Air-Cooled Volkswagen Electronic Ignitions 101 - for VW Beetles, Buses & Dune Buggies

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  • Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
  • Here's a quick guide on electronic ignitions versus points for air-cooled VW beetles, dune buggies, VW buses and Type 3s. We cover how to prevent problems with them, testing coil resistance and the differences between points and electronic ignition. Our goal is to help you make a choice that suits you and your air-cooled ride the best.
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  • @cheapsk8boardmuseum259
    @cheapsk8boardmuseum259 3 роки тому +4

    now that was a dam good video . thank you for teaching me . that video helped me understand . the guy in the video did great at explaining .

  • @iowacomm.watchnewsnetwork2443
    @iowacomm.watchnewsnetwork2443 6 років тому +3

    Great vid, Thanks for the info.

  • @richlijacanacua
    @richlijacanacua Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the tips and lesson. That was so precised discussion.
    I am looking forward for more tips and discussions about VW Classic Bugs!🤩🌈.

  • @Zanbor59
    @Zanbor59 4 роки тому +2

    Professional Video ... Thank you,

  • @glenncisney3485
    @glenncisney3485 2 роки тому +2

    Great video

  • @jamessabastian6707
    @jamessabastian6707 Рік тому +1

    Thank you bro I have to learn more often tks

  • @harrisonphelps2877
    @harrisonphelps2877 5 років тому +2

    Great video! I have a type4 engine which i did a valve adjustment on recently and now I can't get the engine to fire up so I can't use a timing light? *it has Electronic ignition*

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  5 років тому +1

      Was the valve adjustment the only change, and was it done on a completely cold engine? They shouldn't have any effect on starting the engine unless wires were disconnected (you can pull a plug and check spark) or the valves are too tight which can cause hard starting.

    • @harrisonphelps2877
      @harrisonphelps2877 5 років тому

      @@DuneBuggyWarehouse yes the engine Had not been started the day the valves were adjusted, is it possible to time it Staticaly just to get into the ballpark?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  5 років тому

      @@harrisonphelps2877 Start with 7-8 degrees before top dead center - it should run unless there are other issues.

  • @rogerfrye603
    @rogerfrye603 7 місяців тому

    Very informative video 🎉
    I have a question about electronic ignition, I have a 1985 water cooled VW Westvalia 1.9 engine. After purchasing a Flame Thrower distributor, coil, spark plug wires, spark plugs, I've been notified by Pertronix that there is no way these can be installed in my vehicle. Which leaves me confused. 😢 My question is why would air cooled versus water cooled make a difference??? Thanks in advance, PS. If anyone sees this post, can a video be posted explaining this, I cannot find one!

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  7 місяців тому

      From our tech expert Brian K - the 1.9 vanagons are fuel injected and use the factory distributor sensor as part of the crank trigger, so you're not able to just replace the factory distributor.

  • @Bacardibombillo
    @Bacardibombillo 2 роки тому +2

    Coil tested is fine 3.7omh... but I hooked Ptronix backwards. I believe is fried. But how do I test out PetronixModule with volt-meter tester?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  2 роки тому

      009 & Vac Advance Style Ignition Module Test:
      1. Verify the module is receiving 12v source - POS+ multimeter lead on POS+ coil terminal and red wire running to module, and NEG- multimeter lead on a ground for the car (engine block, alternator stand, etc.)
      2. If you confirm correct voltage at POS+ wire leading to unit, you can put a test light from the POS+ lead and the NEG- lead to the coil and turn the engine over - it should flash while engine turns. This will confirm the module works.
      3. If #2 does not work check all wires to/from the module, coil, distributor wire and plug wires. Check ohm rating across coil terminal (3-3.7 ohms is acceptable).
      If you're not sure give Pertronix a call at 909-599-5955 they do have excellent technical support.

  • @barbaratodd1288
    @barbaratodd1288 4 роки тому

    On the electronic ignition distributor should I feel resistance at certain points when I rotate the distributor? BTW I'm speaking of when the distributor is off the vehicle

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  4 роки тому

      This is not uncommon. Sometimes the cap can be just a little off center and the rotor can drag against the contacts inside the cap. You can try resetting the cap but they do end up centering themselves on the distributor once the car has started.

  • @ridersdeath6385
    @ridersdeath6385 4 роки тому +2

    What gage measurement do I have to use for the spark plugs with this type of ignition module?

