Perditus' absolute irrelevance in the lore is pretty funny too because his name is ripped straight from Latin and means "lost" or "the wasted/thrown away one"
I actually think Mata Nui had some interesting development during he's years, like: "I was called many things and wore many titles before... but never friend". And he wasn't really a gary stu, just look how many times he got kicked before winning every battle.
I believe they wanted Brutaka to be a character like Anakin Skywalker, but judging by how his character went all over the place in 2007, it feels like they either didn't know what to do with him or didn't have enough time to finish his arc
What about Nuhrii? He's built up as being a mask maker with dark intentions because of jealousy, so he tries to make an ultimate mask. (Sound familiar?) Unfortunately he gets trapped when going to retrieve the mask and it's never brought up again. G2 Makuta was basically the same character done right.
Makuta Miserix Literally every Matoran set of 2004 has that trait of jealousy going for them. In the end, Ahkmou is the only one who gets to do anything with it.
More of what I meant was, Nuhrii was about to make what was essentially going to be the G1 equivalent to the mask of ultimate power. That could've had so many good uses, but it's concept was dropped entirely. The only remnant we have of it is the non-canon "Mask of power" in the Ultimate Dume set.
Not only was Tuyet’s resurrection convoluted, it was also pointless. She gets brought back as this allegedly powerful being who could tip the scales due to Teridax not factoring in her survival... And all she does is argue with a few people about destroying the Matoran Universe, and then gets teleported out of it anyway. Nor do we ever see her use this stored power she allegedly has, so Tuyet is brought back to accomplish literally nothing. Like, why go through such a convoluted process to bring back a character, and then set them up as an unknown variable and lynchpin against Teridax, only to have her accomplish nothing and then be effortlessly whisked off by Teridax anyway?
Well, she was teleported to the fortress that the Cursed great being was being imprisoned in, and Greg confirmed she escaped with everyone else before Velika blew it up. I bet Greg had some future plans for her, along with everyone else that was in the fortress.
That would be a cool use for her. The Marendar (it's more of a lifeless machine than it is a character with emotions) was specifically designed by Angonce for killing Toa. Maybe it was never programmed to handle the full power of the Nui stone?
Makuta Miserix Not to mention, we know that Tuyet is the kind of person who would create a Toa Empire, the very thing Marendar was made to stop... And Marendar is attracted by Toa Power, which Tuyet is the most massive, current source for... Also, with the Nui Stone, could Tuyet create other Toa without sacrificing any of her own latent Power?
Another thing to mention about Brutaka was that he somehow KO'd the Toa Nuva and the six matoran with them in one shot, then never displayed that level of power again. As a side note, we never found out why Kapura had his super speed/teleportation ability, or how it works. Think about how awesome he could have been as a Toa.
I think his speed comes from some silly "art of war"-type philosophy that Vakama spurts and somehow makes Kapura actually literally move fast. That was a weird artifact of the story-telling in the first year.
Brutaka isn’t that powerful, it’s a case of comic book power level being employed. An antagonist needs to start off almost ungodly powerful & then be nerfed so the good guys can beat them.
Not sure about that first one, Brutaka has been pretty consistently shown to be extremely powerful. He took over the barraki by just showing up, stalemated _Teridax_ 1v1, took on an army of Skakdi together with Axonn and easily pushed the FoF team around even though all 5 members (amongst them, a Makuta) wanted him dead so they could fuck off.
I would say most of the Order of Mata Nui. It represents Greg's obsession with amoral and permanently angry characters, with no trust at all in redemption
I still think Dume would've made more sense as a great being then Velika. That way he could actually observe the effects of the free will and would have gone through the entire matoran lifecycle.
I don’t think there was a way that Velika being a great being could’ve been done well. It’s so out of no where, that it feels more like a joke than an actual story bit.
Personally, in my opinion for Mata Nui, he should've reverted to his Glatorian form instead of remaining in the mask, because it gives the other characters hope and inspiration, especially after he was hyped up for ten years and only ever appeared in a physical form in the Glatorian arc and technically in the Mask of Life. Plus, they did Ackar dirty by taking away his best friend. And I personally think it would be cool to see Mata Nui physically talking to the Toa be had overseen all this time. Ah, memories
Mata Nui did it because he believed if he stayed with them, they would blindy see him as a leader to follow, and in his journey through the universe, he concluded that blindy follow someone would make bad things (like what happened in the MU and Spherus Magna)
I feel like he should've shown up to help against Marendar. An Eowyn-like "I AM NO TOA" thing but that would be a, pun intended, deus ex machina. Who knows what could've been
Mata Nui, Takanuva and Matoro all seem to be Messianic and/or Paragon Archetypes. Even Ekimu from Gen 2 seemed to be this. But the way they handled their characterization in movie and animation form, especially Mata Nui's and Ekimu's, leaves much to be desired. Indeed, as the mentioned in the video, because of the limited time and the fact that Bionicle G1 was coming to a close, Mata Nui come across as a bit Gary-Stuish rather then Messianic and Ekimu was...I don't know how to describe him.
Velika and Mata Nui were major curveballs. Mata Nui becoming a final protagonist and Velika a godly being hiding in a character that was a in a small average impulse set and suddenly responsible for characters having free wills and thoughts?
What about Vultraz? A Matoran that serves the Makuta, is one of the first shadow Matoran, and had an interesting rivalry with Order member Mazeka he had the makings of an interesting villain but then both of them fall into a random portal into another dimension and he’s stuck there to be experimented on to see how he became a shadow Matoran so other Teridax can show up in the main universe It feels like such a weak ending to that story
I just wonder how the story of Bionicle would of been different if it started out as a tv series instead of a toy line. Honestly the story of bionicle is just so *awesome* but couldn’t of been fully fleshed out due to the limit of how marketable every major plot point is to buildable sets.
