The Flash - How to Frustrate the Audience | Anatomy of a Failure
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- The Flash is DC's multiverse movie to go up against the MCU and Spider-Man: Across the Spider-verse, in which Barry Allen travels back in time to meet a younger version of himself and get in a whole lot of trouble (General Zod is back.) The issue is that, even though The Flash has a lot of good stuff in it, all of it ultimately ends up frustrating and dissatisfying the audience. And the result is that The Flash is the biggest superhero flop of all time, losing around 200 million dollars. In today's Anatomy of a Failure, let's dig into that. Why is The Flash so frustrating and why didn't people want to go see it more?
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The Flash (2023)
The Flash sequel follows Barry Allen on time-bending adventures that alter the course of history. Harnessing his super speed to travel back in time and save his family, Allen believes he is making the world a better place. He soon discovers that his mission leads to the creation of a multiverse where General Zod is on the rise and there are no superheroes flash vs Zod fight everything wrong with the flash honest trailer flash movie sins flash bad movie box office flop flash good movie why did the flash flop the flash watch full movie online free 4k clip hd flash zod scene faora flash ending explained supergirl vs zod fight the flash batman death scene vs kryptonian batman fight scenes the flash only action best moments funny moments batman compilation to fight him the flash official trailer. Allen must navigate the multiverse to find Batman and convince him to save the world. - Фільми й анімація
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Could you do Pacific Rim? Seriously underrated film. You could rip it to shreds and I'd still enjoy the video, though I think it's deserving of a positive review
Across the Spiderverse.
Since Barbie movie is in box office, how about you cover each Barbie animation movie?
why dont you try RRR ?
I wanna see Oppenheimer and Barbie's Film Perfection when these two goes HD in about two months
This movie is the perfect depiction of what happens when multiple writers write and update the same movie.
Yep, you can feel that the final script was just a mismatch of a lot of different ideas from a lot of people and the studio
True. Also, it's about time studios stop writing movies in ways that make them become CGI fests like this one. If artists aren't able to keep up with all the crazy schedules, it should be a better idea to make things simple instead of making what looks like shitty video game cutscenes.
Correction: multiple writers writing and updating the same movie separately.
Correction: this is what happens when executives keep changing their mind. The writer completes the script and was not kept for rewrite or scene change. Executive hire a lesser writer to do rewrite. Repeat until production began and move away from the script because directors, actors, and other higher suits demand scene change without taking into consideration of the whole story. And they bring a new writer who was barely given enough time to read through the initial script and made change that is requested to satisfy everyone involved.
You end up with a zombie script made by many people input without a solid story structure.
A problem that will soon disappear as there will be no more writers or artists, only AI generated trash.
Ezra Miller is alleged to have harmed others. Not so with Downey Jr. He was really only harming himself. Not a fair comparison.
True
Ezra Miller HAS harmed others and he's credibly accused of doing much worse
@@raymondwatt9773 Also true
@@raymondwatt9773he's insane. Cops, especially hawaiian cops, will not arrest you not once, but TWICE for no damn reason.
@@raymondwatt9773the only confirmed thing that he did was getting arrested for disorderly conduct in a bar. All the other allegations aren't proven and some are pretty far fetched. There isn't as much evidence as you think
The flashpoint paradox animated movie was so emotionally satisfying. Probably the greatest final scenes which hits harder than all the nostalgia punches in this movie.
I agree
Yeah, it’s like, they literally had so many actual templates that they could straight up just…follow. They had the recipe for success, but they fucked it….mostly cause Ezra is in it
@@sigurdbergsrud6198I haven't even seen this movie but even I can tell you that that's a stupid thing to say. Like, even if the actor sucks as a person. That has absolutely nothing to do with how good or badly a movie is written. Like it's completely irrelevant, Ezra Miller isn't a bad actor even if he's a 'bad person'.
Important reasons why the flash movie failed.
It failed not because of this movie's bad CGI, bad script writing, bad scenes which made nonsense and disrespecting the legends.
