I've had both, KTM and Aprilia and the Tuono Factory is much more refined than the Super Duke. This perfect package and the howling sound puts a big smile on your face, every time you ride it and more like on the KTM. Because you feel absolutely secure and have the feeling that this bike is always capable to do much more than you are able to do. Even on the Stilfser Joch in the Alps with its very narrow serpentines, the Tuono gives you that perfect stable feeling and a lot of trust. The KTM is far more unstable, more than ever on bumpy roads. If you are a Power Cruiser, you can take the Super Duke. If you are a sports driver, you should always prefer the Tuono Factory.
My money? KTM Someone else's money? Streetfighter. Which I'd then sell, buy the KTM and bank the saving for the odd track day, tyres, fuel and possible teething issues 😂
Too bad I already have the 2020 SuperDuke R, and for me there is no going back. It’s been two months now and over 1100 smiling miles later am loving it. With V3 150mm Slip on from the boys at AustinRacing it’s sounds fantastic.
It's been since first weekend of August,no owners manual yet only have 720 kilometers. KTM say 3hp increase no way! On the dyno vs 2019 model,172hp vs 153hp. I put thr Austin V3 200mm without db-killer. Love this bike,haven't got a clue why there 6 gears. These dyno readings are Canadian. Found half decent small fairing company from France. Going wait see over winter if theirs better protection.
Had my Gen 3 SD for 3 years, it’s a better road bike than the V 4 as got low down torque you need, not all top end power. Ducati have realised that and given 2023 bike more power low down.
Yes am also a Corvette owner,along with 2020 1290 SDR. Just a note why KTM said 3hp increase over last year model,well that's wrong before i put my full Akrapovic exhaust. I dyno it at 172hp vs 153hp for 2019 model. Now these are Canadian bikes.
@@geraldperry7779 did the 2019 model also had a full exhaust (and mapping)? I own a gen2 and I have to try the gen3, but I read a lot of electronically problems with the gen3 (mostly the evo model with electronic suspension).
Acceleration on that ZH2 is just insane. Yet you can use it as an everyday bike. It will be the most reliable too. The Ducati is beautiful with a great soundtrack. The KTM is obviously a torque monster and fun to ride but I'm not convinced by their reliability record. You pay your money and take your choice. I'm very intrigued by the new Triumph 1200 Speed Triple. That could be the boss of them all. We will have to wait and see.
I know that lots of people don't like the KTM style, but jeez, could the Kwaka be uglier? It looks like they made it as ugly as they could and then smacked it with a frying pan! And if I'm going to be spending all that money, I think I want it to be something more than "Just another UJM". And I'm interested in a road bike, not a track bike. And the reason I want a road bike is that I'm "getting on a bit", so I want a bike that is, above all, fun. having to have the engine turning at 8,000 revs is not my idea of fun. TBH, being associated with the (predominantly, not exclusively) elitist Ducatisti fills me with the same level of ennui as being associated with BMWs. It's not necessarily something that would break the deal, but it'd have to be a whole lot of better to persuade me. OTOH, KTM seem to have hit the sweet spot of "yawn, it's a UJM" and "yawn, it's just more Italian exotica being ridden by some twat from accounting" (and I've certainly met more than enough of THOSE. And add into that mix is the fact that the SDR is the only V twin in the field, and I've got a very soft spot for those Vs, and I have a good idea of which will be under me in about 8 months' time. None of them! I'm waiting for the SDGT. But, I will be test riding those that I can. Those that won't let me test their €20,000 machine, but expect me to buy it, sight unseen, can go and F**k themselves...sideways.
@@davidcolin6519 "I know that lots of people don't like the KTM style, but jeez, could the Kwaka be uglier? It looks like they made it as ugly as they could and then smacked it with a frying pan!" You perfectly nailed it, my friend!
I own an SDR 2015 and looking forward to get the ZH2. With regard to looks, I prefer the Z than the SDR and SF V4. The Z looks weird in photos/videos but when I saw it in flesh I fell in love with it.
EXCELLENT ! NO favoritism here , just the facts.. I have had my order in for Ducati Street fighter V 4 S since mid November last year. Due to the pandemic in Italy, delay in building the units. Bike came in a few weeks ago, I passed on it, left my deposit , will get the first 2021 the dealer receives, should be in December. Will give me time too save up for Akrapovic race exhaust.. Still enjoying my 2017 1299 Panigale S . Just turned 20.000 trouble free miles this week in 1.5 years of riding. Ride safe everyone
Awesome purchase man. I have a friend who’s also kinda lost interest and decided not to continue with his purchase due to the pandemic. Because of that I have one less riding buddy for this year.
Hi Glenn, I can really understand your choice concerning design, brakes and chassis. But don't you think that the 1299 Panigale and den SF V4S are simply too loud nowadays? More and more roads are closed due to noise disturbance from motorcycles. And the laws are becoming more and more strict. If we want to avoid to sit an silent E-Bikes in the future, we should all care about our motorcycles being to too loud. And 106 dB just in engine idle are M U C H too loud! And there is one other thing: why should I purchase a 208 BHP Power Naked if I have less than 140 BHP below 10.000 rpm and not so much torque, either? If you are rinding narrow country roads or if you go to the mountains, the Ducati is just much less powerful than an Aprilia Tuono because you can never reach the highest rpm where the SF V4S reaches its abnormal power and acceleration. The Ducati's characteristic is made for race track use only. And if you like to go there, your already purchased 1299 Panigale is the much better bike to ride on!
@@kssi488 Interesting reply. I could be wrong, the Akra exhaust on my 1299 is not offensively loud below 7,000 RPM. They are not strict here in N. Carolina about noise levels.We have a lot of WONDERFUL winding country roads and the low end response is wonderful , so not a lot of up and downshifting needed. It so maneuverable due too it's light weight. I do take it too the track a few times a year, YOU are correct , the 1299 is at home there,, BEGS to be ridden hard, BUT it lets you know whose the boss, RESPECT me or i will chew you up and spit you out ! In stop and go traffic , this is my everyday transportation, idles fine just let the clutch and go YES the family jewels get a little toasty when it's about 90 degrees lol. And again NOT loud at all. Hoping I'm as pleased with the S.F. V4 S as the Panigale. Have not had the pleasure of riding the Aprilla, my second choice, Prefer the electronics and looks of the Ducati. E BIKE,,, NEVER , over my dead body !. Guess I'm showing my age. Soon to be 72, 175 lbs. 6 foot , I fit perfect on the 1299 S.. Hit 20,000 miles this weekend on a 5 hr. trip. YES we are a perfect match.. OH, dyno results ,,198 rear wheel horse weighed in @ 398 lbs. Please be safe out there.
@@Mr100asd Hi Glenn, okay, you can be happy to be a US citizen according to noise limits. We here in good old Europe have some strict regulations about the sound pressure produced by a motorcycle. In idle mode, the SF V4S has 106 dB, which is really a lot. Soon, we will also have a regulation about the sound in idle mode just because of bikes like the Ducati and that drives me crazy, you know. I think you should keep your 1299 because the motor of the V4 of the SF is a castrated dog below 10.000 rps and afterwards an absolute hellhound. This characteristic is not suitable for a Power Naked bike. There's a significant lack of torque below 10.000 rpm and the bike feels more like a 750 ccm than a 1100 ccm. I would really suggest you to have a longer test ride with the Streetfighter before your purchase. The only thing, I would prefer the SF over your Panigale would be that the Naked Bike is much less demanding and easier to handle and it's seat position is much more comfortable than on the Pani.
@@kssi488 I will NEVER sell the 1299. My other Ducati is a 2016 Monster 1200 S.. Comfortable and smooth. BUT, there is ALWAYS that but, 35 lbs. heaver and shy about 70 horse,, doesn't do it for me. IT is for sale , only 1,760 miles.YES sooo comfortable too ride, AND able to have a passenger. Impressed with your knowledge. IF I'm not happy with the S.F.,, up for sale. my next Panigale will be a 2022 R,, lord willing. The years are catching up lol ..