  • @narco73
    @narco73 5 років тому +3

    0:50 it's not a Phillips head

  • @MrGarcon98
    @MrGarcon98 4 роки тому +1

    can you direct me to help diagnose a module on the bench ? i had one called hot spark which i was told its a chineese knock off ? ok now i have a pertronix ign it works ,,,,,i tested the old one "hot spark" cause i was told its bad ,,,,i tested it home and it shows good ? just wondering if i did it correctly ,,,,,i was reading 9 k ohms from ground plate to hot wire like hot spark says ,,,then i probed the red and black of the module on a dvom took the magnet got the module to open and close it tested good ? did i miss something ,,,,thank you

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  Рік тому

      I find it's easier to test in the car with a test light:
      009 & Vac Advance Style Ignition Module Test:
      1. Verify the module is receiving 12v source - POS+ multimeter lead on POS+ coil terminal and red wire running to module, and NEG- multimeter lead on a ground for the car (engine block, alternator stand, etc.)
      2. If you confirm correct voltage at POS+ wire leading to unit, you can put a test light from the POS+ lead and the NEG- lead to the coil and turn the engine over - it should flash while engine turns. This will confirm the module works.
      3. If #2 does not work check all wires to/from the module, coil, distributor wire and plug wires. Check ohm rating across coil terminal (3-3.7 ohms is acceptable).

    • @MrGarcon98
      @MrGarcon98 Рік тому +1

      also the amps makes a lot of difference in how long the module will last ,,,under 4 amps is mostly recommended ,,,,,as to keep the module running cooler ,,,,,just saying , thanks

  • @pdchathura
    @pdchathura 2 роки тому +1

    hi, what are the reasons to burn-out the distributor rotor. In my beetle, its recently burn-out..

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  2 роки тому

      Corrosion and/or contact from the cap are usually what kill the rotor. The spark creates ozone which over time is corrosive to the metal contacts.

  • @scottsneller3707
    @scottsneller3707 3 роки тому

    Hi, which brand electronic ignition are you using in this demo video please?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  Рік тому

      This was a Kuhltek electronic ignition. They are now a small green module instead of metal like in this video.

  • @monchy25
    @monchy25 4 роки тому

    First time that I am going to be installing a distributor with electronic ignition and there is a note about: That I need a coil withinternal resistor or inline ballast resistor? Is this a special type of coil?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  4 роки тому +2

      Measure the resistance across terminals on your coil - it should be about 3 Ohms to use with (nearly all) electronic ignitions.

    • @dean1627
      @dean1627 3 роки тому

      If I get a ballast resistor with electronic distributor I should be able to keep the key on longer than 30 seconds without burning the actual coil up right?

  • @superbkevin8002
    @superbkevin8002 4 роки тому

    How do you check to see if you fried your Distributor

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  4 роки тому

      The basics: Most electronic ignitions do not fire under ~10v so make sure your battery is charged up. [Before anything else check polarity on your coil: Make sure pos+ is actually positive by checking for voltage to a ground.] Add a small ground jumper between Coil neg- and a ground point (firewall bolt, trans strap, etc). Check your voltage from Coil pos+ to a ground (11.5 to 16 volts is ok), then check your resistance from Coil pos+ to same ground (3.0 to 4.5 ohms is ok). If any of these are out of spec, you have poor connections and/or a coil going bad. If the key is left on while the engine is not running, the coil can overheat and burn the units up just like points. If the wires to the coil were mixed up and polarity was reversed, the units generally fry immediately. If you have a pertronix unit, they have specific procedures to further test the unit I can email to you.

  • @russellfaulkner8758
    @russellfaulkner8758 4 роки тому

    We're do red and black wire go on electronic distributor

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  4 роки тому

      Red wire goes on +Side of coil, Black wire goes on -Side of coil. Verify with a voltmeter/multimeter which side of your coil is actually positive and negative before connecting. Electronic ignitions will fry almost immediately if wired up to power backwards, or if ignition switch is left on without running the engine for more than about 30 seconds.

  • @georgerussinello6820
    @georgerussinello6820 3 роки тому +1

    Hello.
    I have. 72-73 beatle engine in a big 70's trike.
    How do I tell if it's an 009 or something else?
    AE750310 is stamped right near the timing mark. It has a Scat 45-020 points dist in it now.
    No spark and no visible condenser. (Strange)

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  3 роки тому +1

      Some of the old Mallory distributors have condensers hidden inside with the rotor. Parts are generally available. Supposedly these are closer to the 010 advance curve. The 009 will have the thinner, taller cap like the distributors in this video.

