Ford Mustang Mach-E fails the Moose Test
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2021
- Ford's electric car (BEV) Mustang Mach-E has major problems in Teknikens Värld's avoidance maneuvre test, also known as ”the moose test”. It barely makes it in 68 km/h (42.3 mph). The competitors perform the test much better with speeds up to 75 km/h (46.6 mph).
You can read more about the failure, and how the three competitors perform, here:
teknikensvarld.se/nyheter/kon... - Авто та транспорт
It still loses control and hits crowds like a Mustang should, so I think it did just fine.
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😂😂😂 the disrespect
COTD!
I used to complain it was not a true Mustang, but now I can see the DNA is there. Okay…. I was wrong
LOL!!!
Staying true to its heritage, the Mach E is just as hungry for pedestrians as it's predecessors.
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hahah
Omg yes
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ua-cam.com/video/pWDzIfmHGKg/v-deo.html
This is not a failure, this is a Feature that comes standard with any Mustang.
ikr? 😂
ford engineer making the mach-e be like "lets just deprive the mustang from everything people loves about it and leave it only with the one thing that turned it into a meme on the internet, its crowd killing potential"
Auto Pedestrian Detection
I didn't know we were still in 2017 when this joke was actually funny and not overused.
@@BlueOvals24 I see your copy and paste button is often worn out…
"The rear end is really unstable" Sounds like a Mustang to me.
Marketing: "yeah, we made it this way, to keep with the heritage"
@@dustintravis8791 The same heritage like the Ford Pinto ;-)
@@simonm1447 didn't know the pinto beat up the European cars.
@@alexordonez6494 It was really one of the hottest models of the time, especially if someone crashed into it from behind ;-)
@@simonm1447 it probably destroyed all the European cars like the mustang does.
Living up to the Mustang name. Crashing all the time.
Crowd Killer™
it's an electric crossover, of course they had to give it *some* Mustang DNA
it's an electric crossover, of course they had to give it *some* Mustang DNA
I didn't know we were still in 2017 when this joke was actually funny and not overused.
@@BlueOvals24 It's still funny when Ford releases a new Mustang from Mexico that fails the elk test 😂
That Hyundai was clean af
Well yeah, the Ioniq 5 is basically a hatchback branded as an SUV, which it clearly is not.
That shit looked like it just switched lanes and realized he was in the wrong one 😂
@@harsimranbansal5355 Have you actually seen the size of it in person, it is just as much an SUV as a Y.
@@TheBrucifer It's shape is like a hatchback only.
@@TheBrucifer dimensions aside, an SUV should have more clearance than an Outback. Take a look at how close the bumper gets to the ground during the evasive maneuver. Like an inch. The Y probably maintains at least 5 inches at it's most compressed state.
Besides ride height, I definitely dig the i5.
Seeing the “Mustang” unable to negotiate the last turn and then careen off the track, and then continue on to careen off screen is absolutely hilarious.
Dang hyundai be stable af
looks like it is doing it in slow motion
Looks like it's doing jump style. Damn a bouncy ride
haha, the hyunday efortlessly doing it at the end
Hyundai topped out at 72 km/h with performance seen, Tesla at 83 km/t. So more safety margin in a Tesla.
@@curioussand1339 where is it stated that it topped out at 72km/h for this test?
Ionic 5 is such a great car ... Hyundai should try to mass produce it some day
The Koreans, probably make the best EVs on the market right now.
Or just produce it.
@@stockey
Yes, even the germans admit it in their own car magazines. The Ioniq 5 obliterated the VW ID.4 GTX, and according to the germans, the KIA EV6 might be the best full electric vehicle out there, all things considered. Not the Audi E-Tron or Taycan
@MachineGunIt But are they? What are the wait times to order one these days?...
