Prime ANY Alcohol Stove 10 TIMES Faster for $2.99!
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2020
- Get You Own PaleoHikerMD Patches HERE!: www.etsy.com/shop/PaleoHikerM... Oh how I love alcohol stoves. I have many, and each is special. That said, some of them have an issue in that they can take a good while to prime, especially in cooler conditions. Stoves which require the alcohol to heat up enough to vaporize can be slow to get going. This can lead to wasting fuel as you wait for the stove to prime. So, how can you prime your stove 10 times faster?
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The Trangia was the fastest, but you don't need a priming pan to make it faster.
After filling the reservoir to the required level for what you're heating, put a few drops in the gutter that's formed between the cap screw thread and the outer skin. Light that first, the flame primes and transfers to the centre.
works like a charm
Ernie
I am the designer of the Mahalo, Topsy Turvy, Ultimate stove and others. I have been singing the praises of a primer tray FOR YEARS. That is the ONLY WAY to go in my
Opinion. Saves time, saves fuel, AND HOW I got a pressurized stove to work at -9 degrees at almost 7,000 feet elevation.
The metal base from a Pringles tube looks very similar and works the same. It has a small ridge around to keep the fuel in and if you eat Pringles (like everyone) its basically FREE.
No! Costs me plenty when your heart attacks the healthcare system!
Exactly the prices for these stove stuff is an absolute scam, sometimes it's cheaply made and you can get a similar result at home
I say this without a hint of irony. I find these alcohol stove videos endlessly fascinating and strangely soothing. Impressive stuff from the Trangia. I was going to buy the winter attachment but this is much lighter and cheaper. And like others have said I'm sure I can make something similar from a can or jar lid. I've heard of people using a tea light to heat up the stove body but this is a neater solution. Great video my friend. Stay safe and keeping boiling water.
I have a trangia. I use a strip of paper wetted with alcohol as a wick in the stove - works good. Also, put your pot on ASAP to conserve heat - the bloom will come faster.
is that some kind of insulation material?
Does this pass the "So What?" test.
I just tested this out with a tuna can lid...worked like a champ!! Thanks for letting us in on this amazing stove trick 😀
I use a tuna can to improve priming in cold temps.
Haw, I just mentioned this in my post, scrolled down and yup there it is.
Why pay 2.99 and 10+ for shipping when 25 cents can of tuna can do the same? Hell you can do it with the lid alone.
I just use the top of a tin can that is cut off using a safety (side cut) can opener.....Works great and it is free
I came here to say this.
Great comment, I looked to buy the product at $2.99, but with shipping I would be charged an additional $9.48. Not a great deal for basically a tin (aluminium) can lid you can make DIY.
Im using a snuff can metal lid seeing this 👍
I use the metal bottom from a Pringles can.
I don’t have that opener, so I slaved a bit and cut a hole in bottom of tuna can and scored it 1/2 inch from the bottom toll free. Saved $11 but took 20 minutes to make.
For gram weenies, a shiny stainless cupcake liner makes a good priming tray and also reflects heat up to make the stove slightly more efficient. The three little divots on the priming tray prevent heat loss into the ground so it'll greatly reduce priming time and improve stove efficiency and heat output on cold days. The Spiguyver pop can stove primes in a few seconds. Be sure to build the latest version.
I stumbled on your channel a few weeks ago and owned zero stoves, now I have 4 and a steampunk eddy on the way. The primer ring looks like an awesome idea I will need to make or buy one. These stove videos are addicting thanks for making them
Pro tip: If you light your alcohol stove with a flame thrower, you don't need to prime it. 🤪 I usually just drip a few drops over the top/side of my Trangia, but that was an interesting test. Thanks, Ernie.
Interesting how much better the Trangia is. No wunder that they have not changed it in hundred years.
Such a simple idea and the knock offs still do not get it right. 🤣
Can’t read my writing? Of course not.
You’re a doctor. Thanks for all your videos.
I got a similar alumimum tray from the icing lid of grands size cinnamon rolls.
Michael Barber haha! Me too!
Mmmm. Cinnamon rolls....
That is fantastic, Ernie, well done 👍🏼
I've had issues with my Trangia stoves when using them in high mountain areas of the Cascades (above 5000') in cold weather. Takes forever to prime. This product appears to be exactly what I need!