It failed because of Erza Miller, the greed/ immorality/ arrogance/corruption of Warner Bros & new president of WB Discovery David & James Gunn of DCU Studios.
Before the movie release,
Erza Miller committed crimes, choked a woman on raw camera in foreign country(Iceland), arrested multiple times, facing disturbing & disgusting allegations of bad things he did. What did WB do? WB protected him instead & tried to cover up his crimes and make sure this didn't go on media but it's too late. WB bribed the couple Erza threaten with, to drop restraining order against him.
WB defended him not because of positive testings but because he is part of the normalized cults(LGBTQ, woke culture, non-binary,pronouns) they don't want to offend. The same normalized cults & drag queens allowed by US Government under Biden Administration to deceive, indoctrinate, brainwash & corrupt underage children with gay agenda, nudity, pedophilia, adult & child pornography & manipulate them into transition (surgercial mutilation to turn innocent children & teens into transgender) those who transit willingly & unwillingly faced mentalnproblems, committed suicide, etc. America is messed up.
WB & Andy director of Flash helped Erza Miller evade the police while filming the reshoots of the flash movie. The police were after him because he avoided the court order to stay away from the native American teenager he was accused of abusing her sexually, physically, emotionally, mentally & influencing & manipulating her since she was 12 years old.
One of the fools in WB wrote in twitter that this movie will make you forget Erza's crimes. Thanks to him, everyone searched him online and jhis crimes are exposed.
Want to make a good superhero movie & make the audience happy, fire the bad actor, replaced him with another actor, hired a different talent director to correct mistakes, changed the script & reshoot the scenes and remove the original scenes like this in this bad movie BUT NO, Warner Bros didn't do the right thing & chose to make bad business decision. WB don't care what Erza Miller did especially if he was responsible for the disappearance of his girlfriend and her children - the one crime Erza Miller committed and noone is talking about due to arrogance of WB(old & regime along with VFX guy, Andy director, Jamesi Gunn & David of WBD) protecting the criminal below.
In case noone(especially you) knows, Erza miller is involved in missing persons case (his new girlfriend & her children) last year, Her family haven't heard from her since they were living with Erza Miller in the barn. All signs point to him due to evidence of domestic violence and child neglect.
This disappearnce happened after Erza Miller was arrested for breaking in & burglary,
. Law enforcement & child protective services came in the barn looking for them. Their belongings of the mother & children were there but not in the house. Erza denied(lied) to the police he hasn't seen them in months. Does it make sense for the mother and children to leave their stuff & leave? His bail was paid & have no evidence against him.
See proof below
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Erza Miller was arrested multiple times for assault & intentionally assault the young woman with the chair(nearly killing her - she has one inch cut on her forehead) , threaten to kill the couple, caught on camera choking the female fan, etc and the disturbing allegations of pedophilia, sex cult leader, liar & manipulator sociopath & psychopath, assaulting & acting creepy around women & children, etc - the things he was accused of before he was cast into Fantastic Beasts. A person capable of violence & the allegations he is accused of above is also capable of murder, hiding bodies, getting away with murder with or without the help. Some allegations he was accused of turned out to be true., etc. You better pray & hope the missing mother and her missing children are falive & ound safe. If they're found deceased & evidence points to Erza, Erza will be arrested & won't getaway this time, this is the DCEU legacy, Zack Snyder & whoever chose to cast Erza will get blamed, & brutal end lawsuits will destroyed WB & demise of WB for choosing to defend & make the movie in stead of morally doing the thing like fire Erza & replace him but no
Defend this movie all you want, you chose to support the criminal(& possible murderer) & the corrupted film studio WB who turn the blind eye & support him, made him make fake apology, bribed the couple to drop restraining order against him & hid Erza from the police in order to do reshoots of the Flash.
Ignorance is not the Same as Innocent.
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Is this the legacy you want for young fans to remember the superhero movie starring the man who assaults people, nearly killed two women and is responsible for the disappearance of his new girlfriend and her children?
