn't really know. Everyone did great, and while I pretty much knew nothing about Ike or Richter before this, the fight is honestly in my top 5 right now. Excited for Luigi vs Simon, and I'll definitely be tuning in for King Boo vs Gengar!
Dope episode. Every time a Fire Emblem character is used for a versus video, I have to show up. I love this series so much. Honestly, it's underrated.
I like Ike significantly more, but the Castlevania verse is just ridiculous
Edit: Holy shit, my boy won!
Ike's games aare insane too, the man beats up literal gods
That's Ike for ya
@@azuremoon4372 Ah, yes... Literal gods such as: 20 human generals, a guy that transforms into a big cat, 2 dragons, and a demon (?) dragon, whatever Ashnard is. I get that people doesn't play Castlevania as much as Fire Emblem, but this video is literally saying that Krillin could defeat Goku just because he's the strongest human... The only god (yeah, singular) it defeats is Ashera, and it is with a team helping him...
@@azuremoon4372 And with the help of another god if I remember correctly.
@@Popinazo Well if you want to fact check Ike's feats like that, you need to do the same for Richter. And truth is, the main reason why any Belmont successfully defeats Dracula and his minions is because they have weapons specifically made to slay demonic enemies, making most of his arsenal completely useless against anyone who isn't vulnerable to holly weapons. And they would likely get stomped by most demons if they didn't have holly weapons. And sometimes they even need help from Alucard, Dracula's son.
Really amazing animation but I’m ngl y’all did Richter dirty. Like of course this battle was gunna be a stomp if you leave out all of richters meaningful feats.
It doesn't really matter since all of his experience was against monster enemies, and Richter doesn't really need to fight humans. Ike has experience against multiple different kinds of enemies so he has the battle knowledge advantage plus the fact that Richter's abilities are weak against humans.
@@RushWheeler Ike: Fights predominantly humans
Richter: Fights a diverse group of monsters, including people, and Vampires as well who tend to be fairly even with people in terms of cunning and versatility.
You: Yeah Ike has better experience yeah makes sense.
@@dippin4dots what I meant is that his whole kit is designed specifically to kill monsters. Even with his combat skill, though, Richter can't beat someone who could one-shot Grima, which is a continental-level feat.
@@RushWheeler I mean Richter fights a lot of humanoid enemies that're faster and stronger than humans so that doesn't work as an arguement
First of all, major kudos to the animation team. Getting that chain whip right to move around like that and having Richter nearly jump rope with it was a great flex (but giving a metal whip bullwhip sfx? psshh) It was pretty obvious who was going to win, but pretty spectacular to watch anyways. The music also goes really hard in this one.
Next time, double episode for Halloween? Talk about a loaded month. I'm really looking forward to King Boo vs Gengar. Not so much because of the debate part of things, but because it's just an excuse to get creative and run wild with the animation. I grew up with the original series of Pokemon, and Gastly's introduction episode did a good job establishing that ghosts in that series are Looney Toons who don't play by any rules.
For the tournament as a whole, I was kind of expecting Fire Emblem outside of Byleth to have a pretty flat statline because of the 3DS feats, so Ike leaping from Mach 111 to Mach 6,000 was kind of nuts. I always thought Meteor simply spawned magical meteors to drop on the opponents, so learning they were actually being ripped from space was a surprise. Now that Castlevania has been set to the more grounded gothic horror series that it is where characters aren't at risk of somehow blowing away the multiverse with each hit, and Sonic is set to feats he can actually cash in on, I guess Sora is next on the list of characters who get grotesquely overscaled.
On topic of skills vs time stop, if Richter were to attack Ike while time stopped, wouldn't that still trigger Vantage to make sure Ike gets the first swing in regardless? Unlike other games, Mia taught me that Path of Radiance Vantage is just guaranteed to work unconditionally. Pretty sure his version of miracle also leaves him at half health instead of 1HP like other characters, so even if Richter somehow killed him, there would be a solid chance Ike comfortably tanks it anyways and heals with an elixir.
Those were richter’s whip sfx from smash
Y’all did absolutely incredible work with this episode. I’ve tried choreographing whips in battle a few times before but this is simply top notch.
17:15 this shot specifically, I genuinely can’t get enough of.
This was such an epic fight, really love the animation.
After hearing about their stories I feel like the two would be buds.
This was great! I really love just how much weight was behind every single swing of the Ragnell, Ike's sheer overwhelming power is one of the things he's most known for, so I'm glad it was represented well.
Super excited for those next time reveals, too. That CC episode has been a long time coming, can't wait to see when it drops!
Great video but please when taking account of things like meteors or partner block in fate, please do not forget that most of theses were thought of with the RULE OF COOL IN MIND.
Theses aren't safe feats to include, just some outsiders that exist either because of mechanics, or because the developper thought that it would be really cool if Ike dodged meteors or Richter punched bullets.
Power scaling inna nutshell.
Ignore entire setting and all anti feats to wank as high as you can with small technicalities.
Yeah that sadly won't happen. This is so unfair to games that don't go for that kind of stylistic choice.
It just makes no sense to assume that like, everyone in FE is Mach X and move so fast time seems to stop, like come on. It's just for having the action readable.
Bracket rules even state that cutscenes take precedence over gameplay for abilities and never do we see any FE character move that fast.
But for some reason nobody in the versus community likes to apply conservative thinking/common sense to have fights that are more than "X stomps 'cause they are FTL 2000 so Y has no way to win"
I really hope they address that or all matchups featuring a FE character will become incredibly predictable and boring.
@@KalaamNozalysget used to it, pretty much every game series has those situations. At least this way it isn’t based off of whatever the narrator arbitrarily decides to let slide.
@@Edgeperor It kind of is. For the Isaac research I try very hard to find speed feats, including some I find ridiculous and for some reason they are refused
I you guys don't really do scaling after reading the rules and all but. I feel like there are some aspects of this that feel off when you describe that "Richter is the strongest belmont so far" when by that logic strength and speed feats of prior belmonts likely would at least transfer over to some degree if you're phrasing it like that. I understand that obviously some abilities don't transfer over like Juste's magic arts but there definitely a bit more to pull from to at least get a couple other strength feats here and there.
Likely wouldn't effect the results just an aspect of the episodes script that kinda.. confused me considering your rules
Okay I wanna preface this by saying that while I don't know much about Richter or Castlevania besides the Netflix show and that I'm a huge Ike and Fire Emblem fan, a lot of the research for Ike and Fire Emblem seems kind of off. Nothing against the animation or the work put into editing the video and all that, but IMO there's some inaccuracies for the feats and capabilities of Ike and Fire Emblem in general. This is gonna be long so bear with me ToT thanks! Also there will be spoilers so be warned!
I'll start with the skills they gave Ike since that's the most glaring issue. The first one they mention is a skill that reduces damage by 80% but I don't think there is a skill that does that. The closest thing I remember is Pavise which just negates damage when activated but Ike does not have that skill and does not typically learn that in Lore/Canonically and also doesn't gameplay wise unless you purposefully gave it to him. The other option they could've been suggesting is his fathers axe Urvan which does in fact negate 80% damage but only after you've been hit a 2nd time and it has to be consecutive strikes and the ability only appears in the Spin-Off mobile game Fire Emblem Heroes or Feh. However I don't think Ike used Urvan in the actual fight. Basically what I'm saying is Ike doesn't have a skill in lore that reduces Damage by 80%. In Engage as a spirit he "technically" has a skill that negates damage by 50% called Laguz Friend that he can give to whoever engages with him but if you do you can't dodge any attack.
The video also mentions that Ike has Distant Counter from Feh but he only gets Distant Counter from his weapon Ragnell and he himself does not have that skill unless they're talking about Young Ike which is one of his alts in Feh. The skill also doesn't "return" damage it just lets him hit ranged enemies. His skill Counter is from Smash Bros. and iirc Sakurai said that Counter is basically the equivalent of an enemy phase in Fire Emblem so when an opponent attacks you on enemy phase you can still counter attack but it's not an actual skill Ike has.
