That full spread of Galaxy photons is so strong it's ridiculous. If the AI actually used it that battle as the Intrepid against the Galaxy might have gone a bit differently.
"That's a Galaxy class starship. We are no match for them." - Be'tor, just before they cheated. I love how they've remembered to use ALL of the phaser arrays that are located all over the ships, including the nacelle mounted ones :D
You know, its nice to see how much your channel has grown over the past few years. I remember when I was one of the 10 or 20 comments on your videos. Now look at ya. Good job man. Happy for ya.
5:40 What they should've planned to do was convert Dreadnought into an escort ship for Voyager and started a little support fleet. It was able to be completely autonomous, so it wouldn't have even needed a dedicated crew.
That's why Quark charges so much for quantum torpedoes. 😀 I wonder where he gets them. The human factor won. The AI just didn't use the Intrepid's maneuverability to its full extent.
As it is often said, a Starship is only as good as it's captain. Now personally I'd love to see a cannon story where Sisko, Picard (in the TNG era) and Janeway had to team up and utilize their signature ships, the Enterprise D, Voyager and the Defiant.
Always found that if you want to wipe the floor with your opponent when your in an Intrepid - just park yourself above them. It can fire something like 5 peew peews at once from under the ship and recharge quickly, that would more than likely pummel the Galaxys shields in a couple of reloads while the intrepid's shields can tank the fire back long enough... assuming your not parked right in front of the torpedoes that is.
In Dreadnought also, Janeway remarks that Voyager was fitted with Tyxe VI torpedoes - so I am guessing theyre the more powerful being used by the more modern ships in Starfleet at the time also
@@jasonwestwood7092they used them sparingly in the show as it would be a long while before their next resupply... I remember when Voyager first aired, all the hype and tech talk: Organic warp core, 150 crew, much more efficient computer core/shields/nearly twice the rate of fire... the intrepid class is essentially a militarized Galaxy class..
I actually was thinking about that same exact episode (VOY: Dreadnought) with that same exact thought on Monday this week. I was thinking that Voyager would have been able to take the ship and then land on a planet and begin modifiying Voyager with all the weapon array from the dreadnought and put them on voyager (Q-Torpedoes, phasers, etc.). This refit would go on for 2 or 3 episodes, at which point they would get attacked. The AI on the ship would join the voyager crew as well.
That ship may say USS Voyager, but it isn't Voyager. It has none of the upgrades that Voyager got over its journey (and not just armor and transphasics, but shields that would be almost double the strength of a stock Intrepid, enhanced weapons from the time that they had One on board, maybe that cannon Janeway bought from that gun runner than one time, etc.). Until someone makes a version that does, I don't think you should really be putting "vs Voyager" in your titles.
This is the Voyager that came outta Earth Station McKinley in 2371, base Intrepid-class, so yes it _is_ Voyager, just not the one we got after 7 years in the Delta Quadrant
i heard that was a complaint of the writing crew, and why BattleStar Galactica kept that feature. the compromise with voyager was keeping internal changes. :( the story would have been much more compelling if they actually bugeted their supplies.
@@kylekataryn3454I agree or had to barter and use whatever they could salvage or in some cases steal, yeah I could see a revamp of the story being a lot more interesting from a survival point
This may be a bit much to do. But a how about a battle like what the Defiant Class was meant to do when it was designed. A fleet of 30 of them against a single Borg Cube.
I am surprised that Voyager's phaser yield was basically equal to the Generations-era Galaxy. That would partially explain how they were able to fend off attacks from seemingly stronger ships in the Delta Quadrant.
Can there be a battle of this Enterprise D without shields vs an old Brid of prey, just like in the movie. I wonder if simply firing torpedoes should have been enough to destroy it without having to trigger to cloak. Has this ben done before?
Always annoys me when people think Voyager because it's a more advanced design would have no trouble destroying the Enterprise D. This is how I'd expect the battle to go down.
It was small compared to some of the mid-late 24th century starfleet designs. The galaxy and nebula classes in particular are almost unbelievably vast.
I don't know anything about this program that you used. Is Voyager operating with the specs it originally had prior to being abducted by the Caregiver? Or is this with the various enhancements that it received during it's time in the Delta Quadrant including the added modifications from 7 of 9 and various upgrades it had throughout its journey? If the Voyager in this video had the upgrades than I think it's not exactly fair, I would prefer to have this Voyager be using only stock federation technology that it was originally built with.
For the same power, you would expect a smaller ship to have stronger shields. The bigger the ship, the more energy you would spend. The strength of a ships shields would be something like 1/4πr^2. That is assuming the ship has the shape of a perfectly spherical cow.