@@logannelson1807 oh yes, the movie failed ONLY because Ezra Miller is a bad person. Do do you even hear yourself? That makes no fucking sense, I think you need to get off the internet for a while and go touch some grass, dude.
Seriously... go do that, you wrote a whole ass college thesis in the comments section of a UA-cam video about some things that one random celebrity has supposedly done, and WHAT does it accomplish?
I promise you nobody here actually cares that much. Especially because even if these things are true there's nothing anyone can do about it. Regardless, there's so many other things you could with (I imagine) the lots of time it took you to compile all of this information and put it together and to write this whole essay. Like...why?
I'm very impressed how they managed to keep the cgi quality between the CW show and the movie so consistent!
lmao!!
are you kidding? CW shows are basically Avatar in comparasion to this movie lmao
bruh 💀💀
@@x340x the flash CW show had good cgi in the beginning but it was gone after season 4
@@noobofbigbrains1646 cw never had good cgi, it just looked better in the earlier seasons because of the time
The fact that Christian Bale rejected making a cameo in this movie was a smart move he made
He'll only come back to the role of Batman if Christopher Nolan agrees to make another Batman film... Guess not now.
@@liamphibiaas a fan of the dark knight trilogy, i hope they don't touch it.
But Thor Love and Thunder he did.
hahaha and what about the Thor cameo? that was the worst of all, and the Thor 3 movie and Christian Bale's character.
Thank fuck. That would totally ruin my fandom for The Dark Knight Trilogy.
The fact that the Flash had so many filming, director changes, Ezra Miller and production issues. It would make a more interesting movie documentary than what we got.
I would prefer a documentary in making the worst Flash movie. Ever.
I dunno, considering all the issues it was surprisingly good. It has a lot of issues yeh but its still a decent film.
The obvious changes that would make it better are a bit confusing though
@@ClarksonNo1 That's your opinion and I respect it but I feel it's an atrocious movie and there is a reason it bombed on such an epic level. If you think about it Batman serves no purpose. Yes he helps them find Supergirl but she also serves no purpose. They could both be removed and the plot of the movie doesn't change. I loved Faorah in Man of Steel but as he said in the video what a waste here. I'm not even sure that's the real actress who played her. It looks more CGI than anything. Even Zod feels pointless. Barry's mom died when he was a child so Barry could've went to any time after that but somehow ends up right as Zod shows up? Pretty convenient. It all feels so forced. The cameos are garbage CGI fan service. Batman and Supergirl's death are so unemotional.
It feels like fans have been conditioned to like trash. The bar has been lowered so much now that when a movie is average you have fans calling it amazing. Pretty CGI and explosions seems to be what the typical super hero fan cares about now. Or a cameo of their favorite character. You said you felt the movie was good. Would you mind saying why you feel it's good? Cause whenever I see people say 'It was great/good' I never see them say why.
I'd just rather watch The Death of Superman Lives
@@elperrodelautumo7511it would be a like the making of the room all over again 😂
The thing I personally like is how some of the Kryptonians die by Flash but only Zod is able to react to super speed for some reason.
Reaction time is different even for Kryptonians on earth the gap would be greater, we all can't get a positive K/D ratio like Zod,
@@levelOneAnimator But why is it different?
Anyways it doesn't matter. They didn't bother to explain it in the movie.
Well, most of us can't keep up with pro athletes even though we're both human. Same logic here, not all Kryptonian have same reaction speed like Zod
@@yanjirujan193 Stupid analogy.
Even among normal humans, the reaction time is not astronomically different.
And even human soldiers who are trained to better their reaction time also don't astronomically differ from normal humans.
Call it inconsistency in a bad movie and leave it at that.
@@sushant832 stupid analogy? Look at yourself, comparing them as "Kryptonian" rather than soldier and their superior
What a joke
It’s crazy that the calorie thing never came up again despite it being such a huge plot point at the start of the movie
THIS I agree. It even bothered me that they never bring that up again in the third act of the movie. Like isn't that calorie thing was a important point?
The editor could've just cut it out but didn't... This movie baffles me
Second Barry does need to eat when he gets the Flashy powers tho...