The other skill they mentioned is Frenzy which Ike also does not have in Feh unless you purposefully gave it to him. Only one of his Alts in Feh has a skill that reduces damage based on speed and that's his Fallen version (he has a skill similar in effect but its name is Repel) also I won't get into it but Fallen Ike is pretty much an alternate what if scenario so it's non Canon.
They also mention Ike can poison people? Which isn't really a thing Ike does either in-character or with any of his skills or weapons. I mean you can give him a weapon called Venin Edge but I think you have to steal it or something and it's not that great. They also mention he can stop his enemies from healing? That's not a thing Ike can do either unless they mean he just kills them. I don't remember if there's a status ailment that negates healing but I don't think there is. There are skills like paralysis that just prevent characters from doing anything until they are healed but I'm pretty sure Ike can't inflict it.
The video does mention one thing right though Ike does have a skill that negates all enemies combat related skills its called Nihil and he gets it when he promotes.
Ike cannot invert his enemies stat boosts. His Fallen alt from Feh can invert his own penalties into buffs but again non-canon. Ike also does not have the skill obstruct unless you give it to him and even then it doesn't work the way they explain it. Obstruct prevents enemy units from passing them and the areas near them but doesn't stop people from attacking them. It's like a character acting like a wall pretty much.
Ike once again doesn't come with the Miracle skill in any of his appearances unless you specifically gave him the Miracle Scroll in PoR or RD and in other titles where he does appear you either A. can't give him miracle because he can't reclass into a class with that skill like in Awakening and Fates, B. Has to give up his signature skill Aether for Miracle like in Feh, or C. He's a spirit that comes with a specific set of skills like in Engage.
The video classifies his abilities Aether and Radiant Aether as two separate abilities which isn't necessarily wrong but it also isn't correct either. Aether is originally Ike's own personal skill which originates from his game but iirc because of its popularity they brought it back in Fe Awakening as a skill both Chrom and Lucina could use. So when Feh came around Aether was a skill that Chrom, Lucina, Ike and a bunch of other characters could use because of its inheritability. So when legendary Ike came around in order to make him more marketable and I guess probably to either pay homage to the original user or give Ike some sort of distinction they gave him Radiant Aether which is a better Aether because it has a lower charge time but has a similar affect. In Engage Ike has the Great Aether which functions differently than every other Aether in the series but I'm not gonna get into that.
The video cherry pick information a bit. It mentions that Aether can heal 50% of the damage dealt while negating all defense. Which is like half right. In its original 2 games it heals all damage dealt with its first strike and then negates all enemy defense with its second strike. In awakening and fates It heals 50% of the damage dealt with its first strike and then negates 50% of the enemies defense with the second hit. In Feh it combines both strikes into 1 attack that negate damage by 50% and heals for 50%. Finally in Engage Great Aether boosts defense and res by 5 and then doesn't negate defense at all and heals for 30% in a 2 range AOE.
Moving on to lore vs. gameplay most characters in FE aren't fast enough to dodge a real life meteor and Ike is no exception. Characters can all die relatively easily to any common weaponry. I mean spoilers even Dimitri from 3houses who's among the stronger Lords gets killed in like 3/4 routes by faceless schmucks. Similarly going again into spoiler territory another lord named Sigurd who's also among the upper echelon of the Lords in power is killed by a group of Fire Mages in story but would have almost no issue surviving them in the gameplay.
Fe character are definitely in the realm of superhuman but not like ridiculously superhuman. Also there's a lot of stuff in FE that needs to be separated story and gameplay wise. One of the examples that was listed was in Fates where if you build the chain guard pretty much anybody can "stop time" and block incoming damage but once again that's not really accurate to what can be done in the story or in the cutscenes. Pretty much no one in FE is going like Mach 5380 otherwise they'd have the ability to blitz armies. Like the fastest characters are typically sword masters that can create after images and even then that's only on critical hits and nowhere near how fast they are portraying Ike.
A lot of the time in the franchise most of the human characters have ridiculous striking strength and good speed in the story but are still very human when it comes to durability. I mean most characters could probably survive a sword strike or even three but they'd probably die. Ike being "possibly" and that's a very big possibly among the couple of humans in the franchise that could actively take a lot of hits from all sorts of weapons before folding and that's because of shaky evidence from stuff like the Drama CD where it shows Ike just casually face tanking Micaiah's Thani and getting stronger from getting hit, or how in engage where his Emblem is the "tank" emblem and is supposed to get stronger the more damage he takes, or this very popular tactic in the Fe community called Wrath/Resolve Ike in PoR where the more damage Ike took the more of a menace he became which was so popular they implemented it into Engage hence the "tank" emblem I mentioned previously.
Also story wise the video only covers like half of Ike's story? It covers only Path of Radiance and doesn't really even mention the sequel he appears in Radiant Dawn. The video makes it seem like he's equal to the Black Knight in PoR but BK was holding back and the video says that his sword is infused with the power of the Blue Flame or Chaos which isn't wrong but it only gets infused with that power in the sequel. It's initially only blessed by half of a goddess and is infused with the power of order.
There's more I can probably talk about but I don't wanna spend all day writing this so I'll just leave it as this. I just think that there are some glaring issues in the research and cherry picking of information and skills regarding Ike/Fire Emblem. Whether it be taking what was shown in the gameplay too literally/misinterpreting just giving/making up Ike's skills. If anybody knows more about Castlevania and about Richter please reply and tell me what you thought of the end result. I feel like Castlevania is just a tad higher than Fire Emblem in the scale.
It's kinda the difficult thing with characters like both Richter and Ike. Ike has a bit more material than Richter to work with Even if a lot of it is interpretations of skills. Even still I feel that the interpretations for Ike were very generous and Richter's interpretations were very restricted. They bring focus to the holy weaponry likely not being effective on Ike, however within many castlevania games even enemies that resist holy attacks (Like angels, valkyries, and even Alucard) still take heavy amounts of damage from them. Theres also Agunea a subweapon that can channel lightning as well so not all of his sub-weapons are holy only. Plenty of enemies also can use lightning (Example being the same enemy they get for bullet deflection) which if you want to be *as* generous like with the meteor feat he could also be considered to be dodging. You also could take into account that he's capable of breaking through huge walls, floors, and ceilings by throwing axes, knives, or even his own martial arts. Hell could even do something with the sheer speed he can throw knives with something like thousand blades. Even if stuff like this doesn't make much difference with calcs it's still more than the 2 they gave him
I fully understand that SB does not do scaling at all but when you feel you're this limited (And when even your script implies he's stronger than other belmonts) He probably should at least get some other feats from them. Or even Dracula (WHO ALSO HAS A METEOR FEAT). If you're gonna be that generous with animations like that, why not be equally generous towards animations in castlevania? Where the same technique Richter has Grand Cross is used in a later entry and is seen to be effecting the environment in the background with chunks of the castle raining down. While Richter does not do this and is done by Julius, a Belmont stronger than him. While Richter is not at Julius' level. In the fight where Julius does that technique, he is explicitly heavily holding back. With both these factors taken into account you could argue that Richter's own grand cross at it's best could do similar.
I feel like personally Ike probably still maybe wins probably. But Idk that meteor feat just feels off with how they usually do things.
@@ManlyPlant Yeah It just feels like the video seems poorly researched on both fronts where it gasses up a lot of Ike's ability and misinterprets Fire Emblem's lore and power while downplay Castlevania. Based on what you've said they seem like they are downplaying a lot of Richter's Ability like the fact that he can Stop Time or that Dracula also has the ability to call meteors. Also holy weapons are absolutely fine against Ike. One of Ike's weaknesses gameplay wise is his low Res which tbf is a lot of units weaknesses. Story Wise it's a bit iffy but i'll get to that.
I mean make no mistake I think Ike has a chance to win but they say he's going to beat Richter while he's asleep which is just disingenuous to both fighters. There's just no way that Ike has enough endurance to just not take any damage from Richter that's ludicrous.
Ike's best strength feats are like destroying a ruined fortress in one hit and being mostly strong enough to lift boulders if scaled properly, he's able to carry stuff like the Ragnell which is a pretty heavy weapon without any issue, and can go toe to toe with the Laguz who are said to be like really strong in comparison to regular people. Laguz basically have super animal strength.
