My God it's beautiful. I need to know how it stacks up to the Baratza Forte and other electric grinders. You gotta do one of those laser tests to measure consistency of grinds and compare it to its competition.
I received it about few weeks ago. I love every single grind of it. I use big c- cramp on my dinner table seems steady enough. Makes me wonder how come such good product have almost no other UA-cam review (except prima coffee I got from). Maybe people want this as best kept secret among coffee community.
I'd be curious to see little feeding hoppers that direct the beans kind of like fewer at a time to be able to spin slower without needing to compensate for the resistance of too many beans at once. Nothing 3D printing can't help with. I really like this grinder, if it had an espresso brother then that would be the ultimate countertop duo I reckon !
Doug and Barb! Very informative AND entertaining video. There is one thing I want to make sure I understand. Am I correct in thinking that, regardless of roast level, the desired handle speed is 100 to 120 rotations per minute? That the effort required will be greater or less, but the desired speed is the same regardless of roast level?
Hi Mike, pretty much Yes. Some beans require less effort to reach the desired rate of turns, some a bit more, but 100 - 120 is the best target for the efficient & effect grinding for these burrs.
I can feel the quality of that machine even through video. I have two questions. I'm sitting here comparing motioning my arm at an angle vs vertical and it seems more comfortable with a vertical motion rather than at that angle. Is there a reason I'm not seeing why the handle movement isn't vertical? Regarding cadence, when you go slower I see the resistance increases. From cycling I understand that an easy faster spin is better for muscle endurance than a slower higher resistance spin. I also understand that it's not good to over speed to keep the grind consistency clean and even, but is it ok to trade some pressure for speed if I want to go slower, say 75-85 rpm rather than 100-120?
We have tried both - vertical motion, and angle, and we find much less discomfort with the angle than the vertical... May not be true for everyone, but it is for us - less pressure on the elbow, and shoulder. You can turn the Apex at what ever speed it comfortable for you, and the results will vary only a very little bit if you turn faster, versus slower... The harder the beans (very light roasts) will require a bit more speed, or force, to power through than darker roasts will, but the beauty of the system is you get to choose!
@@last1second I commented because reviews state that over time fines seem to collect in the grinds chute. Moreover the company even provides a brush for this. I’d prefer a bellows so I asked about it.
In this video you said that 1 turn of the Apex handle converts to 4 turns of the burr. Isn't it the other way around? I realize the burrs are probably a different size in the Apex, but I can barely hold my Pharos 1 on the counter when grinding light roasts.
Yes, one handle turn makes the burr turn 4 times - Ghost Teeth flat burrs operate differently than the conicals in your Pharos, and they need the speed to operate efficiently - turning by hand, 4-500 RPM would be very hard to do, but by using the gearing to increase the speed it's quite easy to do.
Thanks, that was a quick response. I just came back to say that I watched the assembly video and I see the difference now. That's quite an impressive piece of gear!
@@orphanespresso Bummer. I used to own the original Pharos, 5+ years ago, and I used to occasionally do true Turkish grinds with it. Though it took about a thousand turns, for just a couple demitasse servings. But it was pretty impressive, and the regular drip coffee was also phenomenal. Eventually had to sell it, as it wasn't practical for my office. Still miss it though.
It is a beautiful grinder - there's no doubt about that Unfortunately, the price is way out of my league, and will remain something of wishful thinking...
This was a very helpful video to get started, even went over grind sizes. Thank y'all for making the best quality filter grinder under $1500!
Great explainer - thanks for making this second video on the Apex.
My God it's beautiful. I need to know how it stacks up to the Baratza Forte and other electric grinders. You gotta do one of those laser tests to measure consistency of grinds and compare it to its competition.
Having gone through multiple hand grinders, the distribution on this one is scary good. I don't know how it makes so few fines
Most practical and powerful grinder ever!
*grinder
I received it about few weeks ago.
I love every single grind of it.
