From Batson to Binary: The History of Captain Marvel | Canon Ball
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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"Expect her to pop up some more now that the normies have heard of her"
This is the entire comic industry in one paragraph
Comic-Gate is real.
Jason Todd. Back in the day, no one cared, and he only showed up once in a while as a d list insane fuckhead he tried to kill people because of his emotional problems. Now that people know more about him, he's basically a superpowered Ninja Punisher who only loses fights because plot.
Kinda funny actually...
@@NoBody-lj5xh Since when did he become that? I thought he only was a guy with guns and daddy issues.
The worst part is that he was right.
so carol was at her best in the black suit is what i'm getting? for real tho, THATS the carol / captain marvel that i know. when i only had a "oh right. that" kind of interest in comics, if that name was ever brought it up it was that appearance of her and from what i've gathered elsewhere, she did better in her smaller roles than all this PUSH in a manic attempt to make her a big focus. you can't force those kinds of things otherwise...you get this.
Sad that Marvel doesn't know what to do with her.
I think she's cool. Just a victim of bad writing.
Litteraly the story of her life.
I don't know her much, but I heard her runs as Miss Marvel were good, so this is likely. I think character concepts in themselves are rarely bad. It's the writing around them that can be.
She was always cool as Ms. marvel and when she was apart of the avengers.
@River where she fought Karla Sofen?
@River Oh!! When she pulled Mac out of the suit? Hahaha!!
Man, the Billy's deaths in the alternate universes annoyed me. They're mostly done for shock values; and now, I can't stop thinking of the fact that both Superman and Wonderwoman killed him when they hang out together.
Also, his death in Injustice was bullcrap. Captain Marvel canonically survived being inverted inside out by a laser and coming out fine, yet Superman's eye-rays were enough to melt his brain? They could have at least killed Shazam off in his depowered kid form like Wonderwoman did in Flashpoint.
But you've got to remember that Superman in this timeline doesn't hold back, and also most characters are more balanced than usual, so previous feats seem redundant.
@@sirbruno95 I get that Supes doesnt hold back, but come on, that is just ridicilous. Shazam can survive against his heat vision. He won't get down _that_ easy. The writers are really being inconsistent with their power levels.
And previous feats seems redundant argument is just stupid.
@@unknownuser8967 I've seen people argue that its was the depowered form but the fight intros contradict that one.
>mfw every game that will feature Carol Danvers most certainly will not have her Ms. Marvel(both versions) suit as an alternate because she's now some kinda feminist icon and her suits are "demeaning" and "sexist"
What a shame. Also i have to mention that Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes had THE best Ms. Marvel and the best suit which was an interesting mix of her original suit and that sexy classic swimsuit that we come(heh... come) to love. Plust she was voiced by Jennifer Hale which is always a win in my book.
The next game is Ultimate Aliance 3 where she’s the principal protagonist so yeah I’m with to not buy this game
funny enough MVCI does have her Miss marvel as a alt costume and is good looking
Morrigan101 true
Her Warbird outfit is better than her modern outfit imo and that version of the character is also way better than modern captian marvel lol civil war 2 really fucked her over
Well she was created to be a feminist character from her inception in the 70's *and* had the red Ms. Marvel costume. Which was even more revealing than the more iconic black one. Her being a feminist from the early days was one of the reasons she was often left in obscurity until recent years.
Carol was pretty much was character assassinated by both the comics and the actress who played her. I feel like they should have just did Monica and introduced Carol later on.
I'd like the Vell family to get some focus as well.
Dont forget the writters of the movie, who made sure she had no personality.
I think the current comics and MCU's main problem now is we have all of these heroes but dont know what they fight for. Like, they just seem to do it because they can. We don't see what DRIVES them to take up the fight. We don't see what inspires them to fight. We just see them...fight. And that's not really compelling.
Bree Larson was fine, but the way shes been written lately is rather wrong. You should try to wipe away and fan favorite characters past, that be like saying nightwing and red hood where never Robin and didn't meet batman.
I’m so happy I got the Roman Reigns reference 😁
321 Shazam
I was a happier man before I saw that, because that was a good point. Marvel's pushing Carol without having a clue on what to do with her much like WWE's push for Roman Reigns. And neither situation is all that complicated...Well on paper anyway...