I've tested all three models intensively, now: Ducati 1100 Street Fighter V4 "Normale", Kawasaki Z H2 and KTM 1290 Super Duke R 3.0 If it's all about driving pleasure, handling, stability, preciseness and riding comfort, the absolute clear No. 1 of these three is the Ducati. She put's a smile on your face every time you will ride her! This bike - without the Marchesini rims and Öhlins - has absolute phantastic driving capacities! And only the Aprilia 1100 V4 Tuono Factory can reach the same qualities. I'd say, the Ducati with Öhlins damper but regular and not forged rims would be the best Power Naked in the world, now. Second place in this test is the KTM 1290 Super Duke R. She's not as handy, precise and curve stable as the Ducati but she's doing a very good job, although. The handling is inspiring the confidence of the driver, the KTM always feels pretty manageable, the brakes are fine and the seat position is rather active and comfortable. Unfortunately, the transmission of the gearbox is a mess. The 4., 5. and 6. gear are much too long. Thus, the bike's performance within the elasticity tests is contrastable lousy to the Ducati and the Kawa. And the WP Apex damping system is not as good as the Ducati's Showa/Sachs combination if it comes to bumpy roads and higher speed. Then, the KTM stats to lose its regular very good stability. But the Super Duke has great benefits in everyday use. the fuel consumption is absolutely okay for such a powerful bike. The passenger seat is absolutely acceptable and KTM offers panniers as an option. Third place is clearly the Kawa. The only sporty aspect of this bike is the 200 HP engine. This one creates a lot of fun during acceleration and elasticity tests and the twittering sound of the compressor makes you smile all the time. But that's the only good thing, I can tell about the Kawa apart from an acceptable riding comfort. This bike is not a regular and sporty Power Naked, but more a kind of Power Cruiser like the Ducati Diavel and the Triumph Rocket 3. Compared to the other two Power Nakeds, the Kawa is too heavy and not really handy at a sporty speed. You are more sitting "in" the bike and not "on" the bike, which makes the seat position rather passive. The brakes offer less preciseness and are less aggressive than with the other two bikes and the chassis feels less stable on bumpy roads. A great flaw is also the fuel consumption. During my test, the Kawa needed over 10 liters per 100 km. This is definitely too much. Summary: Wich bike would I suggest to a regular sporty driver? Well, it's the KTM. And that's because of the every day qualities. The bike is really sporty and easy to handle. If you shorten the transmission a bit, you can always enjoy one of the most powerful and likable engines in the field and maybe the best V2 of the world. The KTM always delivers and is even capable to host a passenger humanely. So, why don't I suggest the Ducati, even if I think it's the best Power Naked, now? Well, it's because of 3 major issues: 1. The noise The Ducati is much too loud. Within the street normal RPM range up the 8000, the exhaust is giving you a headache. Therefore you tend to run the bike at higher RPM all the time, which means you are always driving much too fast. During my test on regular country roads, I've found out that my speed always has been in the region above 130 km/h. And if you don't have a look at the speedo, you won't feel such fast, because the bike is so running perfectly. 2.The fuel consumption Within my test, the fuel warning lamp flashed already after 100 km. This means 12 / 100 km. And that is not acceptable from my point of view. Even if you drive very slowly, you don't get the Ducati below 7 liter per 100 km. 3. The seat position If you enter the Ducati for the first time, you might be really happy with the astonishing comfortable seat position. But after one hour of driving, you start to explore that the footrests are mounted much too low and too much front. Even if the bar position seems to be perfect, your legs will start to feel a little bit uncomfortable. After a one hour drive, my knees and my buttocks started aching because of the strange arrangement of the footrests. If I would buy a Ducati, the first thing that I would change is the footrests to a higher and more rear position like on the Aprilia Tuono.
I own the 2021 Ducati Streetfighter V4 S. Best bike I’ve ever owned! Not just for the speed and power, but it has the best brakes and suspension. The way it handles is just awesome. It’s like skydiving, I could try to tell you how awesome it is, but you have to experience it yourself to really understand! Even riding at slow speeds is great, but it is so easy to ride fast! Must be careful!!! All the other bikes are great too. I think it comes down to personal preference. You can’t go wrong with any of them.
KTM will make you giggle most. Torque is there BEST" street power". It's still a wild child but sent to charm school. Independent dynos also point to the KTM being a mere 10 HP down on the Ducati. And 20 Ft Lbs UP on it. AT 3500 RPM the KTM is AT the Ducati torque peak which needs 10,000 RPM to be reached. KTM nailed it.. Best Street Super Naked.
Let's say, the KTM makes you smile the most because of her characterful Big Block V2. But I have to confess, that my Tuono Factory 2018 has made me smile even more like with my 1290 SD-R. Why? Because the sound of the Tuono is also adorable! The handling of the Tuono has been and still is unbeatable. And if you compare the acceleration in the 5th and 6th gear from the KTM with the Aprilia, you can see that the Tuono is even 1 second faster in all disciplines than the Super Duke. That's because the gear ratio from KTM is much too long and the Aprilia's is refined. Practically, on normal street use, the Tuono is therefore faster and more agile than the KTM. This only changes if you exchange the front sprocket of the KTM from 17 to 16 teeth. But then it's still a tie race and no advantage for the KTM. Remember: torque alone is not everything.
Konrad Schmidt-Sibeth Owned a T 1000 v4. Agree mostly. The KTM torque makes instant acceleration so street-accessible--at semi-legal speeds. Gearing on KTM is too high. $25 fix. The T was too compact and race-oriented position and the engine was wonderful--addictive over 8000 rpm. At that point I'm over 100 mph and too cop attracting. The 1000 had a nasty warm start issue and timing chain rattle. Thinking these are not an issue on the 1100? I'll be looking hard at any new version Tuono though but I need less "committed" seating position. It's still likely the best naked if pure speed is the goal.
@@tomtraynor5384 Hey Tom, you really can't compare the 1000 V4 with the 1100 V4. The newer motor is much more refined and stable than the old one that had a lot of technical issues. And it's more powerful according torque. With the Brembo M50 calipers and the 330 mm Brembo brake discs, the performance of the 1100 since 2017 is much, much better than before. It's reference class. If you take the 2019 model the damping system is even more comfortable, precise and homogenous than with the older models. The Aprilia Tuono Factory 2019 is still the world's greatest and best Power Naked bike, even if some of the other bikes may have more maximum power. The complete package of Aprilia is unbeatable for 5 years, now. But I fear that Aprilia will make the big mistake in 2021 to put the motor of the RSV4 into the new Tuono to achieve more than 200 bhp. So, maybe the 2019 model will be the last Tuono with the optimum package of chassis, motor and handling.
Having been lucky enough to have owned lots of different sports and super-nakeds over the years I can honestly say that my Z H2 is the easiest to ride, most civilized brutal accelerating fun to ride bike I've owned. As I said on a previous video review, I bought it purely on the Visordown review, no test drive required. je ne regrette rien .
@@kirkdunn1379I had a Ducati Streefighter v4s. I exchanged it for a ZH2, because of the unreliability of the Italian. The Kawa is much more versatile than the Ducat. It is heavier, therefore less manageable. But on the road it is more balanced and easier to drive. And the Kawa's engine... it's unique and also very solid and consumes less than the Ducati. If you put a sports exhaust (approved) on it, what a sound! Too bad Ducati doesn't know how to make reliable motorcycles...
I love Super Duke power delivery. Truthfully, middle weight bikes are more the Goldilocks as their power more manageable for the street. We need Halo bikes to show off the newest tech that will be used later in the smaller bikes.
labcoent co not quite. As the throttle response and power delivery are different on the Tuono. Oh and lets not forget the Tuono is cheaper then an RSV4.
@labcoent co that's definitely wrong. The Tuono is much more refined for street use than the RSV4. It's damping system allows much more comfort on bumpy roads. And the motor has much more midrange power. And the handling is less stiff and less exhausting like on the RSV4. But the most important thing is the seat position. On my Tuono Factory, I've been able to do 4000 km trips and up to 600 km ranges within one day through the Alps and in the south of France without getting tired or having aches in my wrists, knees or buttocks. I won't suggest you to do the same with an RSV4.
@labcoent co Sorry, but may I correct you, my friend? The Super Duke R has been the naked version of the RC8. So, it is the same origin like the other Power Nakeds. From my perspective, this is not a fault but a very interesting concept. If you do your homework properly, it's not only putting a wider handle bar on a super Bike, it's much more.Take the Aprilia and the BMW for example. They both have different motors from the Super Bike with a complete different setting more midrange torque and less maximum power. If you ask me: it's the concept of a Super Naked to take the Super Bike as the base of development.
Superduke still is the ultimate choice because ZH2 and Ducati Streetfighter are made to compete with KTM Superduke. Plus it wheelies without any supercharger in the engine.
i can wheelie my 220-HP Streetfighter at will !! yes i had a KTM SDR, this Ducati blows it away in every area !! Hard to hold onto at 11k-rpm, i blink and i was doing 140-mph, that never happened on the KTM!!
@@michaeljkasnter Hi Michael, that's only because KTM has put a much too long gear ratio on the SD-R. If you change the front sprocket just to one tooth shorter, the Ducati will only have an advantage beyond 200 km/h. But can or should you drive as fast aside the race track or the autobahn? NO, YOU SHOULDN'T. Have a look at the torque curves o both bikes. Then you can see, which one is the obviously more powerful on for street use. Your 220 PS don't count on country road or in the mountains. And wheelies are also possible with 600 ccm bikes. This is not a matter of power. If we are talking about real Power Nakeds per definitionem, the KTM is the archetyp. And the SF just looks like one.
The ktm is the most true naked sport the other two resemble their super sport too much. The duke started from the ground up with no super sport to get ideas from unlike the other 2.
lol ..... the Kawa is super sport? I suppose, you didn't take the Kawa for a ride, so far. This one is a dragster in disguise and a Power Cruiser. But it's got nothing to do with sports of any kind.
@@LizardMane the first naked bikes were made by aftermarket modders taking sports bikes and removing it's fairings and anything else they deemed "unnecessary", so in a way, the real naked bikes are really just the sportbikes with fairings removed.
Incorrect. The ZH2 is not a stripped down sports bike. It's a designed for the road proper super naked.The KTM has far to many issues to be considered a serious buy.
@@fyorbane yeah but still its too similiar to the super sport version it got most of its ideas from that bike which isnt bad. the duke has no super sport to get ideas from it is all 100 percent pure.