I use big c- cramp on my dinner table seems steady enough.
Makes me wonder how come such good product have almost no other UA-cam review (except prima coffee I got from).
Maybe people want this as best kept secret among coffee community.
Really wish this could grind for espresso - much prefer the form factor to the pharos.
I'd be curious to see little feeding hoppers that direct the beans kind of like fewer at a time to be able to spin slower without needing to compensate for the resistance of too many beans at once. Nothing 3D printing can't help with.
I really like this grinder, if it had an espresso brother then that would be the ultimate countertop duo I reckon !
Doug and Barb! Very informative AND entertaining video. There is one thing I want to make sure I understand. Am I correct in thinking that, regardless of roast level, the desired handle speed is 100 to 120 rotations per minute? That the effort required will be greater or less, but the desired speed is the same regardless of roast level?
Hi Mike, pretty much Yes. Some beans require less effort to reach the desired rate of turns, some a bit more, but 100 - 120 is the best target for the efficient & effect grinding for these burrs.
@@orphanespresso Thank you!
It is well, maybe have mod for adjustment rod ,adjustment label,and plastic cover with magnet.That is great for coffee time!
I can feel the quality of that machine even through video. I have two questions. I'm sitting here comparing motioning my arm at an angle vs vertical and it seems more comfortable with a vertical motion rather than at that angle. Is there a reason I'm not seeing why the handle movement isn't vertical?
Regarding cadence, when you go slower I see the resistance increases. From cycling I understand that an easy faster spin is better for muscle endurance than a slower higher resistance spin. I also understand that it's not good to over speed to keep the grind consistency clean and even, but is it ok to trade some pressure for speed if I want to go slower, say 75-85 rpm rather than 100-120?
We have tried both - vertical motion, and angle, and we find much less discomfort with the angle than the vertical... May not be true for everyone, but it is for us - less pressure on the elbow, and shoulder. You can turn the Apex at what ever speed it comfortable for you, and the results will vary only a very little bit if you turn faster, versus slower... The harder the beans (very light roasts) will require a bit more speed, or force, to power through than darker roasts will, but the beauty of the system is you get to choose!
have you experimented with bellows for this grinder to replicate the retention evacuation of a grinds knocker?
Because of the angle the burr sets are sitting, grind retention shouldn't be much of an issue here
@@last1second I commented because reviews state that over time fines seem to collect in the grinds chute. Moreover the company even provides a brush for this. I’d prefer a bellows so I asked about it.
Does that principle of spinning the crank just fast enough to prevent stopping also apply to your other grinders like the LIDO series?
Yes, but it's more critical on the Apex, and easier to do...
In this video you said that 1 turn of the Apex handle converts to 4 turns of the burr. Isn't it the other way around? I realize the burrs are probably a different size in the Apex, but I can barely hold my Pharos 1 on the counter when grinding light roasts.
Yes, one handle turn makes the burr turn 4 times - Ghost Teeth flat burrs operate differently than the conicals in your Pharos, and they need the speed to operate efficiently - turning by hand, 4-500 RPM would be very hard to do, but by using the gearing to increase the speed it's quite easy to do.
Thanks, that was a quick response. I just came back to say that I watched the assembly video and I see the difference now. That's quite an impressive piece of gear!
How about a light roast Turkish grind?
Hello, no, sorry, not designed for Turkish or Espresso
@@orphanespresso Bummer. I used to own the original Pharos, 5+ years ago, and I used to occasionally do true Turkish grinds with it. Though it took about a thousand turns, for just a couple demitasse servings. But it was pretty impressive, and the regular drip coffee was also phenomenal. Eventually had to sell it, as it wasn't practical for my office. Still miss it though.
I feel like putter a stepper right on the front is a missed opportunity, for a few extra hundred dollars. Would be a terribly competitive grinder.
It is a beautiful grinder - there's no doubt about that
Unfortunately, the price is way out of my league, and will remain something of wishful thinking...