He's decently fast like he isn't as slow as a lot of people say he is, but he's not going Mach 5380. His best feat of speed is stuff like dodging lightning spells which honestly probably isn't moving at actual lightning speeds, and catching a girl falling from a stand while being a decent distance away.
Durability is a bit iffy because FE is really inconsistent with durability so it's really hard to judge. Like most characters gameplay wise can take thousands of hits without even getting hurt but in cutscenes or story segments they'll cut like butter. Ike as stated in my comment above is one of the few characters I would say POSSIBLY has some kind of BS durability hax. Like his skin or muscle is just more durable or smth. At this point its all theoretical. His defining trait that Intelligent Systems seems to be going for right now is: "the more you hit him the more powerful he gets" type of deal. He's able to tank vague amounts of energy being thrown at him by Half of a Creator Goddess and she has this aura that reflects damage gameplay wise so Ike has enough durability to theoretically survive his own attacks.
His dad died to a single stab wound inflicted upon him by the Black Knight but if you're feeling feisty enough you could argue that since BK has Lion laguz strength which is supposedly strong enough to like lift heavy rocks and probably level portions of castle walls he'd be one of the few capable of harming him at all.
His most touted skill is that he's a really good swordsman. The franchise often depicts him at being unparalleled in combat, he's said to have "invincible" or "supreme" sword skills passed down to him by his father. The video does mention that he's often referred to as the strongest Hero in the franchise which isn't wrong but that title is often contested by the fanbase and numerous characters. A lot of people say Byleth, Corrin, Sigurd, and many more could be considered more powerful than Ike and while I disagree to an extent he's not necessarily winning any of those matchups without some kind of struggle.
So yeah tldr; The Vid gassed up Ike way too much even for my standards. It also feels like they downplayed Richter so bad. I see a lot of the comments on here saying Richter was heavily nerfed and that he should have won the fight.
My respect for Fire Emblem fans: 📈
@@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569That's good I hope lol
The devs consider Fire Emblem Heroes a mainline game which imo makes it canon. Also the Engage DLC added Veronica from Heroes as an emblem making it canon, imo, by inclusion.
People always tell me “the devs are wrong it’s a spin-off not mainline.” Then I just tell them that the Pokémon devs are wrong for saying there are infinite universes because the game developer said all the games and save files are different universes, theoretically making the Pokémon verse have an infinite multiverse.
Nuh-uh man, Richer really hit him with the “THE WORLD” 💀💀
Cool animation, but that meteor scaling really erks me. If it functioned like a real meteor, the entire map would been blown up. And while Ike’s strong, I doubt he would tank nuclear strikes considering the fight that he can be defeated by normal weaponry. Also, cannot forget the fact that you can’t even scratch Ashera or certain characters powered by her unless you use weapons blessed by Yune, and even then Yune needed to use her full powers on specifically Ike so he could finish the battle against Ashera. Ike is one of my favorite characters ever and while I don’t know pretty much anything about Castlevania, Richter was done dirty, especially here 21:52
Yeah, fire emblem wank has skyrocketed since that awful javelin scaling adopted by death battle.
There's a far bigger problem with the matchup than the standalone stats, and that's the matchup itself. See, Richter's fighting style is specifically adjusted to fighting monsters and the undead, which Ike is neither of, rendering all of Richters Holy Weapons pretty much useless (which we even can see in the animation a few times). Weapons like the Holy Water may be devastating against undead creatures from hell, but it won't do anything but be a slight annoyance to human opponents like Ike. This means that Richter's arsenal of combat tools is significantly shrunken, while Ike still has all his abilities, giving him an unfair advantage before the fight even started
@@floatingf8783 Maybe not undead directly, but there surely are some monsters his Holy Weapons would do a lot more damage to. I feel characters like Ganondorf or Bayonetta would certainly struggle against divine-type attacks. Buuut then again Ganondorf already had his fight and I feel like Palutena would be a more fitting matchup for Bayo, so whatever
Remember that this is a tournament with the goal of finding the one true winner. Richter would have eventually ended up fighting a non demon no matter what, so may as well get it over with in round one. Super matchup dependent fighters are better off getting eliminated immediately.
@@floatingf8783
The only truly undead fighter I know of is Minecraft's Zombie, which was never going to win the Minecraft Battle Royale to get into the main tourney.
In fact, it's weak enough that Richter may not even need his holy arsenal to consistently defeat it!
That's not really how it works imo. Richter is throwing axes and knives at people. It doesn't ONLY effect monsters it hurts people too and can kill people too, he just doesn't hunt humans
Smash Bracket: Kirby vs Jigglypuff was an incredibly close fight that could go either way!
Also Smash Bracket: Richter vs Ike is an absolute stomp in Ike’s favor!
(This is far from the biggest stomp you presented lol)
Wow, that animation was beyond stellar.
That being said, I take slight issue with your analysis. While VS debating is a fundamentally subjective art, and thus I’m not of the mind to say that you’re wrong, it feels highly selective to scale Ike to meteors that canonically even low leveled grunts have a decent chance of dodging and that never damage the battlefield as the calcs present here suggest they should, whilst limiting Richter to essentially the weakest level of interpretations, ignoring Castlevania’s absurd lore and the scaling that provides, such as Dracula scaling above entities capable of collapsing the multiverse which is ludicrously more than any of Ike’s foes can boast, or if that’s a bit much, even just the fact that big daddy Drac ALSO likes to toss around meteors.
To be clear, I still really enjoyed this episode and plan to pay your backlog a visit. I learned a while back that getting hung up on the victors of purely hypothetical matchups like this is ultimately pretty pointless, and that there’s something to be said for just enjoying the ride. As such, if you genuinely think Ike’s the forerunner here, more power to you. My feedback is less in response to the outcome, than the breakdown. Scale the characters however makes sense to you, just try to be equitable when representing them.
That next battle... I'm pretty sure Luigi will come out on top here.
Consider this: He and Mario have almost the same skills, which are pretty freaking strong, while Simon... well, this very video says that each Belmont is _stronger_ than the last, and Simon is one of the earliest.
Don’t forget that Mario characters have Multiversal or higher power
@@JoeLigma42 Are you talking about Super Paper Mario? Because that's a completely different universe with different characters.
@@ClashBluelight Actually, Miyamoto has said before that, unlike how there are multiple Links across the Legend of Zelda series, it's always the same Mario in every Mario game. And while Paper Jam does have Mario and Paper Mario as two different characters, other entries in the non-Paper games refer to Paper Mario as happening in the universe (GBA Rainbow Road has PM64's castles in the background, Mario Party 5 has PM64's Star Spirits, Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga has a block from Paper Mario in its museum of past Mario adventures, and several species/enemies that debuted in the Paper Mario games have appeared in non-Paper games like Goomboss or the Whackas).
Even if you were to decide to make a cutoff for which adventures had to take place in a different universe, Super Paper Mario would still be the main universe since the line would be drawn starting with Sticker Star, since that's where the games started to focus on the paper aspects.
@@ClashBluelight No, Paper Mario and Mario are the same character, the Paper Mario games are BOOKS accounting Mario’s adventures
@@JoeLigma42 they can both stand in the same room as each other. They're different people.
This animation is incredible. Loving it Guys. Keep it up!
Meteor isn’t a good feat to use here. It doesn’t come from outer space but just manifests high from the sky. There is a feat though that can be used for durability. In the opening of PoR, a black dragon can be seen destroying a castle effortlessly. By the endgame of both games Ike can take on those dragon in RD Ike can take these blast from the king of dragons. At max def he can take 3 hits before being ko’d if you max his hp and def with other feats and ragnel equipt he can take a few more hits. Compare the destruction for a cattle needing to be destroyed and multiply it by three and you have how much Ike can handle. For reaction time you can use magic. The highest thunder does come from the clouds. It manifests a storm cloud to shoot lighting at it’s targets.
I always thought the same about Meteor being magically generated, but they've got that quote on screen stating otherwise. Idk where they found that or how they gauged the distance from how far away the meteor was pulled, but I'm going to assume with the 'used by evil mages' bit that it was pretty early in the franchise and is going to wind up buffing all of them, and not just Ike.