Air-headed Aviator I feel like we would have had substantially less figures if it happened in the reverse order. With the story coming first as a single medium I feel like they would have honed much more on particular characters and lines; excluding what would have been "irrelevant" to portraying coherent story. Versus what we got which was lots of toys to boost play ultimately and a story that tied them together. But that's just my take :p I vote TTV answers this question in their next video!!
Okay I’m not saying I disagree with this list, but how do you have a list of weird Bionicle characters and NOT mention the Golden Skinned Being from Reign of Shadows and Sahmad’s Tale?
The golden skinned being isn't just the Piraka. Vezon isn't part of it, and it's also made with a Vortixx, a Steltian labourer and a Zyglak. And Teridax threw in some Antidermis.
Takanuva: "Don't worry guys, I'm going with you, you'll have a Toa on your side." Also Takanuva: "This barrier keeps out beings of light. Instead of figuring out a way around it, I'll just give up and go back home. Good luck guys, you powerless Matoran have it from here."
Honestly I kinda like how they did mata nui. A god reduced to a mortal form having to quickly adapt to a savage and brutal world foreign to him, all while he still manages to maintain his kind and valorous spirit. Of course he’s powerful, he’s still basically robot Jesus at that point. And it’s not like he got through all those fight effortlessly though sheer power.
Takanuva and the Toa Nuva should have been THE main characters throughout the entire story. When Mata Nui was banished, Takanuva should have gone with him.
I think the reason all this happened was a simple one: all bionicle written content was written by one person. And he simply didn't have time to flesh out every single character. Some shouldn't have existed goldskinnedtitanmarenderandvelika, but it there was more than one writer in house, things would have been better I think. I know there was a story team, but whose name is at the front of every 2004 and on book, comic, and story serial?
Basically, all of these can be explained as one of two things. For weirdness involving actual sets released, it’s executive meddling. For everything else, it’s the consequence of what greg farshtey described as him not planning anything out and literally making stuff up as he goes. It’s uh....an interesting approach to long narratives. I guess.
I have to agree about Brutaka! His redemption arc always seemed forced to me. It's like he's a naughty kid who got grounded and learned his lesson. 2006 Brutaka and 2007 Brutaka are two completely different characters.
My personal headcanon: Ekimu is Takanuva. After saving Mata Nui and the entire Bionicle Universe, but then becoming a glorified babysitter for the rediscovered Metru Nui and getting stuck in the alternate universes, Takanuva finally had enough of being a side character in what he sees as his story. After Spherus Magna was rejoined and as the various Toa and Glatorian were slowly killed off by their various enemies, Takanuva saw an opportunity; he used what he learned on his various adventures to lock away most of his power to become a Turaga and changed his name to Ekimu, making a name for himself in the new meta-civilization that was emerging from the fusion of the Matoran, Agori, Glatorian, and so many other groups, tribes and civilizations that had arisen when Bara, Aqua and Bota Magna had been separated. This meta-civilization would eventually become known as Okoto, and Takanuva, posing as Ekimu, would rise to a position of prominence and eventually authority in this new world, putting himself into a position to shape Okoto into a land of peace and prosperity, guided by his light and wisdom.
"Why does he call Makuta in G2 brother though?" some may ask. Simple; Makuta in G2 is Teridax from G1. As was revealed on Voya Nui, the Makuta are sentient clouds of gas (well, more or less...) that can exist for a time without a physical body which makes them extremely difficult to kill. Teridax's gaseous state wasn't completely eradicated when Bota Magna smashed into his robotic head at the end of G1, but he was severely injured by the impact; Teridax lost most of his memories and sense of self, but somehow managed to survive, probably by taking on unwilling hosts that he used to build himself a makeshift body that he then used to wander the wildlands and wastes of Spherus Magna until the forming of Okoto. Eventually, he was found and brought to Ekimu (Takanuva) who instantly recognized Teridax's spirit from the time the two were fused as Takutanuva, but Ekimu eventually realized that Teridax's mind was severely damaged and he suffered from massive gaps of memory. Ekimu felt that, thanks to his brief union with Makuta as Takutanuva, their spirits were kindred, that they shared a bond more brotherly than Makuta ever shared with Mata Nui, and (by his logic), light and shadow are brother elements, and so felt it was his duty to redeem Teridax for all the wrongs he inflicted on Mata Nui, the Toa and the Matoran. So, Ekimu took it on himself to fill in the gaps of Makuta's memory, carefully crafting stories of their shared past, how Makuta was Ekimu's long-lost brother, etc. But, part of Teridax that survived the impact of Bota Magna was his drive, ambition and jealousy, which eventually led to Makuta's betrayal of Ekimu in G2 and Ekimu restoring his Toa power to become the Toa of Light when Makuta's affinity with shadow powers led him to an alliance with the denizens of the Shadow Realm (an alliance that Makuta made when he sensed that Ekimu was hiding things from him) and releasing the Skeletal Army on Okoto.
well for me bit of a weird writing choice was Helryxs lack of cannon presentation, like she was so prominent and powerful character in lore yet no one took the effort to create her canonical representation and left us with nothing but imagination about how she could look like according to what we know about her and about universe and it's esthetic, i think this could go easily to honorable mentions
I was blown away by how convincing this video was. I'd already had those problems with Botar for years, and stuff like Mata Nui or Lesovikk seemed fairly obvious, but you managed to actually convince me that Brutaka, my *single favorite character in the series* , was written in a somewhat flawed manner. Not only that, but the humor was on point for every single argument, and I didn't really see it coming just *how* bizarre the writing of characters like Tuyet or Ancient was. The only one I didn't agree with? Takanuva. Stellar video. I should get back into TTV.
