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Piccolo's Fusion Paradox - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 15!
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2021
- Dragon Ball Dissection continues! Vegeta is gone, and the story gets a chance to breathe. Unfortunately, that just means things start getting confusing. Why can Piccolo do a dance nobody else can do? How many wishes do the Dragon Balls grant anyway? Can I put together a Bingo card of DBD tropes? Find out now!
As you may or may not know, the powers that be have taken issue with my using Dragon Ball music in the opening. I suppose that's certainly their right. As a result, I have made the difficult choice to replace the opening music in most of The Boo Arc videos with a new, UA-cam-friendly piece. I hope you like it. As a compromise, I have retained the original music in a few select Boo Arc videos scattered across the arc. For those who miss the original, follow this link to the opening as I uploaded it in 2020. Thanks so much for your support!
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Bulma: "Man, I can't believe Vegeta might be EVIL!"
Yamcha: "Don't worry, Bulma, he was always evil and let us down only every time we trusted him. There're no reasons not to trust him to do the right thing."
Yamaha in trying to console a grieving widower of someone she should never have gotten anywhere near.
@@spartanq7781 Yeah, realistically she should've stayed with Yamcha
@@spartanq7781 To be fair, Yamcha was a roving bandit who attacked a child when she met him, so you could say the same for him.
@@TheAzulmagia Are you seriously comparing someone who used to be a bandit to a murdering physcopath? Yamaha was a desert urchin. It's a lot more believable for him to be redeemed.
@@TheAzulmagia Yamcha was a 16 year old robber. Vegeta was a 29 year old mass murder responsible for multiple genocides, who then snapped to kill again in his 40s.
Can i just say I'm really looking forward to a rant in the next video about how why everyone thinks Gohan is dead when literally everyone who was just killed was resurrected.
Oh, I'm working on that video right now, and I can assure you that it's going to be there! =P
@UC2dEflvAXo4WlClm9XpJpkg Yamcha clearly said that the people who died on that day got revived except the bad guys. That’s how Kibito came back to life, despite not being killed by Vegeta.
I was just thinking about that
@@MistareFusion Yeah, that always bothered the heck out of me too.
I mean, sure, it makes sense that Vegeta wouldn't have been resurrected, but Gohan is both definitely a good guy and hadn't died before, yet they all act like he's permanently gone forever. Videl, strangely enough, is the only one who has an intuitive feeling that Gohan is still alive.
What's more confusing is the way the wish is worded in the first place. What they want is to bring back all those killed by Vegeta at the tournament and I suppose anyone else Bulma and Yamcha assume Vegeta may have killed that day. So they just wish to bring back all those killed by Vegeta. But Yamcha specifically asks to bring back anyone who died that day, barring evil people. From Toriyama's POV, this is done to revive Kibto who would then save Kaioshin and Gohan. Makes sense. But in-story, there's no reason why Yamcha is phrasing the wish in such a specific way, aside from maybe, for good measure, he wants to do save any other innocent people who died that day due to other circumstance.
Of course, that doesn't really excuse the obvious plot hole of everyone being convinced Gohan is dead despite the fact they just used the Dragon Balls. I guess, maybe, none of the characters, like some fans, put the dots together? Or I guess, since they could still not sense Gohan's power, they assumed he must still be dead and the wish didn't include them, but that would make no sense either, since Yamcha asked for everyone to be brought back.
I bet Captain Ginyu could learn the Fusion Dance in 5 non-Freeza minutes.
Of course he is the master of dances offs after all.
He would do the dance of learning dances!
@@Gigamex2 Followed by the dance of joy.
@@spartanq7781 And per the order of Lord Cooler, the Daddy's little princess dance
He wouldn’t just learn it, he would master it
Perhaps goku meant piccolo could stay and supervise the boys as they practiced the fusion. The dance itself is simple as is the concept of matching your ki, but in practice it’s obviously far harder, so I don’t think piccolo could have taught goten and trunks any more than Goku had already taught them during the short time he was on earth. Piccolo in this instance seems more like a study hall proctor than a teacher
Yeah, that is what I figured. There are two steps to learning the fusion technique: learning steps of the dance itself and being able to perform it correctly. Goku can teach Piccolo (and probably Gohan and Vegeta also) in half a day, but the whole practice to be able to do without mistakes is another matter.
That’s exactly what I’ve always thought. It was never confusing to me.
Yeah because it’s really just the dance that would seem difficult to learn
I don’t think it’s the dance. At least in the anime it was stated that their energy, even breathing and I’m pretty sure thoughts had to be perfectly in sync. I always assumed that took the most time because obviously it would, and it’s what allowed them to fuse at all with the dance even when it was imperfect. Or to put it in other words, matched breathing, thoughts, and energy allowed a fusion in the first place while how well the dance was performed determined how strong the fusion would be.
I don’t get why mistarefusion was struggling to understand this so much, it seemed very obvious and well explained to me, or at least easily inferred. Maybe it’s different and explained poorly in the manga.
Never realized how clever Bulma recording piccolo doing the mafuba in Super was until your fusion rant. Maybe Bulma should invest in a technique database that the team has access to should they need to learn someone else's techniques 🤔
It would have made her more useful than just being future Trunks mom and Vegeta's concubine. After namek saga.
_OoooOOOOooohhh_ !!!
