EBMX Explainer Video 2022 - EBMX Battery Construction Explainer
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2022
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Great video. Now I can just leave a link. It's been a lot to try to explain all that as folks want to know why I recommend the EBMX battery vs others, so I just say the others are pretty much DIY; the battery I can make you is just as good as the others. The EBMX battery is in another class.
thanks Rio you help us a lot mate. EBMX = team
So glad you made this video! Best battery in the E-Moto industry by far!
Thanks lads. ✅⚡️
great video. very cool to see you share some of the testing footage on the vibration machine and the laser welding clip. as a consumer, seeing that video, makes a world of difference. you can tell people stuff all day long but seeing that is so much more impactful.
Great video. This looks way better than the Chi battery, which has 3D printed enclosure and shrink wrap, lol. Also it has a bypass BMS which is kind of unsafe.
chi is chite !
These are hands down THE best batteries on the market for Surron and Talaria
I had an early gen 1.0 version fail and they sent me a gen 2.0 replacement and it's been rock solid ever since.
Hey Simon. You betcha 👊
@@EBMXtreme 👊
You guys are making it hard to doubt you. Love it.
Glad you enjoy it!
Your team has the best power upgrades in the industry
Hi Matt! I am really glad to see the level of transparency you guys never fail to provide! Haters want to tear apart what you guys do, but then they can't get squat from your competition on HOW their packs are constructed! Good job, keep up the great products and honesty!!!
So you did watch it. 🤙
@@tau3457 LOL...of course! Best way to know what they are doing is to look at the video!
Cant wait to get one!
Great video and clearly indicative of your mindset and intent to remain in the industry. Commitment to an industry in its infantile stages is not for the faint of heart. Knowing you're committed to longevity of both your product and business model confirms I've made smart investments in your product line.
Great video! How can we tell the difference between gen 1 vs gen 2? Are all the places selling your batteries selling gen 2? And does your batteries connect to the Ant bms app?
Wow thank you for showing us your product and offering that warranty. I was a click away from chi but you won me over from this video. I don’t know why you guys get so much bad press and rep from influencers and community. I’m happy I did some research and took the time to learn about your company first. Cheers
thanks mate.. yeah we make great stuff - usually at a level well above what other companies can only dream about. i guess the KO fan boys club has a lot to with that hate.. but we just keep keep focused on making great products. Ee know you will love our battery when you get one.
@@EBMXtreme I will be sure to take lots of photos and do my own little video. I plan on getting the 60v 63ah bundle which includes the seat extender and fast charger through chargedcycleworks. I fly a lot of fpv drones and I have so much plan with the EBMX battery. Bought the Suron on friday and have been buying upgrades all weekend.... hopefully im still married next week. Cheers
@@wattanapoboonrueng8801 yes it becomes a bit like that mate. go well and we are sure it will be awesome for you. CCW are a great dealer and one of our faves to work with.
will the 60v batt work with a stock 2022 surron xx ludicrous edition and would it affect power? also can it be used with a 1.7″ seat drop?
Great video, very informative. I was an early adopter of the 72v and recently had it fail. After testing and contacting Matt at EBMX with the results they are honoring the warranty and sending a new battery. Good to see what goes into them and that they are still improving the tech. Come back and ride Hawaii again Matt. Aloha
Cant wait to come back soon mate!
That is awesome and it is not even one of the ones I read about on other sites lol.
Does the 72v 42ah fit into a sting r like do I need a controller or bigger lid cover?
Do they make these SKI cells in bigger amp hours? where can I purchase these cells from?
Are their controllers just as good as their batterys? How does the ebmx x9000 compare to the bac8000 and the ko?
Wow… look at how much work and technology goes into the every EBMX battery!!!!
This is why EBMX is the only 2 year warranty battery in the high power market
Save my battery has 2 years too …
We’re can we see the battery settings , I’m sure mine has been played with by someone and I’m not sure how to set it back up correctly, when u hold the button for 3 seconds goes into some sort of settings
EBMX website tech support page
Amazing! Thank you.
thanks for watching Bryan
Solid 👍🏼
What IP rating ? Or is it just a sunny day battery ?
Make at least IP67
What app are you using to communicate with the BMS?
The ANT BMS app
Love the video. Love the continuous improvement. How can I know if my battery is v1 or v2? If it’s not potted, could I get it potted under the warranty? Would love to ensure those 10 years!
hi Mate.. if you can PM us with the serial number and purchase details we can confirm but 99% sure it will be potted.
Well done 😊
Thanks Junior 👊
Certifications? Thank you for sharing this video. Do you have any certification testing completed for your batteries?
UN DOT 38.3 - Yes / No?
UL 2271- Yes / No?
Others?
Yes Blake we have certification and test certificates these are available to customers - UN38.3 and CE - we are unable to sell around the world without these.