15:35 YO I just realized that the image used here was from my review video of Botar!!!!!!!! I never realized until I watched this again!!!!!! Thats lit!!!!! Edit: 20:45 MATA NUI THEY USED THE IMAGE FROM MY REVIEW AGAIN!!!!!
In gen 2, Kulta is probably the weirdest character. On top of having no origin or motivation, his title of "Skull Grinder" didn't even make sense since his weapon was a staff. He lead an army of skeletons while being a skeleton himself. How? Was he a lich? Or was he just raised alongside the rest of the skeletons that were raised with no explanation? He defeats all 6 Toa at the same time in a single attack, but then gets one-shot when Ekimu shoryukens him with his hammer. At least the Lord of Skull Spiders had the excuse of being an animal.
Almost every instance of weirdly/badly written characters in Bionicle is from the serials... which were written with no foresight or prior planning of the author... go figure.
Perditas being a complete nothing character could’ve made for such a good joke in series. Like imagine Velika has a big climactic moment where he reveals Perditas as one of his “most loyal servants” who has been “hiding among the ranks of the toa and glatorian and the like” only to be hit with the utter anticlimax of literally no one knowing who or where he is.
With Tuyet’s story with the multiverse part reminds me of the CW Flash when Wells from Earth 2 kinda becomes the Wells from Earth 1 but he wants to return to his Earth where he is originally from, while the Wells of Earth 1 is dead.
Not really; the entire storyline came about because Mata Nui neglected his internal universe and by doing so allowed the Makuta to do what they did. Not to mention he allowed Tuyet to be a horrible dictator in an alternate universe because he was still fine in functioning, despite the miserable atmosphere inside. Takanuva is Bionicle Jesus.
Honestly, I think Mata Nui was written weirdly not because he became the main character, but because of the reveal that he was really a giant robot and all of the previous stories took place either on or in him. That really rubbed me the wrong way because it ripped away a lot of the mysticism that Bionicle had built up over the years. Mata Nui was written as some kind of divine spiritual being, to the point where he was often referred to as "The Great Spirit", and making him something very different than that honestly kinda ruined the story of Bionicle for me.
@@MrAvakstone92 @Katie Lewis And? I completely get what KRX50 is saying. None of this robot stuff was ever detailed in any way up until 08/09 or so. We were given no real idea as to what any of it was, and it was just some cool technomagical robots fighting a mastermind until, whoops! Everything was in a giant robot made to repair a shattered planet so... you know, let's talk about that now! And don't worry, nothing's happening in the robot while Mata Nui is busy relearning his ABCs!
I liked this video a lot and really appreciated that it was long and had substance to it! I've been getting back in to the arcs I missed and was actually confused by some of the characters covered here. Now I realize... that's just the way it is. There's just some weird writing XD but I love it all anyway. Thanks Meso!
Wow almost all of my favorite characters are on this list. I really like how characters like Karzahni and lesovikk are almost written like Dark souls characters
Interesting fact: I just realised that in Polish and Ukrainian "Velika" (велика) litteraly means "The great", or "big". Looks like Velika was planned to be the great being from the very beggining! Lol...if it's true - its one of the best bionicle easter eggs.....in my opinion! P.s. sorry for possible mistakes in the text
In Polish "Wielka" means "big" or "great", but in this form the adjective is refering to female, for example "wielka kobieta" - "great woman", "wielki mężczyzna" - "great man"
How did the great beings make the bio mechanical beings that we all love? Did they simpply materialize them out of thin air with their power? Or did they assemble them like some extraterrestrial surgeons? If its the latter, where did they get the flesh?
While cleaning my house my mom was asking me about my bionicle books. God the nostalgia is strong. Nice that this video was here for me to re live a little of my childhood
I like how G2 Onua hates maces, but that's what he was given as a weapon. He has a big hammer or shovels as Master, and then as Uniter, he has a hammer/drill/stud shooter/mace thing. If you hate maces so much, go back to Ekimu and ask for your shovels back! I like shovel form anyway. Although Onua is wise and is peaceful by way of being wise, he looks like a brute, and looks best when he's punching things. That's why I gave Onua Uniter Terak's claws and Terak Onua's hands and the mace. Not only is it funny looking on Terak, but it looks better on Onua. Downside is that he can't bend back his hands, but he looks great with big mitts. So yeah, not the weirdest written thing, but I thought it was worth mentioning that Onua is stuck with a weapon he doesn't like.
I'll tell you who was weirdly written, the Great Beings. So, at first, Mata Nui WAS a Great Being fulfilling something of a God role. Then it turns out he was MADE by the Beings who were the original inhabitants of the Magna planet. But who or what they were and what happened to them was never explained to my satisfaction.
This is a great and interesting list Meso. And everything that you've said was pretty spot on. I would have also mentioned that the rest of residents of Bara Magna, especially Tuma were weirdly written too. This is mostly a nitpick of mine here, but recently I found myself thinking that Toa Helryx instead of Toa Lesovikk could have been introduced in 2007 and released as a product. It actually would have made more sense that way now that I think about and for two reasons. One, Helryx is the leader of the Order of Mata Nui and she could have been notified about Brutaka's betrayal, so Botar could have taken her to the Pit to deal with him when the conflict was taking place. And two, the Pit was in the deep and she's a Toa of Water. And the other Makuta - do you think they were weirdly written too?
Im not him, but Spiriha was a little weird. Why did he not kill Miserix and go along whit Krika? And why ask the Makuta for reinforcement, if they Goal was too loos and let the Toa awake Mata Nui? If you ignore Makuta Teridax Orders, it would be much easyer too send a weak Rahkshi Team too pretent. All Makutas are evil Geniuses, but only Krika find this fishy?
