I made a rookie mistake. Buying a vintage Omega from Ebay
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2020
- A short video about my latest acquisition, a vintage Omega Seamaster. A lovely watch, but perhaps I should have done more research and held off a little. Tell me what you think of this watch. Would you keep it, or are the problems a deal breaker?
I got some advice from someone on Instagram, someone who is more of an expert than me, and they confirmed my suspicions.
Find their Instagram using this link / omega_enthusiast
They also have a shop www.omegaenthusiastltd.com
The obvious thing that strikes me immediately is that the text has been printed back after they cleaned the dial as you mentioned. That is certain. That being said, it's not that awful, they did a pretty good job i think. The vintage charm is present, the movement is so beautiful and most of all things, this watch looks perfect on you (we have the same size of wrist i know). If you paid a little for this it's totally worth it ! Do not sell it ! keep it ! That definitely suits you. And it's an Omega after all ! Cheers bro, nice video.
Thanks! That’s really nice of you to say!
Watch looks super, it works and has Omega movement. I’d love to own it.
Depending on the price, this is perfectly fine! Congrats that’s a beautiful piece!
Yea movement is minty pink gold and looks great!
Those are slight imperfections and I wouldn't worry about them. The important thing is that the calibre of the movement is genuine and looks to be in perfect condition.
i too follow omega enthusiast here and on IG, its and absolute world of knowledge regarding these vintage Omega, there are so many combinations they did back then with case numbers, dials, colors, styles that its almost impossible to say if that dial belongs to that case number/cal...only a very knowledgeable person would be able to say that, i think...still its a beautiful watch, its a keeper!
Thank you for sharing. It’s educational to learn what to watch out for.
Glad you're enjoying it for what it is, too many watch snobs around who dis anything that isn't as it came out of the factory.
A lot of these old vintage Omegas are kinda like frankenwatches with miss match parts. But it's still a beautiful watch. I love this piece. It reminds me of my Omega 560 cal. Thanks
Thanks! Yes there are a lot of frankens out there. Think this is gen apart from the problems with the dial but would deffo be interested in a more complete example if one came up for a good price.
I think that the two really important aspects are: genuine and good condition calibre and low cost. If you want to restore dial and bezel you can do it later and imagine that you have had the opportunity of buying the watch in two terms! In the meanwhile, enjoy it !
Thanks!
Looks great! Don’t worry too much about it and enjoy it. Try some cape cod on the case to bring out the shine and maybe a distressed leather strap to set it off.
Thanks for the tip!
It's actually an excellent timepiece! It's beautiful, looks like a £180-£210 maybe little more tbh if you paid within that range I agree perfectly great buy!!
Yes I love it. You can’t expect a perfect watch if you compromise a little on price.
@@TimeandTalk Dude I've bought about 5 swiss movement time pieces from ebay including Swiss Emporer, Longines & now an Omega too and more than happy!! The fact they're 60 years old plus, look amazing and keep time, makes me feel like I'm wearing the past in the present. I believe you get a whole lot more from the classics, couple scrat here and there I can deal with from a watch from the 1960's that's giving you time in 2020. Enjoy fella
Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment.
I think this is a very beautiful watch. Have no regrets and enjoy it my friend!
Thanks for the kind words.
I love your watch. I came here because I am about to purchase this one.
Yes it’s a great piece. Love it!
I'm also a big fan of vintage Omega's from that period and your watch is lovely. I am a bit of a purist and I don't pull the trigger on a watch until I'm satisfied it's all original. If that means waiting for the right piece or saving up some more then so be it because ultimately the issues of non original parts or poor restoration will effect it's price. I have just bought a 1972 Omega Geneve 565 cal. One owner from new, never been through a dealer, all original including Omega hesalite crystal and movement looks brand new. But I have looked at hundreds of examples and waited for a good one to appear because there is always one out there waiting. It's all about the chase. Regards
Yes, I think you’re right. The chase is the most important thing in watch collecting 😉
The Seamaster text is indeed a bit odd but the whole watch looks nice.
I guess someone tried to fix a faded text.
The caliber is nice and clean.
My point: genuine ! Enjoy it.
I have vinage swiss with not that mark (swiss or swiss made) and they are 100% genuine.
I’ve seldom got a seamaster from 1961, the seamaster text looks exactly the same as mine and I was also concerned about this and the fact there is no Swiss made at the Six oclock . I have researched and read that there were some that didn’t have this and before the 1960s it was not uncommon .
So I am reassured to see the text is like mine .
Let me ask you something mate: The font of “automatic”, that your watche dont have it (but thats not the point), I realised that exist two types, one more like AUTOMATIC and other more like cursive. Wich one is the correct?