Karma for Ford on naming this a “Mustang”
This is the only mustang bit of the car, oversteering and crashing. In those aspects a true mustang
i don’t think this is karma, this is right on point of being a mustang
This isn't karma, it's bad engineering
Omg Ioniq performed extremely well
@Aryan A 72 kmh vs 75 kmh, Ioniq was so stable there wouldn't be any change
@@mongolz1000 The cars are tested to the limit, that is the metric - presumably the the Hyundai has a critical point at the higher speed.
@Aryan A They have not released the full test, but they have confirmed that the maximum speed of the Ioniq was 72km/h.
Ioniq is horrible in higher speed roads. It starts Wobbling like crazy
They gave it the Mustang name plate and the anti crowd suspension as well.
I didn't know we were still in 2017 when this joke was actually funny and not overused.
This is likely a case of too much weight (especially in the rear of the car) and not enough tire. The Mach E uses stupidly narrow tires (225mm), which means it’s tires are only 10mm wider (less than half an inch) than the tires that come on my Chevy Bolt, yet it weighs as much as 1200 lbs more than my Bolt. The long range models need 245 width tires minimum, it’s simply overloading the stock width tires. You can see the stability control is already trying to mitigate the rear end rotation by locking up the front outer brake (causes the front end to push wide and allows the rear end to regain grip). This isn’t so much a software issue as it is just trying to make up for the poor efficiency with tires that are too small. The Model Y and Ioniq5 both weigh less and have wider tires (245 or 255 I believe) than the Mach E yet get better efficiency.
Good observation. My guess is Ford went with skinny tires, which lower drag, to improve range. It’s interesting to think that you can indirectly improve handling by making better batteries.
i3 was probably an extreme example of using skinny tires to salvage bad range.
Even more damning is the fact that the Mach-E actually carries a little less weight on its rear axle in an absolute sense, and significantly less in a proportional sense. The Ford Mach-E AWD ER distributes its 4838 lbs. 50/50, meaning 2419 lbs. on the rear axle on 225-width tires. The Tesla Model Y LR distributes its 4555 lbs. 46F/54R (aside: this is weight distribution of a MR ICE car, but probably not the polar moment), meaning 2460lbs on the rear axle on 255-width tires. If the Mach-E was shod anywhere near appropriately, it should be more stable than the Model Y. Yet even with anemic tires, the Ford Mach-E AWD ER achieves a combined efficiency of only 370 Wh/mi, compared to that of the Model Y's 276 Wh/mi (19" wheels) and 304 Wh/mi (21" wheels). Ford has some real catching-up to do in terms of energy efficiency before they can even begin to sacrifice any of it to equip the Mach-E with wider, vehicle-weight-appropriate tires.
The Driftstang doing it’s job xD
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coincidence since Saab has never failed a single moose test ;)
Nice one
@@KayoMichiels Saabs Moose Test, was going through the Moose xD
This is what happens when you spray the electric motors with soapy wooder
The way she goes boys....a Mustang doing what a Mustang should do. I like Ford for staying true to their models.
The way she fuckin goes
Those years of automotive experience really show on the ford /s
0:51 Kia & Hyundai: Simplicity, reliability, value for money !!! 👌🏆👍
Also noisy, bad seats, plastic feel and boring. I had two Kia´s. 7 year warranty sure was nice. But i would never buy one again. Volvo all the way, even with only 2 year warranty.
it's weird to think that Hyundai is gonna be a "cool" brand after electrification
@@sharkwaffle1582 yea, it´s not.
@@fredrikalfson1541 yeah you're probably right lol
@@sharkwaffle1582 An will probably manufacture the AppleCar- cooler than Tesla
The loose rear end is engineered into the AdvanceTrac in the Ford. They've said that actually that it "steps out" just like a real Mustang, but cuts power to reign it back in.
Well I can do that with my Tesla too . I can adjust how much I want the rear to stick out . Not everyone want to “step out” all the time , why didn’t Ford give people option to adjust ?
@@paulchiu8853 Not sure!
@@Gltokensp06 money and insurance. See what happened with Focus Drift mode
I guess it is also partly because the Mustang E has cheaper front suspension without double wishbone or mutilink. Model 3/Y has wishbone on top and 2 arms on the bottom + track rod.