I like this idea!
Since I was a kid, I interpreted the "stone" Vegeta as a dusty husk. Basically self destruction and burning out all of his ki / life force, all that is left is a hollow shell (an artistic interpretation of being burned out). "...and to the dust you shall return." Something like that.
It's also probably an Ashita no Joe reference.
@@luanvieira6892 I highly doubt Ashita no Joe even existed already in the mid 90's though...
EDIT : My bad, it seems it did !
@@798jeremy Ashita no Joe is a 70s manga lol or sum like that lol
It’s always been weird that it happened after Daburas spit was stoning folks... I think I always assumed it was something from the demoning or majin-ing process because dabura did it to fools earlier..
@TheReelSketchman
Interesting, as a teen I just assumed that was a side effect of being under Babidi's spell.
It's almost as if piccolo is the smartest person on earth at the moment
Bulma is smarter than him.
@@wititorac bulma is knowledgeable, but she doesn’t have the wisdom of god
@@wesley5729 he said smartest person, not wisest. Piccolo couldn’t build a time machine, or a FTL spacecraft, etc. Hes wiser and knows more about fighting , but hes not smarter than her.
@@wititorac I think he is. Kami has been alive for far longer and has overseen the entire earth for thousands of years. He probably could learn time travel if bulma taught it to him.
They have different skillset
Bulma is a science wizard but picolo is more skilled in mystical type skills
Yamcha's actor once said he hated Vegeta for the forced romance. As a result, I imagine him not caring about the stone prince during the anime version of these chapters
Wait it was a interview? Can you show me where I found it?
@@murilobenicio1236 Some book named "TV Anime Guide: Dragon Ball Tenka’ichi Densetsu" The fandom has it online
@@tintor2 thanks👍
Can't say I blame him
This is Dragon Ball there’s no romance. Especially not in dialogue. Literally everything happens offscreen.
The "heat of the moment mistake in canon" thing does happen later, tho. When Piccolo misremembers how the Time Chamber works, thinking Buu has hours to mess around after he leaves them there, and Gohan has to go "Ummm, it's the other way around..." a few chapters later. Lot of editorial balls being dropped this arc.
Yeah, specially as Buu as enough time to transform and eat everyone before the come out, which should have only been a few seconds of real time.
@JoGeJo It's makes sense. He was in a moment of desperation. He destroyed their ONLY way out of the chamber.. With no real way to get out.
Piccolo would have been tripping balls and would have slipped up. Not uncommon.
@JoGeJo Especially since he merged with the guy that managed the room for the longest time.
@@GeekedOutNeckbeard Real life irrationally while realistic isn't good for media, there's no way around it. The story doesn't get any better because of that and no amount of post rationalization will change it. You like the media, you feel entitled to defend it against all logic
The media doesn't love you back the same way, so... don't.
@@pascalsimioli6777 Well no, real life irrationality does work for media, like most irl things. Problem is not having them, is using them well. It is always about keeping consistency. If Piccolo is just not the time to get uppity in tough situations, since he tends to be the more calm one, then it doesn't make much sense he slipped up in desperation. And it feels weak as a suggestion if it's explained like that.
Alternate explanation for the Fusion Dance debacle: Goku is an ADHD demigod and Vegeta would never bother learning the dance as he is in the Buu arc. Gohan is the only one studious and attentive enough to try, but Goku would have to greatly increase his son's power level to match his, which would take time (see the HBT before Cell.
Goku in his rare moment of combat genious recognizes that Piccolo is attentive enough and serious enough a trainer to not only pick up the basics of the dance, but also to be able to discipline Goten and Trunks through the steps while also working out the theoretical energy balancing problem for them, which Goku himself is too scatterbrained to do within a short timeframe.
This is what I'd always thought in the past; glad to see someone else thinks similarly.
BUT... Not sure if anime filler shortly after this; or actual canon manga material after this... Rather debunks that theory; Because it's explained even Goten and Trunks aren't quite similar enough in ki/power level; But they didn't have to train Goten to his level, they just tell Trunks to hold back a bit of his power and it works fine. If Trunks can just suppress his power down to Goten's level? There is no reason the prodigy learning Kamehameha in an instant; Goku wouldn't have been able to suppress himself to Gohan's level.
At this point more realistically; Goku just really didn't wanna fuse with anyone as shown with the way he later on denies fusing against Kid Buu. Nothing short of Buutenks/Buuhan really forced him to fuse personally as he thought with SSJ3 he could even just beat Fat Buu on his own as he states later.
Another realistic option: Goku doesn't actually wanna help take down Buu personally to toughen up the next generation: Which makes sense thematically. It's also why he claims he didn't use SSJ3 until he had to.
It's kind of funny how Piccolo has become the guy who teaches people how to do the fusion dance when he's never actually used it to fuse with anyone himself.
@@TheAzulmagia Yeah it's extra funny because he's not terribly far off from Goku's height to the point I feel like they should've been able to do it.
Naa, is only a writing excuse to have Piccolo as a babysitter again.