False assumption- you're assuming they have the same power source. It's not likely that a 4.5 megaton ship would not have a far larger engine output than a 700 k ton ship . Enterprises engine core several times the size of voyagers
@@markmullins8622, The growth in power required is not linear it is exponential. The Enterprise might take hundreds of times more power for the same level of protection.
@s.patrickmarino7289 a. Please don't presume to lecture me. B. You're missing the point. The galaxy class Has a far larger and more powerful warp core. It has power to burn.
@@markmullins8622, Just do the math. If the Enterprise is twice the size, it would take eight times the power, just to have the same level of shields. If the Enterprise was three times the size, it would take 36 times the power, just to have the same shields. If the Enterprise is eight times larger, it takes 64 times the power, just to have the same shields.
Supposedly the Enterprise D was continuously upgraded over the years. This version has similar torpedoes to the ones we saw on screen in Star Trek Generations. I believe the torpedoes are more powerful/shields and phasers 🖖
If I recall the bit about modifying the quantum torpedo's from the Dreadnought, that was probably only needed because they were Cardassian in origin rather than Starfleet tech. Which might go to show just how similar their levels of technology were.
Does this game have tricobalt devices? We know Voyager carried at least a handful of them, and they were substantially more powerful than standard photon torpedoes. Also, does the upgraded Voyager from the series finale (with the transphasic torpedoes and hull armor) exist in this game? If so, I wonder how that version of Voyager might fair against a Galaxy-class, or even a Sovereign-class.
Indeed it does. They are powerful, but most effective when the shields on the enemy ship have failed. They still cause a lot of shield damage. Yes, the Armoured Voyager does exist in Bridge Commander remastered and is very accurate. It would almost one shot a Galaxy and Sovereign Class. The Armour would be able to withstand even Quantum Torpedoes. They would take some slight damage to the armour, but nothing major. It could handle around 4 Borg Cubes I reckon 🖖
What about the Voyager after it received it’s upgrades in the very last Voyager episode? Against the Voyager with those armor upgrades and Trans-phasic torpedoes, I don’t think any ship would fare too well. Just 1 or 2 of those torpedoes can destroy an entire Borg cube. I wonder why we don’t see any of those torpedoes in Star Trek Picard?
It seems that the full spread just overwhelms the structural integrity field....I think that's why the hull dropped so much on the refit even with the shields still holding
Where do these requests come from? 3:13 It's not like we ever got to see a Galaxy-class firing 10 torpedoes at once back in the old days. To do so is the equivalent of dropping 10 nuclear bombs on a single target.
There’s no way Voyager’s phasers should be as powerful as the Galaxy class - the emitters in the strip all add up to one beam - the Galaxy has 200 in each of the big saucer arrays. Voyager’s don’t even go all the way around its smaller saucer. But phasers don’t matter much in this game anyway.
It doesn't work like that. You'll note that when Starfleet built it's Borg fleet post wolf 359, it built much smaller ships with much smaller phaser strips, and yet they are very powerful - and more effective against the Borg than the huge Galaxy class ships. Clearly the size of phaser arrays isn't what matters. Look how powerful the Defiant phasers are. In fact the weakness of the Galaxy class is that because it's main phasers are so huge, they require huge power to fully charge, which then soon depletes the ship's energy reserves. In the Yesterdays Enterprise battle note how as soon as the Enterprise fires all phasers full blast, she then suffers badly and loses quickly - because she expended so much power in those few fast firing phaser volleys. It's better to have smaller arrays which are more efficient, which you can keep on firing at a fast rate.
My info is from the TNG Technical Manual by Sternbach and Okuda. Also, starships don't have "energy reserves" or anything battery-like that supply main systems. They have reactors - fusion and matter/antimatter warp core. Power is continuous. They also built Sovereigns post Wolf 359 with similar sized phaser arrays that likely had more power per each segment.
@@ChristopherBergs-kt8hb This is not correct. Look at the deck schematics for Voyager and you'll see a lot of internal battery storgae cells. And you've still answered the points I made in my previous comment.
How about trying to equip the USS Voyager with ablative armor I mean the borg couldn’t touch voyager in the episode end game let see who’s gonna win the Galaxy or Voyager.
I don't know if it is true but I read a couple years ago that the galaxy class was considered a dreadnought so if that's true I'm not surprised by how powerful it is
It could potentially have been one if utilized properly. Dominion War refits were monstrous beasts, though I don't know enough about them to know if they could genuinely be classified as dreadnoughts. The Reman Scimitar is what comes to mind when I hear the word dreadnought, and that would likely have made mincemeat of a single Galaxy Refit. The Confederation World Razer probably WOULD be considered a real dreadnought, however, as I recall it being seemingly capable of destroying multiple Borg cubes on its own. Considering the Confederation annihilated the entire Collective, it seems more than plausible.