But there was an entire story about Brutaka in Makutas guide to the universe where he leads a group of reformed villains to find and rescue the first makuta imprisoned by terradax. I also believe it ties into takanuvas interdimensional adventure
Wait... but isn't botar like the perfect character to be killed by Icarax? Yeah the resurrection part is a little weird, but it's not him anymore. Botar is the one who made Teridax afraid, and him being killed by Icarax only shows how powerful the makuta is, and why Teridax fears him. Also the lack of story and everything just makes me not miss him much, as he was just there, teleporting a bunch of people away.
I'm pretty sure Botar's death was more to cement how strong Icarax is, rather than to make us feel for Botar. Botar had kinda cemented himself as this terrifying character every time he showed up, someone who even fellow Order members were hesitant to cross, so Icarax kicking his ass, easily even, was likely supposed to seem impressive.
Im really surprised you didn't include Good guy even though i wouldn't really consider them an actual Bionicle character. This is a joke however because GOOD GUY IS THE GOAT
somebody toucha ma spaghet it’s a quite from he Bionicle mask of light movie. After jalla says what are your doing here to takua, he says they have to go to the kohli game and then after that takua gets the mask of life
Mata-Nui wouldn’t have bugged me as much if he didn’t where the ignika, Ignika was his own character and he was reduced to an accessory for a more important character with the same freaking color scheme no less.
Yes, It would be even OK if Ignika would Died by the resurection. But no, he is still alive and cant move. But he had a new Roommate. Like Piccolo and Nale.
Not necessarily written poorly (I haven’t read many of the books) but I would’ve liked to have seen Zivon more. I actually built it after collecting all the Visorak, and subsequently never unbuilt it, thus effectively no longer having the 6 Visorak
Perditus only exists so the Thornatus can have a pilot action figure for kids to play with. I think most collectors would buy the Thornatus to stick Ackar, Kiina & Mata Nui on it for recreations of The Legend Reborn. Perditus would likely be left as just MOC parts or built just the once only to be dismantled later on for MOC resources.
Perditus' absolute irrelevance in the lore is pretty funny too because his name is ripped straight from Latin and means "lost" or "the wasted/thrown away one"
The moral of the story is that the original Bionicle wasn’t perfect. It was great, but not by any means perfect.
yup
If you think about it, nothing on earth is perfect soo..
nice profile pic memeretro lol
well said bionabot!
Yet one of the best stories of all time and nothing has reached anywhere its greatness yet.
I actually think Mata Nui had some interesting development during he's years, like:
"I was called many things and wore many titles before... but never friend".
And he wasn't really a gary stu, just look how many times he got kicked before winning every battle.
I believe they wanted Brutaka to be a character like Anakin Skywalker, but judging by how his character went all over the place in 2007, it feels like they either didn't know what to do with him or didn't have enough time to finish his arc
It still bugs that Karzoni’s mask was never made in an official set.
Jinx Jade Suletu was pretty close though
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Amanda Hahl what the fuck does that have to do with bionicle or this comment? Also did you really like your own comment?
@@ineedhugs456 no one fucking cares
I like the perditus who actually has plot relevance from Reviving Bionicle.
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What about Nuhrii? He's built up as being a mask maker with dark intentions because of jealousy, so he tries to make an ultimate mask. (Sound familiar?) Unfortunately he gets trapped when going to retrieve the mask and it's never brought up again. G2 Makuta was basically the same character done right.
Makuta Miserix
Literally every Matoran set of 2004 has that trait of jealousy going for them. In the end, Ahkmou is the only one who gets to do anything with it.
More of what I meant was, Nuhrii was about to make what was essentially going to be the G1 equivalent to the mask of ultimate power. That could've had so many good uses, but it's concept was dropped entirely. The only remnant we have of it is the non-canon "Mask of power" in the Ultimate Dume set.
The matoran spheres cut his plan short
Glad to see a traditional TTV top 10 video.
Yeah I've missed them.
Perditus isn't weirdly written.
Because he wasn't written at all.
He was born
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He's not in the story
That's because Tahu and Onua threw him in the parts bin
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Not only was Tuyet’s resurrection convoluted, it was also pointless. She gets brought back as this allegedly powerful being who could tip the scales due to Teridax not factoring in her survival...
And all she does is argue with a few people about destroying the Matoran Universe, and then gets teleported out of it anyway. Nor do we ever see her use this stored power she allegedly has, so Tuyet is brought back to accomplish literally nothing. Like, why go through such a convoluted process to bring back a character, and then set them up as an unknown variable and lynchpin against Teridax, only to have her accomplish nothing and then be effortlessly whisked off by Teridax anyway?
Well, she was teleported to the fortress that the Cursed great being was being imprisoned in, and Greg confirmed she escaped with everyone else before Velika blew it up. I bet Greg had some future plans for her, along with everyone else that was in the fortress.
Makuta Miserix Maybe something to do with Marendar the Toa killer?
That would be a cool use for her. The Marendar (it's more of a lifeless machine than it is a character with emotions) was specifically designed by Angonce for killing Toa. Maybe it was never programmed to handle the full power of the Nui stone?
Makuta Miserix Not to mention, we know that Tuyet is the kind of person who would create a Toa Empire, the very thing Marendar was made to stop... And Marendar is attracted by Toa Power, which Tuyet is the most massive, current source for...
Also, with the Nui Stone, could Tuyet create other Toa without sacrificing any of her own latent Power?
I think Toa are built if they're not created from evolving Matoran. And the Nui stone drains Toa power, not their souls.
This list could’ve had a LOT more than ten, in my opinion...
Tran Le oh yeah
Not a particularly hard list to fill up when it is bionicle you're talking about.
Who’s your number one honorable mention?
@@air-headedaviator1805 Tuma.