Trangia sells a cold weather plate on its website. Back in the day they also used to make a military version of the stove that worked better in cold weather but was much bigger then current trangia stove
Ever try a double walled large muffin pan?
Not the whole thing but cut off one of the spots you make a muffin in?
Dear Jim Rodgers, can I please ask , two years later, what your experience of using this type of priming pan worked out in your trips to the Cascades was ? TIA.
Free! Light a small strip of paper (receipt) and drop it in the stove. Also put your pot on immediately, waiting for the bloom wastes heat and fuel. But let us remember: you bought the stove because you're not in a hurry.
I've been using this method for a while now. Works great!
Outstanding information Ernie, Thank You So much Sir !
As always Ernie, Great 👍 little plate, wow what a difference it makes, you always bring practical and simple idea's Thank you. Sincerely Rick from Mo and God bless you and your family
Good find, Doctor. Good job.
Great vid. My priming tray is made by Cambells Pork amd Beans, works great.
Once again fantastic video,I do believe I'll be ordering one soon. Here in my part of Texas we've been in a burn ban for awhile now. It will sure make a difference. Thanks again!!!😊😊😊😊
Essentially a preheater . Pretty cool . Thanks
I have all of these stoves and usually go back to the cat can.. near instant priming and concentrated heat. Used in a Sterno Inferno it's a beast!
Good info / reminder .. thanks 👍😊.
I use a screw-off lid from a glass jar for my Whitebox Stove.
Seems like the Trangia winter attachment idea. I like my Trangia sometimes, sometimes the Fancee Feast but usually the canister stove is hard to beat for weight and ease of use for longer trips. Use what you like.
Works like a champ
Excellent tip!
$3.00 Primer Pan, add $9.50 shipping. Hahaha
I think I'll try an old mayonnaise lid. :-) Its free.
IKR? Great product but ridiculous shipping costs.
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Great experiment and offers users a choice of whether or not to use a priming plate. The one thing I need to add, if you over prime you will boil off your fuel and it will be gone so fast. Priming is great but better it under prime than over prime. Thank you for sharing.
Great tips
Easy enough to make that accessory plate from the bottom of a vegetable can about 1/4 inch high, then if you want a couple bumps to raise the stove, just a few taps with a hammer and a drift punch. #Upcycle #DIY
I like my trangia pre-heater. I normally only use it when it is cold out. But I can see how this plate has some advantages. First $3 versus $13 and more importantly it fits multiple styles of stoves where the trangia is pretty tight and made specifically for the trangia. It might fit others, I've only used it with my trangia and a little one I made myself. There is also a few priming plates and pot stands in one, I don't think I have one but I can see how those might be easier since it is multi function. Looks like they are around $20 though on a fast search. Anyway, I appreciate you doing all these timing videos. I can't tell you how many I've watched and never done myself lol. Appreciate it ;)
I’ve made a few cat can stoves and I kept the small scraps of carbon felt (1”x 1.5”). I normally use a FireBox 🔥 Nano & a Trangia burner. If I need to pre heat I use a small piece of carbon felt sitting under the Trangia, add a bit of fuel & light them up. Works great.
It doesnt waste fuel.... Start cooking immediately, dont sit there waiting for jets to fire.
I totally agree with you, I've never understood why some people sit and wait for the burner to come to a full bloom if they are using a separate pot stand.
Real revelation. Great discovery
Great video that shows how to get an extra minute of boil/cook time. I use a side cutting can opener and make my priming plates out of soup or tuna can tops/bottoms! JMHO
I knew when I clicked this video the result basically was going to be "Upside down soup can/pickle/cheese jar lid as a base" and I was not disappointed, I wish more people knew about this by default. That said you only need a few drops around the can lid otherwise like you've shown if you fill the lid fully you get a run away stove combustion.
Another better version of this is to just stick the alcohol stove inside a tuna can and light the whole thing with a few drops in the tuna can. Whoosh!
That said, you should try out the Lixda Titanium Stove if you're showing people about priming pans, the stove itself has a channel you put some alcohol in after filling to prime the stove quickly.