@@daymianhogue1634 I mean look at that panel of them pretending to do it. Piccolo's a full head taller than Goku. I don't know how much the height discrepancy can be in fusion (Toriyama later retcons that having similar body size just makes it EASIER, not that it's impossible). Granted you could argue Goku is Theoretically taller than Vegeta and they manage to do the fusion dance in several pieces of media (including the one tentatively "canon" appearance in the recent Broly movie). Of course, Vegeta has slowly been gaining height throughout the series and is pretty commonly depicted as tall as Goku now. (and that really bugs me).
Yamcha being a husband than Vegeta doesn't really surprise me.
better*
Yamcha is GOD, and then you know.
what
Here's a proposed solution to the Fusion Paradox: The Fusion Dance is actually a lot easier to do than Goku makes it sound. The dance moves are indeed the most difficult part of the fusion. Rather, the reason it took Goku so long to master it is because ... he's Goku. He's a master of fighting, but a complete dunce at literally everything else. Dancing is as foreign a concept to him as math. This is evidenced in the movie "Fusion Reborn" (or "The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta" in Japan). Whereas Goku had to practice for an entire week to master the moves, Vegeta is able to master the technique on his second try after only a few minutes, and he did so over his egregious protests of how stupid the dance made him look, so he probably wasn't even giving it his all.
Imagine an episode of Goku trying to learn interpretive dance.
@@TheAzulmagia I'll watch that
@@TheAzulmagia he was dancing pretty well in that episode with princess snake.
but....it was filler.
@VINCENTNATTI I always interpreted it that it was that Goku is wrong, its simple to learn, but it was hard for Goku because he had to lower his Ki so much to try to get on anyone else's level, it was significantly harder for him to fuse. Vegeta and Goku are a lot closer in level, so it was relatively simple. In fact you could also say that's why he scored the lowest on the punching machine, he's had a lot of practice at lowering his strength from his Fusion Dance training. It was never a factor of it being difficult to learn, but Goku's lack of viable partners made it harder for him to learn.
It’s actually really sad to think how Piccolo lost his mind, personality even soul in binding with God, like the only thing left of him is his physical body.
Its both sad and somewhat fascinating to see how fusion psychologically affects Piccolo
I mean, it’s less God in a Piccolo suit than a Namekian who has forgotten his true name. But yeah, it is sad
I guess character development doesn't exist.
Worse, in Dende's eyes, that is "Kami on a Nail Suit", he never met Piccolo.
He's still Piccolo. He's just Piccolo with Kami's traits peeking in from time to time.
Missed opportunity to name this episode “Fusion Confusion”
It was a fusion of confusion with a few confounding things
I don’t understand why Toriyama chose to establish the confusing “the Dragon Balls can grant three wishes, but only if you don’t wish to bring large groups of people back to life” rule, instead of simply saying that the Dragon Balls can only grant two wishes, and leave it at that. He even forgets about this rule in Resurrection ‘F’.
I think it made sense in context when they were asking Dende if he could make the Dragon Balls exactly like the ones on Namek, by having 3 wishes and revive more than one person. Dende says he can but with drawbacks that still limit the story. But as usual Toriyama forgets the rules he makes
I think DBZ Kakarot tries to explain that originally the dragon balls can do two wishes, but in the seven years hence from the cell and buu arcs he upgrades them to being able to do three wishes
@@randomfox12245 that isn't canon tho
@@tanyaharmon6739 the game is more "fixing things in hindsight" kind of thing.
@@Zacman1123 Still not canon
"who have become cardboard cut-ou-" *ad break* "-outs."
Might wanna update that.
No it works because it gives it time to sink in.
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Fusion is honestly my favourite technique Toriyama introduces. I personally think it’s really creative and I really like all the fused characters (pre-Super)
This was a really good episode, lots of fun minutia and honestly the moment you mentioned perfect recall/mimicry my mind started screaming "Tenshinhan! GET TENSHINHAN!"
Makes sense but Toriyama would have to actually care about Tenshinhan
And Chaiotzu...
I was always under the impression that Piccolo didn’t need to master the technique, but just supervise the training. Gokū and Piccolo know the theory: the dance and the same level of ki. Piccolo can see if the kids do mistakes, and the theory isn’t difficult.
Doing the dance in synchronization was probably the most difficult part after all, and considering that characters other than Gokū tend to learn faster than him, it wouldn’t surprise me that Gokū just assumed Gohan and Vegeta are as slow as him.
Later on, Gokū even suggested the Metamorian Fusion with Gohan and Vegeta on two different occasions. The only objections being that Boo wouldn’t let Gokū and Gohan have the time to fuse (since he’s already familiar with it) or because Vegeta hated the dance. So, it doesn’t seem to be a big time problem after all.
Ooor... they could go into the room that makes a day into a year. I don’t really know. This series is all over the place, lol.
Would that count as just a day for Goku tho? Or would Uranai Baba have to go in to get him out of there?
@@federicoarmada8775: Seems like the latter, since as an upcoming transformation will show, it's less about how much time Goku spends outside the afterlife, and more about how much energy he expends. We even see that the energy exertions seem to take a physical toll on Goku implying that to maintain his afterlife body requires some essential essence that can only be recharged in the afterlife.
Always wondered if that applied to the dead
Goku literally can't go in again because you can only go in twice and Goku already went in once as a kid and once as an adult. They do later put Goten and Trunks in the time chamber for that very reason though. (You could argue they should've done it earlier)
@@yotomoe5953: That was never how the rules worked. It was that you can't spend more than 1 year in a single go, and no more than a total 2 years period. It's only a limit of two times if both times are for a full year.