It also looks like the drivers counter steered late in the mustang. Given it's a bigger car with less room for error that obviously creates a fail. Watch how far the front end shoots past the cones on the first turn left vs the Tesla.
is it macpherson strut?
@@mehdihani2932 Yes
Clearly my man isn’t familiar with how a Mustang handles..
Boggles the mind how such a major car company can forget about one of the most important, most respected automotive tests...
The Ionic 5 handling, just wow! 🤩
Yes, but at slower speed then Tesla, did you notice that?
@@DevonHensley211 is 75 vs 72 km/h that much of a difference in speed?
@@FieldTestedSemenKun yes. It is. The ford failed at 68km/h.
Notice how close the i5 gets to the ground when the suspension compresses? Almost scrapes the ground.
@@FieldTestedSemenKun It really is. We have not seen the full video yet, but its been confirmed that the Ioniq 5's maximum speed was 72km/h
Honestly the most surprising thing in the video is how Hyundai persistently outperforms more established auto makers.
Tesla is "more established" than Hyundai, lol what?
@@emregomecoglu perhaps I should've been more clear, in this case I was specifically referring to Hyundai outperforming Ford
@@digitalmop What about Tesla consistently outperforming hyundai?
@@lachlanB323 I guess I'm a much bigger believer in Tesla than the average person. Tbh I expect Tesla outperform the legacy automakers. That's just me though.
Check the WRC
Thanks for the test. You should upload more videos of this type.
Many thanks for all your time and videos😊👍 much appreciated
That Hyundai was more stable than my last relationship
Which mustang goes straight?!
Would be nice to see speed at beginning and end of cones
Seems to be that the model y just scrubbed speed to make it and so did the ford but would be nice to see more g forces and roll overlaid with speed
And yet the Michigan police department said is the best police car 🤣
I like the car made by Ford, but you have to keep in mind that all the government agencies of the state of Michigan are closely associated with Ford, GM and Chrysler (more precisely, the American division of Stellantis), as well as the Automobile Union (UAW).
they probably bought a ton of fords because they got a good deal/discount.
Is that a mach e RWD and a model y AWD?
drift mode enabled! I like it even more now
I have saw in another video...merc S class & lexus 500 failed in moose test ..so whats that mean.
How do the tires compare between each vehicle.
How high is the grip coefficient on your test course
What about the VW ID3 ?
I love your clips, and evaluations, can you please do the Mazda CX5 2019 and up, no one is talking about this car, thank you
To be fair it's the tires, the Premium is the luxury version of the Mach E. It has skinny 225/55/19 tires. The Tesla Model Y used in this test appears to be the optional 20" wheels 255/40/20 the Hyundai has 20" wheels is their performance version and has 255/45/20.
It should be able to perform the test regardless of which type of tires it has, since the tires are supplied from Ford.
Model Y’S tires were the 2k optional upgrade ones that come with 20” wheels, not performance wheels with wider tires. The standard 19” are also the same width, 255.
@@harsimranbansal5355 Thanks for making my point, Tesla has a $2000 factory option for 20" wheels allowing for more grip. Ford should do the same thing and the results would probably be about the same.
Could you do a video on the new Ford ranger V6. Or the twin of it the New VW Amarok V6
I'm actually rather curious about how older cars perform at the Moose Test, such as the 2010 Ford Crown Victoria Interceptor. Any takers?
That Crown Vic was a tank, with a brush (ram) guard. With a bored out short block = Police Interceptor. It didn’t have to do the moose test, the moose was a large, hairy cone.
The australian ford falcon from 2000 onwards gets through this test pretty well in our own testing at home. Even the wagon with its leaf sprung rear sails through. We werent swerving as far i dont think but it was on a real road sloped either side, not flat ground.
All our 80s hatch backs used to spin out. 81 datsun bluebird was pretty stable but nothing like a modern car.
@@mitchellkasdin1899 The Crown Vic is a steel behemoth, it will knock the moose down no question asked.