@@fyorbane I'd like to know what those "Issues" are. I've owned kwakas in the past and they have been reliable. But the supposed number one for reliability is Honda. And I have had sooooo many issues with Hondas over the years that I will no longer even entertain the idea that I might buy one. Yet I, personally have had 3 KTMs, I know of a lot of other riders who have had other models of KTM, from Enduros to Big V twins and none of them have come even close to the troubles that I, on my own, had with just Hondas! As I've said before, it seems that the reputation of a motorcycle manufacturers' products seems to be suspiciously tied to their advertising budget. As such, I am far more sceptical of media reports on the reliability of a specific brand, and far more conscious of what people that I know. But please, I'd like to know your own, personal experiences with both KTM and Kawasaki. I, personally, know that the cycle parts on Kwakas tend to wear out far quicker than the other Big 4 machines, for example.
@@davidcolin6519 Ok. Several test bikes have had issues. Switch gear and random warning signals from the dash seem to be the main issues. Richy vida's test Sdr had a major failure. I have been riding bikes since 1978 and have owned many bikes mainly from the big 4 Japenese. But I have never had issues with them apart from a couple of Yamaha's which were electrical in nature. Sorry to hear about your issues with Honda. That is quite rare. With Ktm go on the forums. A friend of mine had one and had several issues.
@@fyorbane Yeah, I started in 77, so I might even remember more. GSXR wheels collapsing, The Comstar wheel scandal, The ZX550/750 Carb fiasco, the first Suzuki TL clutches not being fit for purpose (and there was a fix, but there never was a recall) or the TL damper woes or Ducati's collapsing rear wheel bearings, Guzzi's electrical woes and BMW's QC problems that are still continuing after over 15 years. Of course, you've then got Aprilia's sprag clutch woes and Kawasaki's limited lieftime on their cycle parts (though their engines remain, to this day, pretty much unburstable) But hey! Let's centre on software glitches on early production models, righto! Really, I'm not trying to downplay these problems, but in the grand scheme of things, these really are glitches, and the sort of glitch that tends to be relatively easy (and even cheap for the factory) to sort. And what really, really boils my piss is that the big 4 get a free pass, as does BMW. Nor is it just German and Japanese bikes that get the free pass. Their cars can be just as troublesome, but tell that to most people and they'll look at you as if you're mad. My point is that I have known lots and lots of KTM owners and bikes, I've had 3 myself, and these glitches are being held up as typical of KTMs, and they're not at all. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that there are probably more KTMs in my village (mountains in Spain)than any other brand and they are generally regarded as being extremely tough. And I have no doubt at all that these glitches will be sorted. That is something I can't say of the response of many manufacturers.
I’d take the KTM, light, handles great and heaps of low down power. Ducati is cool but having a bike that only comes alive at 8000rpm is a pain in the ass. My street triple 765rs is like that. And if you’re doing over 8000rpm in any gear on the 765 say goodbye licence, and that’s only with 120bhp not > 200 like the ducati. Kawasaki is abit too heavy for my liking
You should try a Speed Triple RS. It has a lot more low down grunt than the Street Triple RS. You don't have to rev the nuts of it. You get the grunt up to the legal limit ( and after if you want to lose your licence ) Whereas the Street Triple it does only come alive when you're already going fast. I had a Street Triple S 94 BHP 660cc and test rode the 765RS before I got a Speed Triple RS. The 765RS is a very good bike, but yeah you have to rev it. Don't have to do that on the 1050cc Speed Triple. The Arrows cans on the RS sound brilliant. The main downside of the Speed Triple to the Street Triple is it has a frickin smaller fuel tank, and does drink a little bit more petrol. It's slightly heavier (20 extra kg, nothing like the Z H2's huge mass !), but I only notice that when pushing it around. Handling in the bends I can't tell much of a difference, probably need a better rider than me to notice that . The Speed Triple has keyless ignition. Why anyone thought that was a good idea on a bike sure beats me.
KarlosH I have ridden a speed triple 2012 model, and I found the engine alittle cumbersome. It just doesn’t rev up quickly. I understand in recent years triumph have made the internals lighter so it spins up faster. To be fair I haven’t ridden the lastest model
@@karlosh9286 Thanks for then input. I'll be testing the 1050 Speed Triple along with the Katooms. I have to say that most comparisons have the 1050 losing out to the 1050, but everybody has different needs, maybe the Trumpet will meet mine better than the SDR/GT. That's why we have test rides, isn't it?
In all the group tests if u really listen to what they say there is no clear winner.. all top 3 bikes are winners. It just depends what ur after out of a bike. Knox, mcn etc. U can't make one best bike for everyone.
markmcc21 markmcc21 actually if you really listen, most of these reviews lean towards a certain bike without explicitly saying which bike. They don’t even have to say it out loud. MCN actually ranked them as follows: tuono, sdr, sfv4, mt10, zh2 if you actually listened and watched it. Visordown even made a comparative review between sfv4 and zh2. Although they did not say it out loud you can feel they actually favor zh2 over sfv4. Not that zh2 is a bad bike but compared to other thoroughbreds, it leaves much to be desired considering the hype behind it. If it’s not for the supercharger, no one would be talking about it. Not to mention its ugly looks and mediocre suspension. Its also fat ass heavy.
@@bjornmayrina7024 well if u really really listen ul find they all have good points and bad points..and if u really really try harder to listen ul see that some bikes are better track winner and some are better road winners and do it all type winners etc. No one bike is the winner for everyone..everyone has different needs and requirements. How do u know so much about the zh2? Do u own one to qualify such comments? Iv owned 2 of the tested bikes and tested the SF demo. All great bikes. No clear winner..depends on my mood that day. Did u listen?
markmcc21 oh i have listened junior. Have you? Most of the results of the reviews are consistent with the others except fir this one. What does that tell you? Obviously you haven’t listened to one of them except for his review. And obviously you have read my post but didn’t comprehend what i was saying.
@@bjornmayrina7024 maybe take ur glasses off or wax out ur ears old man and u may hear pr see better next time u watch. Try watching the knox vid. Praise for the zh2. But also praise for the sdr. Both winners. Again ur winner isn't the same as my winner. Or someone else's winner. There is no looser. All great bikes that have good points and bad points. One that wins on track will loose on touring. One that has a flexible multi use engine isn't gona win for character. Etc etc. Once u have owned these bikes than maybe ur opinion on them might be of some weight. Until then all u can do is ride the opinion of these small handful of journalists and keep doing ur reading up on them. Ride them old man and then we'll talk 👍🏾
I think it would be like saying which is the favourite of your children. The answer is not one you can answer, however like bikes they each have their pros and cons. Awesome review! 👍😎
great review. glad to see some appriciation the zh2. just over 3k miles on mine and i love every second of it. one thing a lot of people also forget is the value you get with the zh2. its thousands cheaper then the duke and ducati and you are getting an amazing machine. not to mention its pretty exotic. most hate the looks, i love it. green should have been the only color. end of the day, they all look awesome and are incredible machines. cheers.
The only thing that probably makes the 2021Speed Triple better than the Ducati is the better midrange power. By definition that fits pretty much better on a Power Naked. According to design, chassis, brakes, electronics and handling, my bet would still be on the SF V4S.
agreed, how can you find a proper outcome without having your contenders on the same pitch on the same day in the same conditions. Plenty of Rags are doing it, why not VD
I absolutely agree. Otherwise, the Kawa could never win over the KTM in a real comparison! I've tested both and the KTM is far ahead over the Kawa. If you have challenging road conditions like within the Alps, the Kawa is much less stable and precise and handles more strenous than both other bikes.
@@fredrikmehlin Yes off course, the Italian guys, right? I've laughed myself to the floor, seing this happen! Even if the Tuono has 33 PS less than the SF 4S and the Brutale 1000 she busts them dramatically because of the great power from the start and the best handling clutch. I'd rather take less power and more control than vice versa, I can tell you. The high rpm concept is one of the biggest mistaken in recent years if you want to build up a decent power naked bike. A power naked is about high torque, luxurious power, easy handling and a sporty but still comfortable seat position. It's not a race bike.
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f It would be... if Kawasaki hadn't managed to make the H2 even uglier! I'm really not a great fan of the KTM's looks, but I could certainly live with them. In fact, Ill almost certainly be taking delivery of a GT next year. And I think that the GT is even more challenged in the looks dept. But I want a V twin, and KTM are the only people making V twins that can be said to be interesting. And the looks really aren't that bad.
I've watched almost every comparison there is between the KTM, Kawasaki, Ducati and none of them have ever said the ZH2 is the best bike so in all honesty, I really don't think you're right on this one. Most reviews actually also include the Aprilia Rs4 1100 factory and then the ranking usually goes like this: 1. Aprilia 2. KTM (Ducati and KTM trade blows on whose second) 3. Ducati 4. Kawasaki (Comes in last most of the time, if there is a Yamaha mt10SP included it will actually come before it)
I’ve owned all of the bikes you listed plus a monster 1200 The zh2 is the top for me hands down Ape and ktm reliability and customer service is a waste of time
they pick kawasakis no matter what usually....seems a bit odd when no one else does.......even still splitting hairs, weight is a big deal on a big bike......
The only bike here that I lust for, is the KTM. And I'm a 4 Ducati owner. All Superbikes. The Kawasaki has ZERO appeal to me. Nothing. That KTM....it's the beast! Instant and most torque, instant wheelie fun, great suspension, weight, handling. Killer looks. And doesn't;t need to be revved to the moon to extract any power as the Ducati does. KTM is is!!!
with the zh2 coming in more than $10k more money than the Duc, ...ill take the Streetfighter and add every accessory that my heart desires and still have cash left over.
First of all: please, Please, PLEASE disable mid-roll adverts, or at least place them manually so they're not so bloody disruptive! Second: nice comparison. I'll have one of each, just as soon as those lottery numbers come through.