Goku has been in the chamber twice, yes, but neither time did he spend a full year in the chamber, so he could absolutely still go in for a third third time.
Yep God is in a Piccolo suit
It's at its most obvious when Super Buu smashes up the Lookout and Piccolo basically starts crying over it.
Yes piccolo is the evil side of kami (wich means god)
Yamcha's intelligent idea even actually proved to be a Godsend. Kibito was killed by Dabura, independent of Vegeta's actions, and if he wasn't revived, the good guys would eventually have been sunk: Supreme Kai wouldn't be healed, Z Sword would still be left alone keeping Old Kai sealed, and there would have been nobody to revive Goku or even heal and/or boost Gohan.
Oh, and by the way, Vegeta wouldn't have been revived regardless of he was deemed a really bad guy, because Shenron already revived him back in the Freeza arc.
I don’t think Piccolo learn fusion per say , he learned the criteria for fusion so that he could teach the kids. They had to learn to match each other’s movements and power levels he simply had to teach them the movement and coach them through finding that symmetry.
That could of made sense if Goku hadn't said that it took him a week to learn just the dance and that he didn't have anybody to really practice matching power levels with thus never accomplishing fusion himself. This makes it awfully convenient that Piccolo can learn it in less than a couple hours and teach such symmetry to a 7 and 8 year old.
@@shocksconstant yea goku saying he mastered something he never did makes no sense. I’m more speaking on piccolo overseeing the training.
@@Gardi93 That's what I'm saying. If Piccolo can learn the technique enough to teach others the move that would mean that he HAD to have at least done it before. How can Piccolo teach them how to symmetrically line their ki up with each other and perform the fusion when he, like Goku, never actually accomplishes the fusion itself thus never understanding how thats suppose to feel.
@@shocksconstant piccolo just has to stand there and sense their ki and tell them which one needs to raise or lower to hit that sweet spot. The kids aren’t master at ki (goten just learned to fly) so they need help to master that. The dance has nothing to do with how hard it is because krillin does the dance later on with piccolo as a demonstration.
@@shocksconstant actually the krillin part might be filler but still 😂
Ok, the DBD Bingo card HAS to be put into every video from now on. Sorry, but you did this to yourself 😂😂😂
Extermination is the only solution
Agreed only please no more reminders of Dragon Ball Minus.
Its that time again! And yea, Piccolo basically just became Kami in this arc, which too an extent isn't an issue, but there's basically no Piccolo in there in this arc.
Agreed about Piccolo teaching fusion being pretty jank.
dragonball's biggest issue is simply escalation....goku basically from day 1 was way too strong and then when he train with roshi hes even stronger and then he learns with korin and then on his own then with korin again sorta then with popo kami and hes basically a god....but yet we are suppose to believe ssj 2 3 4 and ssj blue and ui are better?..how?.ssj and ssj god felt like they showed its power increase same for kaioken ozaru too...but outside of that all these transformations feel like a waste of time..just look different and have a higher form color or number...how is it goku can train for a year with kami and not gain as much power as he did training under 100 times gravity or how the cyborgs are much stronger then freezer without gero even knowing about ssjs?...or freezer?...how does that make sense....
I see a mistarefusion notification, I fuse my finger to the like button.
I THINK that maybe the intent of the "would take a week" thing with Fusion is that the technique itself is so precise that any small error causes a huge issue and not that the actual form or process takes a week to figure out, but I will defer to you thought that through already
God dammit, I paused SECONDS before you said that exact thing! I'm sorry!!
I respect you keeping the comment up for prosperity
@@radicalraddish6292 And posterity
Piccolo just copy-pasted the instruction manual as Goku dictated it, thus describing an ideal way to execute the dance, as it was described to him. Goten and Trunks need to achieve that ideal with absolute precision through constant practice and, because they're kids, they need a strict adult supervising them. I don't see the problem.
I don't know if I'd be going on a tangent by trying to force a real life parallel into this but: If I describe the characteristics of a perfect Circle, you would understand what I mean even if you aren't able to draw one yourself. Yet you could watch two kids as they try over and over to draw a perfect Circle and judge how close they’re to achieving it.
"I don't think there's a Hallmark card for 'I'm sorry he killed again" is a line that transcends all mediums
So what’s your take on Trunks learning the Mafuba by UA-cam tutorial? Or Roshi being able to use it so many times in less than 30 minutes without dying?
As for Roshi you can argue since he's gotten stronger than when he used it against King piccolo it wouldn't kill him right away
Mafuba spends Genki, which is less than ki, but does grow as your ki capacity increases. you can spend genki either raw or through specialized techniques [mafuba, kikoho], and genki is more potent than ki.
Both Chiazou's and Vegeta's self sacrifising techniques involve spending all your (remaining) Ki and Genki at one pop.
Mafuba spends a large ammount of genki, which mutaito and db era roshi cant survive, but piccolo daimao arc tenshinhan CAN.
Its also implied that even the Artificial humans 17 and 18 have limited Genki, otherwise the genkidama (which is formed by genki) in the TOP would grow to infinite size as soon as they raised there arms.
@@JSHADOWM mafuba spends ki.
I have no idea what you think genki is but the only think involving the word genki is the genki dama.