The intrepids smaller hull means its shields are more efficient. Its far more maneuverable and the computer systems use those bio-gel packs which make it much more responsive...
Terms of Power, Galaxy class wins. Galaxy class armed BURST fire torpedo launcher, meaning it can fire a consecutive spread of 5-6 rounds consecutively before reload. Another aspect is Voyager is More agile, and has better processing.
Something about the Enterprises Photons is off... Their shield penetration rate seems too high. Never experienced that shield pen myself with any Photon Torpedoes. It is probably not changing the outcome of the battle, but that's kina weird.
@@xDownSetxthis is the correct answer right here. Every ship in this game has its full armaments with it. So seems silly that voyager wouldn’t but as I suspect it’s probably just because people forgot
Yeah the phasers on an intrepid are the same type 10’s that are on the galaxy with the exception of the venture class of the galaxy, which is the dominion war refit that version of the galaxy has the same heavy regenerative shield that the sovereign does as well as an upgraded warp core and uses six type 12 phasers and eight type 11 as well as abladive hull armor and it can also fire Quantum torpedoes
Just to correct: the Galaxy class can only fire 5 photon torpedoes in one spread from one launcher at once. Ten in total: if fired from the fore and aft launcher, but realistically in battle you would only fire from the launcher facing the target, so 5 photons maximum.
Seems to say Dauntless on the Galaxy class soooooo I’m fairly certain it’s not the Enterprise-D. But then I saw the battle and it was right. End of day it’s ridiculous to think the voyager or rather an intrepid class would stand any chance against a Galaxy class.
They may have the same number of arrays but the Galaxy has way more individual emitters and hence more POWER! I think the Galaxy should be able to shred an Intrepid with her phasers only.
VOYAGER HAD 14 TYPE X Phaser arrays the D 12 but the Intrepid class had new improved dilithium crystals which regulate high energy plasma at higher capacity allowing for a 24% increase in Phaser yields and F type recharges which change and recharge the arrays 20% faster.
Voyager actually has two warp cores, it's in the plans and on the engineering display on the bridge in the show. Only one was only ever used on the show, the writers ignored the existence of the second warp core. If you're going to give the warp cores on the Intrwpid and Galaxy equal output for a single warp core, the Intrepid would actually have double the output.
The reason why Voyager took so much damage while it shields were still up is because if the damage goes through the exact same Shield Ark at one time, you have to remember basic mathematics: if you have about 380 points of damage coming at you, and they all go through the same shield ark, and maybe that Shield are only repels 30 points of damage, then your ship has absorbed 350 points of damage. This is why the shields on Voyager were sitting at maybe 75%, but that's why you were taking 25% off of the hull Integrity each time you fired 10 Photon torpedoes in a spread.
Voyager had 15 decks. Enterprise D had 42. Voyager was much closer to the size of the original Enterprise (TOS 1701). It's half the width, height, and depth of a Galaxy class vessel. So, in terms of internal volume, Enterprise D had 8 times the internal volume of the original Enterprise (and Voyager). That's why our comments regarding maneuverability are so germane. It had substantially much less mass and could move a lot faster and more responsively (bioneural gel packs also, hello). This simulation is by no means an accurate representation despite the nice graphics. I'm not mad at the attempt to compare them, but it is precisely that: an attempt.
Frankly, a dominion war refit galaxy-class vs an intrepid class shouldn't really be a long match at all. The former is a fully blown battleship (Federation calls it an explorer) while the later is kinda of a light cruiser.
It's too bad you couldn't do PvP. I suppose a more fair test would be 2 AI vs each other, since you can't. The Enterprise under AI control did nothing to prevent you from continuously hammering its forward arc.
Dreadnought being armed with quantum torpedoes never made sense to me. It would mean that either the Cardassians stole the tech from starfleet or they developed the tech concurrently at about the same time as starfleet did. The Cardassians never equipped those torpedoes on their regular ships. Something interesting about the cardassians is they're capable of building powerful and highly effective automated weapons, Dreadnought/orbital weapon platforms, but their ships are nowhere near as capable. It's almost like these things were made by different factions within their union.
Yes the human factor came in more, but Voyager was more advanced than the Ent D.. but in the show, gosh, everyone they came across, and fired on, damage like crazy but , a day passes and all is fixed.. hmm.. love the battle🖖*sorry too much going on and I am not well sorry.