TheGamesnewsBR I’m by no means an expert in this I’m afraid. From what I can gather, on this watch ‘Seamaster’ looks like it may have been redone on this watch, particularly the s as it doesn’t look quite right, but is of the right style. This watch is manual wind so that is why it doesn’t have automatic ont the dial. In terms of fonts on dials of vintage omegas I would imagine you would find a great deal of variety over the years.
I have a Geneve without second markers all the way around. And it also doesn’t have Geneve printed either.
Great video. Enjoyed the outro music too.
beaudog59 trying to attract all of those bluegrass fans.
I honestly would prefer a fully original omega like this but depending on the price, I would overlook non original parts on it
no one wants a fake watch ⌚
tho interesting how...if u can live with some attributes being "off" a little...u end up saving a lot of money instead of breaking the bank for something "perfect" 🤔
In my opinion these redials are usually easy ish to spot since the original font is/ was perfect. The spacing, the letter size relative to each other, the clarity of the lines. Also reapplied writing can be to strong, look to fresh. ✌️
Yes true. I am always wary of ones that look too fresh like you say.
Nice watch if you like it. I don't know about thousands of pounds in 1963 for that watch. A Speedmaster was about $400 in 1975 and it has a more complicated movement. As long as you like it, but would you do it all over again?
No I mean in relative terms. In 1963 a GMT master was about 150 dollars!
Looking at the comparison photos at 1:40, can now see that the dial came from another watch, the name OMEGA and Seamaster 30 have been drawn on in another style of lettering, Seamaster stood out, in terms of value…
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@@TimeandTalk It’s a Franken watch, I have a few with me, in some ways it’s a good thing, in others - not, may increase the in this case, or loose value, it’s still worth hanging on to though.
Good deal...get rid of the dial and put in a nice silver one! People stating they got theirs £150/200, last time I checked on Ebay no Seamaster 30 could be purchased for that low!
Yea prices rising all the time.
Great video and review mate, despite not being all perfect those imperfections make it still beautiful. Can I ask what was the amount you paid for it? And if you don’t want to disclose it, what would be the amount that you recommend would be a fair price for this kind of pieces? I am looking for exactly the same kind of omega, mid century, classic. Many thanks in advance, Alfonso.
Hi. Thanks for the kind words. I can’t remember exactly, but around £200. At the time I remember that it was possible to get decent examples on eBay for 2-3, but obviously this is a risk. More for non bid examples. To give context, in the UK I saw pretty much the exact same watch (though I think 100% original) in a dealer for £895, so from a dealer that you can trust a little more you will pay significantly more. The 30 is not one of the most expensive, so if you want something more like a constellation you will pay even more. I think it’s a trade off between taking a punt on eBay for cheaper or going for a reputable dealer and paying more. I would be very happy if I got one for less than £500 if it was original but not sure how realistic this is. I think the price of £895 is not unfair a and this watch has made me want more of original piece, and when you consider you will pay at least £3000 for a modern Omega dress watch it seems like a bargain. I might make a video on this but I don’t want to claim to be an expert because I am not.
That's a great looking watch but I just thought I'd let you know that your watch is missing part of the bezel! If you hold the watch flat and at eye level you will notice that the top half of the case is missing (clearest if you look at the lugs which are too high compared to the top of the case). I saw someone else on Reddit who had the same issue and sent it off to omega to be repaired because there's a risk of the crystal popping off if hit at the wrong angle. I know this video is a year old so you may know this already and may never see this comment but if you don't then it's something to be careful about!
Oh good tip. Thanks!
i had that same movement in a seamaster .
Stunning watch!
Thanks! Yes it is nice, though not perfect.
Sometimes the swiss Made marking is missing in 50s omegas.
Yep. In this case though it had been rubbed off.
Sounds like it genuine but I think it's been refinished as who ever did it forgot to write in the Swiss Made! I just received 2 of my watches after getting them refined and the guy put Swiss instead of Swiss Made! Ah big mistake I'll never get a vintage refinished ever again I knew I was a bad idea but I took a chance on it and nahh never again lol other than my dials look ver shiny now .
That's a redial and poor job at that. However you can replace that dial with a better restored dial. You just have to hunt around for it. I picked up a 1950 Omega bumper (cal 351) for $100 that looked like it was sitting in dirt for years. It looks promising after I clean it up and service it. You have an Omega movement and that's a win in and of itself.
Yes i agrée. The movement seems to be in decent order too.
who gives a toss ! absolute beautiful watch
😂 yes I love it great piece!