Which is the spirit bomb. The thing with roshi is that he had less ki than he does now. So mafuba before used up a lot of ki. The thing about shin kikoho is that tien spammed it until he burnt out his reserves and hurt himaelf by his continuious use afterwards.
@@yashaoftheflames8475 smh I have that this is peoples reasoning
@@ColdNorth0628
They mean Life Energy. Like how Tri-Beam uses life energy rather than normal Ki.
Oh I thought the bingo joke was gonna be a few more pages of no vegeta
Don't forget the other issue they make and thats the wish they made to resurrect people.
In many episodes or chapters later they still think gohan is dead but technically the wish should have brought him back. To our knowledge we know why that doesn't work but the other characters consider him dead.
So why is that they forgot such an important detail like that. When they just made a wish to resurrect everyone that died that day.
Toriyama forgot.
This was in my recommended and HOLY SHIT I am so glad I watched. I love me some good ol’ critical analysis. Great video!
I'm sorry Lance, but I feel like you misunderstood the Piccolo Fusion Paradox.
Goku is only instructing the steps needed to Piccolo. The kids need a third party to observe their dance movements and Ki levels, which is what Piccolos is for. He doesn't need to be able to do the fusion himself in order to just observe.
Nonetheless, great video. I really love the gang playing cards at Kamis Lookout. But you can see Toriyamas background art become more and more sketchy
Exactly, this was what I’ve thought since I first watched the Boo arc in order.. Kami (in a Piccolo suit) happened to be the most experienced & knowledgeable fighter around when Goku wanted to teach fusion to Goten & lil Trunks. Kami could easily learn the 5-second dance within a few hours if he had to, and then oversee the kids try the most difficult part of fusion: matching Ki with your partner. Right place, right time. Could Popo have done the same thing? Maybe, but I think he had too much respect for Kami to do his job, and actually I do believe the fact that Kami and Piccolo were once joined does give him prior experience on merged beings that would explain why he was the right guy for the job.
True, but Piccolo still needs to learn all of the finer points of the dance movements in less than a day.
@@TheAzulmagia I mean, It's not THAT hard of a dance to memorize. I'm pretty sure I could develop the ability to discern a successful fusion dance after watching it for half a day.
@@yotomoe5953 If it's not that hard of a dance, then why wouldn't Goku be able to teach Vegeta or Gohan to fuse with him in that time?
@@joeeffect10 There is nothing establishing that Kami has any relevant experience causing him to learn faster. And no, placing your hand on someone's chest to merge has nothing to do with teaching the fusion dance.
I appreciate "Poor Dolt" more or less being "free space" far more than I should xD
Great content as always, MistareFusion
The easiest solution would be to use the spirit room for goku to have extra time to teach the kids, but that is the common sense that is very uncommon in the series.
So, the best second option is using piccolo. He did catch the monkey from kaio that goku struggled to catch extremely fast. While his power level can not keep up with the saiyan gains, he is a fast learner and has good memory (like when he remembered everything trunks said).
You could say that Goku's time limit is tied to himself, and not to real time, so using the room wouldn't help. This could be supported by his spending extra time for the transformation later on
Everything between Vegeta's death and Buu's transformation to Super Buu is what I remember the least of this arc so I'm glad I'm getting a deep exploration of thanks to DBD. And already, we have three big topics I find full fascination in listening to. Bravo!
Hey Lance, did you see that sea slug that cientists recently discovered can regenerate their entire body as long as their head is alright?
Don’t a lot of other slugs and worms do that already?
@@brandonlyon730 I don't know, I just saw a video in which it said that they discovered that fact, I don't know if slugs in general can do that, according to google's results, the ones that aren't about the sea slug, it says that slugs will die if they are cut
well Piccolo's weird regen after his statue broke now has SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to explain it :))
That intro was baller, really nice stuff man.
Been following you for quite a few years and I just want to let you know Im still happy everytime a new video pops up in my feed!
Going from THE mighty demon king to THE mighty dance instructor xD
Ahh Piccolo. What the hell happen?
He fused with God
Teaching super powerfull warriors (even if they are kids) is still much better than being pan's nani
loved the I'm not talking about me joke there lol
I find it funny that in the anime Mr. Popo was powerful to fight against Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks
Vegeta-tables turned to stone via instant calcification, all his squishy bits were basically insta-fossilized by the sheer energy output. This is a real thing
I doubt Toriyama thought of that.
Gave Vegeta no mercy in the beginning let him rest in peace 😂😂
Pieces.
It's Vegeta we're talking about someone like him doesn't deserve to be mourned.
The Spartan can't wait to hear what he'll say when he gets brought back to help goku 😂😂😂
Hey, MistareFusion. Now that you're finally covering fusion in DBD, I gotta ask, are you actually a fusion? Have you been one this whole time?
No, he doesn't talk in Stereo.
@@prometheusmodelow8322
Neither did Kibitoshin.
@@Gardetrace But waaaait, he was a KAAAAAI.
This is one of the funniest and greatest episodes of Dragon Ball Dissection 😂
I want that bingo card but not that Minus card please.
I still find it puzzling that they make a wish to resurrect everyone that died that day, but somehow think gohan is still dead. You think the realization from their perspective would have been like:
Krillin: hey wait a minute, gohan has never died before so the wish we made with the earth dragon balls should have brought him back to life, So why can't we sense him and where is he?