Richter beat a wyvern as his first boss, and using similar looking enemies for power scaling isn’t accurate, as the power varies from series to series
@@Multienderguy37What that tells you then is that Richter is at the start of Rondo of Blood is stronger than Ike at the beginning of Path of Radiance. Which he should be; Richter fought Death at the start of Rondo while Ike got beat by his crippled dad and needed his dad’s mercenary company to help fight poorly trained brigands.
However, this just shows the difficulty of comparison of games like these: the Belmonts and other protagonists of Castlevania don’t get the length of development that Fire Emblem protagonists do. There are plenty of other characters in the Fire Emblem series who either obtain god slaying capabilities or who are gods themselves lol. You get to see Ike develop and achieve more feats over a lifetime vs. Richter’s being seen in really one game. That’s one reason the comparison seems lopsided, but in the context of a tournament series like this it does fit.
I wouldn't mention the bad endings, Igarashi says Richter did save Annette, and she disappears with him after SoTN (hence the lack of her mention).
Cool episode! Your animations are on point, and that was very satisfying to watch!
I... do have one criticism though, and its been a criticism with several of your recent episodes. In your initial few videos, you seemed to be setting the groundwork for a more realistic vs series, one that still has superhuman abilities, but that are more in line with characterizations that... well... make sense physically. In my opinion, you rightfully criticized some issues with other vs series, which was basically calculated by taking characters most ridiculous animated feats, assigning absurd number values to them to get characters to completely ludicrous power levels that kinda invalidates the rest of the game being remotely plausible, then having them fight using these scaled up power levels. You began this channel trying to be different, making sure that non repeated feats or feats that don't make sense with the rest of the universe weren't counted, making big deals out of things like... Mario running away from a black hole or travelling at the speed of light made zero sense because the background objects don't make sense with this situation.
I hate to say this, but I fear that you've become the thing you were trying to destroy, at least in regards to fire emblem. Meteor does not hit with the force of a nuclear bomb, that is a patently absurd statement. If it did, every time meteor is cast, the surrounding battlefield would have been destroyed, castles would have been completely and utterly pointless, and it would have had an area of effect of the entire battlefield as opposed to that of one tile. If this animation makes it look like a nuclear bomb, this animation is a lie.
Ike dodging a meteor also does not require Ike moving anywhere close to Mach 5830 either. Meteor is an inaccurate move that most characters in fire emblem have a chance of dodging. Dodging meteor is a canonically less impressive feat than dodging a sword strike from a random skilled swordsman.
If you want to use meteor to set Ike's feats, the only way to do that within reason is to use its stats and compare that to other more realistic attacks. An iron sword has a might of 5 and an accuracy of 90%, while meteor has a might of 11 and an accuracy of 70%. Therefore, a fire emblem magical meteor is equivalent to about 2 sword strikes from a master swordsman, and slightly easier to dodge (or perhaps slightly harder for the mage to land properly, because its hard for the mage to easily aim at a fast moving target).
I don't know who wins this fight, as I know very little about Belmont, but these fire emblem stat spreads are completely and utterly absurd, and not at all within the realistic vision of the game. Unless trees and bushes in the fire emblem universe have the durability 500 times that of the toughest steel ever known to humankind, your fire emblem characters have fallen in to the trap you tried to warn us about.
It becomes universal to low multiversal vs multi Conti but if you use fire emblem heroes Ike gets to multiversal so
Spot on! I don't play fire emblem games but I knew there was something vastly wrong with their take. This is why I can't take power scaling seriously.
This was my issue with dimitri in death battle being scaled to the valley of torment. They chain scaled him to edelgard and ignored his army and time resetting byleth, whom they chain scaled to an alternate version of rhea and ignored her army and time resetter and anti dragon weapons, whom they chained to an alternate reality where she tanked an explosion of 7.5 tons but claimed it millions of times greater because even though it was scaled by blast radius and the hole in shambala, the javelins were super inconsistent and the highest damage was in ailel, hundreds of years ago, that rhea didn’t tank.
Also it just makes no sense for any human to be close to that strong in three houses.
@@reserven5795power scaling has become, ‘let’s see how far we can wank our favorite character with strange animation technicalities while ignoring setting and all antifeats .
Thank you for putting it into words like that! It is now a handful amount of episodes where the battle animation can just barely wash over the weird taste some analysis segments have with weird inconsistencies in the scaling, often times suspecting bias for the character or the whole franchise, which makes the end product look spoiled due to the bad faith in finding the """canonical""" winner of this tournament.
I honestly wish they'd stick to the attitude that they have had in researching Red vs Ness, as it was the closest to the research that new seasons of deathbattle do and can be summarized as "everything of chosen continuity goes, actually".
Dang wasn’t expecting one Belmont after another lol. can’t wait for Simon Belmont vs Luigi! 👍
Luigi ez claps
Man, Richter really said "ZA WARUDO!!!!" and chucked some knifes at Ike.
The Belmont disrespect though...
He fights vampires with holy water and bible scriptures. That's not working on a human 💀
@@thegreatestever913holy water in castlevania is bottled magic fire. It will kill both humans and vampires. There was a lot of disrespect.
@@emantv7039 how is water fire...
@@thegreatestever913 honestly, I have no idea how the weird physics works. It just is somehow😂
Having Simon fight Luigi is the biggest disrespect in the whole series so far.
Overall, I loved the video, however, I preferred it more when you would show extra info on-screen in text-form because that would let me know what is and isn't being used in the match. It would also tell me how the stats broke down once the match concluded.
This felt so much like an actual Death Battle that I was almost expecting the K.O! Sound from there. Good job.
Super great animation! The animator(s) did a super great job of the cinematography, choreography, impact, effects used, environmental lighting sources, smaller details like a character's balance and how they give out and absorb blows, and the physics! Honestly possibly my favorite fight thus far. The matchup is conceptually really cool but yeah it was less balanced fight but hey I mean in a series like this that kind of just happens. Would've liked to see something like a Richter vs Ganondorf down the line though. Great episode overall!
Am I the only one who feels that they're being way more generious with fire emblem feets on ike then they were with lucina?
Yeah, but that's just because Lucina was put in a joke matchup, so they didn't have to try as hard.
Imagine complaining about a character you don’t know
The papers just bouncing off of Ike got me laughing so damn hard lmao
Both will definitely tell each other, "prepare yourself"
Richter is unfortunately a specialty fighter. He's trained to hunt the undead. But Ike has always had human opponents. It was a rough matchup.
Yeah so he wasted 2 moves trying to unreveal Ike’s “true form” where Ike could’ve attacked easily and richter could have lost the fight
Richter Belmont can tank solar systems being thrown at him. He’s fought Angels, and Dhampires that have nothing to do with dark magic. Some enemies he’s fought are deliberately stated to be immune to holy magic. (Including multiversal threats) On top of that, the vampire killer is stated to attack the opponents soul. Killing anyone who touches it and is unworthy. Lol, Ike couldn’t have even set foot into Castlevania without specific wards to save his soul…
Would this mean Simon might also not do so well against Luigi?
Eh Ike casually one shots immortal gods in his free time, his raw stats are kind of absurd. Richter absolutely has his out-gimmicked and out-optioned but really all Ike needs is Ragnell to pull off a win.
Let's Say that also Ike's not evil,So Richter holy water Just didn't work for that reason,unlikely Smash Bros.
Not surprised of the result, after robin vs rosalina i can tell fire emblem characters are going to win a decent lot
Robin about to get into the semi finals
Still salty about the Rosalina fight. I have no problem about them scaling Robin so high but you have to be fair and give Rosalina her feats instead of denying them. (Rosalina has canonically created shields that can withstand "a power that threatens the very fabric of the universe". I am beginning to worry for Bayonetta even though she should annihilate
i feel robin and ike should have lost these matches. Espcially robin the power difference is to high. EDITED: Bill Cipher vs Sephiroth was also waaay wrong
@@SonarDaggersBut Bill is weak against mental damage, which is Sephiroth's main strong attack. He just cannot reliably kill Sephiroth based on the abilities he's used in the show.
The only time an FE character lost, it was because they were fighting Meta Knight, so that alone already says a lot.