Problem is the moose, with its skinny legs and most of its weight (can exceed 1000 lbs) concentrated on the torso, will fall on top of the hood and crash through the windshield, where the squishy meatbags are.
I love Teknikens Värld clips. Can you test the Genesis GV60.
Hi Teknikarens varld.
Any plans on putting the Polestar 2 through the moose test? I have one myself and its always fun seeing how the cars measure up.
The Polestar 2 has been tested several times. 76 km/h (47.2 mph) and a verdict that reads "Fantastic balance and very nice performance that completely lacks skid tendencies".
@@teknikensvarld nice! Thank you for answering!
Is there a video somewhere of the testing?
...he was just looking for some innocent people on the side of the road :)
Is this the rwd mach e ?
You know, a lot of people say the Mach-E isn't a Mustang, but I think this really proves the Mach-E as a true successor to the Mustang.
might be intentional for burnouts?
Ford doesn't have a good track record with chassis damping. I remember autocrossing a Mustang 5.0L with the "track pack," and it was surprisingly softly sprung and WAY under damped. It was so bad in this regard that the car was easy to spin out if you weren't managing inertia all the time. I was amazed that even with a track oriented upgrade configuration, Ford still was vastly under controlled. Why do I bring this up? Well, this is somewhat of a common engineering problem at Ford. Many of their vehicles are dynamically...uh...weird. There's seldom a modern Ford that feels remotely ok to me. I race cars as a hobby in autocross and rallycross. I've been in everything from a Honda Civic to a Viper. I've modified my own vehicles for over a decade. Ford consistently has the goofiest suspension tuning of any brand I ever drive. The geometry, springs, and dampers all always feel off. It's kind of like the car's designed on paper and optimized against some computer metrics, and that's it, relying heavily on test numbers but not actual driving. I don't care if I'm driving a Focus, a F150, or an Edge, they're all weird cars. As of recent, maybe the Ranger has been the most normal thing I've ever driven of theirs, but that was also a FX4 with a little firmer of a setup than normal. I guess I could say I also liked the old Raptor too, although I only got to drive one pretty briefly.
I’m going to blame it on the fact that you didn’t do a Scandinavian flick.
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Would love to see the XC40 P8 putting to the test!
Already moose tested, made 75 km/h with very good behaviour, even better that the XC40 PHEV version.
teknikensvarld.se/test-provkorningar/test/volvo-xc40-recharge-p8-awd-mot-polestar-2-elbil/
What about Polestar 2?
I wonder if the Mach E-GT would do any better.
So much for the Mach e sales!
I love my Y but the Ioniq is impressive. Can't wait to see them on the road.
pause in the middle of 00:32 you wonder where the driver is turning???
either bias, or driver consistency problems.
from what i see, the car settles down quickly and speed decreases,
model Y fish tails through?
i would love to see the chevy bolt doing the moose test :)
Its almost like there is a crowd of people to the left of the camera. That Mach E bolted right for it, the Mustang is going to do Mustang things.
It needs wider rear tires but efficiency will goes down a little.
Oof, that’s unfortunate for the mach-e. You should try the Model 3 next! Would love to see how it compares to other cars in its class and how the standard range plus differs from the performance models.
The model 3 is already tested by 77km on youtube, just search for model 3 moose test.
Yup. Model 3 aced the moose test: ua-cam.com/video/XRCWBFSQsp4/v-deo.html (English subtitles available) - best result was 83 km/h
The Hyundai was like "no no, they're both bad"
Ionic 5 is amazing
What trim of the MME was used? Maybe AWD would behave differently than RWD. That Model Y was probably LR AWD. That could be a factor in this, also the difference in tire size.
It's the AWD Long Range. Everything in the link in the description.
Yes, the Mach-E tires are narrower than the model Y. Ford had to make this decision so that their car had a comparable range.
Mustang did not failed, it made what it should do - drift 😄
Also, hit people and lightposts
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It was looking for a crowd
They actually built it in.
