+Dark Raptor I agree on that 2006 and 2007 was Bionicle's prime. I remember being shocked that they shat out Web Of Shadows which was honestly just filler but didn't make a movie of the Inika/piraka It would've made them so much money
My top 5 disappointments 5. No 2006 Movie (imagine that) 4. Snapping pieces in 2008 (LEGO, YOU REINED 2008 WITH THAT) 3. Legend of Mata Nui's cancelation (please give me a beta disc) 2. 2005 (no prequel like this for g2 LEGO, OK) 1. The end of G1 BIONICLE
+Flaming Jockey 5:i agree with you, on 5,but,it was better to be a trilogy(as much as i love legend reborn,doesnt count,beacuse its a diferent animation)
+Flaming Jockey what was wrong with the prequel saga? it's well written, it explains why the bionicle universe is the way it is, and it makes the story more epic because we're dealing with risen and fallen civilastions
Flaming Jockey I liked it, I liked what they did with vakama, it shows you don't just overcome a flaw and everything is perfect, sometimes you go too far in the other direction, it's about learning balance, it was also good to see the comics tell of them being at full on war in the bionicle universe.
***** Agreed, Matau turning evil because he got ugly would be petty, and make him seem like a weak character, vakama defected because his group were turning on him, and in his animal state it would seem like his herd was ejecting him, thus he jumped at the chance to be the alpha of a different group, and was only turned back when his old group forgave him. What would that final speech be like if the roles were reversed? Vakama telling matau to get over his vanity? that doesn't carry the same weight.
I enjoyed the 2005 story line, and didn't mind that Vakama betrayed the group for a time. I thought it was rather fitting, given how Vakama was constantly plagued by self doubt, and never really wanted the position of leader, though I do wish that the nagging and criticism from the other toa had been greater than what was depicted, with Nokama becoming the one to finally have enough of the overly critical crap that the others were whining at Vakama for. I also liked how it was ultimately Matau that saved Vakama, as it showed that he had greater depth and integrity, rather than simply being a cookie-cutter-cutout kind of character.
my headcannon is that, since the events of Web Of Shadows was vakama telling the story to the matoran, vakama claimed that he betrayed the toa to cover up the fact that MATAU was the one that betrayed them. He's just lookin out for his friend
I agree so much. His insecurities, fueled by the constant criticism of the others make it so fitting for him to become desperate and frustrated. And it gives off a great catalyst for his transition to a wise leader and the future elder which he is to become when awakening the matoran :)
Are you kidding me? Vakama's betrayal made perfect sense. The way it played out in the movie was perfect. Vakama was under so much pressure to be a good leader. His predecessors Toa Boots were a pretty big boot to fill.
My biggest disappointment is G2 bionicle. When I first heard they were doing this, I said "Finally! Lego is bringing our beloved series back!" But just Battlefront EA, I was so disappointed. The voice acting was atrocious, the story was bland and uninteresting, and the sets! MY GOD THE SETS!!! Bionicle was well known for having sets that were jagged, robotic and menacing. They looked like Michael Bay transformers. Now the new stuff is so smooth and clean. It doesn't say Bionicle at all.
I actually genuinely liked 2005's story arch, Vakama and Matau fighting with Matau finally maturing as a character to bring his friend back to the light is truly heartwarming. I don't think choosing Vakama was a bad idea, his leadership was questioned, and Roodaka offered him unquestionable power over the Visorak horde, I totally understand his betrayal and find it fairly justified.
@@kojeb Besides Nokama, it was relatively clear that the rest of the team was not sympathetic to Vakama's plight as a leader during the time in between the two movies, and once the mistakes were made to the point that they had turned into Hordika, he lost all confidence in himself and in that moment was offered an easy option to lead the Visorak horde without any opposition from Roodaka. This seems to be when the rest of the team realized that they had taken him for granted and missed his leadership, and Matau was able to reflect and improve himself to be a better team member and friend to Vakama, a heartwarming transition for sure given the tension and constant questioning of Vakama that occurred early in the movie. You definitely can feel the team become closer than they were from start to finish.
@@devackroyd there are also the facts that A.) The rest of the team had been questioning him from the get go, even in Legends of Mata Nui And B.) The Hordika venom was swaying his general aggression and mental state.
Welp. Might as well add the second cancellation as another disappointment. We never even got a physical mask of ultimate power. Hell I thought they were gonna at least bring in some more reboots of the classic characters.
I swear to god, as mid 2000's Bionicle fan who missed out on everything good from G1, and only got stars, GRESH BEING ONE OF THEM (really great choice with that green boi). I was excited that G2 was like G1, just simplified, that we would get Makuta and Takanuva in year 3, etc. Get so many pieces for mocs.... Guess how many sets I got? 4.... We need to vote for that Bionicle ideas set, or else I will go bankrupt buying as many mint condition Bionicle sets that I will be able to out of depression.
I've gotta say, I think the Bionicle Stars get a bad rap. They're certainly underwhelming, and there are about a hundred things I'd rather end Bionicle with over making classic characters like Tahu, Takanuva, and the Rahkshi into Agori Builds. However, think about the circumstances. Due to bad sales, Bionicle was supposed to end after 2009 and be cancelled right there. People at Lego convinced them to do one more series to wrap up the lengthy storyline and give the fans a series send-off, so the fact that they were able to at least wrap the series up is nice given what was happening. I had a lot of fun collecting all six stars before the series was gone for good. And yes, I mean it's been gone for good.
Lego's thought process is baffling. In 2009 they wanted to refresh the franchise with a new arc, but they didn't put enough work in, results were sub-par and G1 died as a result. Then they did hero factory, which was eventually cancelled, only for them to start a new bionicle series which has the tone, aesthetic and story complexity OF hero factory, the thing they just saw cancelled. Now, in 2015, despite having more money, more experience and importantly, more fans, they have deliberately made Bionicle with a tone for a target audience YOUNGER than in 2001, thus alienating older fans because they can't even enjoy it on the level they can still enjoy 2001, as well as a lower budget for media production. They're treating it like Fox treats a lot of their TV shows, despite having a dedicated fanbase and an awful lot of very good work put into it, they don't allow it to succeed.