Eh, not sure why we made Richter overly stupid? I get you need them to fight for the purpose of the video, but why is he so clearly dumb? Lets assume Richter really thought Ike was a monster in disguise, he would try something once and then realize that Ike isn’t a monster in disguise. But for some reason he just keeps assuming he's a monster... Also where are all the acrobatics and item crashes? I get maybe the holy weapons don't work because Ike isn’t a creature of darkness, but the Belmonts do use other weapons besides holy weapons. But thankfully, I've played both PoR and RD and in those Ike can be harmed by light magic... so wouldn't he be harmed by Richter's holy powers? Idk just seems like some holes in it.
the way richter’s bible pages just hit Ike like that 💀
Very good work altogether! I’m a huge fan of both Fire Emblem and Castlevania.
I’d also like to add that with Aether being a combination of Sol and Luna, Ike also has self healing capabilities that Richter wouldn’t have an answer for. Even if Richter used his time stopping abilities, it wouldn’t help him much if Ike could recover a portion of his health.
If you give Ike another skill combo like Wrath + Resolve he becomes more of a threat to Richter because with his health below a certain level he has a greater chance of landing a critical hit and his abilities are further enhanced. This is assuming he has a skill kit more closely aligned with what he’d have in Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn. If you’re assuming kit options from Heroes then it gets even worse for Richter.
Another thing to note about Ike tanking Meteor hits: the power of Meteor is dependent on the magic stat of the Meteor caster. Taking that into account along with your formula means that depending on the mage, Ike could be taking even more damage than what you guys described. I like that you guys used Meteor too instead of something like Purge or Bolting 😂
As impressive as Richter is, and as much as I prefer using him to Ike in Smash, his kit is nowhere near as impressive as Ike’s is. Ike vs. Julius Belmont would be a little more interesting though-Julius would likely be a lot more tactical and have magical power closer to that of strong magic users in Fire Emblem. You guys have earned a new sub!
The animation was absolutely gorgeous, God damn
Amazing animation and great job on the story telling of these two epic heroes!
Though as soon as they started talking about how fast Ike is and hitting with the force of a nuke... well, let's just say that Richter had one chance to win this one... that's letting Death take Ike in the beginning. 😅
Looking forward to Luigi VS Simon and ESPECIALLY King Boo VS Gengar, was hoping we would get to see it one day...
Rooting the Luigi's Mansion Pair.
Expecting them to lose though sadly. Or at least King Boo, rip.
Luigi would prob win though because POWER UPS
@@Snowpro45. I sure as hell hope
Luigi probably wouldn't even need power ups to win. Have y'all seen the crazy things he does in the RPGs?
@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 I have. I'm just unwilling to believe things may actually go the way I would hope.
@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 thing id we don't know how Smash Bracket rules will effect Luigi. But if Richter is anything to go by then I have faith in the Green Player 2
This was a nice fight and I like the animation and I’m excited for the next one
I’ve even reacted to this battle
Both these characters are cracked out of their gourds, LOVED the animated fight by @RoundTableAnimation!
But it seems we left some things uncalculated here. I'm coming at you with a lot
For Richter: Belmonts are superhuman, and can match vampires and monsters in combat ability, and have super strength and speed.
Can tank hits from dragons, the biblical Behemoth, Beelzebub, fire from hell, and literal Death. Matches werewolf/vampire superspeed, has semi flight and acrobatic hypermobility.
His spells are awkwardly being slept on: many of his spells are completely undogeable, if you're in his zip code, he can blast you. His spells not only have access to Holy, but also deal physical, fire, lightning and water damage. You physically can not dodge out of Hydro Storm, Agunea, Rebound Stone, and Grand Cross.
He has on-demand invincibility, and the Flame Whip doubles his power.
He can stop time.
There's a weird misconception about Richter's stuff in the video and the comments. You do not have to be a demon to be hurt by Holy magic. His weapons aren't nerfed when fighting a normal guy. The holy water is a fireball that can burn the victim, this video assumes otherwise. So, the Holy element attacks the victims soul, it's effective against all creatures, and it counters demons strongly. Kinda like a weapon triangle advantage, there is no detriment using it on anything else.
Guy kills dragons, small Cthulu avatars, multidimensional creatures, vampire lords, and Ike-comparable warriors.
Plus he can STOP TIME.
For Ike: Ike's bulk is phenomenal, and he can tank a hit from a dragon. But his magic resistance was completely neglected. Ike is weak to magic, and has a 15% Res growth rate with a base of 7 Res. Mages and any source of non-physical damage are a counter to Ike.
Ike does effectively have a healing factor: if he can deal damage he can recover damage.
Ike is NOT fast. His speed growth is 35% with a base of 23. He's pretty good. He's not a rock and it's not a glaring detriment, but he is NOT blitzing anyone in fights.
Some of the feats pulled are incredibly clunky to measure, and the same courtesy wasn't used for Richter. Demons and monsters constantly use comparable attacks on Richter that were referenced in Ike's segment of the video. The powerscaling had inaccuracies, the meteor is not travelling fast enough to produce a nukes amount of force. Meteor is notorious for being a very inaccurate spell; dodging it is the norm and legitimately not a feat. The accuracy of Meteor is lower than throwing a 4 inch knife at a guy some yards away. When the meteor is under control of the spell, I guess it only travels at 30 mph when it hits atmo. It's about twice the size of Ike's body, (but still can't hit him, or anyone) and looks more comparable to a projectile from a catapult. Which we all remember, are not nukes. Using that as the yardstick to measure all of his attacks from is nonsensical, but that meteor spell is categorically not a speed feat.
And if you're REALLY jonesing to keep Ike's dodge speed stat from those calcs, (because that was a reaction to an attack, not the speed Ike fights at) then Richter can have his Infinite Speed feat because he scales to Death who can cut space itself to instantly attack someone.
In conclusion, they both can produce attacks that can potentially kill the other, and they're brawny dudes who can take a hit. Richter's fighting speed and strength is a legitimate super power, and if Ike's defense is able to hold off typical Vampire Killer attacks, he has no special resistance to 4 magical elements, especially the undodgeable spells Richter can perform. Aether could kill Richter, but Richter can Time Stop and, contrary to the video, produce MORE than enough damage to kill Ike with either weapons or spells.
Richter outranges, has more utility, better hacks. Ragnel is a better main weapon and is probably more powerful per swing, but Ike's mid speed and bad magic resistance mean every hit Richter deals is effectively True Damage.
I'm just really surprised so much about both characters and franchises was just NOT represented accurately.
Tldr: Ike is weak to magic, Richter is a magic man who can stop time
I haven’t played any of the games so I am not biased and I agree with you. Richter should also get meteor scaling anyway by their logic because Dracula can summon a meteor
Dam, this must of taken a long time to type up
@@bobpineapple2407 I'm embarrassed at how much time I spent on this 🤭😂
I hate how they did my boy dirty in RD. He's really really fast and good at resisting magic by the end of PoR.
3 seconds into the animation I already knew this one was the best 3D animation of yours.
And I didn’t expect this fight to have some comedic elements lol
After Luigi vs Simon, could you give more of a heads up when the next episode is dropping? I only found out the episode was premiering today a few hours ago on Twitter.
This was a fun one. Great job.
IKE VS RICHTER
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Yes
I just got into this series because this video popped up in my recommended, and I'm loving it so far. I have plenty of thoughts I'm going to list in this comment
This Video : Ike coming to take the castle fits perfectly as a battle excuse. The fight was amazing, and I agree with the result. I had all my trained amiibo fight recently (most of the available), and the overall winner was Ike with no losses at all. Greninja second. I wonder if Richter is actually dead, or just beaten to unconsciousness. Fire Emblem characters are known for permanent deaths, so I don't know
Other Videos : I like the idea that for a good chunk of these, the characters survive. Joker VS Snake for instance leaves Snake's fate unknown, and implied alive as Joker NEVER kills canonically. He slays the demons, sure, but the group almost disbands after thinking they accidentally killed Okumura. Also the phantom thieves are kind of giving off main character energy in the story shorts lol.
The Samus VS Pit being all so that Pit would not have to fight Ridley was genius for giving Samus the motivation to fight a friend (or at least Non-Hostile if she doesn't remember Smash).