I don’t think you made a mistake, it is a lovely watch👍
Ps, it reads at a +1 sec/ d ’ and beat error of 0.2 ms on the timegrapher after being oiled and adjusted I’m no longer concerned much .
It is still a nice watch!
That's still a fairly nice watch so if it was a good buy or not imo is more about what you paid. I'd personally pass on it though because the dial and the accuracy of the movement are generally the two things I prioritize most on these kinds of watches. Not having Swiss Made is pretty easy to spot ;) -- There is generally great value in these watches though assuming you get the right one. Many of them are keeping time horribly regardless of which caliber they have so those I don't consider those to be good values. Right now I'm wearing a Geneve that was +- 0 on the grapher, it's a cal 601.
Yes it was sloppy of me not to study the dial more closely before I pulled the trigger. Excitement I guess! Apparently though some have the Swiss made under the chapter ring, so it can’t be seen but I still missed the lack of markers! In the grand scheme of things though I’m happy, as the outlay wasn’t that great, especially relative to some of my other watches 😂
My 601 calibre Seamaster also keeps to within +1 second and I was also concerned it didn’t have Swiss Made at the six position . My Seamaster style text is actually the same as the you tubers and I was also concerned about this until I saw his dial . I’ve read that prior to the late 50s and 1960s it wasn’t unheard of for Swiss made to be missing on some dials , it was uncommon but didn’t necessarily mean it wasn’t a true dial . I also thought that if I were someone trying to pass off a watch as an Omega I wouldn’t be so sloppy as to miss out such an obvious thing thst might raise concern in a potential buyer .so the fact it is missing is not so worrying. It’s nice to have it though all the same ..
I had not considered the Swiss Made might be hidden away under ring , I’ll be sure to make sure it’s there next time it’s serviced ! @@TimeandTalk
You can buy from eBay just know what to look for I’ve purchased all my watches on eBay, ask for pictures of movement, box and papers, ect
Yea tbf I have a fair bit of knowledge but was a little bit trigger happy with the ‘buy’ button before I fully checked it!
So, ok if it was cheap but the dial looks poor and really it's the dial that matters to me, btw serials starting 21xxxx is 1964. Value, not a lot, I've just bought a mint double box and papers 1970 Omega Geneve for £300.
B Simpson completely agree. Amazing price for yours though! We live and learn I guess.
I'm thinking of buying a Polerouter that looks like it's been redialed and a Girard Perregaux HF that has the wrong hands. I don't really care as I'm not into the hobby for correctness. DId you end up keeping it?
No, I sold it in the end. Yes, it depends what you are looking for and why you want it. For me, it bothered me too much in this case, and I always felt because it wasn’t correct it wasn’t what it was claiming to be. I’m glad I owned it though as it taught me something, and I will almost certainly buy another vintage Omega at some point. You should go for it. I love the Polerouter in particular.
Hey buddy... with all that’s said I like it... it looks like whatever has been done was a while ago, and over the years especially at this age expect some oddities... I’m guessing you paid around £200 the absolute tops, but in my view £150 would be ok... movement looks lovely and clean with not pitting on the gears.
Maybe use this to experiment with and look for a fresher dial with hands?
I don’t think you’ve done bad, and it’s not fake... that’s the beauty of vintage watches of this period, they’ve lived through many hands and along the way it has picked up some uniqueness. You sound unsure in your voice, but think it’s now made you look at other OMEGA models wondering if spending more gets closer to your perfect vintage 🙃 Cheers for sharing 👍🏼
Yes that's exactly what I have got from it. I wasn't at the point where I wanted to drop significant cash on a vintage piece, but I am now more open to this provided I can be sure that it is original.This kind of watch is good for me as I have a girl's wrist, so the vintage pieces suit me. Like you said what I think (and hope to be fair) is that the markers have kind of just rubbed off over the years. I have seen examples that this has happened to.
Hope you are well.
@@TimeandTalk I have many vintage pieces that have blemishes on the dial and discolouring but it just makes it more genuine to the period... just need to break in that leather and get some ageing on that... I'm guessing it's acrylic and still original?
Think you now need to enjoying it for what it is, and maybe you'll refresh it with new hands, or just get them re-lumed.
Doing ok down in Buckinghamshire... just odd seeing everything closed down in our village... having a full house makes it not so easy to film because, usually do it during the week when everyone is either at school or work... but will work on my new videos when they're napping in the day LML :-P
WatchUP69 Mr Rangeman yes same here. I’m a teacher so trying to engage with my classes whilst my two year old is running about! I’m looking forward to after when our collection is worth like 10p.
@@TimeandTalk 10p LML :-P that was funny!