Nice,wrestling fans who got the reference
I only know it from a hobbydrama post
I want to like Carol as Captain Marvel but I hated her up until her miniseries The Life Of Captain Marvel where I started liking her. It was ruined immediately after with the first villain of her comic being a literal sexist that wants to put a baby in her for a strong heir
Why did they have her take on Mar-Vell's star costume? It's one of my least favorite costumes of any superhero ever. Carol's Ms. Marvel outfit is pretty cool. It's simple, it's feminine, it's unique.
Also, Kamala Khan's real name is 100 times cooler than her superhero name.
Mainly cause it covers everything cause male gaze bad
All puritanism mindset cant show skin
@@gbdeck200 They could have just given her pants.
The biggest issue with Carol Danvers is that she was retconed to fit an agenda. It’s the same with the majority of the most beloved Marvel characters as well as their “new” characters: forced to fit the same agenda. Then comes the bad writing(or “ok but in the wrong genre” writing).
Ironically as a kid, I used to always call Captain Marvel (Billy), Shazam & now decades later, that's officially his name. I liked Monica as Capt. Marvel & it was the 1st time, as a kid, that I saw a black woman lead a hero team (followed by X-man, Storm). Carol was cool, back when she was Ms Marvel. I really don't like the character that much anymore.
The problem is that allot of comic readers are male and modern writers think the only way to write "Strong Female Characters" is to undermine the pre established male characters.
Lazy writting.
We saw it in Ant-Man 2, in order to make The Wasp look "cool", they made Ant-Man look like an idiot
@@Jose-se9pu As I recall, it was Ant-Man's plan at the end of the film that he and the Wasp were able to take down Ghost.
Edit: Outside of X-Men. A series that produced strong female characters alongside their male counterparts since the 70's.
It is funny how characters such as Storm, Rogue and Kitty Pryde exist in the same universe as those you mentioned, in modern Marvel.
I liked Genis Vell. More for the "starry night" aesthetic and when he went crazy, than anything else. They did the twinned with Rick Jones with him too, if memory serves.
It is a shame that to raise Carol's profile, they are throwing the legacy of the Vell family under the bus.
Even going so far as to retcon Carol's origin to diminish Mar-Vell's role.
I really liked carol danvers as ms. Marvel with the iconic black outfit, she was strong but feminine, was a great team player and fun to read about.
Disney, stop trying to make Carol Danvers happening, is not gonna happen
At least not the way they have been handling her.
I hope Ultimate Alliance 3 does something good with Carol, after the movie and comic run it may help salvage some goodwill
I'm not digging her design in the game though. It's too masculine, which is weird considering Team Ninja is making the game. At least the X-Men are going to be in it.
@@harlannguyen4048 Carol looking masculine has been a problem for a while. I'm hoping they add skins from her older comics to fix the issue.
I am more of a fan of the original captain marvel billy baston and his marvel family Mary marvel and captain marvel junior but that’s just my opinion
@Trevor Anthony i can understand that but i preferred him being Captain marvel because that's his original name but that's just my opinion.
12:04 "Carol hits 'em with the *BIG DAWG* "
Honestly after watching this video again I imagined a Marvel/DC Crossover where each company's 'Marvel Family' team up to stop a multiversal crisis and the culprit of the crisis is MF Enterprises Captain Marvel who's universe was destroyed by cosmic beings who took him prisoner, he managed to overthrow them with the aid of the other prisoners (likely other failed, obscure and forgotten characters), gains godlike power from overthrowing them and becoming aware of the 'Marvels' from both universes, despising them for being able to continue existing as super heroes and carrying a mantle he believes is his so he seeks to destroy them. I also imagined that since (as far as I am aware) the DC Marvels can share their powers and most Marvel...er..Marvels can absorb energy that they use these abilities to combine the entirety of their powers, fusing magic with power cosmic and destroying MF Captain Marvel. I know it sounds like a retarded story, especially since I have to make up a convoluted backstory for how MF Marvel can even pose a threat to the combined might of all the heroes but I do like the idea of all these call backs and recognizing the history of the name as well as having Marvel and DC heroes working together and having an awesome moment where they fuse their powers to become even more god like. I dunno, for some reason hearing about these obscure, stupid characters makes me think of story potentials for them and how they could be revived. I also have thought about stories for the Jojo rip off Diesel and recently learned of a crossover character that showed up in MK's Defenders of the Realm that I now want to see again. Maybe I am just weird.