Nothing will ever top the plot holes in Game of Thrones.
Truly breathtaking when Barry flashed all the civilians in the movie
Truly an Ezra Miller in the presence of minors moment
It's flashin' time
Ezra Miller is such a proud transgender non-binary with the way he treats minors. A true representative of all LGBT!
@@LuisSierra42
Gotta flash!
Such a daring improvisation from method actor Ezra Miller
The problem I faced with Supergirl in the final battle of this movie was that she was just a briefcase that was failed to be protected the whole time.
She is useless at the end, she did absolutely nothing, give us the most disappointing "fight" scene ever compared to Superman V Zod
@@_.suzaku.__ I mean, she got locked up for god knows how long. Superman fought Zod at full capacity while her at barely recharging.
It's like when you used your lvl 5 characters against an lvl 50 boss, she destined to lose and it's kind of shame. Because there's another ending where she and Keaton Batman survived and showed up at Barry's father court.
She's criminally underused and I loathe the writers on that, her performance was good whenever she's show up.
She was just another woman in a fridge character. I thought we were moving past that trope but I guess not. 😢
@@hotterhatter2211women in the fridge was that they are passive and their death motivates the hero.
She was not passive, and she was the weapon they needed to win the fight (they were unlikely going to win without her), not a damsel killed to motivate anyone.
@@aussiewanderer6304 "female characters are injured, killed, or depowered (an event colloquially known as fridging), sometimes to stimulate "protective" traits, and often as a plot device intended to move a male character's story arc forward, and seeks to analyze why these plot devices are used disproportionately on female characters"
This is from wiki. They do not have to be passive to fall into this category. Any female character whose role is to die in order to move the plot and/or male characters involvement forward is considered fridging.
Supergirl was killed over and over for Barry to try and change the timeline. That is literally what fridging is. While it might not be as bad as old comics, it still falls in this trope.
The Flash: "Throughout this film I have learned the lesson that you have to accept things that happen to you and that you can't change your past, therefore I am now going to instead solve my problem by changing the past."
Great writing! 👏👏
4:00 Them fumbling the conclusion of the mom's death drove me the most nuts. At the end Barry went back and altered time to save his father, but didn't even bother with a passive peak to find out who really murdered his mother. Even if he couldn't stop the murder, he could find out who did it and prosecute them later in the future.
As to the purpose and ultimate death of Super Girl, you could argue that it was trying to show how the loss of women in their lives negatively affects the Barrys. Old Barry loses his mother and sets up the circumstances of the movie, New Barry loses Super Girl and kicks off the movie's actual events. Except that New Barry and Super Girl have zero screen time to develop anything resembling a meaningful relationship, or really a relationship in any way. He wasn't even the one that rescued her from the Soviets.
I love the fact he just knowingly kept calling Supergirl Superman...hilarious
Just call her female Superman. Same a female Zorro 😂
That was the middle finger to everyone who wanted another Henry Cavill Superman.
Edited.
I mean, we did not want a Flash movie, but we wanted to see Man of Steel 02. It could have introduced that lovely lady as Super Girl & featured everyone at the end in cameos. Rather, we got this terrible movie.
@@MG007.Henry cavill literally likes her for the role
@@RedTheWeebthats no excuse for crappy writing
@@eddiepalmer9543 the actress has literally nothing to do with the writing you're just blindly hating on a woman for playing a character that has existed for decades in the comics
Having General Zod as the main villian for a Flash film makes no sense.
He wasn't the main villain
It was the old Flash
@@Zombiesnyder13
Him being there seemed really forced. Barry and him have never interacted once. I just felt they should've of left him out.
Dark Flash was lamer than Zodd and had less screentime too
So much potential down the toilet
@@behurastudio
A film based on Flashpoint should be the third film in a Flash trilogy.
@@anubusx yup, but this is DC we're talking about. The guys who thought killing off Superman in his SECOND film was a good idea lmfao. I'm not even a Flash or Superman fan but MAN! this frustrates even me! Lmao
This movie felt like a few separate movies crammed into one. How many writers worked on it?