Interesting watch shame old watches are a bloody minefield . I’ve no problem with watches having a back story it gives the watch more charm
Tell me about it. Yes I really like it. You can never really know and we live and learn!
After wearing it for some time, does it bother you now knowing? Or are you pretty much ok with it?
Steve Dan I would say I bothers me a little, but to be honest every one of my watches probably has something not ‘perfect’. I would love a completely original one by would need to pay a premium!
I have come across a seamster watch and like like to know If it's real, can you help?
Probably not TBH. I am not an expert it vintage. There are clues and some obvious fakes, but I am more of an enthusiast than anything else. Feel free to send me a pic to my email which is on my account and I can look at it, but vintage really is quite difficult to verify. It’s less about whether it is real and more is it original.
Looking at these on eBay mate and they're about £700 quid. Did you pay similar? Cheers!
No much cheaper than that. I would expect something much more original than this for 700, especially from eBay. You could probably go to a reputable dealer and get something relatively original for a little more. No more like 200 I paid.
a dead give away is the writing of Seamaster is spelt Seanaster. i would of thought you could see that in the Ebay pics.
perfect size .
It’s a very nice watch
Apart from the whole print, The font on the S doesn't look right, the bottom loop is more straight than round on originals, I have 4 men's Seamasters over probably 15 years range and none of them look like that, nice that you got the crown though. I don;t think any of mine still has their originals
Yes, the crown is good to have original.
how to spot the fake Im buying one from the internet it get the Swiss made at the bottom but their is no graving at the back... pls how to spot
It’s difficult. I am no expert I’m afraid. More than likely it won’t be fake but it may be repainted dial, etc.
@@TimeandTalk thanks
@@blueseugene6569 absolutely no problem. Sub if you like content 😀
I have an Omega Geneve Calibre 613 that I purchased new in 1971 for £28. There was no engraving on the back, just the slots around the rim for unscrewing the back. ( Models for the American market I think had plain backs but were only produced with gold plating). I understand that Omega started putting serial numbers inside some time in the 1960s. If the photos show the interior there should be a serial number there that can be checked against Omega's database. Sorry I am not an expert but I hope this helps. Incidentally, the 1971 Geneve is still going strong!
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Typo. “ I also have got a Seamaster from 1961 “ not seldom ! The lack of the Swiss Made is rare but not unheard of .there are also several Seamaster texts styles and yours and mine appear to perhaps be less common again than others. The calibre movement in the 1961 watch is a 600 calibre . I own three Seamasters , a basic no date which is the 600 calibre, a Seamaster deVille date in gold 563 , a steel Seamaster de Ville with linen dial 552. Everyone has a different style Seamaster style of writing .
I got lucky - that's a runner. Some didn't have such luck...
I’ve inherited a similar vintage Omega that needs servicing. Any suggestions out there?
Jon Anderson hi Jon. To be honest I’ve yet to ever send a vintage watch in for service. Any watchmaker or jeweller really would be ok, and this would keep costs down a little. You can send them into omega, but I imagine this would be expensive, so would depend on the model and how much work it would need doing whether it would be worth it.
I love vintage Omegas. They are great watches.
Time and Talk Time and Talk it has high sentimental value (my dad bought it when I was born), so I’m pretty willing to pay dearly to restore it. Thank you for your prompt and heartfelt reply.
@@jonabitstream That's lovely that you have your dad's watch. In that case I would just ensure that you gave the watchmaker (or Omega) clear instructions. Restore for some could mean make it look new, for others it may mean keep the original dial, despite any damage or age marks. Ensure that you are clear, as this is such a valuable piece for you.
Time and Talk thanks. Yes, I’m surprised at how emotional even this thread is making me about the watch. Your kind words make it even more special. I hope to restore it to full functionality but won’t need it to look like new (perhaps just a new crystal or a nice polish to the old one). This experience has me contemplating becoming an Omega fanatic.
Whatever you do dont take it to a Timpsons, they wanted more than £100 than Omega themselves quoted me
How much did you pay for it approximately?
I can’t remember now to be honest. A few hundred pounds I think.
Personally I think the fact is not perfect is not such a problem, it usually means it sells for a price I can afford, and does not detract from my enjoyment of owning such a time piece.
Yes fair point.
I bought an Omega Deville 30 mm $165 Good Buy?...
quite subjective, but if you like it and it is in decent shape why not. 30mm is quite small, so if you were to resell this may reduce the potentially interested, but it’s all about whether you like it. Think the fact that you can buy a quality watch from a great manufacturer for 165 dollars is awesome!