Even though dozens of heroes have used the name "Captain Marvel", to me Billy Batson will always the only one that I'll refer to by that name. It's mainly because I was introduced to him via Justice League Unlimited, and subsequent media such Brave and the Bold, Young Justice, Public Enemies, and The Return of Black Adam all referred to him as "Captain Marvel", so it's the name that stuck with me ever since and I still call him by that to this day. Plus, Shazam is just a dumb name for him because every time he introduces himself he always turns back into Billy and his secret identity is revealed.
i like Carol,i hope they do something to helped her out soon because it hurts me to know these things
I only liked her when she was Ms. marvel
@@AndreNitroX I became a fan of her around her ms marvel days,like I said in just hope.she gets better writers so she doesn't become another super man
@@phantasmic1000 good point, I enjoyed her presence in the avengers team when she was ms. marvel, she was a heavy hitter but was kind and a good friend to all the team members.
This was a nice summation. I notice most videos along this line tend to ignore all the other Captain Marvel's so it's good see more coverage for them.
As I've said, making Carol Captain Marvel was a BIG mistake and replacing her with an identity represented Kamala Khan was just as bad. Kamala may have distanced herself from Carol but she's still badly written. I hope a retcon story has Carol still Ms. Marvel and she was captured and replaced by the Skrulls and Kamala dies attempting to save her.
If Marvel can't do the name Captain Marvel justice then they're better off just letting DC reclaim the name. Billy Batson is the TRUE Captain Marvel after all. DC has Wonder Woman and Marvel has Wonder Man and yet they are two completely different characters; let DC have Captain Marvel and Marvel have Ms. Marvel.
Not necessarily. I'm suggesting Captain Marvel Carol is actually a Skrull doing horrible acts in the form of Carol Danvers while Ms Marvel Carol is in captivity and Kamala is idolizing the wrong Carol. When Kamala discovers the REAL Carol is imprisoned, she saves her but dies in the process and then it ends with a fight between Ms. Carol & (Fake) Captain Carol. Afterward, Carol continues to be Ms. Marvel so as to distance herself from the original Captain Marvel as well as the fake version of her.
I fuck wit khan her comics are funny and grounded....people just need to get over the fact that she ain’t a white man cause it’s literally just them bitching everytime a mantle gets passed to someone who isn’t white or male....get over it.
This ain't about the Kamala not being a white man, it's about the fact that she wasn't created well and is meant to be a Politically Correct puppet. She's not written to be a hero. She did NOTHING to earn the name Ms. Marvel, she just chose to take the name for herself.
Dude harsh. I get you don't like her that doesn't mean you have to kill her off. Maybe in the hands of a better writer she can become a great character, we seen that happen for other characters so why not her?
Indeed, that is a good idea. I don't like her as she is but my idea of killing her off didn't exactly stem from that. The idea stems from when Captain America first gave up the stars and stripes to become Nomad. It took a kid wearing the suit dying at the hands of Red Skull to convince him to take up the stars and stripes again. As an arc, Kamala's death would help restore Carol as Ms. Marvel. If there is a better idea on how to fix Kamala and Carol, I'd love to hear it.
Captain Feminist.
I don’t care about this shit history about this so-called name/character copyright war bullshit,
Billy Batson is still the true Captain Marvel and Carol Danvers is just Ms. Marvel with different clothes.
Edit: 2:11 “He disappeared from obscurity where he f***ing belongs” Quote of the Century.
Dude, saw Shazam on Tuesday. Shit was tight! 17/20!
Thank you for mentioning the body splitting Captain Marvel
IKR😂😂😂
Explains why they keep her in that form, cant have the name go back so every failure just relaunches, hence ransom power spikes and new sibling half kree, anything to keep the rights
All so dumb, let her go back to miss marvel and stop shoving her into evey possible story
The very lucky moment MARVEL loses the rights of the title and DC gets it back is a moment I become a proud, happy man.
Don't hold your breath.
You have as much chance of that as DC reverting the Watchmen rights back to their creators...