Ktm is the best for the roads (simpler engine, big torque numbers, good pilot position...), Panigale is sharp for racing, and H2 is the best for drag racing (If u are looking for bike to mod, H2 as huge potential).
So b the verdict is missing the ktm? Or are your saying just don't buy it? The ducati is a streetfighter that acts like an old school streetfighter and the h2 is prefect. I didn't see anything for the ktm
That is why i buy the Z H2 1month waiting time. . Maybe more beacuse of covid. . From philippines here. . Also Just buy evotech package. Go kawasaki. . Nice bike also the 2021 they said to me there will be carbon fiber on it. .
Never thought I'd see a bike uglier than my FZ-10 but here is the ZH2 and ITS FUGLY!!! Also why is everything Kawasaki makes considerably heavier than everything else in its class!!???
I' sorry, but a fully equipped MT-10 SP costs about 19.900 € in Germany. This is with a comparable outfit like with KTM and Aprilia. So, where are the thousands, that I can save from it? And it would still have the non-active seat position, more than 15 BHP less, the ugly design, no blipper available and the highest fuel consumption. Come on, give me a brake!
The ZH2 is that butterface you love to ride but not be seen with...Streetfighter is for when your wife won't let you get a Panigale because it's not practical for longer rides. And the SDR well, you'll have to go out to the garage and see what mood it's in and decide if it's gonna be a fun ride or if you gonna get your ass kicked by it.
I heard that the street fighter is very refined etc, which is great, but if I wanted refined, id buy a honda. If I wanted a peaky engine i'd get an s1000rr and a track membership
Not a fan of Japanese bikes, they just seem like ‘things’ much like the cars, I don’t really have any attachment to them because they are just hollow, mass produced appliances. The Ducati for me would be pointless for my style of riding and the main bulk of the mileage I do. The KTM with that torque curve though could be rapidly overtaking a Tuono as my next bike.
Out of the three here, assuming I didn't have to look at it, I'd have the Super Duke R. I test rode one. Lots of low down grunt, not heavy, lovely handling and reasonably priced. If only KTM didn't make everything look like an orange wasp, they could sell me one. The Ducati I could look at all day long, drooling like idiot. I haven't ridden one, so listening to this and other reviews, yeah I'd want low down usable grunt on the road, plus it's dearer than the other two. The Kawasaki, it's just too heavy, and I don't know which bike I like the looks of least, the Kawasaki or the Super Duke. Probably the Kawasaki, at least the Super Duke isn't green. I'm sure the Kawasaki is a wonderful bike , if you like green. Still it could have even more challenging looks, it could look like an MT10SP.
I just don't get it with these reviews, how can a bike win a class when it looks that shit. The ZH2 should be discontinued immediately based on them looks. It might be quick but I wanna spew every time I look at it. KTM all the way.
Ktm all day price is fair and the bike is so fun that's why I'm waiting for the 2022evo r..and they have class a dirt bikes Ducati has nothing and kawasaki is trying to stay in the game...ktm is the beast....
Konrad Schmidt-Sibeth hahaha comparing a 20k bike hahaha you can put your gixxer to stage to stage 5 around 5k upgrade and will smoke that bmw of yours hahaha i would understand if you compared it with the r1 lol but nahh
@@Balmung812 Boy, it seems that you have no clue. I'm talking about street use and not race track use. And I'm not talking about tuning bikes but out of the box. And therefore, a Gixxer will never beat the actual BMW S1000 RR M-Package. I've tested both. They are both very good bikes, but the BMW is more powerful and refined.
@@Balmung812 The M Version of the S1000 RR is a regular stock model from BMW, it's nothing special. It's like the Suzuki GSX-R 1000 R model. These two bikes are absolutely comparable. But the BMW has more power, more torque and handles easier than the GSX-R because of the carbon wheels. Both are very high-leveled. And for road use, the difference might be less than on the race track, where the BMW is half a second faster than the Suzuki, Mr. Gixxer-Fanboy. And I can tell you something else: I would always be ready for a mountain uphill race within the Dolomites. You with your 1000 ccm 200 bhp gixxer and I with my BMW K1300R. I bet you would lose the race against my 40 kg heavier and 25 bhp weaker bike because mine is easier to handle has a lot more torque and is much more stable in slow curves.
The zh2 looks like its already been crashed. Does not handle anything like the other 2 as too heavy and wallowing suspension. I had the original KTM and I loved it until it basically fell to bits. Agricultural engine, electronics were not as good as the competition. It wheelie great but that was also its downfall. Couldn't get of the line fast as would wheelie everywhere. Sold it for an Aprilia Tuono v4 1100 Factory and been amazing. The Ducati Street Fighter S will be my next bike. It looks amazing. Goes amazing. Handles amazing and has the best electronics in the sector. Plus Ducati have addressed the so called lack of low down grunt by managing to keep the same amount of torque but 2000rpm lower so will make for a very quick bike indeed. Cant wait until March 2021 when I get it 😎
I know KTM are brilliant bikes but the styling is so ugly only a mother could love them. Kawasaki lost me when they decided to build in Thailand. I have no regrets buying the Dsfv4s.
Snobs just bmw riders pal. Ducati and KTM do run and have high performance components. And a bike with 4 cylinders is not quite useful in the real world.
IMO the ktm is that one dog in the shelter that would just change your life if you were to bring him home.
I've had both, KTM and Aprilia and the Tuono Factory is much more refined than the Super Duke. This perfect package and the howling sound puts a big smile on your face, every time you ride it and more like on the KTM.
Because you feel absolutely secure and have the feeling that this bike is always capable to do much more than you are able to do.
Even on the Stilfser Joch in the Alps with its very narrow serpentines, the Tuono gives you that perfect stable feeling and a lot of trust. The KTM is far more unstable, more than ever on bumpy roads. If you are a Power Cruiser, you can take the Super Duke. If you are a sports driver, you should always prefer the Tuono Factory.
Well said!
@@kssi488 power cruiser.. i like that term, ive finally realize what type of a rider i am 🤙
Zh2 For me
My money?
KTM
Someone else's money?
Streetfighter.
Which I'd then sell, buy the KTM and bank the saving for the odd track day, tyres, fuel and possible teething issues 😂
Too bad I already have the 2020 SuperDuke R, and for me there is no going back. It’s been two months now and over 1100 smiling miles later am loving it. With V3 150mm Slip on from the boys at AustinRacing it’s sounds fantastic.
Good to hear you're loving the bike. Does it vibrate a lot? I was bothered by the vibrations from my 390 Duke.
It's been since first weekend of August,no owners manual yet only have 720 kilometers. KTM say 3hp increase no way! On the dyno vs 2019 model,172hp vs 153hp. I put thr Austin V3 200mm without db-killer. Love this bike,haven't got a clue why there 6 gears. These dyno readings are Canadian. Found half decent small fairing company from France. Going wait see over winter if theirs better protection.
Man oh man...
You are living my dream life right now. SD R with an Austin Racing exhaust 😬
Had my Gen 3 SD for 3 years, it’s a better road bike than the V 4 as got low down torque you need, not all top end power. Ducati have realised that and given 2023 bike more power low down.
The Super Duke with the largest diameter mass production pistons, I believe, at 4.25 inches. Same size as the pistons in a USA 427 V8.
and believe me, you feel that :P
Scott Campbell think with 3 pistons of 4.34 inches the rocket 3r wins lol 😝
Yes am also a Corvette owner,along with 2020 1290 SDR. Just a note why KTM said 3hp increase over last year model,well that's wrong before i put my full Akrapovic exhaust. I dyno it at 172hp vs 153hp for 2019 model. Now these are Canadian bikes.
@@geraldperry7779 did the 2019 model also had a full exhaust (and mapping)? I own a gen2 and I have to try the gen3, but I read a lot of electronically problems with the gen3 (mostly the evo model with electronic suspension).
Acceleration on that ZH2 is just insane. Yet you can use it as an everyday bike. It will be the most reliable too. The Ducati is beautiful with a great soundtrack. The KTM is obviously a torque monster and fun to ride but I'm not convinced by their reliability record. You pay your money and take your choice. I'm very intrigued by the new Triumph 1200 Speed Triple. That could be the boss of them all. We will have to wait and see.
I like Kawa the most... Seems to be best all-round bike.
🇯🇵
I know that lots of people don't like the KTM style, but jeez, could the Kwaka be uglier? It looks like they made it as ugly as they could and then smacked it with a frying pan!
And if I'm going to be spending all that money, I think I want it to be something more than "Just another UJM".
And I'm interested in a road bike, not a track bike. And the reason I want a road bike is that I'm "getting on a bit", so I want a bike that is, above all, fun. having to have the engine turning at 8,000 revs is not my idea of fun. TBH, being associated with the (predominantly, not exclusively) elitist Ducatisti fills me with the same level of ennui as being associated with BMWs. It's not necessarily something that would break the deal, but it'd have to be a whole lot of better to persuade me.
OTOH, KTM seem to have hit the sweet spot of "yawn, it's a UJM" and "yawn, it's just more Italian exotica being ridden by some twat from accounting" (and I've certainly met more than enough of THOSE.
And add into that mix is the fact that the SDR is the only V twin in the field, and I've got a very soft spot for those Vs, and I have a good idea of which will be under me in about 8 months' time. None of them! I'm waiting for the SDGT.