But instead of even making that realization, they still think after asking shenron to resurrect people who died that day that gohan is still somehow dead. When technically this would be the first time the earth dragon balls would have resurrected him?????
Fusion has said he will rant about that next time.
When Yamcha and co. made their wish, I don’t think they even knew about Vegeta being dead (aside from Bulma “feeling” something was wrong). Either way, adding in the “no bad guys” condition changed nothing for Vegeta’s revivability, since he was already wished back using the “no duplicate wishes” Earth dragon balls back in the Freeza arc...dude wasn’t gonna get to come back anyway. Incidentally, when he does actually get revived later, it is via the Namek dragon balls, which lack that limitation.
It was a joke.
first video I watched from you and I subbed. got me thinking man
thank you for the rant about the 2 wishes 3 wishes thing, I've rarely heard about it online despite it being right there
I'mma just pretend the Kami part of Piccolo can read minds like Goku did on Namek and learned the technique from him that way.
@Nelle Woodruff
Really? Did you forget both Kami and Piccolo can read minds?
@@DemonicRemption I know they have telepathy styled mind reading, but I specifically meant the thing goku did to krillin where he sort of download the memories.
@@nellewoodruff6337
Sorry about that, I misinterpreted your comment.
Thank goodness I got this in my reccomended. I watched a few episodes of this series but forgot to sub so I couldn't find you.
Okay, glad to know I wasn't the only one who never understood Goku's logic about teaching fusion.
Glad to know now that *I'm* not the only one who never understood it!
I always assumed it's because he expected Piccolo to pick up on a new technique much faster than two kids who never trained seriously.
But that's just my own headcanon, I somehow didn't ever notice that contradiction.
Piccolo doesn't need to master the technique in order to supervise the kids mastering process, he just has to observe and guide them on what they are doing wrong by watching their chi levels and movements.
@@AntonioCardenasT But why can't Vegeta and Gohan do that, then? And why would they do it far slower? You could say Vegeta maybe, but since we haven't revoked the "Gohan greatest in pure talent" shtick, it makes little to no sense yet again.
@@MajorLawliet because they are dead, or at least they think Gohan is dead and Vegeta is super dead.
Your Bingo won my respect for all eternity.
🙏🏾🙌🏾🔥😊 another great vid...WE APPRECIATE YOU!!!!
Ez, what makes Piccolo so special for the fusion dance is that he is Toriyama's favorite character
Finally a new dissection, ive been waiting 372452 years.
8:50
And yet, he proceeds to create Super Saiyan 3 any damn way ... a transformation that will accomplish precisely fuck all in the entire series before being made obsolete by Super Saiyan 4 for GT and Super Saiyan God in super.
Don't forget Super Saiyan blue, blue evolution, Super Saiyan rage, Super Saiyan Rose
@@andrebryant5081 Those forms actually defeat enemies, though.
I got to say your edited intros still manages to fit pretty well.
Babe, wake up, new Dragon Ball Dissection
YAY A new DBD to soothe my mind before my second EMT exam! ^.^
Could they put the dragonballs in the time chamber and just wait a day?
I was going to bring up the whole "Dragon Balls turning to stone" thing, but then I remembered nothing's stopping everyone from doing what Goku did and just grab a ball before it flies away.
Was thinking the same
@@EnigmaBarry but the ball still turned into stone after Goku grabbed it
@@BG-it7hb The issue with the balls turning to stone is that you can't easily find them even with a radar. They look like ordinary rocks. That was the point I was about to bring up...until I remembered everyone could do what Goku did. Grab the balls before they fly. Then Goliath's idea comes in. They could just put them in the Time Chamber. One year in the span of a day and you got three new wishes. Or four months in a third of a day and one new wish.
I think its because-
in theory-
Fusion is incredibly easy to learn how to do
BUT it's practically & realistically a lot harder to be in perfect sync with another person
Thanks for another great video
Not enough time for learning a technique? Gee, if only there was a *cough*plot device*cough*, I mean a way, hmm sort of "room" to have more time, perhaps? Where Goku could get into and learn Piccolo? If only there was a way...
Oh thank god someone's finally explained the whole 2/3 wishes scenario. This has been occupying my brain since the beginning of Resurrection F!
I've always thought since I was a kid that Dende said they'd get three wishes but if they wanted mass revival than it would take up two whole wishes leaving them with just one wish for that specific use of the dragon balls. I never really thought it was a retcon I guess lol.
Wow you are dedicated to your Craft, I remember finding your channel years back but lost it awhile ago to time, I've got some catching up to do
There really should be a Hallmark card for "I'm sorry the guy you left me for is still a homicidal maniac".
Poor dolt
That would have made Yamaha my favorite character ever. It would make up for all of his poor dolt moments.
9:24 I'm surprised you didnt make a Billy (or trini) technobabble joke considering how much they say some derivative of metamorphosis especially early in power rangers.
Nice! Another great video!
"I'm sorry he killed again" has me dead
Yamcha is secretly laughing at the terrible decision the woman who dumped him for said murderer murdered again as if she somehow didn't see it coming.
I’ve always assumed the reason Vegeta was turned into stone was because Boo used Dabura’s spit power to turn vegeta into stone before Boo was blown up into pieces.