Bionicles stort became a mess around 2005.. To be completley and bluntly honest the best thing bionicle gave us was cryoshels music.. Which was christian music xD lmao
ThreeDaysOfDan how did the story become a mess? they did 2 years where Mata Nui's life was at stake, and then 1 year waking him up before it soft rebooted with a clean slate. It was no more messy than any of the years up until then. I think you're confusing Cryoshell another band, they aren't listed as a christian band.
@@flamincheeto To be fair, all of the sets are much bigger and more complex than their G1 counterparts. By my understanding, they've more than tripled the parts count.
I think the reason that Bionicle never got a theatrical movie release is because all the stories the studios wrote involved the Toa traveling to the human worlds and Lego was not going to have any of that, so they had to produce them in-house and were forced to only have DVD releases
I could see Hordika Matau as the traitor for 05 story, it would have been an homage to Nidiki's betrayal, and Green is the color of envy, plus the dark side of the element air is their easily manipulated and vile when pist off enough.
The movie franchise I wish we got: BIONICLE: Mask of Light BIONICLE 2: Legends of Metru Nui BIONICLE 3: Web of Shadows BIONICLE 4: Island of Doom BIONICLE 5: Sea of Darkness BIONICLE 6: Secrets of Karda Nui BIONICLE 7: Glatorian Warriors BIONICLE 8: The Legend Reborn BIONICLE 9: Battle of Bara magna
I really hate the Stars, I do, but after hearing what you said, I'm at least glad they existed. It showed that the people who wrote and created Bionicle cared enough to take this to the Lego higher ups and more or less force them to give the dedicated fans at least some kind of send off, no matter how bad the sets were. It's what the sets really represent about the creators, not what they actually contain
I will always find 2005's storyline to be greatly contrived but compelling and interesting. It was that ominous and dark feeling of being swarmed, invaded and conquered. The Hordika definetly made for awesome heroes at the moment, even if the sets left a lot to be desired.
I always wanted more G1 Bionicle movies. There should've been one for most if not every year but the lore easily justifies much more than that. As much as I like Bionicle's approach to trying things in all sorts of mediums an animated series on the level of something like Avatar or the old DC animated universe putting everything in one place would've been fantastic and probably helped keep it around longer. At the very least it would've reached a lot more people. I think more games at a AAA or even AA level would've helped a hell of a lot too and these days if Bionicle was rebooted into something closer to G1 or even continued it I think that's what I'd want from them the most. At the end of the day there's no way the cancelation and everything it affected wasn't the worst thing that could've happen. Some things can turn a cancelation into a satisfying ending to the extent nobody would even notice it was forced if they weren't aware of what's happening behind the scenes. Obviously that wasn't the case with Bionicle it feels like there was another 7-10 years just in what we were building up to towards the end. What's worse is I think it becomes more and more apparent with the story over time that Bionicle isn't something that needs a finite story. It's a fantastic universe that could go on and on with new characters and places at different points in time.
Am I the only person that loves everything about 2004-2005? The Toa Metru are my favorite set ever. And I love the Hordika. I read all the books. I think the story is great. The Toa Metru went through some serious hardships as Toa. I was really hoping after 2005 it would have showed then return to Metru Nui to rebuild it. What about the end of Mask of Light? Turaga Vakama speaks of returning to it to rebuild but then nothing ever came of it. Bring back Metru Nui. Glory days of Bionicle imo.
My biggest disappointment: only caring about the toys and not the story when I was little. Well, I guess catching up the story from 2001-2005 would be difficult for the 5-year old I was... It just shows how great the toys are. I have such fond memories! Toa Hordika Matau was my first, and I still love him as much as before.
The reason we didn't get a Lego Bionicle TV Show isn't just because of their distrust with the CCBS system and Hero Factory, but also because of a very limited staff, pushing a lot of Bionicle's media towards second party or third party groups rather than being directly involved. This not only negatively affects the series, but also the toy design. Starting with the Summer of 2015 to now, we have been getting a CONSTANT repetition of very bad moves from the Lego design team. From copying builds, to unoriginal pieces, to poor function design. This is because the toyline is being incredibly rushed. So much though that they're forced to skip functions for certain waves to compensate for it. For example: Winter 2016 toa had no gearboxes and Umarrak was given a copied build. Summer 2016 we see the return of the gearboxes with more unique use and Ekima used as a toa with a poorly rushed build combining the gearbox and the new waist articulation. By this, we can predict either a year without toa sets, or a toa set copying Ekimu's new build. I will credit the new design team with fan service, as they have pretty much confirmed that Gen 1 and Gen 2 are in the same multiverse. Both with reference to the mask of time, and the valley of the maze.
I agree for the most part with #8. The movie version did not explain it very well. However the book reasoned that Vakama joined Roodaka to get closer to the captive Matoran and try to free them from within. I agree with the Matau traitor idea too.
I think the biggest missed oppurtunity is gen2's story. I think it would've been cool if it started on Spherus Magna and just reintroduced the characters in a continuation of gen1. Also, there was lots of loose ends so it wouldn't be hard to have it feel like a seperate story because there was the smart pack of vorox the hidden great being, and marendar could've all been story arcs. Furthermore, it would help fleash out spherus magna and since it would've been reformed already it would be a cool locale for it to take place in. for shame lego.
10:31 nexo kinghts and chima may have had tv shows but Ninjago perfected it and is still going strong. Ninjago has been a theme almost as long as bionicle now. there has been 94 episodes and 96 if you count the pilot episodes and 9 seasons of ninjago. there is rumored to be a ninjago anime series planned
My theory about Bionicle G2 not getting it's own show: It's possible that Lego didn't expect us older fans to be so exited about the reboot, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who checked out after a while and stopped buying sets, and figured just selling the toys would be enough. Fast Forward to now and suddenly Bionicle is making lots more money then the expected, so now as a test they're making the Netflix series to try and see how things go.
Imagine an alternate universe where Lego had let the comic writers continue the graphic novel series for years after Gen1 ended. That could've been amazing, since without new sets, the writers could've introduced new characters, creatures, and other things without having to use the characters being sold that year. Sadly, this will probably never happen.