    • @georgerussinello6820
      @georgerussinello6820 3 роки тому

      @@DuneBuggyWarehouse . Ty. I have the short cap. The tall cap setup was bought by my friend in error.
      If they are interchangable I would like to buy it.
      Is it interchangable?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  3 роки тому

      @@georgerussinello6820 They are not interchangeable, you have to use the Mallory-specific shorter caps. I'd have to point you to our friends at Aircooled.net for those parts.

    • @georgerussinello6820
      @georgerussinello6820 3 роки тому

      @@DuneBuggyWarehouse . I'm sorry for the confusion.
      I meant are the complete distributors interchangable.
      He wants to go electronic. The dist with points in there now is warn the points don't sit tight in dist.
      If I could get a complete kit , I'd go that way. Plug n play.

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  3 роки тому +1

      @@georgerussinello6820 Absolutely you can use a 009-style instead of your old Scat/Mallory-style. Any of our 009 distributors - either points or electronic - would work in place.

  • @motorcyclerescuer
    @motorcyclerescuer 5 років тому +1

    Do you still turn the electronic one for timing or is it just put it on and it works?
    Does electronic ignition help the engine to run better?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  5 років тому

      Electronic ignitions will improve your spark and accuracy of the timing, reduces any chance for points bounce and reduces any wear on the distributor shaft from opening points. You won't see a performance increase but may see a slight fuel mileage improvement. They are a near zero maintenance upgrade versus points. You will still need to set your timing - about 8 degrees BTDC static, and 28-30 degrees BTDC for full advance at ~3000 rpm.

    • @CK-bs8gs
      @CK-bs8gs 5 років тому +1

      @@DuneBuggyWarehouse can you explain this more clearly to someone that doesnt know anything about cars?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  5 років тому

      @@CK-bs8gs What were you looking to learn about? Specifically electronic ignitions, or ignition systems in cars?

    • @CK-bs8gs
      @CK-bs8gs 5 років тому

      @@DuneBuggyWarehouse I've got an electric ignition installed. The vehicle seems to be idling very rough and was wondering how you go about timing it since it is not the original points

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  5 років тому

      ​@@CK-bs8gs You can set the timing close to 8 degrees before top dead center, but I would suggest borrowing or renting a timing light from your local auto parts store to dial in the final 28 degrees at 3000 rpm. Make sure you have the correct firing order lined up (1-4-3-2) with the #1 cylinder being passenger side near the bell housing.

  • @68beetlevlog
    @68beetlevlog Рік тому +1

    If the electronic ignition fries, will it hurt anything else other than the electronic ignition?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  Рік тому +1

      Usually everything else is ok.

    • @68beetlevlog
      @68beetlevlog Рік тому

      @@DuneBuggyWarehouse thank so much. I had a mechanic looking man he said everything's okay as well

  • @nicktelesco4950
    @nicktelesco4950 Рік тому

    My coil says 7.5 ohms. It is mounted up side down. Ran good at idle 5 minutes then no spark. CFU3 ignition coil. Did it burn up the cdi?

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  Рік тому

      Is it on an aircooled VW? I don't recognize that coil number. Typical coil measures 3.0-3.9 ohms across terminals for our application.

  • @FastED1988
    @FastED1988 6 років тому +1

    Do Electronic Ignitions Advance The Timing With RPMs???

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  6 років тому

      All 009 advance is done with either centrifugal or vacuum advancing.

  • @jerryjoejackaroe
    @jerryjoejackaroe 8 місяців тому

    I have an after market electronic ignition dist.... When I give it gas and the vacuum pulls it retards the timing instead of advancing it. How is that possible.?????

    • @rickhiggins6521
      @rickhiggins6521 17 днів тому

      When you step on the gas the vacuum falls off initially and then builds back up. It prevents spark knock.

  • @charlesbreaux5475
    @charlesbreaux5475 2 роки тому +1

    dude, "make sure you don't hook up the red and blak wire" gee would habe been nice if you have told is which goes where...

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  2 роки тому

      Red is POS 12v+ coil side, black is NEG 12v- coil side. Check which terminals are +/- on your coil before installing!
      99% of the issues are people mis-wiring/not verifying coil terminals before installation.

  • @marcusbrown1767
    @marcusbrown1767 2 роки тому

    Didn't show how to move Plate to adjust points. Flop video.

    • @DuneBuggyWarehouse
      @DuneBuggyWarehouse  2 роки тому

      We'll have to do a Points Ignition 101 video to cover this. Thanks for your input!