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thanks again, sorry to put that.. the woman neighbour is making my life a living hell and enough , I went to the police talked to not her friend and he did not want to he a thing... I am gay, but she is even running to the houses around my building saying worst... can't say it here.. but I am burnt and emotionally gone.. sorry again and Yes Voyager repairs fast.. gosh.. That is one well many questions I have about the show lol.. 😊🖖
I feel like people where asking for the voyager that came home from the Delta quadrant and not the factory.... That is the fight people are looking for not this one. See they are asking for Voyager not a basic Intrepid class ship. They specifically said USS Voyager not Intrepid class.
@@Ziplock9000 No that ship only existed in a alternate time line. What I am talking about existed with in the mail time line so totally different situation and why that is the voyager we want to see in these!
I would have liked to see if just plain photon armed Voyager had a chance over the Galaxy with your guidance. Quantum Voyager almost cruised to victory.
Okay was the enterprise D set permanently at low power mode for its phasers and weapon systems during TNG and its first and only movie, as what the hell lol as the phasers and torpedos seemed drastically weaker than the TMP enterprise, here its like HOLY CRAP lol
That full spread of Galaxy photons is so strong it's ridiculous. If the AI actually used it that battle as the Intrepid against the Galaxy might have gone a bit differently.
You can't cover that spread 😄
The spread was supposed to cover a wide angle, so that some torpedos hit. here all hit despite being launched in several directions.
The AI was written for the base game, where no ship had more than 4 torpedoes, I think. It's too bad the mods weren't really able to upgrade that.
'Captain, suggest we raise shields.'
'Not yet, Mr Worf'
"Captain recommend we raise shields"*
Mr Worf let’s just give them a tap on the shoulder…. Fire a single volley of torpedoes full spread to get there attention…..💀💀
You forgot to mention Voyager's ability to produce unlimited supplies of torpedos and shuttles out of thin air...
🤣🤣🤣 A definite advantage 🖖
nah that was tuvok pulling them out of his arse and loading them into the launcher lol
Ans the galaxy
Lol
Guess replicators could be used to create such things
"That's a Galaxy class starship. We are no match for them." - Be'tor, just before they cheated.
I love how they've remembered to use ALL of the phaser arrays that are located all over the ships, including the nacelle mounted ones :D
6:35 Now do another one with a photon Intrepid and see if the human factor can make up the difference.
You know, its nice to see how much your channel has grown over the past few years. I remember when I was one of the 10 or 20 comments on your videos. Now look at ya. Good job man. Happy for ya.
@tinynuggins1029 thanks buddy, that means a lot. Cheers for sticking with me 🖖
Impressive, how the Enterprise D handles quantum torpedoes! Especially, since it was built before quantum torpedoes existed 🖖
5:40 What they should've planned to do was convert Dreadnought into an escort ship for Voyager and started a little support fleet. It was able to be completely autonomous, so it wouldn't have even needed a dedicated crew.
That would have been cool.
That's why Quark charges so much for quantum torpedoes. 😀
I wonder where he gets them.
The human factor won. The AI just didn't use the Intrepid's maneuverability to its full extent.
A smuggler or, cheap knockoffs that aren't quite as almost as powerful but not quite.
Yeah the AI was in casual mode for both fights… literally was asleep during both fights 😂
As it is often said, a Starship is only as good as it's captain. Now personally I'd love to see a cannon story where Sisko, Picard (in the TNG era) and Janeway had to team up and utilize their signature ships, the Enterprise D, Voyager and the Defiant.
Always found that if you want to wipe the floor with your opponent when your in an Intrepid - just park yourself above them. It can fire something like 5 peew peews at once from under the ship and recharge quickly, that would more than likely pummel the Galaxys shields in a couple of reloads while the intrepid's shields can tank the fire back long enough... assuming your not parked right in front of the torpedoes that is.
In Dreadnought also, Janeway remarks that Voyager was fitted with Tyxe VI torpedoes - so I am guessing theyre the more powerful being used by the more modern ships in Starfleet at the time also
Type 6 Photon torpedo warheads had a 24KG reactants capacity enough for a 200 instone yield per warhead 8x a standard Photon torpedoe.
@@jasonwestwood7092they used them sparingly in the show as it would be a long while before their next resupply...
I remember when Voyager first aired, all the hype and tech talk: Organic warp core, 150 crew, much more efficient computer core/shields/nearly twice the rate of fire... the intrepid class is essentially a militarized Galaxy class..
I actually was thinking about that same exact episode (VOY: Dreadnought) with that same exact thought on Monday this week. I was thinking that Voyager would have been able to take the ship and then land on a planet and begin modifiying Voyager with all the weapon array from the dreadnought and put them on voyager (Q-Torpedoes, phasers, etc.). This refit would go on for 2 or 3 episodes, at which point they would get attacked. The AI on the ship would join the voyager crew as well.