Also, you don't have to do ROB like that, lol. I wouldn't call reality his game canon. Smash Bros, while being a crossover, is the only game where he IS a character, so I'd say Subspace should count...not that it would have saved him from Lucina in the end. Was a funny joke
Suggestion (?) : I would really like it if there were mini videos like the story videos which show the smash roster and who is dead/survived the current round. For instance, the video for round 1 after this video would have Ike's portrait become shaded green for victory, and Richter shaded red for defeat. It's a good way to keep track of who is safe for each round and who is dead/defeated. It would be good for determining matchup potential with who is left, as well as definitively showing who has been eliminated. That is especially important due to rematches. I don't know who is still in the running between Fox and Sonic for instance. Fox won the original, but Sonic won the rematch
Overall : This series is amazing. It is the Smash equivalent of Death Battle and I love it. it is distinct, has its own style, and feels more accurate than Death Battle anyway. The lore, great animations, and everything earned a subscription and likes on each video I watch. Keep it up!
I know it's just for comedy, but I think Ike's faced enough spellcasters to know not to just stand there when someone pulls out a book.
Amazing job guys, that animation and voice acting were top notch!
Do i find the scaling wonky and probably a little wrong?
Yeah.
Do i care?
Not really. That fight was badass!
It’s always epic when he releases another episode
It's a very close call, mostly because there isn't much ground to differentiate them, but one is overall a great warrior that killed a goddess and various hulking super entities (though richter did the same), while the other specializes in destroying vampires aka not Ike.
A better question is, can Richter beat the Black knight? Most likely not and that's why Ike would win (I think).
Richter specializes in fighting creatures of the night. While the Vampire Killer might sting the Black Knight with his armor, but the Belmont wouldn't be able to do much more than momentarily entangle Alondite with the chain, but considering how the swordsman clad in black swings that giant thing around with just 1 hand, Richter would be toast.
Dam the music on this fight slaps so hard
I'm super excited for this! 😃
This animation was so good! It must have been a lot of work to make sure everything looked correct with the 3D models.
SPOILERS
Since I haven't played either Castlevania or Fire Emblem, I did not know either character's power or feats from their original games, so I wasn't really sure who would take the win. However, I am happy to see that Ike won this battle, because he was my original Smash main.
Omg i am happy this is good
Chad Richter: Kills vampires and prioritises the greater good of the world over himself.
Virgin Ike: Respects furries.
The animation was fantastic, and the only thing I disaggree on is the meteor calculation in the research.
This was completely unnecessary and overblown. Please occam razor this kind of thing some more or else you'll end up with incredibly predictable matchups
Edit: to developp my point a bit more
Taking all kinds of stuff at face value favors characters who have lots of spin off content in other medium and different, inconsistent, writers an unfair amount.
Thinking of what makes sense in the context given for the feat is incredibly important and is not talked about enough in the versus community in general, in favor of "peak" character strength regardless of the character true abilities. This turns what would be incredible matchups into boring stomps because "that guy has bigger numbers 'cause in X book he is described as moving his sword too fast for his ennemies to see the blade so he is obviously light speed".
Since the bracket seemed to wish to be more serious in its approach at first, it should be important to always consider in universe implications of the result of your calculation.
Nobody stops to think when you write that basic footsoldiers can tank and dodge nukes ? What is the point of armors or castle then. Or are the castles made of super material that resists nukes ?
Why doesn't the meteor damages a wider area then if it has that much destructive power, if it was an AoE effect it'd be more believable, but it remains a single target spell.
If it had so much power, why are mages able to cast it treated as simple artillery and not like MD weapons ? If we saw stuff (or even hear in the game) of a mage from X army destroying a town with a meteor spell than totally fair, but clearly it doesn't.
You get the gist of it, it just doesn't make sense and gives us speeds that cannot even be really used in the combat since we can't animate that kind of speed unless every fight against someone slower than Ike turns into a Quicksilver scene. It serves no purpose other than a justification and it makes the fight's story (because yes, a fight IS a story) that much less compelling !
It's kind of funny because King boo vs Gengar is one of my most wanted death battles but now it's going to be in a crossover coliseum
Ike can't win by doing nothing please.
Only Luigi is known for that.
Really cool video! Animation was incredible. However, as some others have pointed out, the scaling/skills on Ike are WAY off.
Meteor is an inaccurate spell that only hits 1 tile (maybe 2 square meters?) and only does about 2-3 times the damage of a sword swing. Just because it's called Meteor doesn't make it an actual meteor... Also, canonically, Ike can't have all those skills active at once. He can have maybe 2 or 3 max. I know nothing about Richter but after hearing your explanation of his feats I thought Ike had absolutely no shot in this fight.
Love to see them winning but I hope that in future the FE characters get more realistic scaling. I also wouldn't mind if Ike gets scaled down in future rounds to properly represent his (admittedly skill very high) power level.
Also, Caineghis is a lion lol not a tiger, which someone who has played the game would know. Smash spans way too many IPs to expect one person to have played all the games. Might be a good idea to consult people with more knowledge on each game to verify your scaling/facts.
Ever since guts vs Dimitri, fire emblem scaling and vs battling has become painful to bear.
None of these dudes are blowing up castles, I still stand by this outcome for richter gets horribly chain wanked too though surprisingly not here where they wanked ike only.
@@firenze6478 I will give credit to Dimitri. The crest weapons had been used to cleave mountains in the lore in the base game. (Three hopes is where most of the weird scaling comes from because that game is a disaster fire)
@@uberculex I mean, that was only in a myth which rhea admitted to fabricating to deceive Fodlan to protect her species.
We never actually see any of the relics come close to that. The greatest feat from a relic is when nemesis created a bunch of explosions which may have just been his own magic because he was beyond inhuman
As another commenter has pointed out, Ike can tank at least 3 blasts from a dragon that one shots castles. He can also tank attacks from literal gods, and is stated to be stronger than all other lords, which includes a continent sized dragon. The feats are consistent. If you don't like them, blame Nintendo, not the people pointing them out.
@@ClashBluelight he had another goddess fueling him when he struck down ashera and the 3 hit dragon breath is gameplay only as fire emblem humans are always shown dodging these sort of attacks in cutscenes like edelgard does with rhea’s breath despite gameplay tanking her attacks head on.
The Durability aspect of Fire Emblem Characters is questionable to say the least because you have people that can survive nukes to the face but can be still taken down by a regular swords. Their the most human and inhuman characters I even seen or heard of.
Damn, two Castlevania matches in a row. If I were a fan of that, I’d be hyped as fuck.
I loved the episode! It's awesome to see Levi co-host.
The animation was an amazing improvement from Joker VS Snake. Real credits. I'm excited to see more of his work.
Maybe the Belmont's will have better luck next episode!
Sadly no. Simon would be lucky to even land a solid hit against the green plumber brother. The Belmonts are beyond peak humanity, are extremely skilled, and beyond tenacious, but Luigi is on a whole other level. He's consistently on par with Mario, who fights Bowser every Monday and every other Thursday.
@@thecursed_1lordofcats738 I'm aware of the fact Luigi stomps. Let me have a moment of hope.
To put it short: Simon is going to straight up die
Mario characters can easily get to multiversal or higher
@@JoeLigma42 I don't think Luigi will kill Simon. Not intentionally at least. Too far out of character for him. Stat wise though, yeah, Simon would get stomped like an ant.
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My kneejerk reaction was to call BS on the meteor scaling because Dracula also has that, but the Belmonts specialize in killing the undead, and they beat Dracula because he's weak to their weapons, not because they're his physical equal. And that's kind of the biggest thing going against them in versus debates, their weaponry just doesn't work against 99.99999% of who we pit them up against. Also, whips are just terrible weapons.
If only Alucard got a spot in Smash...
Yea it’s not fair the only things richter had that could hurt Ike are his whip and knives. Same would go for the next fight featuring Simon
to be fair alucard still wins against ricther
@@clintonbehrends4659wasn't Richter power affected by the Shaft hindering the whip?