Another thing to mention about Brutaka was that he somehow KO'd the Toa Nuva and the six matoran with them in one shot, then never displayed that level of power again.
As a side note, we never found out why Kapura had his super speed/teleportation ability, or how it works. Think about how awesome he could have been as a Toa.
I think his speed comes from some silly "art of war"-type philosophy that Vakama spurts and somehow makes Kapura actually literally move fast.
That was a weird artifact of the story-telling in the first year.
Brutaka isn’t that powerful, it’s a case of comic book power level being employed. An antagonist needs to start off almost ungodly powerful & then be nerfed so the good guys can beat them.
Not sure about that first one, Brutaka has been pretty consistently shown to be extremely powerful.
He took over the barraki by just showing up, stalemated _Teridax_ 1v1, took on an army of Skakdi together with Axonn and easily pushed the FoF team around even though all 5 members (amongst them, a Makuta) wanted him dead so they could fuck off.
We do too know why Kapura was speedy, he practiced!
I would say most of the Order of Mata Nui. It represents Greg's obsession with amoral and permanently angry characters, with no trust at all in redemption
I still think Dume would've made more sense as a great being then Velika. That way he could actually observe the effects of the free will and would have gone through the entire matoran lifecycle.
Perditus still lives on in our hearts...
What are you talking about? Perditus is a murderous agent of Denmark who should be forgotten in the toy box .
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I don’t think there was a way that Velika being a great being could’ve been done well. It’s so out of no where, that it feels more like a joke than an actual story bit.
Personally, in my opinion for Mata Nui, he should've reverted to his Glatorian form instead of remaining in the mask, because it gives the other characters hope and inspiration, especially after he was hyped up for ten years and only ever appeared in a physical form in the Glatorian arc and technically in the Mask of Life.
Plus, they did Ackar dirty by taking away his best friend. And I personally think it would be cool to see Mata Nui physically talking to the Toa be had overseen all this time. Ah, memories
Mata Nui did it because he believed if he stayed with them, they would blindy see him as a leader to follow, and in his journey through the universe, he concluded that blindy follow someone would make bad things (like what happened in the MU and Spherus Magna)
I feel like he should've shown up to help against Marendar. An Eowyn-like "I AM NO TOA" thing but that would be a, pun intended, deus ex machina. Who knows what could've been
I think Mata Nui's prototype body shouldn't have been destroyed after his fight with Teridax, and he should've kept inhabiting that body.
I think Mata Nui could technically manipulate the Ignika's powers to make himself a new body if he really wanted to.
this is why i subscribed. good ol' traditional countdown videos.
Lessovik was honestly a better character in the toa empire alternate universe.
yep, he was pretty cool in that story.
Not only is Perditus an agent of what's-his-face, he's also a brainwashed agent of D.E.N.M.A.R.K, and a sympathetic villain! That has to count, right?
This Reverence, lol. Denmark was realy good Writen. I was realy surprised how good the Storytelling and Message was.
"I am *the* afraid"
I personally like Mata Nui I've always thought of him as Bionicle Jesus
Kemzal which is why i was so disappointed with his voice acting
Mata nui is God. Takanuva is bionicle Jesus.
His voice is badass though!
@@sporeham1674 well it's Mr worf from star trek the next generation
Mata Nui, Takanuva and Matoro all seem to be Messianic and/or Paragon Archetypes. Even Ekimu from Gen 2 seemed to be this. But the way they handled their characterization in movie and animation form, especially Mata Nui's and Ekimu's, leaves much to be desired.
Indeed, as the mentioned in the video, because of the limited time and the fact that Bionicle G1 was coming to a close, Mata Nui come across as a bit Gary-Stuish rather then Messianic and Ekimu was...I don't know how to describe him.
Velika and Mata Nui were major curveballs. Mata Nui becoming a final protagonist and Velika a godly being hiding in a character that was a in a small average impulse set and suddenly responsible for characters having free wills and thoughts?
What about Vultraz?
A Matoran that serves the Makuta, is one of the first shadow Matoran, and had an interesting rivalry with Order member Mazeka he had the makings of an interesting villain but then both of them fall into a random portal into another dimension and he’s stuck there to be experimented on to see how he became a shadow Matoran so other Teridax can show up in the main universe
It feels like such a weak ending to that story
teridax4 good point
I just wonder how the story of Bionicle would of been different if it started out as a tv series instead of a toy line. Honestly the story of bionicle is just so *awesome* but couldn’t of been fully fleshed out due to the limit of how marketable every major plot point is to buildable sets.
Air-headed Aviator I feel like we would have had substantially less figures if it happened in the reverse order. With the story coming first as a single medium I feel like they would have honed much more on particular characters and lines; excluding what would have been "irrelevant" to portraying coherent story. Versus what we got which was lots of toys to boost play ultimately and a story that tied them together. But that's just my take :p I vote TTV answers this question in their next video!!
I want too see a animated Bohrok.
Also Bionicle deserve a TV Show more whan Legend of Chima.
Okay I’m not saying I disagree with this list, but how do you have a list of weird Bionicle characters and NOT mention the Golden Skinned Being from Reign of Shadows and Sahmad’s Tale?
A.k.a the ultimate piraka
The golden skinned being isn't just the Piraka. Vezon isn't part of it, and it's also made with a Vortixx, a Steltian labourer and a Zyglak. And Teridax threw in some Antidermis.
Makuta Miserix it did seem like antidermis, but it was actually Zaktan (I know, but Greg said it was him).
Oh yeah, I forgot that Zaktan is actually Protodites.
You can't include a character which development wasn't developed in its entirely :v
Takanuva: "Don't worry guys, I'm going with you, you'll have a Toa on your side."
Also Takanuva: "This barrier keeps out beings of light. Instead of figuring out a way around it, I'll just give up and go back home. Good luck guys, you powerless Matoran have it from here."