The spirit cup and thermal cuppling are certainly not new inventions, but that $3.00 accessory plate does the job and would save on ethanol. Thanks for the tip.
I suggest using ethanol. The vapors from methanol are much more toxic.
@@danielkutcher5704 Good tip.....thanks. I made the correction above so not to misguide folks.
Well done brother
i am on ther side of a primitive planet, however, u amuse me by ur sweet tongue in explaining wat u do best,MAGNIFICENT!!! KEEP IF UP GUY, GODBLRSS.
Thank you so much for your input. Do you have any plan to teach us how to DIY prime plate?
Trangia and many of its knock off with exactly the same copy have a priming ridge built in them. The ridge is designed for conditions that are very cold when alcohol doesn't vaporize effectively in a timely manner.
Tanks erni
Nice... Thank you
Not being picky ...I've always heard it called , Coming to a bloom or just Blooming when you light the fuel inside the unit. As you said on the Trangia at the 4:20 mark. Priming ( using a 2nd heat source ) would be what you did with the accessory unit ( disk ) the stoves sat on. That would be really helpful with the Vargo alcohol stoves , they take forever. I have tried every one of them and always go back to the Trangia and then the Evernew Titanium. Your 1st 2 stoves look like the White Box Stove which is a really good one. I don't get in a hurry when camping and have used a alcohol stove of some sort for about 60 years now. Today I don't care if the stove of choice is slow since I'm slow today. Like you said , each one is special in it's own right , even my D.I.Y. ones. lol.
DIY alcohol stoves use a soaked wick on the outside of the stoves, cheap and works great :)
Other trick is warm it up by body heat and start with small amount of fuel. When it start, put fire off and add fuel. Gas canister need primer in winter.
My capillary groove stove primes in 4 seconds, and boils 2 cups of water in under 5 minutes. Comes with a built in pot stand.
It´s a Fancy Feast Mod by Hiram or a Spiguyver Stove?
@@thexitto it's the capillary groove stove that Hiram advised should have a pressure release hole at the top. We still miss Hiram.
@@joelrampersad1359 That model was know as CAS stove, Tombike stove (have a Vimeo video with 3mi+ views with how make one), groove beer can stove.
An very easy to make model, just not much fuel efficient, as burn hot and fast.
The evernew titanium is my favorite commercial alcohol burner/stove. Otherwise I like the larger version Vienna sausage can and tomato paste can fancy feast style alcohol stove.
Thanks for this video , i was disappointed with boundless voyage until i saw this and tried it with a small lid from a flux can i had
Priming trays are great as your video shows! Perhaps light the primer tray first?
Thanks for your videos. My solostove 🔥 was always yellow flame. Got an evernew placed inside solo elite boils 8 oz in < 3 min. Thank you!. Will drilling solostove burner holes bigger get me a blue flame?
Bottom of a soda can makes a perfect primer pan. Costs nothing if you repurpose a can from a bin. Works as well.
interesting.... I just use a jar lid to set the stove on and dribble some alcohol in it
and yes it helps allot ! even on the simplest of stoves ! I made a soup can stove that had a ring of 3/8" holes around the base of the can about 1 1/4" from the base and another ring of holes near the top rim.... just pour in the alcohol into the can and light it ! it's the simplest I've seen yet and works very very good and you can set the pot right on it !
I have the top of a 8" cookie tin I use for the pre heater, but a large jar lid will do the trick as well.
it seems to be critical to get the right amount for priming alcohol, so that the stove doesn't run away, and waste fuel
With the Trangia, have you tried placing a few drops of alcohol on the lip right below the jets? But like you said it lights up fast already.
GOD Bless you and your family
I have a Trangia, but will get this plate because I won't always be in Phoenix
My lunch hours are now centered around learning everything there is to know about alcohol stoves.😁
Wondering if it would have primed faster if you had lit the priming tray 2 or 3 seconds before lighting the fuel inside. Fun video. Well done .
The lighting order sequence is inconsequential. The primary factor in speeding up the bloom time is that the fuel in the inner chamber (to be warmed & compressed for burning from the jet holes) be heated from both the inside and outside walls of the burner simultaneously.
I'm wondering if I can use or modify a bathroom shower escutcheon plate.