It is a vintage you gotta understand they can’t be perfect. But personally I would want every text that is supposed to be there because I don’t want other people to point it out lol.
Yes that is true, but I wasn’t happy with the level of imperfection in this. My own fault for not doing due diligence 😂
You actually did ok depending on the price. These 60’s watches have mostly been refurbished over the years to keep them running. Enjoy it for what it is. Mick.
Yes I agree, though I still am a little torn. Perhaps I will try and get a more original one but I do expect to pay a lot more.
Who needs perfect that's a cool watch....
Yes I agree perfection is overrated and unattainable.
the text literally says "seanaster" 😂 but still a nice watch, thank you for the video:)
Yes it’s nice. As if it were made for me 😂
Considering the condition, I would definitely only buy this for parts, and for a total of £80 or less. I say £80, while others may say more but this price is based on my own experiences purchasing many of these 30mm movements for £60 or less. I also like to save a quid or two, haha.
At the end of the day, though, what matters most is that you're happy with your purchase! Enjoy!
Fair play. I wish I’d have got it for 80 but no 😂 My motto is why pay a fiver when I can pay £20. To be fair though, the dial is not perfect but the watch itself and the movement is reasonably accurate, and I have no expertise in terms of repairs. In retrospect I probably wouldn’t have bought this, but I’m glad I did as it reawakened my love for vintage. Thanks for watching.
That is never an £80 watch?? No verified Omega in that condition from 1960 is going for less that £200 at bidding? If i paid £200 for that I'd be grinning like a chesire cat, not only will it hold its value if well kept, if kept for another 20 years in good nic its value will tripple without doubt.
Hey man it's hard getting the perfect watch! And perfect watches cost bank! Be happy with what you have it's still an Omega! Shit my first was my Dad's old Gold Omega when I was like 13 and a childhood friend stolled back then so I no longer have! Anyways I decided to get another Omega and bought a beat up cracked glass the crown barely moved so I couldn't wind it but it had a 565 calibre and 24 jewels so I took it in to get that bD boy fixed it's going to cost me $475 to fix plus the 300 that I payed to buy but you know what you learn from your mistakes I know I did next I'll look for something with a more perfect look and calibre at a cheaper price! That Seamaster is going to cost me more than it is worth lol good luck!
"SeaNaster"?
The seconds hand is too short
Yes. I could live with that but there were a few other things off with this watch.
poor redail...
Its still an Omega. Looks great. You didnt pay crazy money. Maybe if you were a purist these things might bother you.
Im looking to get a vintage Omega soon too because ill never pay thousands for a watch.
Yes it’s great the value you can get with a vintage piece.
Actually it's a 1964 according to the serial number!
Cool. Thanks for the info!
Man, it's written "SeaNaster, not Seamaster"
The letters "S" & "M" are not correct. The letter "M" looks like an "N" on this watch. But, if you are happy with this watch, who cares.
Yes the lettering does look a little off. Yes I am happy with it, but i will probably try and find a more original one at some point.
Whoops which is why I stay away from vintage. Even though I’m ‘vintage’ myself (that watch was made 3 years after I was born!), I still don’t like older watches plus you have all the worries of maintenance too. I inherited a Rolex and an Omega but wear neither as one is 30mm and the other is 35 which still looks like a kids watch on me. 38mm is the smallest in the collection but who knows a may one day wear the Omega at 35 but the 30mm is gifted to my wife. Gimme new or much newer every time!
I see what you mean. However the maintenance would be the same with a new watch, and it would still need to be serviced etc, though maybe not as much. Not too bothered to be honest, as its a lovely watch, but deffo going to buy a more original one next time. The size is perfect for me for dress wear, but I have a girl's wrist!
I think I agree with your for casual wear (I don't know what possesses people who pay 50 grand for a vintage Rolex not knowing whether it has been adulterated over the years) but for a dress watch you can't beat a mid century Omega or another Swiss brand.
If you like it , it doesnt matter , and if you didnt pay a silly price . That said ,the person who sold it probably new of the issues and didnt state them . So, dishonest seller .
Agree 100%
Your watch is original. Dial sufered a littlebit. Only your sec. hand is not original on this watch!
Instantly have hatred for people that tut when they speak at the beginning of every sentence. 🔔 end
looks like a India knock off
Gloves ? Your at home ? It's your watch ? Jesus X christ .
Looks like a fake vintage, so sorry you got caught ! I have a real one,if you like,on a black leather strap !??
Vintage watches are like 98% original....new pieces not so👎
I'm Rookie to 😵 Don't buy from eBay !
Most fake vintage omega are from Korea. Steer away from them, you will be OK.