Honestly I kinda like how they did mata nui. A god reduced to a mortal form having to quickly adapt to a savage and brutal world foreign to him, all while he still manages to maintain his kind and valorous spirit. Of course he’s powerful, he’s still basically robot Jesus at that point. And it’s not like he got through all those fight effortlessly though sheer power.
Carapar. He could've broken the "dumb brute" mold, but he became...Takadox's dumb brute. And was then killed off soon after leaving the pit.
One more thing that make lesovikk bad is his set.. My those joints break easily..
every lime green set in 2007 broke so easily, I mean Ehlek and Hahli broke all the goddamn time, I had these sets replaced like twice.
Alexander Becker, I have just posed ehlek and leave him in a glass cabinet, never to be touched just so he doesn't shatter
also his tiny excuse for a sword
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That scooter was pretty crap too
Takanuva and the Toa Nuva should have been THE main characters throughout the entire story. When Mata Nui was banished, Takanuva should have gone with him.
I think the reason all this happened was a simple one: all bionicle written content was written by one person. And he simply didn't have time to flesh out every single character. Some shouldn't have existed goldskinnedtitanmarenderandvelika, but it there was more than one writer in house, things would have been better I think. I know there was a story team, but whose name is at the front of every 2004 and on book, comic, and story serial?
Basically, all of these can be explained as one of two things. For weirdness involving actual sets released, it’s executive meddling. For everything else, it’s the consequence of what greg farshtey described as him not planning anything out and literally making stuff up as he goes. It’s uh....an interesting approach to long narratives. I guess.
@Katie Lewis Or IDW Transformers.
Finally a top 10 Bionicle video, but we didn't got a proper ending for G1 story :(
Finally a TTV BrickFeed Podcast, but Hero Factory has three unresolved cliffhangers :(
I have to agree about Brutaka! His redemption arc always seemed forced to me. It's like he's a naughty kid who got grounded and learned his lesson. 2006 Brutaka and 2007 Brutaka are two completely different characters.
My personal headcanon: Ekimu is Takanuva. After saving Mata Nui and the entire Bionicle Universe, but then becoming a glorified babysitter for the rediscovered Metru Nui and getting stuck in the alternate universes, Takanuva finally had enough of being a side character in what he sees as his story. After Spherus Magna was rejoined and as the various Toa and Glatorian were slowly killed off by their various enemies, Takanuva saw an opportunity; he used what he learned on his various adventures to lock away most of his power to become a Turaga and changed his name to Ekimu, making a name for himself in the new meta-civilization that was emerging from the fusion of the Matoran, Agori, Glatorian, and so many other groups, tribes and civilizations that had arisen when Bara, Aqua and Bota Magna had been separated. This meta-civilization would eventually become known as Okoto, and Takanuva, posing as Ekimu, would rise to a position of prominence and eventually authority in this new world, putting himself into a position to shape Okoto into a land of peace and prosperity, guided by his light and wisdom.
"Why does he call Makuta in G2 brother though?" some may ask. Simple; Makuta in G2 is Teridax from G1. As was revealed on Voya Nui, the Makuta are sentient clouds of gas (well, more or less...) that can exist for a time without a physical body which makes them extremely difficult to kill. Teridax's gaseous state wasn't completely eradicated when Bota Magna smashed into his robotic head at the end of G1, but he was severely injured by the impact; Teridax lost most of his memories and sense of self, but somehow managed to survive, probably by taking on unwilling hosts that he used to build himself a makeshift body that he then used to wander the wildlands and wastes of Spherus Magna until the forming of Okoto.
Eventually, he was found and brought to Ekimu (Takanuva) who instantly recognized Teridax's spirit from the time the two were fused as Takutanuva, but Ekimu eventually realized that Teridax's mind was severely damaged and he suffered from massive gaps of memory. Ekimu felt that, thanks to his brief union with Makuta as Takutanuva, their spirits were kindred, that they shared a bond more brotherly than Makuta ever shared with Mata Nui, and (by his logic), light and shadow are brother elements, and so felt it was his duty to redeem Teridax for all the wrongs he inflicted on Mata Nui, the Toa and the Matoran.
So, Ekimu took it on himself to fill in the gaps of Makuta's memory, carefully crafting stories of their shared past, how Makuta was Ekimu's long-lost brother, etc. But, part of Teridax that survived the impact of Bota Magna was his drive, ambition and jealousy, which eventually led to Makuta's betrayal of Ekimu in G2 and Ekimu restoring his Toa power to become the Toa of Light when Makuta's affinity with shadow powers led him to an alliance with the denizens of the Shadow Realm (an alliance that Makuta made when he sensed that Ekimu was hiding things from him) and releasing the Skeletal Army on Okoto.
This needs to be canon asap
well for me bit of a weird writing choice was Helryxs lack of cannon presentation, like she was so prominent and powerful character in lore yet no one took the effort to create her canonical representation and left us with nothing but imagination about how she could look like according to what we know about her and about universe and it's esthetic, i think this could go easily to honorable mentions
You know it's good when Mesonak hosts a top 10.
Edit: Thanks for the love, guys!
I was blown away by how convincing this video was. I'd already had those problems with Botar for years, and stuff like Mata Nui or Lesovikk seemed fairly obvious, but you managed to actually convince me that Brutaka, my *single favorite character in the series* , was written in a somewhat flawed manner. Not only that, but the humor was on point for every single argument, and I didn't really see it coming just *how* bizarre the writing of characters like Tuyet or Ancient was. The only one I didn't agree with? Takanuva. Stellar video. I should get back into TTV.
Lesovikk: the Boba Fett of Bionicle.
Hell no
15:35 YO I just realized that the image used here was from my review video of Botar!!!!!!!! I never realized until I watched this again!!!!!! Thats lit!!!!!