Couple that with the Isokinetic Cannon and Voyager would have been absolutely terrifying.
I thought that in the at least episode Janeway specified that Voyager had a new more powerful phaser array and a different type of photon torpedo....
That ship may say USS Voyager, but it isn't Voyager. It has none of the upgrades that Voyager got over its journey (and not just armor and transphasics, but shields that would be almost double the strength of a stock Intrepid, enhanced weapons from the time that they had One on board, maybe that cannon Janeway bought from that gun runner than one time, etc.). Until someone makes a version that does, I don't think you should really be putting "vs Voyager" in your titles.
This is the Voyager that came outta Earth Station McKinley in 2371, base Intrepid-class, so yes it _is_ Voyager, just not the one we got after 7 years in the Delta Quadrant
Tech of the week doesn't count. Or the Ent D will get some goodies too.
@@tomastomasi975Yeah Voyager wouldn't like fighting an invisible intangible Enterprise, that deploys Echo Pappa drones.😮
Don't worry retro.
Voyagers repair team is so great all that damage would be repaired in the next episode 😊
🤣🤣🤣
@@RetroBadgerGaming
Retro, voyager must have sone crew members who are descendents of the Amish. It is only logical 🤣
i heard that was a complaint of the writing crew, and why BattleStar Galactica kept that feature. the compromise with voyager was keeping internal changes. :(
the story would have been much more compelling if they actually bugeted their supplies.
@@kylekataryn3454I agree or had to barter and use whatever they could salvage or in some cases steal, yeah I could see a revamp of the story being a lot more interesting from a survival point
This may be a bit much to do. But a how about a battle like what the Defiant Class was meant to do when it was designed. A fleet of 30 of them against a single Borg Cube.
2:14 that's because Mr Worf was messing about with the ship parameters on the holodeck
I love watching these videos and answering lots of what if matches
I am surprised that Voyager's phaser yield was basically equal to the Generations-era Galaxy. That would partially explain how they were able to fend off attacks from seemingly stronger ships in the Delta Quadrant.
Spock: The prefix code?
Kirk: it’s all we got
Assuming she hasn’t changed the code. She’s quite clever
3:37 impressive to still be fighting with a 100 meter hole cut through 10+ decks 😂
Can there be a battle of this Enterprise D without shields vs an old Brid of prey, just like in the movie. I wonder if simply firing torpedoes should have been enough to destroy it without having to trigger to cloak. Has this ben done before?
Is there. Chance to do the armored version of Voyager and the transphasic torpedo version ?
I'd like to see this battle again but with voyager having the plate armor.
Saw your video on installing the mods on bridge commander. Has your website been taken down?????
Always annoys me when people think Voyager because it's a more advanced design would have no trouble destroying the Enterprise D. This is how I'd expect the battle to go down.
Are transphasic torpedoes considered to be more powerful in general than quantum, or just more effective against the Borg?
Funny how you fired more torpedoes then in the opening salvo then the Big E did in ST:Generations
"Small ship" remembering that Voyager is larger than a refit Connie and that was scaled around the size of major naval aircraft carriers of the 60s.
None of which is relevant here
It was small compared to some of the mid-late 24th century starfleet designs. The galaxy and nebula classes in particular are almost unbelievably vast.
Intrepid is an excellent light cruiser/heavy destroyer. But the Galaxy is a battleship for a reason.
This is almost sacreligious but so satisfying.
Do a Dominion wartime modified Galaxy class. Those were incredible
What about the Allegiance Class vs Federation Class?
I don't know anything about this program that you used. Is Voyager operating with the specs it originally had prior to being abducted by the Caregiver? Or is this with the various enhancements that it received during it's time in the Delta Quadrant including the added modifications from 7 of 9 and various upgrades it had throughout its journey? If the Voyager in this video had the upgrades than I think it's not exactly fair, I would prefer to have this Voyager be using only stock federation technology that it was originally built with.
What about a borg-tech Voyager versus Species 8472?
For the same power, you would expect a smaller ship to have stronger shields. The bigger the ship, the more energy you would spend. The strength of a ships shields would be something like 1/4πr^2. That is assuming the ship has the shape of a perfectly spherical cow.
False assumption- you're assuming they have the same power source. It's not likely that a 4.5 megaton ship would not have a far larger engine output than a 700 k ton ship . Enterprises engine core several times the size of voyagers
@@markmullins8622, The growth in power required is not linear it is exponential. The Enterprise might take hundreds of times more power for the same level of protection.
@s.patrickmarino7289 a. Please don't presume to lecture me.