Pouch cells
Is the battery percentage display based on voltage or is it based on actual amp hours, AKA coulomb counting?
Based on voltage. The most accurate way to monitor battery % is to use the app to connect to the BMS.
@@EBMXtreme thanks. Seems like a step back though. The stock surron battery display is based on Coulumb counting. Putting out an app and connecting via Bluetooth is a hassle. I see the chi battery is moving away from a voltage base display. Do you guys have any plans to upgrade? Seems like the Ant BMS needs a connection to the display.
glad I saw Chi-rash battery video, kept me from buying one
When you say you've de-rated the ANT 400A BMS, what is the current limit set to? Any ETA on the more powerful batteries?
300amps set limit to protype more powerful batteries being made now - ETA 3-4 months to market
Does anyone have any idea where to get updated apk files for x9000? I think they forgot to update my controller before it shipped out. All the reviewers controllers worked for the reviews. Mine doesnt work at all. Maybe I am unlucky.
Matt doesnt have them. I have asked several times.
Can the talaria 60v battery charge, be read on the egg rider display?
Yes, it can. you need to enable the comms in the BMS. we have another video up for how to do this...
Do you make any Sur ron batteries with 18650 cells or just these pouch batteries?
What's the proven lifespan of these pouch Cells versus 18650 cylindrical cells?
Just use the lithium ion pouch cells like in this video. really depends on they make and quality of cells... but the cells we use out preform most of the small round cells you will find in batteries.
I cant wait to get my hands on one of these batteries, I'm already on my secnds stock Sur-Ron battery in less than a year
yes they are a huge upgrade :)
if the fire was enclosed in the case how would you know theres a fire ?
Ehhhh if one actually lit up you (and they) would definitely know about it. They are saying the runaway should mostly stay contained within the casing compared to other brands which might blow out the sides earlier. But if it did happen, hopefully you can get to it when it is smoking and before it becomes a flame torch. Eg. you could use gloves etc. to get it out of your bike / garage and to an external area to then be managed (not official advice, don't approach burning packs). I have not heard of this happening to anyone.
Thank you very much for sharing all this amazing content! This is truly a state of the art battery.
I have been trying to find any catalog of these battery cells from SK Innovation, their pouch li-ion cells seems very interesting but have been unable to find any extra information, not even a contact email… any help from you guys would it be very gratefully if it is possible!
Thanks again and keep developing this kind of engineering.
I dont think you will find much info. What do you want or need? send us an e mail directly and we may be able to help (look on the ebmx site).
Will or can you make these type of batteries to suit other brands of bikes ???? .
trevor yes we do .. which brand and model ?
@@EBMXtremeGenuine Stealth Bomber 2019 . Not needing one just yet but now that I know you can supply these newer types of batteries for my bike there's no doubt that when I do you will definitely hear from me that's for sure . By the way thanks for the fast reply to my question to , it's much appreciated.
Best Sur Ron Battery for sure.
thanks for using Hoss.
@@salesebmx4696 yeah, I'm using. I'm addicted to that sh*t 🤪
Does the bms have Bluetooth?
Sure does.
@@EBMXtreme sweet! do I use your app or a different one to check battery percentage? I have the KO controller but not sure how accurate it is
@@gunsgamesandmotors6517 ANT BMS is the right app.
what happens if the battery is 35 celsius from sitting in the sun and you fast charge it at 20 amps
No answer you get your answer
🫣...charging range is 0° - 45° C
Charge rate ranges from .3 - .5C ( safely under 1C ) depending on model. Sir this is a Wendy's.
@@BipoCosmo For some context. In Australia just solar panels on roofs in summer sit at about 60c most days despite usually being rated for output at 22c. People don't ride their bikes much in winter ...
@@tau3457 hi there how's it going?
1. .3C - .5C and under 1C w/ "C" = battery [C]capacity
2. The BMS ensures safe charging temps and charge rates.
@BipoCosmo good thanks. But we don't have those low temps in Australia where this company is from. 2 of our largest cities are tropical / subtropical temps. So more like 20-45c ambient and 25-60 in sun.
Pouch cells swell over time. If they're potted, they have nowhere to expand. Isn't that dangerous?
Premium pouch cells don’t expand like cheap disposable RC lipo or other low quality pouch found on cheap products. Lots of premium electric cars and electric motorcycles use premium grade NMC pouch cells, Surron Ultra uses the same SK pouch cells and they’re potted too. Premium pouch cells are also used by the defence, some like the Kokam military grade made in Korea you can put a bullet through and they still working and no fire. Pouch is amazing!
@@BrunoPOWEEER Any chance I could get the cell model number to read more about it?
@@bardamari1852 actually your supposed to use compression with pouch cells so they aren't able to expand. It prolongs their life. I imagine potting has a similar effect.