Edit: 20:45 MATA NUI THEY USED THE IMAGE FROM MY REVIEW AGAIN!!!!!
In gen 2, Kulta is probably the weirdest character. On top of having no origin or motivation, his title of "Skull Grinder" didn't even make sense since his weapon was a staff. He lead an army of skeletons while being a skeleton himself. How? Was he a lich? Or was he just raised alongside the rest of the skeletons that were raised with no explanation? He defeats all 6 Toa at the same time in a single attack, but then gets one-shot when Ekimu shoryukens him with his hammer. At least the Lord of Skull Spiders had the excuse of being an animal.
Almost every instance of weirdly/badly written characters in Bionicle is from the serials... which were written with no foresight or prior planning of the author... go figure.
So was the story made before, together or after the sets were finalized ?
Perditas being a complete nothing character could’ve made for such a good joke in series. Like imagine Velika has a big climactic moment where he reveals Perditas as one of his “most loyal servants” who has been “hiding among the ranks of the toa and glatorian and the like” only to be hit with the utter anticlimax of literally no one knowing who or where he is.
Finally, something Bionicle related!
Morak was forgotten once again
With Tuyet’s story with the multiverse part reminds me of the CW Flash when Wells from Earth 2 kinda becomes the Wells from Earth 1 but he wants to return to his Earth where he is originally from, while the Wells of Earth 1 is dead.
We were going to get Dinosaurs from Bota Magna............... 😭
Was I the only one who saw Botar coming after Brutaka’s entry?
Don't you think it makes sense that Mata Nui is a Gary Stu? I mean, he's basically bionicle Jesus
Not really; the entire storyline came about because Mata Nui neglected his internal universe and by doing so allowed the Makuta to do what they did. Not to mention he allowed Tuyet to be a horrible dictator in an alternate universe because he was still fine in functioning, despite the miserable atmosphere inside. Takanuva is Bionicle Jesus.
Honestly, I think Mata Nui was written weirdly not because he became the main character, but because of the reveal that he was really a giant robot and all of the previous stories took place either on or in him. That really rubbed me the wrong way because it ripped away a lot of the mysticism that Bionicle had built up over the years. Mata Nui was written as some kind of divine spiritual being, to the point where he was often referred to as "The Great Spirit", and making him something very different than that honestly kinda ruined the story of Bionicle for me.
Actually, Mata Nui being a robot was the basis of all BIONICLE story
@@MrAvakstone92 @Katie Lewis And? I completely get what KRX50 is saying. None of this robot stuff was ever detailed in any way up until 08/09 or so. We were given no real idea as to what any of it was, and it was just some cool technomagical robots fighting a mastermind until, whoops! Everything was in a giant robot made to repair a shattered planet so... you know, let's talk about that now! And don't worry, nothing's happening in the robot while Mata Nui is busy relearning his ABCs!
I liked this video a lot and really appreciated that it was long and had substance to it! I've been getting back in to the arcs I missed and was actually confused by some of the characters covered here. Now I realize... that's just the way it is. There's just some weird writing XD but I love it all anyway. Thanks Meso!
You did skip the part where brutaka led the suicide squad
lesovikk part of the FIRST toa team? with a rep like that you'd think that would hold a lot of weight but, i really couldn't care less for the guy.
so funny, as the intro is playing I can already hear the background music in my head b/c of all the other top 10s by TTV xD
Wow almost all of my favorite characters are on this list. I really like how characters like Karzahni and lesovikk are almost written like Dark souls characters
Interesting fact: I just realised that in Polish and Ukrainian "Velika" (велика) litteraly means "The great", or "big". Looks like Velika was planned to be the great being from the very beggining! Lol...if it's true - its one of the best bionicle easter eggs.....in my opinion!
P.s. sorry for possible mistakes in the text
In Polish "Wielka" means "big" or "great", but in this form the adjective is refering to female, for example "wielka kobieta" - "great woman", "wielki mężczyzna" - "great man"
Velika:guys I'm a God of gods-
Every other matoran:Guys velika has another riddle what could it mean....
Velika:. . ,
#Bring Bionicle back
Half an hour of the same music looped... I think that could be done better, more music variety in the Top Tens :P
Such great potential
I relate most with Perditus tbh
same dude
*looks around cautiously*
Hail Denmark!
Funny thing, we got an entire short story explaining Nihdiki's origins, but almost nothing about Krekka, would that count as weird?
I think he was just kinda...
there
as in he was always a Dark Hunter and was too mentally lacking to ever really be able to do anything interesting
Mata Nui went from god to like just some guy lol
LoSS is a meme more than it is a character.
The more I learn about the Bionicle story the less competent the Order of Mata-Nui seems.
How did the great beings make the bio mechanical beings that we all love? Did they simpply materialize them out of thin air with their power? Or did they assemble them like some extraterrestrial surgeons? If its the latter, where did they get the flesh?
While cleaning my house my mom was asking me about my bionicle books. God the nostalgia is strong. Nice that this video was here for me to re live a little of my childhood
I like how G2 Onua hates maces, but that's what he was given as a weapon. He has a big hammer or shovels as Master, and then as Uniter, he has a hammer/drill/stud shooter/mace thing. If you hate maces so much, go back to Ekimu and ask for your shovels back! I like shovel form anyway. Although Onua is wise and is peaceful by way of being wise, he looks like a brute, and looks best when he's punching things. That's why I gave Onua Uniter Terak's claws and Terak Onua's hands and the mace. Not only is it funny looking on Terak, but it looks better on Onua. Downside is that he can't bend back his hands, but he looks great with big mitts. So yeah, not the weirdest written thing, but I thought it was worth mentioning that Onua is stuck with a weapon he doesn't like.