Never heard this one before. That’s interesting
Ah another Dragon Ball Dissection my day has become better already 😎
Maybe it would have been useful to have Tenshinhan on the lookout for this. Even though we have seen multiple characters who can adapt new techniques after only seeing them once, Tenshinhan was explicitly stated to have this skill.
If he was present when Goku showed the dance, it could have been reasoned Tenshinhan knew the dance after seeing it once. So being able to help Piccolo train the children.
Of course, you could maybe say Tenshinhan only saw a dance and not the technique itself (although, the only extra thing seems to be an automatic event where both participants fuse). And we also saw Tenshinhan train the Mafuba after seeing it once, so maybe he booster when he claimen to be able to adapt an technique after seeing it once, and an attack like the Kamehameha is just super easy. Although, maybe his Mafuba training was only learning to aim the Mafuba into a rice cooker...
Man, I'm busy so long now, what was I trying to say again? O yeah, it possibly could be useful to have Tenshinhan in this scene.
I always just assumed that Piccolo would be superior to the Saiyans in mastering what seems like a “magic” based, matter bending ability, particularly being whole again with Kami, and that he and Kami together, each having been efficient martial arts and ki teachers, would exceed Goku in teaching ability, who... as far as we can tell, trained together with Gohan so they could each get stronger without reaching him much other than the Kamehameha, and has never really taught anyone anything important at that point.
the signs that Toriyama is done with DBZ become even more apparent when he inverts the rules of the hyperbolic time chamber just so buu can kill every character
The bingo card joke is a stroke of genius MistareFusion at first I didn't think it was going to be used but then you used it. The bingo card represents the repetition of our lives and the lousy reward represents the trivial meaningless things we spend our lives pursuing thus the joke is a warning telling us not to get lost in this repetitive cycle but to focus on finding the more meaningful aspects of life.
I've always felt bad for the people who died due to Goku & Friends being careless and were NOT resurrected by the Dragon Balls ever. Or even those who died, were resurrected the first time, only to die yet AGAIN in the next big bad attack, and as we know, Earth's Dragon Balls can't resurrect the same person twice, so that means those people were never resurrected at all. How is that fair to them, when Goku & Friends have access to now THREE separate sets of Dragon Balls and use them to their own convenience?
I’m not sure why people expect the Z era characters to act this way, though. Its obvious Toriyama checked out a long time ago
@@bryanc7094 Oh by no means did I expect them to act like that. Doesn't mean I don't feel bad for those people.
@@ux92 i understand what you’re saying, it’s just weird seeing so many comments criticizing the power fantasy stand ins for Toriyama not caring anymore especially at this point in Z
This man made a bingo sheet.
Excellent
I wonder how shenlong interpret the wish
Is "today" based on their current timezone? or every dead person would be revived based on the respective time zone where that person died?
will they revive on the exact same position they died relative to earth or to the universe? (after frieza's saga, they had to transport krillin soul to earth so that he would not revive in space)
would it revive random people in other planets that died that day?
Krillin had to be transported back because Namek no longer existed. I think the dragon is smart enough to factor in orbital velocity.
Maybe "todays" means "last 24 hours"
@@fran3ro what if the planet has an orbital day that is not 24 hours long?
@@chabri2000 It's implied what I mean dude.
And that's not even getting into Shen Long's potential definition of evil... Or general Namekians'... Or just Dende's...
17:35 - A decade of typing these Dragon Ball Dissections... You've really done a number on those keys.
No need to worry. That's an overlay, which keeps the keys in perfect factory showroom floor shape.
Man a couple of these Bingo slots seem impossible now like the panty count and the new arc cold open. Though I do like that Goku and Freeza both have a clone option on there. But that begs the question where is the Broly clone option?
Is Boo a Broli clone?
@@BagOfMagicFood no but there is Kale in Super and a literal Broli clone in one of the movies.
I thiiiiiink I get the mindset the Piccolo dance thing was being written from, because I remember being taken along by it when I first watched the show. Like, obviously in real life, learning something to the level you can teach it to others takes much longer than just learning to do it yourself...but in the context of a fantasy magical technique, the flashiness of the actual fusion makes it seem like, oh, well, these kids are going to actually DO the magical fusing, that's a much bigger deal than Piccolo just learning to imitate the pose to instruct them...it doesn't actually make sense, but it's easy for me to see how it's the mindset you'd slip into if you didn't think too hard about it.
So basically Toriyama is making the characters who are canonically using the fusion technique for the first time in the franchise “to wing it”...
All this talk about Piccolo being god in a piccolo suit just keeps making me think, why didn’t Piccolo just become god after the fusion?
Can't make Dragonballs
Because he's still Piccolo, and Piccolo revels in being a warrior, instead of standing around and doing nothing, even though he winds up doing that for the entirety of this arc.
@@kitkat6959 that’s not a rule of being god. I’m not even saying Dende couldn’t show up to make new dragonball and live at the look out just he would not be god in this case.
@@ThelronFjord I mean fair, I guess it’s pretty vague but it seems possible that there are rules that says the god of earth can’t go and fight on its behalf. Although as you said, he doesn’t actually do that much fighting after the fusion mostly falling off by the end of the cell arch.
Kami and Piccolo are both the result of the nemeless Namekian that came to earth splitting into two.