But, I will be test riding those that I can. Those that won't let me test their €20,000 machine, but expect me to buy it, sight unseen, can go and F**k themselves...sideways.
@@davidcolin6519 "I know that lots of people don't like the KTM style, but jeez, could the Kwaka be uglier? It looks like they made it as ugly as they could and then smacked it with a frying pan!"
You perfectly nailed it, my friend!
@@kssi488 Yeah, Most bikes I've seen look good from one angle or another. I've tried to find one with the H2, still no luck.
I own an SDR 2015 and looking forward to get the ZH2. With regard to looks, I prefer the Z than the SDR and SF V4. The Z looks weird in photos/videos but when I saw it in flesh I fell in love with it.
EXCELLENT ! NO favoritism here , just the facts.. I have had my order in for Ducati Street fighter V 4 S since mid November last year. Due to the pandemic in Italy, delay in building the units. Bike came in a few weeks ago, I passed on it, left my deposit , will get the first 2021 the dealer receives, should be in December. Will give me time too save up for Akrapovic race exhaust.. Still enjoying my 2017 1299 Panigale S . Just turned 20.000 trouble free miles this week in 1.5 years of riding. Ride safe everyone
Awesome purchase man. I have a friend who’s also kinda lost interest and decided not to continue with his purchase due to the pandemic. Because of that I have one less riding buddy for this year.
Hi Glenn, I can really understand your choice concerning design, brakes and chassis. But don't you think that the 1299 Panigale and den SF V4S are simply too loud nowadays? More and more roads are closed due to noise disturbance from motorcycles. And the laws are becoming more and more strict. If we want to avoid to sit an silent E-Bikes in the future, we should all care about our motorcycles being to too loud. And 106 dB just in engine idle are M U C H too loud!
And there is one other thing: why should I purchase a 208 BHP Power Naked if I have less than 140 BHP below 10.000 rpm and not so much torque, either?
If you are rinding narrow country roads or if you go to the mountains, the Ducati is just much less powerful than an Aprilia Tuono because you can never reach the highest rpm where the SF V4S reaches its abnormal power and acceleration.
The Ducati's characteristic is made for race track use only. And if you like to go there, your already purchased 1299 Panigale is the much better bike to ride on!
@@kssi488 Interesting reply. I could be wrong, the Akra exhaust on my 1299 is not offensively loud below 7,000 RPM. They are not strict here in N. Carolina about noise levels.We have a lot of WONDERFUL winding country roads and the low end response is wonderful , so not a lot of up and downshifting needed. It so maneuverable due too it's light weight. I do take it too the track a few times a year, YOU are correct , the 1299 is at home there,, BEGS to be ridden hard, BUT it lets you know whose the boss, RESPECT me or i will chew you up and spit you out ! In stop and go traffic , this is my everyday transportation, idles fine just let the clutch and go YES the family jewels get a little toasty when it's about 90 degrees lol. And again NOT loud at all. Hoping I'm as pleased with the S.F. V4 S as the Panigale. Have not had the pleasure of riding the Aprilla, my second choice, Prefer the electronics and looks of the Ducati. E BIKE,,, NEVER , over my dead body !. Guess I'm showing my age. Soon to be 72, 175 lbs. 6 foot , I fit perfect on the 1299 S.. Hit 20,000 miles this weekend on a 5 hr. trip. YES we are a perfect match.. OH, dyno results ,,198 rear wheel horse weighed in @ 398 lbs. Please be safe out there.
@@Mr100asd Hi Glenn, okay, you can be happy to be a US citizen according to noise limits. We here in good old Europe have some strict regulations about the sound pressure produced by a motorcycle.
In idle mode, the SF V4S has 106 dB, which is really a lot. Soon, we will also have a regulation about the sound in idle mode just because of bikes like the Ducati and that drives me crazy, you know.
I think you should keep your 1299 because the motor of the V4 of the SF is a castrated dog below 10.000 rps and afterwards an absolute hellhound.
This characteristic is not suitable for a Power Naked bike. There's a significant lack of torque below 10.000 rpm and the bike feels more like a 750 ccm than a 1100 ccm.
I would really suggest you to have a longer test ride with the Streetfighter before your purchase.
The only thing, I would prefer the SF over your Panigale would be that the Naked Bike is much less demanding and easier to handle and it's seat position is much more comfortable than on the Pani.
@@kssi488 I will NEVER sell the 1299. My other Ducati is a 2016 Monster 1200 S.. Comfortable and smooth. BUT, there is ALWAYS that but, 35 lbs. heaver and shy about 70 horse,, doesn't do it for me. IT is for sale , only 1,760 miles.YES sooo comfortable too ride, AND able to have a passenger. Impressed with your knowledge. IF I'm not happy with the S.F.,, up for sale. my next Panigale will be a 2022 R,, lord willing. The years are catching up lol ..
KTM 🤘🏻
Mind says :
Ducati
Heart says :
KTM
Pocket says :
Bajaj Platina
The streetfighter turns off its outer pistons at idle. That ALONE is incredible to me
especially in Miami !!!!!
Yea sounds like a unreliable time bomb to me 😅
I've tested all three models intensively, now: Ducati 1100 Street Fighter V4 "Normale", Kawasaki Z H2 and KTM 1290 Super Duke R 3.0
If it's all about driving pleasure, handling, stability, preciseness and riding comfort, the absolute clear No. 1 of these three is the Ducati. She put's a smile on your face every time you will ride her!
This bike - without the Marchesini rims and Öhlins - has absolute phantastic driving capacities! And only the Aprilia 1100 V4 Tuono Factory can reach the same qualities. I'd say, the Ducati with Öhlins damper but regular and not forged rims would be the best Power Naked in the world, now.
Second place in this test is the KTM 1290 Super Duke R. She's not as handy, precise and curve stable as the Ducati but she's doing a very good job, although. The handling is inspiring the confidence of the driver, the KTM always feels pretty manageable, the brakes are fine and the seat position is rather active and comfortable. Unfortunately, the transmission of the gearbox is a mess. The 4., 5. and 6. gear are much too long. Thus, the bike's performance within the elasticity tests is contrastable lousy to the Ducati and the Kawa. And the WP Apex damping system is not as good as the Ducati's Showa/Sachs combination if it comes to bumpy roads and higher speed. Then, the KTM stats to lose its regular very good stability. But the Super Duke has great benefits in everyday use. the fuel consumption is absolutely okay for such a powerful bike. The passenger seat is absolutely acceptable and KTM offers panniers as an option.
Third place is clearly the Kawa. The only sporty aspect of this bike is the 200 HP engine. This one creates a lot of fun during acceleration and elasticity tests and the twittering sound of the compressor makes you smile all the time. But that's the only good thing, I can tell about the Kawa apart from an acceptable riding comfort.
This bike is not a regular and sporty Power Naked, but more a kind of Power Cruiser like the Ducati Diavel and the Triumph Rocket 3. Compared to the other two Power Nakeds, the Kawa is too heavy and not really handy at a sporty speed. You are more sitting "in" the bike and not "on" the bike, which makes the seat position rather passive. The brakes offer less preciseness and are less aggressive than with the other two bikes and the chassis feels less stable on bumpy roads. A great flaw is also the fuel consumption. During my test, the Kawa needed over 10 liters per 100 km. This is definitely too much.
Summary: Wich bike would I suggest to a regular sporty driver?
Well, it's the KTM. And that's because of the every day qualities. The bike is really sporty and easy to handle. If you shorten the transmission a bit, you can always enjoy one of the most powerful and likable engines in the field and maybe the best V2 of the world. The KTM always delivers and is even capable to host a passenger humanely.
So, why don't I suggest the Ducati, even if I think it's the best Power Naked, now?
Well, it's because of 3 major issues:
1. The noise
The Ducati is much too loud. Within the street normal RPM range up the 8000, the exhaust is giving you a headache. Therefore you tend to run the bike at higher RPM all the time, which means you are always driving much too fast. During my test on regular country roads, I've found out that my speed always has been in the region above 130 km/h. And if you don't have a look at the speedo, you won't feel such fast, because the bike is so running perfectly.
2.The fuel consumption
Within my test, the fuel warning lamp flashed already after 100 km. This means 12 / 100 km. And that is not acceptable from my point of view. Even if you drive very slowly, you don't get the Ducati below 7 liter per 100 km.
3. The seat position
If you enter the Ducati for the first time, you might be really happy with the astonishing comfortable seat position. But after one hour of driving, you start to explore that the footrests are mounted much too low and too much front. Even if the bar position seems to be perfect, your legs will start to feel a little bit uncomfortable. After a one hour drive, my knees and my buttocks started aching because of the strange arrangement of the footrests. If I would buy a Ducati, the first thing that I would change is the footrests to a higher and more rear position like on the Aprilia Tuono.
the top dog APRILIA TUONO is not in the list ? i know is not new but arguably the best of all.
Zh2 would be like having a cross eyed wife having to look at that every time you opened the garage 🤮🤣
All bikes are fast ,but important is how to control😘
I own the 2021 Ducati Streetfighter V4 S. Best bike I’ve ever owned! Not just for the speed and power, but it has the best brakes and suspension. The way it handles is just awesome. It’s like skydiving, I could try to tell you how awesome it is, but you have to experience it yourself to really understand! Even riding at slow speeds is great, but it is so easy to ride fast! Must be careful!!! All the other bikes are great too. I think it comes down to personal preference. You can’t go wrong with any of them.