Bottom of a small can about 1/2 inch diameter larger than the stove also can work. Cut the can to about 3/8". Cost-free.
Well thats interesting. It looks a bit dangerous but as long as it gets your water boiling faster right?
good morning, thx for posting. Just a big CON with that accidental spillage on the table possibility, but yeah its proven to work. Idk.
-b
Do any of your Louisiana ER patients ever do a double-take when they see you or ask if you're the PaleoHikerMD? Just curious. Btw . . . another great video!
Great priming tray! Too bad shipping is 3 times the price at 10 bucks. Going to try making my own until I can get this via Prime.
small paint can lid.
Stoves with pot stands do not need priming, nor do
Stoves with big holes like a "Supercat", the lightest, fairly durable, single walled aluminum stove that I know of. No pot stand, no primer plate, packs tiny, and pretty simple to use. I cut a piece of disposable aluminum oven liner to the size of my pot, which probably heats the stove by reflecting heat back, and I routinely get quicker boil times than other tests which I have seen.
The flat top of the Trangia will take a few drops of alcohol, which will prime it nicely.
Note: titanium doesn't hold heat efficiently, so doesn't make the best alcohol stove material.
Copper, brass, and aluminum transfer heat very well, but copper is soft and heavy, brass (Trangia, Brasslite) is harder, but heavier than aluminum, which is also cheap (DIY).
That was a good video Ernie. It would've been interesting to see a comparison using the Pathfinder spirit burner from Self Reliance Outfitters.
In any case, you did a good video. Thank you. 🙂
Stay safe everyone. 😎😁
This is a really interesting video.
I wonder when the extra drops of alcohol on the plate is more or less than the full priming procedure?
I'm pretty sure the extra drops on the plate is more than it take for the Trangia to prime and the extra drops is way less on the stove that primed in over two minutes, but I wonder where the point is here?
My stove prime in about 20-25 seconds, so I GUESS it doesn't make sense to prime it faster, but I don't KNOW.
Honestly, that curve depends on the ambient temperature. That's why documenting the ambient temp is important, Ala Hiram Cook. The lower the ambient temp, the longer it will take for the jets to bloom (enter the priming tray to save your fuel efficiency day).
The other main factor is what the stove/burner is made from. Steel is far inferior at transferring heat through the dense metal walls for compression to take place than aluminum walled burners (thinner is better).
Cat Can and Capillary Hoop Stoves are the only ones that do not need a primer tray. All others' fuel efficiency benefit wildly from using a primer tray (and couple that with a windscreen, and your in business).
In made a side Burner that with chs en only used two can's.
It primes in max 10sec.
What also works is a lid of a large can
Do they prime faster if we put a pot on top?
But that obviously works.
Love these videos. Not sure of your math though, 2.07 compared to 15 seconds is 8 and a bit times faster, not 15 times faster. Only 60 seconds in a minute😱
Great tip! Have heard of this addition to alcohol burners and forgot about it for yrs…tried a tuna lid and works like a champ on trangia,lixada titanium,and the Tomshoo titanium….thanks Ernie! Made all 3 of these prime to full bloom in 10 seconds or less👍
FREE PRIMER TRAY !!!!! Use the lid off your Nacho Cheese Dip !!! It works GREAT !
How does the Trangia winter attachment help the Trangia?
Two questions: 1) how much is the fuel savings with putting fuel in the priming pan? 2) does the wick make the stove so efficient that the priming pan is not going to improve the efficiency or does the wicking interfere with the prime Pan's function?
The proper function of the priming tray is achieved when you only use as much fuel as to get the jets bloomed and the tray burns out soon thereafter (having used only a small amount of fuel to get the burner going: as opposed to having a hyped up blazing inferno like Erie had going after the jets were lit).
^----This is where you have attained maximum fuel efficiency. The key is to ONLY use as much is necessary to get a bloom.
Wicking materials, in my experience, only absorb heat that is supposed to be transfered to the fuel to be compressed in the inner chamber, delaying the bloom... so I don't use them.
I've got a million of those primer plates. So does everyone with a roll of aluminum foil.
What is the difference between red camp and trangia besides brand?
Bonjour So which one is the best ?