B. You're missing the point. The galaxy class Has a far larger and more powerful warp core. It has power to burn.
@@markmullins8622, Just do the math. If the Enterprise is twice the size, it would take eight times the power, just to have the same level of shields. If the Enterprise was three times the size, it would take 36 times the power, just to have the same shields. If the Enterprise is eight times larger, it takes 64 times the power, just to have the same shields.
@@s.patrickmarino7289 again you're missing the point. I'm not going to argue with someone being deliberately abtuse
What about the Voyager with Ablative armor???
Has a basic Galaxy (like 1st season TNG) versus a basic Intrepid ever been done?
5:05 What‽ No insert of a Worf scowling 😄
What’s the difference between tng 1701D and generations 1701D
Supposedly the Enterprise D was continuously upgraded over the years. This version has similar torpedoes to the ones we saw on screen in Star Trek Generations. I believe the torpedoes are more powerful/shields and phasers 🖖
If I recall the bit about modifying the quantum torpedo's from the Dreadnought, that was probably only needed because they were Cardassian in origin rather than Starfleet tech. Which might go to show just how similar their levels of technology were.
Can the intrepid take on an ambassador though? Still a large size difference but the tech advantage might win.
depends if it has the Borg upgrades and Assimilated Regenerative Shield Array
Human factor won! Ty for the video and LLAP!
Can anyone tell me if you can replace the galaxy from single player with galaxy dreadnought or just in battle part of the game?
Omg AI absolutely sucks flying the Galaxy class, one torpedo at a time 😂
I'd like to see a stock or generations Galaxy vs some of the battles Voyager went through in Delta
What about the admiral Janeway upgrades the armor and new torpedos
Does this game have tricobalt devices? We know Voyager carried at least a handful of them, and they were substantially more powerful than standard photon torpedoes.
Also, does the upgraded Voyager from the series finale (with the transphasic torpedoes and hull armor) exist in this game? If so, I wonder how that version of Voyager might fair against a Galaxy-class, or even a Sovereign-class.
Indeed it does. They are powerful, but most effective when the shields on the enemy ship have failed. They still cause a lot of shield damage. Yes, the Armoured Voyager does exist in Bridge Commander remastered and is very accurate. It would almost one shot a Galaxy and Sovereign Class. The Armour would be able to withstand even Quantum Torpedoes. They would take some slight damage to the armour, but nothing major. It could handle around 4 Borg Cubes I reckon 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming 1 up-armored Voyager vs. 4 Borg Cubes, you say? I'd watch that video.
What about the Voyager after it received it’s upgrades in the very last Voyager episode? Against the Voyager with those armor upgrades and Trans-phasic torpedoes, I don’t think any ship would fare too well. Just 1 or 2 of those torpedoes can destroy an entire Borg cube. I wonder why we don’t see any of those torpedoes in Star Trek Picard?
It seems that the full spread just overwhelms the structural integrity field....I think that's why the hull dropped so much on the refit even with the shields still holding
Where do these requests come from?
3:13 It's not like we ever got to see a Galaxy-class firing 10 torpedoes at once back in the old days. To do so is the equivalent of dropping 10 nuclear bombs on a single target.
This went pretty much how I expected - a linebacker running through a quarterback.
There’s no way Voyager’s phasers should be as powerful as the Galaxy class - the emitters in the strip all add up to one beam - the Galaxy has 200 in each of the big saucer arrays. Voyager’s don’t even go all the way around its smaller saucer. But phasers don’t matter much in this game anyway.
It doesn't work like that. You'll note that when Starfleet built it's Borg fleet post wolf 359, it built much smaller ships with much smaller phaser strips, and yet they are very powerful - and more effective against the Borg than the huge Galaxy class ships. Clearly the size of phaser arrays isn't what matters. Look how powerful the Defiant phasers are. In fact the weakness of the Galaxy class is that because it's main phasers are so huge, they require huge power to fully charge, which then soon depletes the ship's energy reserves. In the Yesterdays Enterprise battle note how as soon as the Enterprise fires all phasers full blast, she then suffers badly and loses quickly - because she expended so much power in those few fast firing phaser volleys. It's better to have smaller arrays which are more efficient, which you can keep on firing at a fast rate.
My info is from the TNG Technical Manual by Sternbach and Okuda. Also, starships don't have "energy reserves" or anything battery-like that supply main systems. They have reactors - fusion and matter/antimatter warp core. Power is continuous. They also built Sovereigns post Wolf 359 with similar sized phaser arrays that likely had more power per each segment.
@@ChristopherBergs-kt8hb This is not correct. Look at the deck schematics for Voyager and you'll see a lot of internal battery storgae cells. And you've still answered the points I made in my previous comment.