KTM will make you giggle most. Torque is there BEST" street power". It's still a wild child but sent to charm school. Independent dynos also point to the KTM being a mere 10 HP down on the Ducati. And 20 Ft Lbs UP on it. AT 3500 RPM the KTM is AT the Ducati torque peak which needs 10,000 RPM to be reached. KTM nailed it.. Best Street Super Naked.
Please destroy your man card. Men do not "giggle".
Got me there!
Let's say, the KTM makes you smile the most because of her characterful Big Block V2.
But I have to confess, that my Tuono Factory 2018 has made me smile even more like with my 1290 SD-R. Why?
Because the sound of the Tuono is also adorable! The handling of the Tuono has been and still is unbeatable.
And if you compare the acceleration in the 5th and 6th gear from the KTM with the Aprilia, you can see that the Tuono is even 1 second faster in all disciplines than the Super Duke.
That's because the gear ratio from KTM is much too long and the Aprilia's is refined. Practically, on normal street use, the Tuono is therefore faster and more agile than the KTM. This only changes if you exchange the front sprocket of the KTM from 17 to 16 teeth. But then it's still a tie race and no advantage for the KTM.
Remember: torque alone is not everything.
Konrad Schmidt-Sibeth Owned a T 1000 v4. Agree mostly. The KTM torque makes instant acceleration so street-accessible--at semi-legal speeds. Gearing on KTM is too high. $25 fix. The T was too compact and race-oriented position and the engine was wonderful--addictive over 8000 rpm. At that point I'm over 100 mph and too cop attracting. The 1000 had a nasty warm start issue and timing chain rattle. Thinking these are not an issue on the 1100? I'll be looking hard at any new version Tuono though but I need less "committed" seating position. It's still likely the best naked if pure speed is the goal.
@@tomtraynor5384 Hey Tom, you really can't compare the 1000 V4 with the 1100 V4. The newer motor is much more refined and stable than the old one that had a lot of technical issues. And it's more powerful according torque. With the Brembo M50 calipers and the 330 mm Brembo brake discs, the performance of the 1100 since 2017 is much, much better than before. It's reference class. If you take the 2019 model the damping system is even more comfortable, precise and homogenous than with the older models.
The Aprilia Tuono Factory 2019 is still the world's greatest and best Power Naked bike, even if some of the other bikes may have more maximum power.
The complete package of Aprilia is unbeatable for 5 years, now.
But I fear that Aprilia will make the big mistake in 2021 to put the motor of the RSV4 into the new Tuono to achieve more than 200 bhp.
So, maybe the 2019 model will be the last Tuono with the optimum package of chassis, motor and handling.
The much awaited comparison of 2020 :)
Thank you Vizordown.
Mv agusta brutale 1000rr?
Having been lucky enough to have owned lots of different sports and super-nakeds over the years I can honestly say that my Z H2 is the easiest to ride, most civilized brutal accelerating fun to ride bike I've owned. As I said on a previous video review, I bought it purely on the Visordown review, no test drive required. je ne regrette rien .
kawi is heavy....weighs like 70lbs more, thats alot of weight
@@kirkdunn1379I had a Ducati Streefighter v4s. I exchanged it for a ZH2, because of the unreliability of the Italian.
The Kawa is much more versatile than the Ducat. It is heavier, therefore less manageable. But on the road it is more balanced and easier to drive.
And the Kawa's engine... it's unique and also very solid and consumes less than the Ducati. If you put a sports exhaust (approved) on it, what a sound!
Too bad Ducati doesn't know how to make reliable motorcycles...
@@Eben-Victorious
*SPOT ON* mate 👍.
My brother loves his ZH2.
@@kwakithailand ✌️
I love Super Duke power delivery. Truthfully, middle weight bikes are more the Goldilocks as their power more manageable for the street. We need Halo bikes to show off the newest tech that will be used later in the smaller bikes.
And none of these bikes can hold a candle to the Tuono. Like it or not it’s the king of the nakeds.
labcoent co not quite. As the throttle response and power delivery are different on the Tuono. Oh and lets not forget the Tuono is cheaper then an RSV4.
Hum Drum 🎯🎯🎯
You have absolutely nailed it, buddy!
@labcoent co that's definitely wrong. The Tuono is much more refined for street use than the RSV4. It's damping system allows much more comfort on bumpy roads. And the motor has much more midrange power. And the handling is less stiff and less exhausting like on the RSV4.
But the most important thing is the seat position.
On my Tuono Factory, I've been able to do 4000 km trips and up to 600 km ranges within one day through the Alps and in the south of France without getting tired or having aches in my wrists, knees or buttocks.
I won't suggest you to do the same with an RSV4.
@labcoent co Sorry, but may I correct you, my friend? The Super Duke R has been the naked version of the RC8. So, it is the same origin like the other Power Nakeds. From my perspective, this is not a fault but a very interesting concept. If you do your homework properly, it's not only putting a wider handle bar on a super Bike, it's much more.Take the Aprilia and the BMW for example. They both have different motors from the Super Bike with a complete different setting more midrange torque and less maximum power.
If you ask me: it's the concept of a Super Naked to take the Super Bike as the base of development.
Superduke still is the ultimate choice because ZH2 and Ducati Streetfighter are made to compete with KTM Superduke. Plus it wheelies without any supercharger in the engine.
i can wheelie my 220-HP Streetfighter at will !! yes i had a KTM SDR, this Ducati blows it away in every area !! Hard to hold onto at 11k-rpm, i blink and i was doing 140-mph, that never happened on the KTM!!
@@michaeljkasnter Hi Michael, that's only because KTM has put a much too long gear ratio on the SD-R. If you change the front sprocket just to one tooth shorter, the Ducati will only have an advantage beyond 200 km/h. But can or should you drive as fast aside the race track or the autobahn?
NO, YOU SHOULDN'T.
Have a look at the torque curves o both bikes. Then you can see, which one is the obviously more powerful on for street use.
Your 220 PS don't count on country road or in the mountains.
And wheelies are also possible with 600 ccm bikes. This is not a matter of power.
If we are talking about real Power Nakeds per definitionem, the KTM is the archetyp. And the SF just looks like one.
I'm currently reviewing the 2020 SDR...my money is on the ktm for me :). The Kawasaki is amazing but I prefer the looks of the ktm
Consider have your vision checked. You may need glasses.
If ur reviewing then u shouldn't be putting ur opinion down on looks. That's up to the buyer to decide
I own the Ducati but love them all!!!!!!!!!!!!~
The ktm is the most true naked sport the other two resemble their super sport too much. The duke started from the ground up with no super sport to get ideas from unlike the other 2.
So did the Kawasaki, it only shares it's engine (which is massively revised) with the H2 sports bike.
lol ..... the Kawa is super sport? I suppose, you didn't take the Kawa for a ride, so far. This one is a dragster in disguise and a Power Cruiser.
But it's got nothing to do with sports of any kind.
Bruh "real nakeds" are just sportbikes without fairings.
@@sivvinod3187 not really no thats like saying supermotos are enduros with different tires
@@LizardMane the first naked bikes were made by aftermarket modders taking sports bikes and removing it's fairings and anything else they deemed "unnecessary", so in a way, the real naked bikes are really just the sportbikes with fairings removed.
APRILIA TUONO V4 1100 FACTORY...ALL DAY EVERY DAY !
I second that! Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory - There’s ONLY ONE ☝🏻 #1!
As I'm looking for a awesome street bike, not for the track. I'm happy as the zh2 has came across, can't wait 🏃♂️🔥
KTM Super duke 1290R is true proper super naked rest all are striped down version of super sport..
Incorrect. The ZH2 is not a stripped down sports bike. It's a designed for the road proper super naked.The KTM has far to many issues to be considered a serious buy.
@@fyorbane yeah but still its too similiar to the super sport version it got most of its ideas from that bike which isnt bad. the duke has no super sport to get ideas from it is all 100 percent pure.
@@fyorbane I'd like to know what those "Issues" are. I've owned kwakas in the past and they have been reliable. But the supposed number one for reliability is Honda. And I have had sooooo many issues with Hondas over the years that I will no longer even entertain the idea that I might buy one.
Yet I, personally have had 3 KTMs, I know of a lot of other riders who have had other models of KTM, from Enduros to Big V twins and none of them have come even close to the troubles that I, on my own, had with just Hondas!
As I've said before, it seems that the reputation of a motorcycle manufacturers' products seems to be suspiciously tied to their advertising budget. As such, I am far more sceptical of media reports on the reliability of a specific brand, and far more conscious of what people that I know.
But please, I'd like to know your own, personal experiences with both KTM and Kawasaki. I, personally, know that the cycle parts on Kwakas tend to wear out far quicker than the other Big 4 machines, for example.
@@davidcolin6519 Ok. Several test bikes have had issues. Switch gear and random warning signals from the dash seem to be the main issues. Richy vida's test Sdr had a major failure. I have been riding bikes since 1978 and have owned many bikes mainly from the big 4 Japenese. But I have never had issues with them apart from a couple of Yamaha's which were electrical in nature. Sorry to hear about your issues with Honda. That is quite rare. With Ktm go on the forums. A friend of mine had one and had several issues.
@@fyorbane Yeah, I started in 77, so I might even remember more. GSXR wheels collapsing, The Comstar wheel scandal, The ZX550/750 Carb fiasco, the first Suzuki TL clutches not being fit for purpose (and there was a fix, but there never was a recall) or the TL damper woes or Ducati's collapsing rear wheel bearings, Guzzi's electrical woes and BMW's QC problems that are still continuing after over 15 years.