Disappointment: At the very beginning of G1, the Rahi were the only villains you could buy. Young children could scrape together $8 for a Toa with relative ease, but the cheapest Rahi was $15. The most expensive was $90. It didn't help that they were somewhat uncommon to find in stores and each set contained two extremely-similar Rahi, making the price much higher than it needed to be. Thank goodness the Bohrok came afterwards.
Well, the point back then was to have the sets compete against, no matter what sets you had. Each Rahi set had 2 Rahi each so that they were able to compete; LEGO couldn't assume that the buyer had another set to use the Rahi against. And the Toa are effective enough at knocking their own masks off, so kids could just buy 2 Toa sets and be satisfied.
The G1 story could have been expanded in so many ways. I really hope some talented writer will pick it up in the future, as a pet project or something, and write their own fan fiction fill-ins for the rest of the story. I also really hope someone makes their own MNOG'esque kind of game. I loved those. Solek.
+Deego the Great i'd like it if they were more like the first MNOG, i've only watched a walkthrough for the 2nd and it drove me nuts watching how long it takes to get out of ga-koro
I remember when I was younger and bionicle stars was pretty much announced to be the last sets. I WAS LEGIT PISSED OFF FOR A MONTH WITH LEGO, WHYY WOULD THEY DO THIS?!
I think I said this on the boards, but you should start a "Top MOCs of the Month" series, highlighting your favorite MOCs that you have seen each month...
templar studio were also involved in the music for early bionicle. the telescope music from the MNOG was an incredible piece of ambient music, shame it was kinda short :/
My #1 disappointment is that Bionicle sets drifted from a more technic reliant design. Things got simpler, and not in a way I'd say is positive. While the classic canister sets weren't exactly the most complex things, they did convey the robotic theme very well and at least attempted some sort of play function. Bohrok I consider to be the epitome of canister sets. Larger Titan sets got even more insane, delivering a complexity of design, play function, and general aesthetic, even if they did leave some flaws. Even with said flaws, they were inspired designs; showing the designers were hard at work, and leaving fans with a craving to create equally incredible constructs. This is not to say Bionicle come tell lacked complexity in its laters years, but such things could only be expect in the very large and expensive sets. Canister sets took a very linear design route. Gone were the days of Bohrok to Rakshi. All to be expected was the same general skeleton with different unique pieces
I was half-expecting #1 to be Solek. Even though that would have been disappointing, the #1 was still disappointing anyway, and the arguments for it being so were fairly bad.
my biggest bionicle disappointment was the summer 2015 wave. the first g2 sets were by far my favorite sets, then it crashed. but the 2016 sets look amazing
I think the greatest disappointment would be The Solis Magna Universe and the fact Bara Magna was hardly featured after 2009 along with Aqua Magna and Bota Magna.
you know what bionicle should have done was continue the stories and when we got a new character you could order it from lego so that way they wouldnt be wasting plastic and they wouldnt have to worry about sales because you would have to order it and they would make it for you based of the book characters like all the toa hagahs we missed out on smh
A pretty big disappointment was the reveal of Makuta of Metru Nui's true name, Teridax. The controversy it created made Farshtey hesitant to reveal names of any other characters. As such, he never told us the real name of The Shadowed One, even though he was planning to do so. I personally dislike Teridax' name. With being called something as gritty and dark as 'Makuta', it was a letdown that the name sounded like something from an early teen's fantasy. "Everything's more impressive with an 'x'.", to quote someone.
GUYS, YOU KNOW HOW BIONICLE IS GETTING THAT 4 EPISODE THING ON NETFLIX, WELL, REMEMBER NINJAGO, IT STARTED WITH 4 EPISODES AS WELL, IF THIS NETFLIX SERIES IS POPULAR ENOUGH, WE MIGHT GET 12 EPISODE SEASONS LIKE WE DO FOR NINJAGO!
4 is the number of LEGO. There is 4 numbers in LEGO. There was 4 BIONIClE Movies. There was originally 4 episodes of Ninjago and HF. Therefore, Solek confirmed
God, all of this. All of it. The only disagreement I might have with this list is that most of the Hordika story was great, particularly in the books. I would only complain about Vakama's betrayal.
the only thing i'm disappointed of is the bionicle ending cuz the conclusion of choice wasn't put, they did say they were gonna end it in 2020 but they caused this conclusion by cancellation, if I had my way I say the ending of choice was 2008 & reboot the ignition line with some story changes including killing Teridax & Jaller being the final hero of bionicle while the rest stays the same including the formation of Inika & Matoro's sacrifice to save Mata Nui
Same here. I've seen a lot of stories go unfinished: Bionicle, Acceleracers, Half-Life, Tron:Uprising, heck-even the original continuity for freaking STAR WARS seemed to have a unfinished ending(in my opinion, at least). It drives me crazy every time a series gets cancelled before it gets the chance to get its ending.
T- 883 Well, let’s be realistic here, the characters weren’t set-based, the voice acting was wooden, and they started on Mask of Light, and not the original 2001 storyline.
+Shiny Hunter Ness But it doesn't have the mechanic look, i'd like to see if LEGO remold all the Bionicle piece but instead of the fragile thin socket joints they mold in the CCBS system socket joints.
All other Lego themes are garbage in comparison to Bionicle's Lore, Story, Size and Style. The only other theme that comes close is Star Wars, and thats not an original idea! I don't get why Lego can't see and or develop the gold mine that is bionicle into its greatest potential, it makes me furious!
Bionicle does actually appear in the LEGO movie, for a split second on screen whilst Wildstyle is telling Emit about all the other universes out there.
The Mata Nui robot: Build a great world, and then tear it down in favour of a desert world with very basic forest and ocean moons. I've got star wars for 1-biome planets
#7 - That pisses me the fuck off! I can't believe this kind of news didn't become public! Bionicle would have been much better if they never fired him. Hell, maybe it would've gone on even longer.
+LuigiRulz324 Unfortunately that is where the series became darker and LEGO didn't want to risk it and considering how much bubble-wrap parents have wrapped around their kids and how overly-sensitive people are these days there is pretty much no chance of it happening. Go look for Bionicle N17 he has made a Stop-motion film about the Voya Nui saga and plans on continuing.