How about Enterprise D vs. Defiant?
How about trying to equip the USS Voyager with ablative armor I mean the borg couldn’t touch voyager in the episode end game let see who’s gonna win the Galaxy or Voyager.
I don't know if it is true but I read a couple years ago that the galaxy class was considered a dreadnought so if that's true I'm not surprised by how powerful it is
It could potentially have been one if utilized properly. Dominion War refits were monstrous beasts, though I don't know enough about them to know if they could genuinely be classified as dreadnoughts. The Reman Scimitar is what comes to mind when I hear the word dreadnought, and that would likely have made mincemeat of a single Galaxy Refit. The Confederation World Razer probably WOULD be considered a real dreadnought, however, as I recall it being seemingly capable of destroying multiple Borg cubes on its own. Considering the Confederation annihilated the entire Collective, it seems more than plausible.
@@heartoffire5902 You are confusing size with technology levels
The intrepids smaller hull means its shields are more efficient. Its far more maneuverable and the computer systems use those bio-gel packs which make it much more responsive...
Are there protostar class
Not yet, although there is one under development 🖖
Retro badger i would like to work together playing bridge commander and star trek armada 1 and or 2 and against each other as well.
Fantastical
Voyager and the D vs E would be highly logical 🖖
Terms of Power, Galaxy class wins. Galaxy class armed BURST fire torpedo launcher, meaning it can fire a consecutive spread of 5-6 rounds consecutively before reload.
Another aspect is Voyager is More agile, and has better processing.
Something about the Enterprises Photons is off... Their shield penetration rate seems too high. Never experienced that shield pen myself with any Photon Torpedoes.
It is probably not changing the outcome of the battle, but that's kina weird.
Have they put shield bypassing torpedoes on that Galaxy?
Why does no one ever remember Voyager has Tri-Cobalt Devices
Had.
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@@HayturThey had 2. And they used them both in the pilot.
Whether they used them up or not in the show doesn't really have any bearing in a theoretical match up.
@@xDownSetxthis is the correct answer right here. Every ship in this game has its full armaments with it. So seems silly that voyager wouldn’t but as I suspect it’s probably just because people forgot
Yeah the phasers on an intrepid are the same type 10’s that are on the galaxy with the exception of the venture class of the galaxy, which is the dominion war refit that version of the galaxy has the same heavy regenerative shield that the sovereign does as well as an upgraded warp core and uses six type 12 phasers and eight type 11 as well as abladive hull armor and it can also fire Quantum torpedoes
Just to correct: the Galaxy class can only fire 5 photon torpedoes in one spread from one launcher at once. Ten in total: if fired from the fore and aft launcher, but realistically in battle you would only fire from the launcher facing the target, so 5 photons maximum.
Video - Battle is funny.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟.
Why do you give up your 6? Its consistent
Seems to say Dauntless on the Galaxy class soooooo I’m fairly certain it’s not the Enterprise-D. But then I saw the battle and it was right. End of day it’s ridiculous to think the voyager or rather an intrepid class would stand any chance against a Galaxy class.
They may have the same number of arrays but the Galaxy has way more individual emitters and hence more POWER! I think the Galaxy should be able to shred an Intrepid with her phasers only.
VOYAGER HAD 14 TYPE X Phaser arrays the D 12 but the Intrepid class had new improved dilithium crystals which regulate high energy plasma at higher capacity allowing for a 24% increase in Phaser yields and F type recharges which change and recharge the arrays 20% faster.
Voyager with Quantum torpedoes was more realistic battle.
I def want to see a post Delta Quadrant Voyager vs Galaxy class. Voyager was a different ship than this after its upgrades.
It's hard to figure out how good an intrepid class should be.
Voyager actually has two warp cores, it's in the plans and on the engineering display on the bridge in the show. Only one was only ever used on the show, the writers ignored the existence of the second warp core. If you're going to give the warp cores on the Intrwpid and Galaxy equal output for a single warp core, the Intrepid would actually have double the output.
The second warp core was a spare.
request a consitution refit and a excelsior class versus a stock galaxy class
I love how the galaxy class phaser banks are spoiling up before they fire
Having seen so many Voyager episodes, I can safely say the shields being trash and immediately taking hull damage is 100% episode accurate.😂
SO NEXT ROUND... DEFIANT VS VOYAGER?