I have read a couple of posts from customers that said they had problems. And ebmx seems to have come through and replaced them. But they said that they had to wait quite a while. Like 5+ weeks. I guess their new battery pipeline is just like that. It would be interesting to see actual numbers about these faults from ebmx. Cos it is just something that happens sometimes with the tech and with enough builds and sales it seems possible.
Heat has no way to get out of these batteries. And elevated cell temperature is the number one cause of battery degradation.
Hey Jim,
These cells have a very low internal resistance so they run MUCH cooler than cylindrical cells
Rated for 300A continuous which is over 21.6kW… it’s hard and impractical to ride such short wheel base bike at 15kW peak…
Also when talking about degradation, we are so confident that EBMX is the only company giving 2 year warranty where all other companies only do 1 year or depending where you get it from = 0 months warranty and fingers crossed it’s going to work…
@@BrunoPOWEEER Hi Bruno, I would love to see a video where you ride it hard and show the temperature in real time. Talking about it is one thing but showing it is a whole another level. It does look like you guys have the best battery in the business right now. If you make a video that demonstrates it it's way more powerful in terms of transmitting your message. Cheers mate!
@@jimlahey5354 yes with 3 thermistors, one in the middle of the pack, one on top and one on the side, temperature delta is important too, I want my battery to hold more than two years considering the high price tag.
But I don’t think we will se such a test from anyone soon.
Lipo ftw very smart, i was wondering how it was possible to make thepack so slim
thanks for watching, leaning and the comment mate :)
Also mate these are NOT lipo they are Li-ion just in a pouch cell shape. That was one of the whole important points of the video.. you get that... yeah?
you must have made this
Nice video but I prefer my battery in a plastic bag. Good luck
These are the best cells, manufacturers should not be using cylindrical cells anymore
Lithium ion is literally a lipo lol what
BuT iT´s fiRE PoUcH CelLSs..people like these not even knowing the difference between kW and kWh :D
I work in battery testing and wonder whether you thought of the internal pressure of the cells, especially when potting the whole case. Usually you got a venting valve as every cell breathes a little bit. And pouch cells are, because the lack of a housing, breathing more then for example a cylindrical cell.
Besides that, I think you can ignore the haters and confidently advertise your 3rd party batteries as best on market..
The cases are not 100% sealed and can vent that’s why they are not waterproof.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
@@EBMXtreme the kW and kWh was meant for the haters ;)
Thanks for the reply!
@@EBMXtreme Question and not a hater I just wanna know what if I ride on the boardwalk/ocean and stop to charge at my usual spot on the boardwalk when my bike quickly gets soaked from all the moisture/mist? Happened to me about 1-2 months ago
I put my jacket to cover my chibattery and my charger also didn't seem to get affected
But would you recommend a non waterproof battery in my situation/this situation?
Even the floor was very wet and I lost traction... the bike was really getting wet and it was happening fast
And even though I was on the boardwalk it was far from the ocean, about 270 feet away
@@joem8601 every battery should be extremely waterproof, specially cylindrical cells as they’re steel case and rust pretty quickly with any moisture inside the pack. You’re riding the battery was warm then you left it charging (much lower current than when you’re riding) so your battery cooled down and if not potted, it probably absorbed moisture from that very wet marine air.
Pouch cells are vacuum sealed aluminium foil with external plastic coasting, these survive much better if moisture is present (and the battery isn’t potted).
Usually marine moisture is very corrosive too so try to give a quick rinse over the bike after exposing in scenarios like that otherwise lots of steel parts will start to rust (even stainless steel parts as they’re all 304 and not 316 marine grade stainless). Cylindrical cells are regular steel
@@christianwagner6244 Hey Christian!! Thaaaanks for this really nice and positive comment mate and asking about very interesting technical details =]
•Pressure vent valve on the battery case: this is extremely important on non-potted devices where there’s a lot of “lose and free air” inside the battery case and the pressure significantly varies when the internal case temperature increase and decrease. This is a 95% (maybe 97%) fully potted battery so there’s pretty much zero air inside this battery case.
•Internal cell pressure: pouch cells have an internal vacuum, no air inside (Lithium chemical reacts to the water present in the air) so inside the cells you only have separators, chemicals, minerals like copper, aluminium etc and electrolyte solution. In this case the stainless box (+ fibreglass and potting) gives the structural/mechanical and external protection to the pouch cells. Cells shouldn’t breathe, this would introduce air and moisture inside and rapidly damage the cells. Cells are completely sealed for a reason. Depending on the cell (form-factor and brand) you can slightly smell “electrolyte” vapour when opening the battery case that isn’t potted. Premium pouch cells are very very different to cheap pouch cells (RC and what you find inside most electronic devices).
Anyway, thanks for your comment mate… so much POWEEEEEER ohh yeahh!!
Best in the world
Cheers Albi 💯
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