2010 got lucky here in iceland, bionicle the legend reborn did get a theatrical release. i dont know if other countries adapted this movie for theaters.
about #6, why do you think think the opportunities are missed like that? Even though i'm posting this way late after the video. And i wanted to add the fact that i just recently started studying the incredible bionicle plotline and see its potential (which means i'm still a die hard fan of it) i can see there are people (like me), who may take this project up and with some help revive it. but target the mature audience and not kids. like making a game and stuff
No you should compile all of the books, comic stories, and online story shorts, and release on giant "Legend of the Bionicle." Also include the bits with Angonce and Tren Krom and the core war and all of that Beginning beginning stuff. Basically start with the great beings arriving in Spherus Magna.
IN-TE-RE-ST-ING. Certainly, you do make quite a lot of sense. The bionicle storyline has some major plotholes. And great beings coming to Spherus magna would be quite interesting
Greatest disappointment hands down was the cancellation of BIONICLE: The Album in 2002 :P As much as I'd have liked the 01 PC game to have come out, the gameplay footage I've seen looked pretty terrible. I don't think the game would have been any good, personally. Legends of Metru Nui almost being theatrical was actually known before Faber's blog post - articles on BZPower from back in 2003 mentioned a theatrical 2004 film (under the name "The Mask Maker", which I personally like better), but I'm kind of surprised that Web of Shadows was also almost theatrical. Moreso than the lack of a 2015 TV show is second to me for the lack of any good 2015 story/characters/world building. Comics at the very least! I have no faith in the 2016 series at the moment, I think it'll be simple like the animations.
+Nick Flemens Basically I mentioned that I hated Solek with a passion on MakutaFest 2015 and it spawned a bunch of people determined to make my life a living nightmare. :P - Mesonak
Hey TTV folks. I'd like to point out that I've noticed you banning a lot of topics, I get your reasoning, as you want people to write only conversations. It's not completely bad, as stuff like the first spam, but you're being too controlling. That's my opinion, and I'd imagine many others.
I admit, I am EXTREMELY pissed there was no Toa Inika movie.
+Spooper Sensei Even when your hope is gone, move along, move along... OH FORGET IT WE NEED THAT MOVIE.
It mahri
+Spooper Senshi Well we do have to... move along.
+Dark Raptor I agree on that 2006 and 2007 was Bionicle's prime. I remember being shocked that they shat out Web Of Shadows which was honestly just filler but didn't make a movie of the Inika/piraka
It would've made them so much money
+Calafrio The Ice Lord Why not both?
My top 5 disappointments
5. No 2006 Movie (imagine that)
4. Snapping pieces in 2008 (LEGO, YOU REINED 2008 WITH THAT)
3. Legend of Mata Nui's cancelation (please give me a beta disc)
2. 2005 (no prequel like this for g2 LEGO, OK)
1. The end of G1 BIONICLE
+Flaming Jockey 5:i agree with you, on 5,but,it was better to be a trilogy(as much as i love legend reborn,doesnt count,beacuse its a diferent animation)
+Flaming Jockey what was wrong with the prequel saga? it's well written, it explains why the bionicle universe is the way it is, and it makes the story more epic because we're dealing with risen and fallen civilastions
kieran10202 I mean I don't want anything like 2005. 2004 was good but just 2005 I will complain about.
Flaming Jockey I liked it, I liked what they did with vakama, it shows you don't just overcome a flaw and everything is perfect, sometimes you go too far in the other direction, it's about learning balance, it was also good to see the comics tell of them being at full on war in the bionicle universe.
***** Agreed, Matau turning evil because he got ugly would be petty, and make him seem like a weak character, vakama defected because his group were turning on him, and in his animal state it would seem like his herd was ejecting him, thus he jumped at the chance to be the alpha of a different group, and was only turned back when his old group forgave him. What would that final speech be like if the roles were reversed? Vakama telling matau to get over his vanity? that doesn't carry the same weight.
I enjoyed the 2005 story line, and didn't mind that Vakama betrayed the group for a time. I thought it was rather fitting, given how Vakama was constantly plagued by self doubt, and never really wanted the position of leader, though I do wish that the nagging and criticism from the other toa had been greater than what was depicted, with Nokama becoming the one to finally have enough of the overly critical crap that the others were whining at Vakama for. I also liked how it was ultimately Matau that saved Vakama, as it showed that he had greater depth and integrity, rather than simply being a cookie-cutter-cutout kind of character.
agreed
my headcannon is that, since the events of Web Of Shadows was vakama telling the story to the matoran, vakama claimed that he betrayed the toa to cover up the fact that MATAU was the one that betrayed them. He's just lookin out for his friend
I agree so much. His insecurities, fueled by the constant criticism of the others make it so fitting for him to become desperate and frustrated. And it gives off a great catalyst for his transition to a wise leader and the future elder which he is to become when awakening the matoran :)
Are you kidding me? Vakama's betrayal made perfect sense. The way it played out in the movie was perfect. Vakama was under so much pressure to be a good leader. His predecessors Toa Boots were a pretty big boot to fill.
I guess it was perfect. Doesn't mean it was good.
My biggest disappointment is G2 bionicle.
When I first heard they were doing this, I said "Finally! Lego is bringing our beloved series back!"
But just Battlefront EA, I was so disappointed. The voice acting was atrocious, the story was bland and uninteresting, and the sets! MY GOD THE SETS!!! Bionicle was well known for having sets that were jagged, robotic and menacing. They looked like Michael Bay transformers. Now the new stuff is so smooth and clean. It doesn't say Bionicle at all.
Luckily the sets were upgraded in 2016. And are far more superior to the 2015 counterparts
I agree
Idk.. I like bionicle 2015.. But I do have toa metru matar.
+Matau*
Jason Alcatraz look at toa Mata tahu and then look at 2015 tahu. tell me which one looks cooler
I actually genuinely liked 2005's story arch, Vakama and Matau fighting with Matau finally maturing as a character to bring his friend back to the light is truly heartwarming. I don't think choosing Vakama was a bad idea, his leadership was questioned, and Roodaka offered him unquestionable power over the Visorak horde, I totally understand his betrayal and find it fairly justified.