Galaxy class with data at the helm and crusher on weapons your dead 😂😂
Suggestion: Make the NX-01 Enterprise battle the Galaxy Class Enterprise D
The reason why Voyager took so much damage while it shields were still up is because if the damage goes through the exact same Shield Ark at one time, you have to remember basic mathematics: if you have about 380 points of damage coming at you, and they all go through the same shield ark, and maybe that Shield are only repels 30 points of damage, then your ship has absorbed 350 points of damage. This is why the shields on Voyager were sitting at maybe 75%, but that's why you were taking 25% off of the hull Integrity each time you fired 10 Photon torpedoes in a spread.
Oh wow, the size difference is enormous, I'm very surprised voyager lasted as long as it did in the delta quadrant.
Voyager had 15 decks. Enterprise D had 42. Voyager was much closer to the size of the original Enterprise (TOS 1701). It's half the width, height, and depth of a Galaxy class vessel. So, in terms of internal volume, Enterprise D had 8 times the internal volume of the original Enterprise (and Voyager). That's why our comments regarding maneuverability are so germane. It had substantially much less mass and could move a lot faster and more responsively (bioneural gel packs also, hello).
This simulation is by no means an accurate representation despite the nice graphics. I'm not mad at the attempt to compare them, but it is precisely that: an attempt.
How about Nomad v The Doomsday Machine.
That's not how warp cores work. Voyager's power output would be considerably less than the Enterprise's, as Voyager has far less systems to power.
Frankly, a dominion war refit galaxy-class vs an intrepid class shouldn't really be a long match at all. The former is a fully blown battleship (Federation calls it an explorer) while the later is kinda of a light cruiser.
It's too bad you couldn't do PvP. I suppose a more fair test would be 2 AI vs each other, since you can't. The Enterprise under AI control did nothing to prevent you from continuously hammering its forward arc.
What about if the voyager uses the torpedoes, they used to destroy the caretakers array
I think there are the cobalt turbos
Dreadnought being armed with quantum torpedoes never made sense to me. It would mean that either the Cardassians stole the tech from starfleet or they developed the tech concurrently at about the same time as starfleet did. The Cardassians never equipped those torpedoes on their regular ships.
Something interesting about the cardassians is they're capable of building powerful and highly effective automated weapons, Dreadnought/orbital weapon platforms, but their ships are nowhere near as capable. It's almost like these things were made by different factions within their union.
For the record, the Intrepid had Mark VII phaser arrrays against Mark X phasers for the Galaxy. Not even close.
Not true They had Type X according to Rick Sternbach the ship designer and MK95 torpedoe launchers each can fire twelve torpedoes at ounce.
@@jasonwestwood7092 Are you talking aboutthe Intrepids or the Galaxies?
INTREPID CLASS.
For the record the Constitution class refit 2271 onwards had type 7 Phaser names six twin mounted.
What game is that?
Star Trek bridge commander 🖖
I thought the Enterprise D class could use Quantum torpedos too?
Quantum torpedoes are hard to stand for a Borg Qube so....that results wasn't very wierd;) for me.
Yes the human factor came in more, but Voyager was more advanced than the Ent D.. but in the show, gosh, everyone they came across, and fired on, damage like crazy but , a day passes and all is fixed.. hmm.. love the battle🖖*sorry too much going on and I am not well sorry.
Sorry to hear that Steve. Hope you feel better soon buddy. Voyager had an amazing repair ability. All fixed in one evening 😂🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thanks again, sorry to put that.. the woman neighbour is making my life a living hell and enough , I went to the police talked to not her friend and he did not want to he a thing... I am gay, but she is even running to the houses around my building saying worst... can't say it here.. but I am burnt and emotionally gone.. sorry again and Yes Voyager repairs fast.. gosh.. That is one well many questions I have about the show lol.. 😊🖖
I feel like people where asking for the voyager that came home from the Delta quadrant and not the factory.... That is the fight people are looking for not this one. See they are asking for Voyager not a basic Intrepid class ship. They specifically said USS Voyager not Intrepid class.
Well in that case take the upgraded Ent D as well then with the phaser lance and 1shot voyager
@@Ziplock9000 No that ship only existed in a alternate time line. What I am talking about existed with in the mail time line so totally different situation and why that is the voyager we want to see in these!
I’d had liked to have seen the D or another Galaxy with ablative armor and quantum torpedoes. No other upgrades, just that.
I would have liked to see if just plain photon armed Voyager had a chance over the Galaxy with your guidance. Quantum Voyager almost cruised to victory.
Okay was the enterprise D set permanently at low power mode for its phasers and weapon systems during TNG and its first and only movie, as what the hell lol
as the phasers and torpedos seemed drastically weaker than the TMP enterprise, here its like HOLY CRAP lol
Human factor, yes - mostly because the AI never uses the Full Spread option.
But could the NON quantum Intrepid beat Enterprise D??🤔