FAIL?? no, that's the character of mustang.
Its purpose build in ...
Really easy to see
It drift but in control
A moose wont past trough the rear door anyway a front windsheild yes
Hyundai is amazing !!
Oh dear, in a real life situation you could be visiting the ditch or worse.
Please reply with your best mustang burns. After 1000k likes I’ll edit and post the best one
It lives up to its name. Just like everyone else here in the comments is saying. That's it!
Also, that Hyundai really did well.
Tjena! För ett ganska bra tag sedan gjorde ni ett raportage där ni skulle köra 1000 km med en Kewet elbil... Den bilen äger jag nu, den står här ute på gården. Håller på att fixa upp den lite så snart är den nog ute på vägarna!
Most manufacturers design their ESC systems with different assumptions than the rules of the moose test. For example, they assume this sort of maneuver is going to be done while braking, but the moose test is done under power. Most Porsches also perform poorly on the moose test.
This should have been called "Fairlane" from the start
Looks like someone doesn't know how to drive a real car and can only drive go karts
look at a serious test here: ua-cam.com/video/pWDzIfmHGKg/v-deo.html
It inherited the sports car characteristics.
Crowd control.
Perfect mustang as all things should be
Was the Mustang Mach-E running on the tallest, thinnest tires of the bunch?
Probably, but that's Fords fault, for jeopardizing safety for claiming longer range.
@@serran0669 Ford isn't even claiming longer range tho lol. Real world tests are higher than ford claims unlike Teslas
Model Y: That's really good
Mach-E: That's really bad
Ioniq: Don't mind me for making you both look like boats, just passing through.
Tesla is shown at 75 km/h, Hyundai at 72 km/h, so very difficult to compare without additional info.
Christine 1983 is that you??
Does it look Tesla has wider tires?
Didn't say anything about the tank slap recovery on the model y. Far more dangerous that the mach e oversteering. It's a mustang in the end.
I would love to see Polestar 2 test
Ok. When they take rear wheel drive to compare with awd. Congrat to tesla when having a fan making this :)))
@Aryan A oh really. So whats the point to make 2 models lol.
Where is Marek now? Ioniq 5 nailed the moose test 🙂
Any vehicle, can be made to look bad , if the intention, is to do so !!!
From the video it just looks like the driver stopped steering. Aren't you supposed to point the front wheels in the direction you want to go? This driver aimed for the ditch and went there.
this is proof that the mach-e is a real mustang
The first test 😁😁😁😂. Ma manz just checked out after the first curve.
Title: Ford Mustang Mach-E fails the Moose Test
Comments: Hyundai Ioniq 5 is stable af
The Hyundai looks cool. New model? Is it out?
Yes its a new model. Its called the ioniq 5
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Hope they sell it in America! Think they will since I saw Doug Demuro review it. Thanks.
I saw an even more shocking video where the Mach E could only muster 12.6 MPH in the Cars and Coffee bystander avoidance test.
So at only 4mph faster the others reach their limit? That's not a huge difference.
It is not just the speed, it is also how the ESC and the chassis is reacting or, as in the case with the Ford, how it is not reacting.
FIrst off, they actually designed the mustang to kick the rear out a little by putting a bigger motor in the back. But, when it went off course the last time, I cant help but notice the driver didnt even seem to make an effort to turn the wheel back to the left to even keep it ON the track.
If something with the mustang badge did anything but find the nearest crowd to crash into I would be very disappointed
Shocking!
Only 7kmph is not really a huge lead, In Us terms that's only an advantage of about 4mph... which is why it wasn't noted in writing for the Mustang.
Got to love the Ioniq 5
Do the Polestar 2
Mustang is well known for throwing itself into the pedestrians, so at least they kept that tradition alive.
Now I'm even more glad I got a volvo xc40 recharge instead of a mach e
The mustang hate is severe here.
and I laughed when they called this a mustang, but not since the new mustang has independent rear end. Ford needs someone to run into crowds.