Matau had a path to fixing his problems, while Vakama did not. Vakama’s betrayal was well established in the movie
@@kojeb Besides Nokama, it was relatively clear that the rest of the team was not sympathetic to Vakama's plight as a leader during the time in between the two movies, and once the mistakes were made to the point that they had turned into Hordika, he lost all confidence in himself and in that moment was offered an easy option to lead the Visorak horde without any opposition from Roodaka. This seems to be when the rest of the team realized that they had taken him for granted and missed his leadership, and Matau was able to reflect and improve himself to be a better team member and friend to Vakama, a heartwarming transition for sure given the tension and constant questioning of Vakama that occurred early in the movie. You definitely can feel the team become closer than they were from start to finish.
@@devackroyd there are also the facts that
A.) The rest of the team had been questioning him from the get go, even in Legends of Mata Nui
And B.) The Hordika venom was swaying his general aggression and mental state.
Welp. Might as well add the second cancellation as another disappointment. We never even got a physical mask of ultimate power. Hell I thought they were gonna at least bring in some more reboots of the classic characters.
covenantslayer1 the sad thing is they WERE going to bring back Takanuva
@@superjhamp2089 Really?
@@syweb2 yes
I swear to god, as mid 2000's Bionicle fan who missed out on everything good from G1, and only got stars, GRESH BEING ONE OF THEM (really great choice with that green boi).
I was excited that G2 was like G1, just simplified, that we would get Makuta and Takanuva in year 3, etc. Get so many pieces for mocs.... Guess how many sets I got? 4.... We need to vote for that Bionicle ideas set, or else I will go bankrupt buying as many mint condition Bionicle sets that I will be able to out of depression.
I've gotta say, I think the Bionicle Stars get a bad rap. They're certainly underwhelming, and there are about a hundred things I'd rather end Bionicle with over making classic characters like Tahu, Takanuva, and the Rahkshi into Agori Builds. However, think about the circumstances. Due to bad sales, Bionicle was supposed to end after 2009 and be cancelled right there. People at Lego convinced them to do one more series to wrap up the lengthy storyline and give the fans a series send-off, so the fact that they were able to at least wrap the series up is nice given what was happening. I had a lot of fun collecting all six stars before the series was gone for good. And yes, I mean it's been gone for good.
Lego's thought process is baffling. In 2009 they wanted to refresh the franchise with a new arc, but they didn't put enough work in, results were sub-par and G1 died as a result. Then they did hero factory, which was eventually cancelled, only for them to start a new bionicle series which has the tone, aesthetic and story complexity OF hero factory, the thing they just saw cancelled. Now, in 2015, despite having more money, more experience and importantly, more fans, they have deliberately made Bionicle with a tone for a target audience YOUNGER than in 2001, thus alienating older fans because they can't even enjoy it on the level they can still enjoy 2001, as well as a lower budget for media production. They're treating it like Fox treats a lot of their TV shows, despite having a dedicated fanbase and an awful lot of very good work put into it, they don't allow it to succeed.
+kieran10202 wow this is exactly whats wrong with it
Bionicles stort became a mess around 2005.. To be completley and bluntly honest the best thing bionicle gave us was cryoshels music.. Which was christian music xD lmao
ThreeDaysOfDan how did the story become a mess? they did 2 years where Mata Nui's life was at stake, and then 1 year waking him up before it soft rebooted with a clean slate. It was no more messy than any of the years up until then.
I think you're confusing Cryoshell another band, they aren't listed as a christian band.
Cryoshell's music isn't christian at all, it's more "emo-like" than anything, which is the opposite of christian music.
AGM Official read the lyrics
1. G2's set names, set prices, and parts of the story.
Back in the good ol' days toa would cost $3-5 and titan sets would cost $20, there are no titans in Gen 2 and the toa cost $20
Zenmaster [Pokemon and Other Stuff] Toa never cost 3-5 $, they were 7-13 $
@@flamincheeto To be fair, all of the sets are much bigger and more complex than their G1 counterparts. By my understanding, they've more than tripled the parts count.
I think the reason that Bionicle never got a theatrical movie release is because all the stories the studios wrote involved the Toa traveling to the human worlds and Lego was not going to have any of that, so they had to produce them in-house and were forced to only have DVD releases
So basically, the studios wanted Transformers before Transformers became a movie franchise.
I could see Hordika Matau as the traitor for 05 story, it would have been an homage to Nidiki's betrayal, and Green is the color of envy, plus the dark side of the element air is their easily manipulated and vile when pist off enough.
The movie franchise I wish we got:
BIONICLE: Mask of Light
BIONICLE 2: Legends of Metru Nui
BIONICLE 3: Web of Shadows
BIONICLE 4: Island of Doom
BIONICLE 5: Sea of Darkness
BIONICLE 6: Secrets of Karda Nui
BIONICLE 7: Glatorian Warriors
BIONICLE 8: The Legend Reborn
BIONICLE 9: Battle of Bara magna
heh....heh heh...
When time travel becomes a thing...I'm fixing as many of these as possible with my glorious Future Knowledge!
I really hate the Stars, I do, but after hearing what you said, I'm at least glad they existed. It showed that the people who wrote and created Bionicle cared enough to take this to the Lego higher ups and more or less force them to give the dedicated fans at least some kind of send off, no matter how bad the sets were. It's what the sets really represent about the creators, not what they actually contain
Gali's voice acting for g2 :T
I will always find 2005's storyline to be greatly contrived but compelling and interesting. It was that ominous and dark feeling of being swarmed, invaded and conquered. The Hordika definetly made for awesome heroes at the moment, even if the sets left a lot to be desired.
I found BIONICLE thanks to the Toa Hordika though.
I always wanted more G1 Bionicle movies. There should've been one for most if not every year but the lore easily justifies much more than that. As much as I like Bionicle's approach to trying things in all sorts of mediums an animated series on the level of something like Avatar or the old DC animated universe putting everything in one place would've been fantastic and probably helped keep it around longer. At the very least it would've reached a lot more people. I think more games at a AAA or even AA level would've helped a hell of a lot too and these days if Bionicle was rebooted into something closer to G1 or even continued it I think that's what I'd want from them the most.