Of course, you've then got Aprilia's sprag clutch woes and Kawasaki's limited lieftime on their cycle parts (though their engines remain, to this day, pretty much unburstable)
But hey! Let's centre on software glitches on early production models, righto!
Really, I'm not trying to downplay these problems, but in the grand scheme of things, these really are glitches, and the sort of glitch that tends to be relatively easy (and even cheap for the factory) to sort.
And what really, really boils my piss is that the big 4 get a free pass, as does BMW.
Nor is it just German and Japanese bikes that get the free pass. Their cars can be just as troublesome, but tell that to most people and they'll look at you as if you're mad.
My point is that I have known lots and lots of KTM owners and bikes, I've had 3 myself, and these glitches are being held up as typical of KTMs, and they're not at all. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that there are probably more KTMs in my village (mountains in Spain)than any other brand and they are generally regarded as being extremely tough. And I have no doubt at all that these glitches will be sorted. That is something I can't say of the response of many manufacturers.
I’d take the KTM, light, handles great and heaps of low down power. Ducati is cool but having a bike that only comes alive at 8000rpm is a pain in the ass. My street triple 765rs is like that. And if you’re doing over 8000rpm in any gear on the 765 say goodbye licence, and that’s only with 120bhp not > 200 like the ducati. Kawasaki is abit too heavy for my liking
You should try a Speed Triple RS. It has a lot more low down grunt than the Street Triple RS. You don't have to rev the nuts of it. You get the grunt up to the legal limit ( and after if you want to lose your licence ) Whereas the Street Triple it does only come alive when you're already going fast.
I had a Street Triple S 94 BHP 660cc and test rode the 765RS before I got a Speed Triple RS. The 765RS is a very good bike, but yeah you have to rev it. Don't have to do that on the 1050cc Speed Triple. The Arrows cans on the RS sound brilliant.
The main downside of the Speed Triple to the Street Triple is it has a frickin smaller fuel tank, and does drink a little bit more petrol. It's slightly heavier (20 extra kg, nothing like the Z H2's huge mass !), but I only notice that when pushing it around. Handling in the bends I can't tell much of a difference, probably need a better rider than me to notice that .
The Speed Triple has keyless ignition. Why anyone thought that was a good idea on a bike sure beats me.
KarlosH I have ridden a speed triple 2012 model, and I found the engine alittle cumbersome. It just doesn’t rev up quickly. I understand in recent years triumph have made the internals lighter so it spins up faster. To be fair I haven’t ridden the lastest model
@@jimbo1485 I haven't tried the older Speed Triples . Only a 2020 one. Apparently the older ones were a bit "lardy" .
KarlosH I can confirm
@@karlosh9286 Thanks for then input. I'll be testing the 1050 Speed Triple along with the Katooms. I have to say that most comparisons have the 1050 losing out to the 1050, but everybody has different needs, maybe the Trumpet will meet mine better than the SDR/GT. That's why we have test rides, isn't it?
Of all the comparative reviews that i’ve watch, this is the only review that picked the ZH2 as the winner.
In all the group tests if u really listen to what they say there is no clear winner.. all top 3 bikes are winners. It just depends what ur after out of a bike. Knox, mcn etc. U can't make one best bike for everyone.
markmcc21 markmcc21 actually if you really listen, most of these reviews lean towards a certain bike without explicitly saying which bike. They don’t even have to say it out loud. MCN actually ranked them as follows: tuono, sdr, sfv4, mt10, zh2 if you actually listened and watched it. Visordown even made a comparative review between sfv4 and zh2. Although they did not say it out loud you can feel they actually favor zh2 over sfv4. Not that zh2 is a bad bike but compared to other thoroughbreds, it leaves much to be desired considering the hype behind it. If it’s not for the supercharger, no one would be talking about it. Not to mention its ugly looks and mediocre suspension. Its also fat ass heavy.
@@bjornmayrina7024 well if u really really listen ul find they all have good points and bad points..and if u really really try harder to listen ul see that some bikes are better track winner and some are better road winners and do it all type winners etc. No one bike is the winner for everyone..everyone has different needs and requirements. How do u know so much about the zh2? Do u own one to qualify such comments? Iv owned 2 of the tested bikes and tested the SF demo. All great bikes. No clear winner..depends on my mood that day. Did u listen?
markmcc21 oh i have listened junior. Have you? Most of the results of the reviews are consistent with the others except fir this one. What does that tell you? Obviously you haven’t listened to one of them except for his review. And obviously you have read my post but didn’t comprehend what i was saying.
@@bjornmayrina7024 maybe take ur glasses off or wax out ur ears old man and u may hear pr see better next time u watch. Try watching the knox vid. Praise for the zh2. But also praise for the sdr. Both winners. Again ur winner isn't the same as my winner. Or someone else's winner. There is no looser. All great bikes that have good points and bad points. One that wins on track will loose on touring. One that has a flexible multi use engine isn't gona win for character. Etc etc. Once u have owned these bikes than maybe ur opinion on them might be of some weight. Until then all u can do is ride the opinion of these small handful of journalists and keep doing ur reading up on them. Ride them old man and then we'll talk 👍🏾
When is all Japanese naked liter bikes gonna be on the Channel ????
Great review on great bikes!
Thank you
I think it would be like saying which is the favourite of your children. The answer is not one you can answer, however like bikes they each have their pros and cons. Awesome review! 👍😎
I guess this is not the 2021 StreetFighter V4 with revised Torque curve
And how are we supposed to sleep after this, you're being cruel, Toad)))
lol you know you love it :)
great review. glad to see some appriciation the zh2. just over 3k miles on mine and i love every second of it. one thing a lot of people also forget is the value you get with the zh2. its thousands cheaper then the duke and ducati and you are getting an amazing machine. not to mention its pretty exotic. most hate the looks, i love it. green should have been the only color. end of the day, they all look awesome and are incredible machines. cheers.
may i know the zh2 mileage in full tank?
@@3ckstermus I dont really try to drive conservatively, but i get between 30-40mpg depending on how much im goosing the throttle.
@@shavo_. wow not bad!
It's also important to note that, while the claimed horsepower between both bikes is 30 horsepower, on the dyno the difference is only 10
Zh2 , K 1300 R , TNT 1300 , GSX S-1000 & Street fighter V4 are the best .
You guys do the best motorcycle reviews in the world. Absolutely number one😀👍
All dream bikes although incomplete comparo without king Tuono or the new MV. What a great time to love nakeds though!
Forget the MV, buddy, it's a heavy, too expensive, ugly, too loud and not very handy bike.
Well, that was a bit of a messy comparo ...
naked or not or just a upright version of the bike the v4s is by far my favorite with the 2021 speed triple coming in a close second
The only thing that probably makes the 2021Speed Triple better than the Ducati is the better midrange power. By definition that fits pretty much better on a Power Naked.
According to design, chassis, brakes, electronics and handling, my bet would still be on the SF V4S.
The ZH2 looks like an overdone running shoe....the styling is just too garish for me. So, KTM it is.
Lol And the ktm isnt garish?
Its orange!!!!
If 2020 is remembered for anything, it won’t be Motorcycle’s
What is this?
Not a test not a comparison.
More of a compilation of different videos and some talking.
I expect more from you, sorry guys.
agreed, how can you find a proper outcome without having your contenders on the same pitch on the same day in the same conditions. Plenty of Rags are doing it, why not VD
I absolutely agree. Otherwise, the Kawa could never win over the KTM in a real comparison! I've tested both and the KTM is far ahead over the Kawa. If you have challenging road conditions like within the Alps, the Kawa is much less stable and precise and handles more strenous than both other bikes.
@@kssi488 it was fun to see the tuono win over the zh2 in a dragrace. (another test).
Power is nothing without control. 😃
@@fredrikmehlin Yes off course, the Italian guys, right? I've laughed myself to the floor, seing this happen! Even if the Tuono has 33 PS less than the SF 4S and the Brutale 1000 she busts them dramatically because of the great power from the start and the best handling clutch. I'd rather take less power and more control than vice versa, I can tell you. The high rpm concept is one of the biggest mistaken in recent years if you want to build up a decent power naked bike. A power naked is about high torque, luxurious power, easy handling and a sporty but still comfortable seat position. It's not a race bike.
@@kssi488 agree on all points!
I"ll take the 1290 SDR.....cant bear the look of ZH2....its uglier than a decepticon....🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 They should have work on the Z1000...
A KTM rider calling another bike ugly. The irony 😆😆
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f , i dont ride a KTM, but i think 1290 SDR is one of the best looking Super naked out there..
I did not buy the KTM for its mosquito head. An abomination, really. But I do like the engine.
@@michaelwinter3132 , true, especially their adv lineup looks absolutely garbage...they should seriously work on their headlight design...🤕🤕🤕🤕🥴🥴🥴🥴
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f It would be... if Kawasaki hadn't managed to make the H2 even uglier!
I'm really not a great fan of the KTM's looks, but I could certainly live with them. In fact, Ill almost certainly be taking delivery of a GT next year. And I think that the GT is even more challenged in the looks dept. But I want a V twin, and KTM are the only people making V twins that can be said to be interesting. And the looks really aren't that bad.
Where's the Speed TripLe ?
It’s unfair comparing the electronic suspension version of the V4 to the 2 other manual adjusted suspension bikes.