Not all enemies in Castlevania are dark magic. Richters weapons have literally killed angels immune to holy magic. Alucard is specifically immune to holy weapons as a dhampire and has still lost to Trevor.
But then they'd have to remove the Wii Fit studio, or just write special code for him to not have a reflection. You can't spawn him with assist trophies in the Will Fit stage, even if you try to force it in training mode.
Seeing that tumble weed in that awkward moment was brilliant btw XD. Love it!
Yikes you guys did not even mention ike's radiant dawn feats. So who wins might be obvious.
Olimar scales higher here in smash bracket large building level vs wall level ritcher
If my input means anything:
I very much prefer less voice acting, and subtle storytelling.
And you have really… really… really….. underestimated how the Belmonts can deal with non-supernatural threats. The hacks of the Belmonts, and most importantly the stats of the Belmonts.
I have been watching you guys for a long time but, this was the first episode where it felt like you did not care about one of the franchises remotely.
There other examples sadly. Smash Bracket tends to be bias. They said Ridley was somehow thousands of times weaker than Samus just so he would loose to Link for example
I would ask if this really had to be a fatality KO, but we all know neither of these warriors would back down until they've given all they had to give and the last breath has left their lips.
Not a fatality, Richter is just unconscious. I mean, I assume so. I don’t work for Smash Bracket, but I do know that it’s double elimination, so unless revives are involved then no, he’s not dead. Also the “rest easy” part, and really all of it just felt like Ike incapacitating Ricter by knocking him unconscious.
@@litessbu pretty sure there has the be revives involved considering what happened to Ridley and Snake.
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That final blow seemed pretty fatal judging by Ike's final line and him laying a cloak over Richter...
But with several characters running around the bracket with revival abilities on-hand, there's a decent chance he'll be back.
The Richter downplay was crazy, never cook again 💀
Bro would speedblitz and one shot Ike 😭
This might be the worst researched vs battle I’ve ever seen… I want to rant
People that rely on the old fashioned face value ruleset of vs debating would say this
It doesn’t matter how you scale it.💀
@@opadriplow wall level ritcher bruhhhhhh that probably one of the lowest downplay ever friggin season one base mordercai is stronger by tackling a bear with it also destroying a wall he a real world tank victim
NICE! Well animated and well done! In your opinion, those bullets, for the time period, would you think that may be a whole lot of mini flintlocks going off, or maybe a prototype gatling gun? Once again, you all rocked. ^^
They were not kidding, those chain whip animations go hard. Richter really knows how to use that thing. I also love Ike's fighting style: him running around, swinging Ragnell and firing shockwaves from it just felt right. I very much like them kicking each other's asses all over Dracula's Castle, too. All in all, that was a pretty cool fight.
Premature celebration for the next smash bracket fight:
Luigi is going to stomp Simon it’s not even gonna be as close as Richter vs Ike even if we include only Main Game Luigi.
LUIGI > SIMON 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
omg this is so beyond cool amazing work
While this was definetly a cool fight, and i like fireemblem/ike way more than castlevania/richter, ike definetly shouldnt have won. Richter was downplayed big time that guy is utterly ridiculous lorewise. And Ike was deemed to be way more than he actually is. Comparing ike with nukes is just wrong.
Still rly liked the fight.
Good episode. Can't wait for next time. Luigi's gonna flatten Simon. At least, if you do the proper research.
Wow what a great fight! Analysis was great, music was awesome, and the 3D animation was amazing, especially the intro (a few uncanny valley facials, but those are so hard to do). Great job guys, this was so cool!
That was amazing voice acting and animation 11/10
Death was kind of weak visually, especially since it wasn't clear that Richter was dead or knocked out.
But, the fight was all around satisfying. Those whip movements in particular came out amazing.
Yeah, no kidding. Death died in the opening seconds of the animation. I guess that means Richter can't die though. Not really sure how that works.
@@browncow5210 clever
Awesome animation, nice writing, good voice acting. 10/10 fight
Ngl, i kinda doubt your methods finding Ike to have a speed of mach 6000, but i still liked the video
Not gonna lie, after seein the fight, the first thought that went through my mind was that of Thanos going "you should've aimed for the head". Cause well, while the stats don't lie, having a brief moment of opportunity should mean going for the most lethal of blows every time. I mean, power aside, a knife to the throat is still a knife to the throat, so theoretically it's possible for him to win.
But well, that's more just a "what-if" type deal that assumes Richter's taking a no-mercy stance.
So we not gonna talk about that Richter should be comparable to other Belmont’s especially for Trevor’s case since he dodged a beam of light not only in the games but Netflixvania too?
Sorry for the spoilers, but I don’t see Ike winning over Richter honestly. Especially considering how downplayed Richter is in this.
Yeah Smash Bracket works a hell of a lot different than shows like Death Battle and hell even Rewind Rumble.
I was not expecting like Wall Level Richter at best. I fear for my boys like Sora and Bowser
I know they don't really do scaling but I feel like this is the one instance where it feels extra egregious considering that a lot of the stuff other belmonts can do has some degree of reason to transfer over. At least to ones before him because they kinda do explicitly say that he's stronger than the ones that came before. Just a bit of a weird thing I guess. Granted when it comes to solely gameplay feats sadly castlevania doesn't have too much and is one that relies more heavily on interpretation.
Well with fire emblem heroes that is canon ike gets to universal level or above, so... And Ike has relativistic speed feats, but yeah Ike is my favourite but i actually was expecting for both becoming friends, most because i don't want to see him die, i mean in other fights both fighters become friends why this cannot be the case?
Plus i know only using path of radiance and radiant dawn ike was going to get stomped by richter, i only doesn't want to se ike getting killed.
Multiple enemies in castlevania have FTL+ feats
Simon vs. Luigi AND King Boo vs. Gengar? Wow
Rooting Richter, betting Ike 👍
I rlly liked the bit with the papers.
Possibly the best animated fight so far. The choreography was great and there was even a mix of each character's ideologies in there which was great to see. I think the actual powerscaling was a bit shaky, but the fight scenes are certainly improving.
Okay so I came back to revisit this after the release of Byleth vs Palutena, and now what Ike said makes more sense. When he said he was sent to take the castle by his SOMETHING, it must be in reference to the rest of the 3D Fire Emblem group. Robin mentioned something being on the line against Rosalina, and he was strategizing with Byleth prior to his getting pulled into his battle against Palutena. Robin really just be assigning executioners. Sent Ike to take down the Belmont castle and ordered Byleth to fight those who threaten their group, which immediately was Palutena.
I think second only to the loss of more epic animations, I’m sad I won’t get to see where the story was heading or what these characters were cooking. I’d have loved to know more, maybe Marth v. Meta Knight or the doubles fight will tell us more about Robin’s plan.
TL:DR: I like Ike but why are things being so literal/black and white? There are other factors other than speed and defense that can cause the outcome of damage/dodging etc. And Ike doesn't kill non-baddies on purpose.
Ok, i am an Ike fan, but i really don't think the feats you gave him are anywhere near close to accurate. I'm not sure why Death Battle's silly calculations of speed and durability are being used here.. If tanking a Meteor spell was your benchmark, all the cast, including enemy unit peons, would spank Richter.
There's a reason why there are multiple stats for levels in RPGs and levels to begin with; a level is supposed to represent a unit's overall abilities, so if a low-level mage throws a meteor at Ike, it's not gonna do much despite what is being thrown at him.
Let's say Soren as a sage threw a meteor spell Ike's way. At their highest levels and average stats (on PoR), Ike would barely be left standing.
Some things seem to be taken too literal, like the meteor thing, or not thought about much at all, like what else other than tanking a space rock to the face could keep it from being fatal: intuition/prediction/calculations, and the skill and control of the caster of the attack.
Then ya go and use the RD/older version of Ike and don't even go through the feats from that game, heh!
In any case, the match should have been much, MUCH closer. And like hell Ike would kill someone he knew wasn't evil.
Definitely at the time of POR/Radiant Dawn Ike was the strongest hero in Fire Emblem. but I think Byleth and Dmitri are pretty strong contenders now. One has a friggin goddess fused with them, and one basically became King Spear Guts.