At the end of the day there's no way the cancelation and everything it affected wasn't the worst thing that could've happen. Some things can turn a cancelation into a satisfying ending to the extent nobody would even notice it was forced if they weren't aware of what's happening behind the scenes. Obviously that wasn't the case with Bionicle it feels like there was another 7-10 years just in what we were building up to towards the end. What's worse is I think it becomes more and more apparent with the story over time that Bionicle isn't something that needs a finite story. It's a fantastic universe that could go on and on with new characters and places at different points in time.
Am I the only person that loves everything about 2004-2005? The Toa Metru are my favorite set ever. And I love the Hordika. I read all the books. I think the story is great. The Toa Metru went through some serious hardships as Toa. I was really hoping after 2005 it would have showed then return to Metru Nui to rebuild it. What about the end of Mask of Light? Turaga Vakama speaks of returning to it to rebuild but then nothing ever came of it. Bring back Metru Nui. Glory days of Bionicle imo.
#1 Disappointment: No Spooky Scary Summer Wave Recent Review on Halloween
And no Solek reviews yet.
SOLEK
+ltranc That's a good thing #GoTanma #StopSolek
Gold good guy Silly Solekian (hey, alliteration!) this means a review of Tanma, since he is so good he gets a review of his own
+Gold good guy he's pridakian
Gold good guy Well, the lime green shall crush them and turn them into sushi!
My biggest disappointment: only caring about the toys and not the story when I was little. Well, I guess catching up the story from 2001-2005 would be difficult for the 5-year old I was...
It just shows how great the toys are. I have such fond memories! Toa Hordika Matau was my first, and I still love him as much as before.
I was always waiting for Legend reborn sequel and I wanted to see it.
The reason we didn't get a Lego Bionicle TV Show isn't just because of their distrust with the CCBS system and Hero Factory, but also because of a very limited staff, pushing a lot of Bionicle's media towards second party or third party groups rather than being directly involved. This not only negatively affects the series, but also the toy design.
Starting with the Summer of 2015 to now, we have been getting a CONSTANT repetition of very bad moves from the Lego design team. From copying builds, to unoriginal pieces, to poor function design. This is because the toyline is being incredibly rushed. So much though that they're forced to skip functions for certain waves to compensate for it. For example: Winter 2016 toa had no gearboxes and Umarrak was given a copied build. Summer 2016 we see the return of the gearboxes with more unique use and Ekima used as a toa with a poorly rushed build combining the gearbox and the new waist articulation. By this, we can predict either a year without toa sets, or a toa set copying Ekimu's new build.
I will credit the new design team with fan service, as they have pretty much confirmed that Gen 1 and Gen 2 are in the same multiverse. Both with reference to the mask of time, and the valley of the maze.
I agree for the most part with #8. The movie version did not explain it very well. However the book reasoned that Vakama joined Roodaka to get closer to the captive Matoran and try to free them from within. I agree with the Matau traitor idea too.
I think the biggest missed oppurtunity is gen2's story. I think it would've been cool if it started on Spherus Magna and just reintroduced the characters in a continuation of gen1. Also, there was lots of loose ends so it wouldn't be hard to have it feel like a seperate story because there was the smart pack of vorox the hidden great being, and marendar could've all been story arcs. Furthermore, it would help fleash out spherus magna and since it would've been reformed already it would be a cool locale for it to take place in. for shame lego.
then it wouldn't be a reboot.
toaheroisaac DX Which would have been better, 9/10 times Reboots suck
10:31 nexo kinghts and chima may have had tv shows but Ninjago perfected it and is still going strong. Ninjago has been a theme almost as long as bionicle now. there has been 94 episodes and 96 if you count the pilot episodes and 9 seasons of ninjago. there is rumored to be a ninjago anime series planned
This makes me cry. This whole video. I'm literally crying.
I'm so mad because 2010 didn't go well!!! I want mechanical dinosaurs!!! Maybe technic build would love little bit longer...
live*
The stars sets were big disappointments.
+LegendarySilverWolf totally.
My theory about Bionicle G2 not getting it's own show: It's possible that Lego didn't expect us older fans to be so exited about the reboot, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who checked out after a while and stopped buying sets, and figured just selling the toys would be enough.
Fast Forward to now and suddenly Bionicle is making lots more money then the expected, so now as a test they're making the Netflix series to try and see how things go.
I think the biggest disappointment in bionicle is the fact that they hired a male voice after for Toa Gali (The only FEMALE toa).
+Ozzie Garcia I think they'll fix it on the Netflix series.
+Cynthia Utz I hope to Mata Nui that happens.
My personal biggest disappointment was the lack of ignition movies
**glares at Noah Productions**
you tell'em
Imagine an alternate universe where Lego had let the comic writers continue the graphic novel series for years after Gen1 ended. That could've been amazing, since without new sets, the writers could've introduced new characters, creatures, and other things without having to use the characters being sold that year. Sadly, this will probably never happen.
I feel like Templar Studios should've been higher on the list. I really liked their work.
It ending prematurely and ending at all back in the day. I need more G1. Only G1.
Disappointment: At the very beginning of G1, the Rahi were the only villains you could buy. Young children could scrape together $8 for a Toa with relative ease, but the cheapest Rahi was $15. The most expensive was $90. It didn't help that they were somewhat uncommon to find in stores and each set contained two extremely-similar Rahi, making the price much higher than it needed to be. Thank goodness the Bohrok came afterwards.
Well, the point back then was to have the sets compete against, no matter what sets you had. Each Rahi set had 2 Rahi each so that they were able to compete; LEGO couldn't assume that the buyer had another set to use the Rahi against. And the Toa are effective enough at knocking their own masks off, so kids could just buy 2 Toa sets and be satisfied.
One of my favorite set lines is bionicle stars :(
The G1 story could have been expanded in so many ways. I really hope some talented writer will pick it up in the future, as a pet project or something, and write their own fan fiction fill-ins for the rest of the story.