I wish you would do a taoks syphon stove
The Boundless Voyage has a priming wick. You put alcohol on it and light it. This heats up the stove and primes it.
Also, for expensive stoves like the EverNew do you believe it could possibly damage the stove in some way...after all these things are designed pretty specific. For those other cheap stoves, who really cares...except for the fact of the ones made from aluminum which WILL throw off toxic fumes of coarse. Yet I am thinking that maybe it is possible to damage the wicking material some if you have a direct flame underneath it...in any event you showed how fast the evernew primed (I just got mine in the mail less than an hour ago) so to me I would just wait the extra few seconds. BTW the Evernew pairs AMAZINGLY with the Lixada Titanium wood / alcohol burning, they fit like and in glove!
Hello Paleo chiming in, surely has it's place form intertaly self prim wire meash perhaps inexpensive goodes locly sourced
Some burners seem to have more major flare up, then settled down, others just no drama blooming? Was this burner design or just luck? If you repeat it, each burner might change?
What would happen if the priming tray was permanently attached to the stove and it was lit first?
Coincidentally I just discovered this idea myself. I thought I was making these home brew stoves wrong because they took so long the start working. Yeah, I just used a can lid. Also one of those “disposable” mini aluminum pie tins. Why nobody came up with this years ago?? The old Primus gasoline stoves had a small cup built onto the base of the stove for this exact purpose.
WTF?
Every test video it seems always has them in a controlled environment (inside, warm, no wind).
I expect those heater rings to not fare so well in the cold and wind.
Ever notice that in almost every video when someone used an alcohol stove, they have to set it usually on the ground, rock, or sometimes a stump?
No fun bending over cooking with those lol
Now if that heater ring had a way to elevate the stove a bit, that might be a nice feature.
Or a rin that is 'wind proof'.
Dr. Ernie, a heads up, with my experience with this pre heating pan there is no need to light the stove itself at all simply light the Prime-Lite Primer Pan and it will light the stove automatically which I'm sure will save fuel 'big picture' along the way, try it.
I got a Trangia preheater spirit burner. It has 4 spider feet that clamp to the sides of the stove.
It clips to the bottom of the stove, you push it up to the seam bottom, to use, pull it down, the feet, click into that ring around most tangeria like stoves.
Under the stove, you have a pad you add fuel to, lightning it, to warm up the stove.
You don't need to preheat.
Just don't pull it down into place.
Down it can be used as a stand to keep the stove bottom off cold ground, a 🥶 rock.
Well, $10 is pricey compared to the stove price, and $2.99?
Trangia do their own winter attachment that snaps onto the bottom of the stove. 👍
I like the trangia winter attachment since it provides a plate to hold the burner and wick so that there is a lower risk of setting the surroundings on fire like Ernie did with his table and this tray.
A lot more expensive and probably heavier but much more sophisticated and safer I would say because of the pad the alcohol soaks into.
I definitely agree with those opinions. 🙂
@@jtucker4201 i just cut down a aluminum cat food can 2 about 3/8",, works perfectly,, don't have a cat??? Then get one !! LOL. 🐈🐈🐈..
Wrap some aluminum foil around the bottom of the stove. Pull it away slightly or remove it entirely. put a few drops of fuel into it or better yet, use it to catch any spillage from filling the stove. Place the stove in it and light.
But are you burning more fuel in the priming pan than it would otherwise burn to self prime?
Coffee tin lid?
Straight up though you were flipping us off in the thumbnail
I'm a little confused. If someone is deciding on a backpacking stove, and they are concerned about 1 stove taking 15 sec and another taking 60 sec, is your enjoyment of the outdoors make or break on 45 sec?
Why not using the Toaks?
I thought "$2.99 for a can lid? No way." I see Paul used a tuna can lid. I used a Bush's Baked Beans lid. Works perfectly. I love your videos, Ernie, but this one missed the boat.
I use a half-gallon V8 juice can lid. Our can opener cuts the seem, not the lid. The result? The lid comes off easily, w/ NO sharp edges.
They seem all unsafe to me because you can not control these types of stoves, and you proved that by having some of the fire on your tabletop. will pass on these types, for I like to control the flame. but you did a great video. Again thanks for doing this video.
You just put a bunch of old stove back in service! Thanks.