One thing I enjoy about this arc is the approach the heroes have taken to the civilian death toll. Basically, they aren't going to do anything to stop Buu from killing everyone on Earth, because realistically they cannot. They have to wait, prepare and plan on how to defeat Buu first. Then they can just revive everyone with the Dragon Balls. They're still essential to the story because none of the heroes plans can work without the Dragon Balls to fall back on when the time comes. I think this direction makes the most effective use of what the Dragon Balls have effectively become, i.e. the reset button to fix everything. It's interesting to see how this informs the characters actions.
When Evil Buu arrives at the Lookout, Piccolo offers to let him the rest of the humans to buy time. It's a questionable, though desperate move by Piccolo, but it makes sense because he knows they can brought back, so stopping Buu is the priority. Or when Goku tries to buy time to so they can get the Dragon Radar, but then Buu would still be free to destroy West City. So long as they defeat Buu and keep enough people alive to use the Dragon Balls, it doesn't really matter how much damage Buu can do. At this point, we know the Dragon Balls can fix pretty much anything, but it only works so long as the threat is stopped. The Dragon Balls are no longer any kind of challenge for the heroes, they are just a utility like the Senzu bean. I do like the way they become an significant part of the heroes own strategy
Bruh piccolo in a piccolo suit is SMART (foreshadowing duh)
This man exposing the whole DB storyline 🤣😭🤷🏾♂️.
I could have sworn that I saw this video up about a week ago but couldn't find it again after that one time I saw the thumbnail
everyone else: talking about dragon ball rules and The Fusion Paradox
me: cooking up a whole essay about how annoying I find it that Toriyama decided that Piccolo did NOT in fact kill Babidi before
Like...seriously, I don't understand why Toriyama does this. Or to be more specific, I don't understand why he decided to bring Babidi's story to a pretty clear and natural end-point only to bring him back almost immediately afterwards. I appreciate that, as a whole, DBD looks at the series In The Moment rather than Jumping Ahead, because that's how audiences originally experienced the series and thus directly informed how it was being written. But even taken from that perspective, it doesn't make a ton of Narrative Sense to bring Babidi back. Never mind that we can already tell The Monster is going to turn on its Master here (a well-worn trope in Fiction PERIOD and at this point in "Dragon Ball" SPECIFICALLY), Babidi's already fulfilled the most important possible role he could have in the story: Majin Buu has been released. There is literally nothing else he can do that's going to be more important than that. Bringing him back now when he's both fulfilled his function AND been disposed of just feels weirdly redundant (not to mention it strips Piccolo of, like, the ONE Active Accomplishment he has for this entire arc).
And if you DO start taking the long view, it's not as if anything else that's going to happen from this point forward requires him to be there. Given how he consistently uses the threat of re-sealing Buu to keep him in line, the intent seems to be for Babidi to be The Leash that keeps Buu from running wild and just destroying the whole universe, but a.) most of what he and Buu get up to from here on in is still just Destroying Stuff At A Massive Scale, so that doesn't feel like a Dramatically Satisfying rationale
and
b.) the story's going to eventually get around to saying the OPPOSITE, that WITHOUT Babidi to boss him around Buu can in fact be BENEVOLENT. Or at least LESS destructive.
All of which becomes even worse when you realize that Buu's personality thus far is still undefined enough that he could just as easily go either way REGARDLESS of Babidi's influence on him and it would still feel decently believable/consistent with what we know of the character at this point. AND EVEN *THEN*, when Babidi DOES in fact die (which I'd call a spoiler, but c'mon; the story's already laid the groundwork good 'n' thick even here), it'll be almost immediately BEFORE he could in fact have a Dramatically Meaningful Impact on the story again...but that much, at least, is a bridge we can cross when we get there.
Point is? I wish Toriyama had either let Babidi stay dead here, or else had a better, more compelling REASON for bringing him back to life.
Agreed Piccolo definitely should’ve killed Babidi - would’ve actually given him a legitimate accomplishment since the Saiyan arc.
When you see a new DBD video up and watch it within the first hour and now back to waiting
"I don't think there's a Hallmark card for "I'm sorry he killed again."" Perfect lmao
I can see why Toriyama introduce Fusion, seeing as he couldn't think of anything else stronger for Super Saiyan......Until a few chapters later when it turns Goku had unlock Super Saiyan 3 and could easily handle Buu and you wonder what was the point of Fusion at all. Can't wait to see that Dissection.
I think the fusion learning part should be understood like this:
-You can learn the basics fairly quickly, the dance, the rules...
-But to make it works it will take a lot of practice, about a week to get the dance perfectly right.
So Goku says there is no time for him to fuse with anyone because it's too long to master the dance, but it's ok to pass the basic knowledge to Piccolo.
EDIT: oh you actually tackled that, spoke too soon.
Great video! Vegeta will be missed (by other people probably)
The wishes used to be so balance but futher on they intruded new ones especially the super versions that grants anything.
To be honest. I really don’t care about the time it takes for Piccolo to learn the Fusion technique at all, since I always assume that he is a fighter prodigy so he might have been able to learn the technique in a short amount of time. And that it’s difficult for Trunks and Goten since they are new to this sort of thing.
But I’m really glad that you talked about the Dragon 2 to 3 wish thing that always confused me.