I also really hope someone makes their own MNOG'esque kind of game. I loved those.
Solek.
+Deego the Great i'd like it if they were more like the first MNOG, i've only watched a walkthrough for the 2nd and it drove me nuts watching how long it takes to get out of ga-koro
I remember when I was younger and bionicle stars was pretty much announced to be the last sets. I WAS LEGIT PISSED OFF FOR A MONTH WITH LEGO, WHYY WOULD THEY DO THIS?!
I think I said this on the boards, but you should start a "Top MOCs of the Month" series, highlighting your favorite MOCs that you have seen each month...
templar studio were also involved in the music for early bionicle. the telescope music from the MNOG was an incredible piece of ambient music, shame it was kinda short :/
My #1 disappointment is that Bionicle sets drifted from a more technic reliant design. Things got simpler, and not in a way I'd say is positive. While the classic canister sets weren't exactly the most complex things, they did convey the robotic theme very well and at least attempted some sort of play function. Bohrok I consider to be the epitome of canister sets. Larger Titan sets got even more insane, delivering a complexity of design, play function, and general aesthetic, even if they did leave some flaws. Even with said flaws, they were inspired designs; showing the designers were hard at work, and leaving fans with a craving to create equally incredible constructs. This is not to say Bionicle come tell lacked complexity in its laters years, but such things could only be expect in the very large and expensive sets. Canister sets took a very linear design route. Gone were the days of Bohrok to Rakshi. All to be expected was the same general skeleton with different unique pieces
The Hordika got me in Bionicle.. ..I still think the suck.. SUCK IT NOSTALGIA!!
The G2 animations in general
To be quite frank they're really crap
+Atticus Smith even movies 12 and 3?
Atticus Smith what kind of reasons do they give?
+Kurona Chan The visuals in my opinon is good enough, if the animation was better then I would've appreciated it more.
Kurona Chan animation was good but it didnt have the legendary awesome vibe/concept as before
I think the G2 animations were fine. The problem was that they were the ONLY means of conveying the story of 2015 before the first book.
I was half-expecting #1 to be Solek. Even though that would have been disappointing, the #1 was still disappointing anyway, and the arguments for it being so were fairly bad.
The fact that people are frustrated that bionicle didn't get so good really shows how good it it and how it has gone into legend
Though today's number one disappointment was the fact that Lego cancelled Bionicle before it even went into it's promised 3rd year.
My Disappointments.#3 no 2006 movie#2 the end of g1#1 bionicle 2015
I was wondering when a new top 10 would show up! Well, I guess Viper, Eljay, Kahi, Venom, TakumaNuva, and Varderan will follow suit as usual.
I was expecting Gen 2 Gali's male voice to be on the list.
Biggest disappointment was the death of Makuta. A rushed one shot death is not how such an epic villain should die. So disappointed.
If you're talking about 2003, he didn't die
my biggest bionicle disappointment was the summer 2015 wave. the first g2 sets were by far my favorite sets, then it crashed. but the 2016 sets look amazing
To 5 BIONICLE 2015 sets overall (like a new years recap thing)
I think the greatest disappointment would be The Solis Magna Universe and the fact Bara Magna was hardly featured after 2009 along with Aqua Magna and Bota Magna.
you know what bionicle should have done was continue the stories and when we got a new character you could order it from lego so that way they wouldnt be wasting plastic and they wouldnt have to worry about sales because you would have to order it and they would make it for you based of the book characters like all the toa hagahs we missed out on smh
A pretty big disappointment was the reveal of Makuta of Metru Nui's true name, Teridax. The controversy it created made Farshtey hesitant to reveal names of any other characters. As such, he never told us the real name of The Shadowed One, even though he was planning to do so.
I personally dislike Teridax' name. With being called something as gritty and dark as 'Makuta', it was a letdown that the name sounded like something from an early teen's fantasy. "Everything's more impressive with an 'x'.", to quote someone.
GUYS, YOU KNOW HOW BIONICLE IS GETTING THAT 4 EPISODE THING ON NETFLIX, WELL, REMEMBER NINJAGO, IT STARTED WITH 4 EPISODES AS WELL, IF THIS NETFLIX SERIES IS POPULAR ENOUGH, WE MIGHT GET 12 EPISODE SEASONS LIKE WE DO FOR NINJAGO!
Same with Hero Factory. I guess LEGO wants to just test with 4 episodes before doing anything else
HEY GUY, LOOKS LIKE YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK
yah
4 is the number of LEGO. There is 4 numbers in LEGO. There was 4 BIONIClE Movies. There was originally 4 episodes of Ninjago and HF. Therefore, Solek confirmed
+brian55235 All hail Solek, the Av-Matoran king.
I actually like the fact we didn't have a theatrical movie or a tv show. it makes our passion something special shared between a tiny group.
I'm not sure how anymore but i actually saw web of shadows for the first time in theatres
God, all of this. All of it. The only disagreement I might have with this list is that most of the Hordika story was great, particularly in the books. I would only complain about Vakama's betrayal.
Hero factory started as a four episode miniseries.
I loved bionicle stars as a kid,and still do now because they're all just like little pocket sized bionicle said as I think them.
What about when we found out the Toa mata didn't have knees or elbows?
5:55 I didn't know I had a copy of a cancelled game. I thought it was a regular computer game. :/
I wonder where it is now...
Mr. Mayo pics or it didnt happen
We're gonna have a show now.
Bionicle: Journey to One coming on Netflix! Get Hyped as heck!
+King328 Crap, he mentioned it...
the only thing i'm disappointed of is the bionicle ending cuz the conclusion of choice wasn't put, they did say they were gonna end it in 2020 but they caused this conclusion by cancellation, if I had my way I say the ending of choice was 2008 & reboot the ignition line with some story changes including killing Teridax & Jaller being the final hero of bionicle while the rest stays the same including the formation of Inika & Matoro's sacrifice to save Mata Nui
Why is Kopaka 2015 clumsy!
I had no issue with 2005. Not my favourite, but I don't hate it.
What’s the music?
I think a theatrical movie with semi-realistic CGI would've been really interesting
The unfinished serials annoy me the most.