Miles doing the grim reaper pose from Death of Captain Marvel says a lot about how botched Civil War 2 was. They realized they fucked up, but it was too late to add anything more than this visual reference to let people know that
Another video I watched that was discussing Carol speculates that Marvel isn't trying to make a female equivalent to Captain America, they are instead trying to make Carol their Wonder Woman since they don't really have a stand alone female hero like Wonder Woman, all their popular females are team heroes, Sue Storm, Storm, Jean Grey, Carol Danvers, etc. Honestly I could see that being the case though they aren't doing a very good job with it at all. Either way, with how progressive Marvel is trying and failing to be, I am surprised they ignored chance to use Monica and have yet another black super hero as well as a woman in a lead role. It seems like it'd be a wet dream for them and yet they went for the white version and just have Monica as a kid to look up to her instead of her dad who is nonexistent so they instead made her come from a stereotypical single mother household. I really don't know what Marvel actually wants to do with Captain Marvel, and I don't think Marvel does either.
Sensational She-Hulk would be a far better standalone woman lead.
@@The4thSnake I agree, I would love to see She-Hulk, so long as its not the current one. Just saw some screen shots of her and she just looks like regular Hulk with longer hair and tits.
it was weird for me at first with Captain Marvel becoming Shazam but i like Shazam as his name more now
In a fight Captain Marvel would win
The real one
So, why are Marvel so attached to the "Captain Marvel" name anyway, if they don't seem to have any idea what to do with it? What's wrong with letting Ms. Marvel be Ms. Marvel, and letting the character everyone recognizes as Captain Marvel be Captain Marvel?
Sure it's a little weird at first, hearing "Oh, Captain Marvel isn't a Marvel character? What's up with that?" but then you just get over it. You google it "Oh, Captain Marvel predates Marvel. That makes sense," then you move on.
Because it has "Marvel" in the name. It's be embarrassing for their main rival to ahve it instead of them. Like if Marvel had Captain DC.
Marvel could make a hero called "The Detective," and call his series "The Detective Comic."
There SHOULD be a Mortal Kombat Street Fighter crossover so Johnny Cage can punch Dan in the balls
Please make more comic book videos. They are so fascinating
Who’s dare dislike this video will pay the consequences
One thing that sort of confuses me now with Shazam is: of that's also his hero name, if he saves someone and their like "Who are you?" How is he supposed to say his name without turning into Billy? I'm sure that in the comics there's been a few instances where he's had to refer to himself by name, and the explanation is probably something like "If he doesn't say it with the intention of transforming he's fine" but still...
If only Marvel Comics had obtained the license for Captain Marvel (the Character). With how poplar he used to be in the 40's he could've been the start of the MCU or something like that.
Considering that Marvel went bankrupt in the 90's they would havd sold him.
where's UK's Marvelman? i'm being honest as you talked about the Shazam's version but you left out UK's Mick Anglo's Version too from the 50's era as Marvel not long ago back in 2009 bought it from Mick, and now they own him completely.
I think Carol could have been a great CM, I love her, I liked it when she became CM, but God, they mishandle and write her fucking horribly, give her uninteresting stories and make her fucking unlikable (CWII, calling Magneto a “internet guy who compares everyone to Hitler”, refusing to apologize to Tony and joking about putting him into a coma)
I didn't know Marvel had so many Captain Marvels. I only knew about Mar-Vell, Noh-Varr, & Carol Danvers
@The4thSnake I don’t want to spoil anything but the new MK11 story is absolute shit. Bad writing galore, character consistency is by far the worst it’s ever been and they completely destroy any potential that NRS created. I actually enjoyed and defended 9/X’s story mode, but this story is indefensible. I’m eagerly waiting for you to rip it to shreds.
I bet 4thSnake’s review of MK11 is gonna be 3 according to the story leaks
Have you heard of this other obscure hero? He doesn't have a resurgence like Cap. Marvel, but he's still interesting to look back on. Reptil, anyone?
Wasn't he in Super Hero Squad ? The dino guy ?
Yep. That was one of the only things he was good for, as he barely made any appearances outside of that and was killed off in the comics. Glad someone remembers that show, though.
@@SandwitchZebra He used to be my favorite on the team because his power was so cool. I don't know why he was chosen in the main roster when there were plenty of more popular heroes but I'm glad he was in regardless. Marvel should use him more, he has potential.