Depends if nihil can cancel out divine pulse than Ike most likely wins but if not he most likely loses
I think Dimitri loses to Ike as his feats honestly aren’t nearly as impressive
I swear, what are they FEEDING these Fire Emblem characters? I feel like the end of this tournament's gonna be Kirby, Aegis, and Sephiroth fighting off the whole Fire Emblem roster unless by some miracle we get Hyper Sonic in a new game to figure out how much of a boost that form is now.
I eat meat.
To be fair, Marth lost.
I have faith in characters like Sora and Joker
@@tct4593robin about to drop there defense by zero then miracle to take a death blow them use counter which they said always hit to one shot every char in the bracket
Highest ap so far
Sephiroth:solar system
Ness:star
Sonic and fox:planet
@@tct4593 I can see Sora going pretty far, especially on the basis of having handled stuff like this before, and having fought a weaker Sephiroth too in his early days, but he's not exactly fighting at mach bunchanumbers. That said, now that I think about it, most fighters in Smash have no resistance to Stop and Gravity, do they?
I respectfully disagree. I do not believe you gave Richter a real look into. First of all, the title of the video says "Canonically" yet everything yoh said was not canonical. Ike does not canonically strike with the force of a nuclear bomb. Maybe technically, gameplay wise he can, but if it were canonical, he would literally just explode when his sword hits the ground. Canonically he is also still just human and cannot tank the amount of damage he claim he can. You also never even went into the mathematics of Richter like you did with Ike. You analyzed Ike and his enemys but never really analyzed ricther or his enemys.
You also just blew off all of his sub weapons. Canonically Richter and all of the Belmonts carry all of the sub weapons. They only dont in the games for gameplay reasons. And if you say they are only meant for killing vampires, your wrong. They are all magic just like Ikes sword. The metal cross is a huge, high speed, metal, sharpened, magic boomerang. It will kill anyone, not just vampires. The holy water is bottled, magical, fire. It also Canonically shatters glass everywhere. Again it will kill anyone, not just vampires. The axe sub weapon is still a huge metal magic axe.
Ike likely cannot parry all of Richters attacks. In games, maybe Ike can parry a whip, but Canonically he probably cannot because parrying whips is literally just Impossible. Even if you block a whip, he could just recover immediately. What would parrying a whip even look like? Same with the sub weapons. You cant parry throwing knives, you cant parry a glass bottle of fire, you could maybe parry the boomerang but Richter would just catch it, and same with the throwing axe.
Also canonical Richter uses magic. He is certainly no super mage but he does have it. But he can use the Belmont special magic attack "Devine Cross" which I would equate to Ikes "Great Ether". Devine cross has two canonical forms but the both do the same thing. He summons a massive cross of fire around him that has its own gravitational pull to suck enemys into the flame. If he does that, Ikes only option is to run in the opposite direction. Ike could easily survive if he does that but if he were to attempt a great ether during it, Ike would be incinerated. Richter could also fo it to counter great ether if he does it just before, again, incinerating Ike.
Canonical Richter is also incredibly fast and good with a sword. Ike is easily, EASILY, better with a sword but the sword plus a whip would make an incredible challenge.
I think the real battle would be incredibly close and I dont know who would win. But I really think you didn't do a good job of researching Richter. If you did a rematch then I would love to see but I know thats a lot of work. Please do better research and stay true to the canonical side of things instead of math.
If anybody would like to debate what I've said then I would be glad to but please be respectful and open minded because I dont like debating online very much.
Smash Bracket putting “canonical” in its titles is really pretentious I agree. Their research and interpretations reflect gameplay elements more than what’s “canonical.” Not that taking gameplay into account is wrong, but putting “canonical” in the title is.
@emantv7039 I actually agree with you on that one, as much as I like Ike much more than Richter, I don't think that Ike would win on that one, I can see that Richter would win given how he was able to defeat Dracula, and he can directly scale to one of the Belmont, I mean, Ike obviously has lot more experience, but he fell short in every categories, so yeah, Richter should've won on that one, if it was Fire Emblem Heroes Ike, then yes, he would win, because Fire Emblem Heroes are way more powerful than main canon Ike.
My 2 mains on Smash bros having a legendary battle
I swear that meteor feat is taken so badly out of proportion. I love Ike and Fire Emblem, but I don't think that an actual meteor. Spells in Fire emblem are more like summon magic. Spoils for The radiance games.
Also In Path of Radiance the Black Knight was considered dead from a castle crashing down on him which even if you want to consider injuries wouldn't make them stronger than a meteor. Also I gotta wonder how much force must be in those blades to create as much damage , but not be able to break walls. Now Ike biggest feats are fighting the dragon, black knight, Lehran and Asher all within let say from 5 to 12 hours with around at most 18 to 19 allies depending on the play through. Still Ike did likely canonically need that help and wouldn't have killed Ashera without Yune power. Could Ike maybe canonically beat Richter I wouldn't know (not castlevannia guy), Ike does have decent skill set and could use Aether and Nihil heavily to his advantage. Still I can't say if he on Three Houses or Genealogy level of power without further analysis. Still wish this feat was treated more reasonable cause that meteor is not a nuke.
It was already confirmed that Ike is the strongest main character from any fire emblem game in fire emblem engage.
The description of the Meteor spell from an FE guidebook is “A powerful magic that changes the trajectory of meteors scattered throughout the universe, turning them into meteorites that rain down on the opponent's head.” Nobody wants their characters to be weaker more than Fire Emblem fans💀
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Curious about this. Do you have link to this source?
This might sound like ramblings, but Fire Emblem at least with Radiant Dawn never presented itself as high level fantasy in power scaling outside Kurth's dragon blast or Ashera's petrification. I'll leave my questions and theories on the spell. It a little long and it not the biggest thing in the world.
To bring up my perspective the reason on why I do not think it as powerful as a real meteor. How is it the meteor wouldn't be able to destroy structures immediately such as simple door ? If we assume the characters can outright dodge meteors then how big are these maps that we still take a couple hours to complete if your character is fast enough going with the high speed dodging feats? With that in mind if I had to guess magic especially with meteors likely would work differently since it is a magic ability which isn't a physical attacks. Maybe meteors taken are coated in this magic or weakened to not destroy the user. I just don't think a bronze knife in radiant dawn power is 1/8 the potential of a real life meteor (not considering character stats) and a knife in general could end up more effective on a weak durability mage. Also how would the meteor get into the Tower of Guidance without Yune's blessing which you don't get till the third section or why at least don't we see the tower visibly destroyed from meteors or lighting entering?
@@thomask4538 I can’t post links in UA-cam comments without them automatically getting deleted, but the guidebook is called Fire Emblem: The Complete. It’s mentioned within this Smash Bracket episode and Death Battle’s QnA blog about Guts VS Dimitri.
The reasons the meteor spell doesn’t always one shot doors or destroy entire maps is because of 1. Gameplay Balance and 2. the creators of the game weren’t thinking about real life physics. When making games, creators are usually thinking about how to make it fun and how to make it interesting, and sometimes that results in inconsistencies. Whoever wrote the lore about Meteor wasn’t thinking about how fast the characters would have to be to dodge it or how destructive a meteor would actually be, just that summoning meteors scattered throughout the universe sounded interesting. It’s fine if you think Meteor shouldn’t count as a feat, but you can’t fault Smash Bracket for treating it as it’s described.
They remind me of gensis and Sephiroth 😢
17:43 I think that shot is a reference to Guts from Berserk
Great show. New age death battle.
Unless king boo has something wild, Gengar will win easily.
I mean Gengar has shown no resistance to transmutation so king boo might turn him into a painting or maybe you can argue with how he controlled ghosts in dark moon he can do the same for Gengar
@@gameuniverse5973 he didn't as much controlled, as he did influence the already berserking ghosts. And king boo needs to get close to turn something into a painting, and Gengar has double team, and powerful special moves.
King Boo would annihilate Gengar in any regular powerscaling show but with Smash Bracket’s rules he might loose
@@floatingf8783 double team can make hundreds of doppelgangers that don't hurt gangar if they get hit, what is the range of king boo's telekinesis, that giant painting was slow as all hell, and gangar can travel between shadows.
Man what is it with people having someone's soul in their weapons