Same here. I've seen a lot of stories go unfinished: Bionicle, Acceleracers, Half-Life, Tron:Uprising, heck-even the original continuity for freaking STAR WARS seemed to have a unfinished ending(in my opinion, at least). It drives me crazy every time a series gets cancelled before it gets the chance to get its ending.
It would hav been so cool to see the toa inika get a movie
The first three Bionicle films are good!
It's not a disappointment!
T- 883 Well, let’s be realistic here, the characters weren’t set-based, the voice acting was wooden, and they started on Mask of Light, and not the original 2001 storyline.
Only thing I can say is no Inika or Mahri movies
Honestly, I grew up on the Ninjago TV show so I probably think it’s a lot better than it is, but I still love it.
There was a Netflix series for G2 Bionicle
I know someone may have said this to you already, but their is a bionicle 2016 tv series for Netflix on the way
11:20 omg ! you need to make your own storys man !
the only thing Lego needs to do for Bionicle is using the original parts again.
No, CCBS is way better
+Shiny Hunter Ness But it doesn't have the mechanic look, i'd like to see if LEGO remold all the Bionicle piece but instead of the fragile thin socket joints they mold in the CCBS system socket joints.
All other Lego themes are garbage in comparison to Bionicle's Lore, Story, Size and Style. The only other theme that comes close is Star Wars, and thats not an original idea! I don't get why Lego can't see and or develop the gold mine that is bionicle into its greatest potential, it makes me furious!
Lego's top 3 themes: bionicle, hero factory, and Star Wars.
I actually like #8. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it was made because of a movie called Revenge of the Sith.
Bionicle does actually appear in the LEGO movie, for a split second on screen whilst Wildstyle is telling Emit about all the other universes out there.
Yeah, but she mentions it in her "universes that we shouldn't talk about" list A.K.A Her "universes that are crap" list.
Journey to one wasn’t as good as we expected 😔
The Mata Nui robot: Build a great world, and then tear it down in favour of a desert world with very basic forest and ocean moons. I've got star wars for 1-biome planets
#1 disappointment=everything about the new line
#Netflixhype
+Atticus Smith no I love the Fandom. it will make MY life better if you let me have my opinion
2016 so far is looking to be a much better year for the sets. I doubt the story will be getting any better though.
+FluffySpork yea I just get the sets for the parts
+Gage Davis Except that it EXISTS. Most people never thought it would come back. We tried and our petitions paid off. Now stop whining.
#7 - That pisses me the fuck off! I can't believe this kind of news didn't become public! Bionicle would have been much better if they never fired him. Hell, maybe it would've gone on even longer.
I feel the biggest disappointment was not making any movies for the Mask of Life Saga.
+LuigiRulz324 Unfortunately that is where the series became darker and LEGO didn't want to risk it and considering how much bubble-wrap parents have wrapped around their kids and how overly-sensitive people are these days there is pretty much no chance of it happening.
Go look for Bionicle N17 he has made a Stop-motion film about the Voya Nui saga and plans on continuing.
Yeah I saw that film and it's pretty good but it's one of those things that just makes me want to see the Professionals do it even more.
yeah,
That G2 used CCBS
2010 got lucky here in iceland, bionicle the legend reborn did get a theatrical release. i dont know if other countries adapted this movie for theaters.
Im new in the bionicle world what's the cereal????
about #6, why do you think think the opportunities are missed like that? Even though i'm posting this way late after the video. And i wanted to add the fact that i just recently started studying the incredible bionicle plotline and see its potential (which means i'm still a die hard fan of it) i can see there are people (like me), who may take this project up and with some help revive it. but target the mature audience and not kids. like making a game and stuff
No you should compile all of the books, comic stories, and online story shorts, and release on giant "Legend of the Bionicle." Also include the bits with Angonce and Tren Krom and the core war and all of that Beginning beginning stuff. Basically start with the great beings arriving in Spherus Magna.
IN-TE-RE-ST-ING. Certainly, you do make quite a lot of sense. The bionicle storyline has some major plotholes. And great beings coming to Spherus magna would be quite interesting
+saba agniashvili not sure if that was sarcasm or not lol but look up the timeline on the wiki. It's all there
It's not a sarcasm, a bit of expansion of Greg's universe will always be apreciated. But still, something still is missing
I wish the Okoto online game had happened simply for the joy of people calling it "OOG"
Do the top 10 on the makutas. Or even better, Makuta Mocs, like my makuta ultron.
1:06 OF COURSE!!
you should make a new disappointment list talking about how bionicle is ending again
So, Mesonak, what do you think of the Solek set?
Greatest disappointment hands down was the cancellation of BIONICLE: The Album in 2002 :P
As much as I'd have liked the 01 PC game to have come out, the gameplay footage I've seen looked pretty terrible. I don't think the game would have been any good, personally.
Legends of Metru Nui almost being theatrical was actually known before Faber's blog post - articles on BZPower from back in 2003 mentioned a theatrical 2004 film (under the name "The Mask Maker", which I personally like better), but I'm kind of surprised that Web of Shadows was also almost theatrical.
Moreso than the lack of a 2015 TV show is second to me for the lack of any good 2015 story/characters/world building. Comics at the very least! I have no faith in the 2016 series at the moment, I think it'll be simple like the animations.
2005 was shoehorned in so no inika film. There was supposed to be a 2002 movie called Bionicle: The Swarm. Bionicle was cancelled.
I'm really confused over the whole Solek obsession. Can someone fill me in?
+Nick Flemens Basically I mentioned that I hated Solek with a passion on MakutaFest 2015 and it spawned a bunch of people determined to make my life a living nightmare. :P - Mesonak
+TTV Channel oh. I just thought it was some meme.
0mn0m8w31rdc4ndy It has ascended beyond a meme and became a reality, with the Solekian Wiki to prove it!
Stupid people doing stupid things
+jd bee they're just having fun. Something clearly you don't know how to do.
Hey TTV folks. I'd like to point out that I've noticed you banning a lot of topics, I get your reasoning, as you want people to write only conversations. It's not completely bad, as stuff like the first spam, but you're being too controlling. That's my opinion, and I'd imagine many others.