When is that mentioned? Also I think Onua didn't have time to be ungrateful lol
too busy saving Okoto
they whole bara magna plotline is just bionicle borderlands
I'll tell you who was weirdly written, the Great Beings. So, at first, Mata Nui WAS a Great Being fulfilling something of a God role. Then it turns out he was MADE by the Beings who were the original inhabitants of the Magna planet. But who or what they were and what happened to them was never explained to my satisfaction.
is this LOSS???
Lord
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Spiders
I think Ekimu is more than deserving of the mention than LoSS. A major character has more weight than a blank henchman
This is a great and interesting list Meso. And everything that you've said was pretty spot on. I would have also mentioned that the rest of residents of Bara Magna, especially Tuma were weirdly written too. This is mostly a nitpick of mine here, but recently I found myself thinking that Toa Helryx instead of Toa Lesovikk could have been introduced in 2007 and released as a product. It actually would have made more sense that way now that I think about and for two reasons. One, Helryx is the leader of the Order of Mata Nui and she could have been notified about Brutaka's betrayal, so Botar could have taken her to the Pit to deal with him when the conflict was taking place. And two, the Pit was in the deep and she's a Toa of Water. And the other Makuta - do you think they were weirdly written too?
Im not him, but Spiriha was a little weird. Why did he not kill Miserix and go along whit Krika?
And why ask the Makuta for reinforcement, if they Goal was too loos and let the Toa awake Mata Nui? If you ignore Makuta Teridax Orders, it would be much easyer too send a weak Rahkshi Team too pretent. All Makutas are evil Geniuses, but only Krika find this fishy?
But there was an entire story about Brutaka in Makutas guide to the universe where he leads a group of reformed villains to find and rescue the first makuta imprisoned by terradax. I also believe it ties into takanuvas interdimensional adventure
Wait... but isn't botar like the perfect character to be killed by Icarax? Yeah the resurrection part is a little weird, but it's not him anymore. Botar is the one who made Teridax afraid, and him being killed by Icarax only shows how powerful the makuta is, and why Teridax fears him. Also the lack of story and everything just makes me not miss him much, as he was just there, teleporting a bunch of people away.
Great vid and nice list.
If gen 2 Pohatu isn't here I WILL BE MAD! He was an Aussie who disliked scorpios, and turned into a regular dude who hated scorpions
YOU MAD BRO?
sorry... couldn't resist.
Scott JS don’t worry bout it...
IM MAD BRO
screw you (/j)
Pohatu was super cool in G2
like come on who else has BOOMERANGS?
THAT TURN INTO SHOES FOR HIS SHOES!
Where is Greg now?
He's Voliki now.
This is the content we want. Thanks
GREAT SCOTT A BIONICLE VIDEO!
I'm pretty sure Botar's death was more to cement how strong Icarax is, rather than to make us feel for Botar.
Botar had kinda cemented himself as this terrifying character every time he showed up, someone who even fellow Order members were hesitant to cross, so Icarax kicking his ass, easily even, was likely supposed to seem impressive.
Im really surprised you didn't include Good guy even though i wouldn't really consider them an actual Bionicle character.
This is a joke however because GOOD GUY IS THE GOAT
Finally a new bionicle video
TAKUA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMMM HHERRE JALLLER!!!
Lol
I dont know what to reply
somebody toucha ma spaghet what are you doing here all alone!?
somebody toucha ma spaghet it’s a quite from he Bionicle mask of light movie. After jalla says what are your doing here to takua, he says they have to go to the kohli game and then after that takua gets the mask of life
This might sound really hypocritical but FINALLY a new bionicle video!
Velia is the best character ever
Mazeka and Light Teridax were also disappointingly not used at all after starring in a really neat serial
I think Vultraz and Mazeka were pretty oddly written, the inter dimensional hoo ha always kinda was weird to me.
Whats the background song?
Ive been asking & searching for a long time, yet I am still ever clueless.
didnt know botar died.that made me sad. i liked botar. poor poor poor botar. good video. RIP botar. 200 and something to some point.
Have u read the treatment that was written for the 5th movie? It really expanded on mata nuis character growth
Mata-Nui wouldn’t have bugged me as much if he didn’t where the ignika, Ignika was his own character and he was reduced to an accessory for a more important character with the same freaking color scheme no less.
Yes, It would be even OK if Ignika would Died by the resurection. But no, he is still alive and cant move. But he had a new Roommate. Like Piccolo and Nale.
I dunno the Ignika had a pretty simple brain, according to the story
I personally don't think there was a whole lot to do there
You know, Velikiy translates as "The Great" from the Russian
I dunno if Greg planned it, but if he did, that's some 4d chess moves
maybe that's what influenced so many people in the poll?
-Ivan Velikiy-
This feels more like a top 10 of characters with wasted potentials than weirdly written, maybe with the exception of Tuyet.
The mighty tuma is the mighty tuna fish!
actually made me laugh
I kinda feel bad for ancient
Not necessarily written poorly (I haven’t read many of the books) but I would’ve liked to have seen Zivon more. I actually built it after collecting all the Visorak, and subsequently never unbuilt it, thus effectively no longer having the 6 Visorak
Perditus only exists so the Thornatus can have a pilot action figure for kids to play with.
I think most collectors would buy the Thornatus to stick Ackar, Kiina & Mata Nui on it for recreations of The Legend Reborn. Perditus would likely be left as just MOC parts or built just the once only to be dismantled later on for MOC resources.
noooo please no moccing
the joints can't handle that stress
@@Waddlez3121 LEGO is MEANT to be dismantled and rebuilt constantly.
If parts can't handle that then they're poorly designed.
Actual god is a gary sue? Who knew~
I was so into Bionicle when I was younger and never knew half this shit