I still call Shazam Captain Marvel because Shazam can’t call himself that or he will turn back so Captain Marvel makes sense
Civil War 2 was one of the worst things in recent comic history and i wish it never happened bc it's fucking awful
It's almost as if reality itself is trying to tell Marvel that the "Captain Marvel" name *does not* and *should not* belong to them...
Bruh... you are going to hate the mk11 storyline. 😔😔😔😔 this one was the worst one by far.
Of course I’ve heard of genis-vell we all have right
A muslim-teenage-superhero-fangirl of pakistani descent... that's a mouthful
The Captain marvel movie wasn't terrible by its self but when compared to any of the other movies it is Samuel Jackson was the best part of the movie
People need to let Civil War 2 go, Carol and Tony have already made up and if people can forgive Tony Stark for CW 1, i don't see why it can't be done for Carol, and if it makes anyone feel better, she has her long hair back lol
4th greatest canon ball ever ❤
What are the other 3?
Good show
I honestly hate how Monica has to constantly give her name for other characters, expect her to eventually give up Spectrum too! I swear to God she gets treated like trash!
Carol is Roman Reigns? Shit that is bad.
I actually call shazam/captain marvel bolt guy
I miss Carol Danvers Mrs Marvel
I love Carol and all but ultimate mahr vehl is a Chad
Would Monica rambeu be a better captain marvel
Most likely, yes.
The4thSnake Marvel clearly loves to sideline Monica for Carol.
I like this video
The reason justice league sucked is because of joss wheadon.
I actually really like the Carptain Marvel movie, but I do acknowledge that the biggest problem was that it seemed that a lot of the 'advertising' was how much controversy the movie and lead could drum up. Saw SHAZAM too, really liked both films, but in different ways.
Captain marvel was great...
...said no one ever
Well Shazam sounds better anyways
Not really, that's the name Freddy went by when he was the sole champion of magic when Billy succeeded the Wizard Shazam as the Wizard Marvel.
How is the Captain Marvel movie 'over-politicised'? The actual movie has the most tame, 'women are equal' message you could possibly have.
"Politicised" and "political" are not the same thing. I'm talking about the media discussion surrounding it.
I thought the movie was good like a 7.5/10, and I never cared about the trolls or the rest of the drama I just wanted to see a Marvel movie and I got one but I am hoping the Russo brothers fix her character like with Tony, Steve, and Thor
Ah, a fan of Full Fat Videos, I take it?
@@The4thSnake Yeah I've seen there Marvel videos
When is there gonna be an INJUSTICE 2 critique
Should I still watch the captain marvel movie? I heard it’s bad, but very important if I’m going to understand endgame
It's alright. May as well give it a go.
It's not going to Netflix. It's going to Disney's new service.
I'm not sure.
@ThatOneGuy 123 Infinity War, Ragnarok, Panther, and AM&W are currently on Netflix. Solo was added not long ago as well.
Honestly captain marvel is fine, dull but fine, the movie though is badly made and awkward a lot of the time, I think carol should do better in endgame.
Huh. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Marvelman/ Miracleman.
I did, very briefly.
@@The4thSnake Huh. Somehow I missed that.
I think she's cool beans, this video was just kinda being passive aggressive the entire time. I kept waiting for some rays of hope but none came.
I mean i can see why. Marvel is handling her badly in my opinion. She shouldn't have this much controversy surrounding her especially when she was well liked as Ms. Marvel.
You missed out marvel girl Jean grey. Although not related to the captain marvel mantle it would be good to see how marvel girl feel out of favour to just be Jean grey
2:36 Devil May Cry? I can't find what that is without getting info on the game series instead
I think he is talking about the game series.
I am.
Hey man do you still like Assassin’s Creed? If so what did you think of Odyssey and what do you think of the Vikings leak that happened month’s ago
I like Odyssey, though the DLC is underwhelming. Vikings could be cool, but I just want Japan.
The4thSnake thanks
The4thSnake hey by the way was which one would you say is the worst Assassin’s creed entry
@@presidentofidiots520 I guess Unity? 3 was pretty bad as well, but Haytham was a joy to watch onscreen.
The4thSnake bout’ unity they’re apparently using it to rebuild the Notre Dame
I think Carol is fine and Captain Marvel is one of the best Marvel movies yet.