I've watched almost every comparison there is between the KTM, Kawasaki, Ducati and none of them have ever said the ZH2 is the best bike so in all honesty, I really don't think you're right on this one. Most reviews actually also include the Aprilia Rs4 1100 factory and then the ranking usually goes like this:
1. Aprilia
2. KTM (Ducati and KTM trade blows on whose second)
3. Ducati
4. Kawasaki (Comes in last most of the time, if there is a Yamaha mt10SP included it will actually come before it)
I’ve owned all of the bikes you listed plus a monster 1200
The zh2 is the top for me hands down
Ape and ktm reliability and customer service is a waste of time
they pick kawasakis no matter what usually....seems a bit odd when no one else does.......even still splitting hairs, weight is a big deal on a big bike......
The only bike here that I lust for, is the KTM. And I'm a 4 Ducati owner. All Superbikes. The Kawasaki has ZERO appeal to me. Nothing. That KTM....it's the beast! Instant and most torque, instant wheelie fun, great suspension, weight, handling. Killer looks. And doesn't;t need to be revved to the moon to extract any power as the Ducati does. KTM is is!!!
with the zh2 coming in more than $10k more money than the Duc, ...ill take the Streetfighter and add every accessory that my heart desires and still have cash left over.
First of all: please, Please, PLEASE disable mid-roll adverts, or at least place them manually so they're not so bloody disruptive!
Second: nice comparison. I'll have one of each, just as soon as those lottery numbers come through.
Ktm is the best for the roads (simpler engine, big torque numbers, good pilot position...), Panigale is sharp for racing, and H2 is the best for drag racing (If u are looking for bike to mod, H2 as huge potential).
So b the verdict is missing the ktm? Or are your saying just don't buy it? The ducati is a streetfighter that acts like an old school streetfighter and the h2 is prefect. I didn't see anything for the ktm
Awesome video.Thanks 🙏🌟
Thank you!
I like keeping my license...
That is why i buy the Z H2 1month waiting time. . Maybe more beacuse of covid. . From philippines here. . Also Just buy evotech package. Go kawasaki. . Nice bike also the 2021 they said to me there will be carbon fiber on it. .
How tall are u as I’m 6”1 and I just wanna know of the fit of these bikes will still look and feel natural to me
I'm 6 2" and l have the zh2 no problem with comfort.
From india
I will choose
Ducati and Zh2 ..
I love power and speed
Damn its really hard to pick from zh2 or ktm super duke!
ZH2 nails it.
No, it definitely doesn't if you drive a little bit faster than cruising around.
visordown picks kawasakis over everything usually
Ducati, KTM, Kawi.... Easy... Hard question is Ducati vs Aprilia....
Ducati streetfighter v4s all the way!
sorry bro but you lost me when you said "just go and buy a panigale instead"
All great bikes but I'd still get a FZ-10 over any of these and save thousands.
tops out at 130,
@@LizardMane Not sure where you got that information from because I was doing 160 on mine just a few days ago 😁
I was wondering how the MT-10 would compare here too
Never thought I'd see a bike uglier than my FZ-10 but here is the ZH2 and ITS FUGLY!!!
Also why is everything Kawasaki makes considerably heavier than everything else in its class!!???
I' sorry, but a fully equipped MT-10 SP costs about 19.900 € in Germany. This is with a comparable outfit like with KTM and Aprilia. So, where are the thousands, that I can save from it? And it would still have the non-active seat position, more than 15 BHP less, the ugly design, no blipper available and the highest fuel consumption.
Come on, give me a brake!
Its called Strertfighters , 🔥not hyper naked or super naked😎
Zh2 hands down!!
KTM superduke over ugly zh2
The ZH2 is that butterface you love to ride but not be seen with...Streetfighter is for when your wife won't let you get a Panigale because it's not practical for longer rides. And the SDR well, you'll have to go out to the garage and see what mood it's in and decide if it's gonna be a fun ride or if you gonna get your ass kicked by it.
Winner?
I heard that the street fighter is very refined etc, which is great, but if I wanted refined, id buy a honda. If I wanted a peaky engine i'd get an s1000rr and a track membership
Bmw has asswïpe suspensions tho. Would take yamaha if i ever wanted 4 cylinders. Maybe Ducati.
I’ll stick to my B-King, thanks
well, then you must be a little bit oldschool and must love the famous 1300 ccm Hayabusa engine!
As long them bazookas pipes are gone.
The kawi won after the ktm had a coolant leak and the ducati went to put its clothes back on.
Not a fan of Japanese bikes, they just seem like ‘things’ much like the cars, I don’t really have any attachment to them because they are just hollow, mass produced appliances. The Ducati for me would be pointless for my style of riding and the main bulk of the mileage I do. The KTM with that torque curve though could be rapidly overtaking a Tuono as my next bike.
Out of the three here, assuming I didn't have to look at it, I'd have the Super Duke R. I test rode one. Lots of low down grunt, not heavy, lovely handling and reasonably priced. If only KTM didn't make everything look like an orange wasp, they could sell me one.
The Ducati I could look at all day long, drooling like idiot. I haven't ridden one, so listening to this and other reviews, yeah I'd want low down usable grunt on the road, plus it's dearer than the other two.
The Kawasaki, it's just too heavy, and I don't know which bike I like the looks of least, the Kawasaki or the Super Duke. Probably the Kawasaki, at least the Super Duke isn't green.
I'm sure the Kawasaki is a wonderful bike , if you like green. Still it could have even more challenging looks, it could look like an MT10SP.
从颜值来看 Ducati无疑胜出了😍所以我已经入手
Fuck that, buy a Tuono 🤩
Clearly, Ducati is best...
I just don't get it with these reviews, how can a bike win a class when it looks that shit. The ZH2 should be discontinued immediately based on them looks. It might be quick but I wanna spew every time I look at it. KTM all the way.
I bet you got an Orange cardigan as well!!😂😂😂😂
Ktm all day price is fair and the bike is so fun that's why I'm waiting for the 2022evo r..and they have class a dirt bikes Ducati has nothing and kawasaki is trying to stay in the game...ktm is the beast....
HP is irrelevant at this level but weight isnt.....kawi is heavy....weighs like 70lbs more, thats alot of weight
KTM Superduke 1290 r is the best.
KTM Superduke all the way!👌💪
Aprillia V4
The gixxer will smoke all that bikes.
And the BMW S1000 RR M-Package will smoke the Gixxer by far. So what?
We are talking about Power Naked bikes and not Super Bikes.
Konrad Schmidt-Sibeth hahaha comparing a 20k bike hahaha you can put your gixxer to stage to stage 5 around 5k upgrade and will smoke that bmw of yours hahaha i would understand if you compared it with the r1 lol but nahh
@@Balmung812 Boy, it seems that you have no clue. I'm talking about street use and not race track use. And I'm not talking about tuning bikes but out of the box. And therefore, a Gixxer will never beat the actual BMW S1000 RR M-Package. I've tested both. They are both very good bikes, but the BMW is more powerful and refined.
Konrad Schmidt-Sibeth lol you think tthe m package is not an upgrade of the actual bike? You gotta be kidding me.
@@Balmung812 The M Version of the S1000 RR is a regular stock model from BMW, it's nothing special. It's like the Suzuki GSX-R 1000 R model. These two bikes are absolutely comparable. But the BMW has more power, more torque and handles easier than the GSX-R because of the carbon wheels. Both are very high-leveled. And for road use, the difference might be less than on the race track, where the BMW is half a second faster than the Suzuki, Mr. Gixxer-Fanboy.
And I can tell you something else: I would always be ready for a mountain uphill race within the Dolomites. You with your 1000 ccm 200 bhp gixxer and I with my BMW K1300R. I bet you would lose the race against my 40 kg heavier and 25 bhp weaker bike because mine is easier to handle has a lot more torque and is much more stable in slow curves.
Sfv4 all day everyday
Quien gano?
En español xfa
Someone please tell this bloke it's 'aitch' - not 'haitch'.......🙂
Kawasaki n Duke
Forget Aprilia tuono!
No one needs to go that fast
But i take ktm lighter and look cooler
The zh2 looks like its already been crashed. Does not handle anything like the other 2 as too heavy and wallowing suspension.
I had the original KTM and I loved it until it basically fell to bits. Agricultural engine, electronics were not as good as the competition. It wheelie great but that was also its downfall. Couldn't get of the line fast as would wheelie everywhere.
Sold it for an Aprilia Tuono v4 1100 Factory and been amazing.
The Ducati Street Fighter S will be my next bike. It looks amazing. Goes amazing. Handles amazing and has the best electronics in the sector. Plus Ducati have addressed the so called lack of low down grunt by managing to keep the same amount of torque but 2000rpm lower so will make for a very quick bike indeed. Cant wait until March 2021 when I get it 😎
I know KTM are brilliant bikes but the styling is so ugly only a mother could love them.
Kawasaki lost me when they decided to build in Thailand.
I have no regrets buying the Dsfv4s.
Real world choices made by real world riders. Just wait for the Ducati and KTM badge-worshipping poser-snobs to get upset as always pmsl
Snobs just bmw riders pal. Ducati and KTM do run and have high performance components. And a bike with 4 cylinders is not quite useful in the real world.
@@E-087 Pal? Nah.
Dont like the Streetfighter look japanese, rather have Tuono v4 much better midrange grunt and look better🔥🤙
Wt abot triumph speed triple 1200 rs
Kawa wins, as all Japanese Bikes wil, the honorable medal of the uglyest bike. Gratulation