I loved the part where Barry said "it's flashin time " and flashed all over everybody
Everyone loves that tho, except DC fanbois. 💀
Now that meme makes sense here and morbius
I also like to flash people
Or "Come on Barbie, let's go party".
Man, I love the part where the flash said “time to flash!” And then flashed all those dudes
Mission Impossible was awesome, but the best acting Tom Cruise ever done was saying he loved The Flash, without laughing.
The biggest stunt Tom Cruise has ever done in his acting career.
Acting on Born on the 4th of July wasn't as demanding compared to him saying he "loved" The Flash.
Tom Cruise is a terrible person. He's the public face of a criminal, human trafficking, child abusing cult. And he's not a good actor.
I really want to see a live action Batman Beyond. But at this point I have zero faith that DC could pull it off.
im not really knowledgeable about all this stuff so i might sound stupid right now but isnt there already a movie called Batman Beyond?
Nevermind, I’m thinking of Batman Begins lmao
@@19RonnyThe Batman Beyond movie is Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.
That whole series is way beyond the pay grade of the people making live-action blockbuster superhero movies these days.
Indeed.
At this point, much like with Static Shock or modern Square Enix and a Final Fantasy VI remake, I'd much rather the source material be left alone than risk the unholy violations that would undoubtedly be visited upon the source material. Especially given that we were tragically robbed of the potential for Kevin Conroy to reprise his role anyway.
Also, considering they already brought back a dead actor to prop up for *this* movie, it'd be easy to imagine WB ghoulishly propping up some macabe CGI replica of Conroy with a hollow A.I. generated voice speaking lines written by people trying to capture his essence in a cynical attempt to appeal to nostalgia without so much as an ounce of effort to actually pay tribute.
Compared to that genuinely horrifying prospect, a reality bereft of a live-action Batman Beyond/Static Shock feature production seems whimsical, warm, and fuzzy.
@@TheTaintedWisdom _Static Shock!?_
Modern Hollyweird would _implode_ if they even tried to touch material that sensitive. 💥
@@TheTaintedWisdom Funny thing is, your nightmare scenario of an AI Conroy is one of the reasons for the actors guild strike.
Flash of Arrowverse did this Flashpoint arc and visualized the multiverse in a better way. Simply by having the future Flash appear to stop past Flash with Flash watching his past future self stop him. And it carried the horror of watching your mom die, watching yourself try to stop it only for yourself to stop yourself, watching yourself it happen, and knowing you probably did stop it but something went wrong to make yourself go back to stop yourself.
Great comment👌👌👌
I have a feeling the main reason it flopped was because of Ezra. He is insane people don't like him for what he has done. Watching an actor act with themselves for an hour an a half especially if it's an actor you don't like, no one will wanna watch that. I also have a feeling that no one "wanted" to work with ezra to an extent since he is way to unpredictable.
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The fact that Ezra Miller is still in this film hurts it beyond any shitty plot or filmography could
Straight out
Dude should be in prison, not starring in superhero movies
They could have replaced him with Joseph Gordon Levitt. He looks enough like him, and still youngish. What happened to him? I haven’t seen him do a movie since Looper (great flick btw) or 100 days of summer
Finally someone said it
Who tf watches movies for political reasons? I DoNt liKe HiM MoVIE BaD faced ass
I fully agree with everything you said in the video. I think a better way of doing the multiverse scene if they REALLY wanted to showcase the cameos would be old barry and new barry running while fighting through the multiverse. For example, old Barry could try to run back in time to let his mom die while new Barry chases him trying to stop him. They would be punching each other into different universes. This would also be a really good call back to the actual Flashpoint comicbook/animated movie where an older barry allen runs back in time to stop his past self from saving his mom.
The CW literally did what you're describing in their Flash series just as far as running into different timelines or universes. Yes, the budget is significantly lower but they directionally speaking, they were smarter with their budget and concepts.
@@SaleemFrazeramen. The arrowverse is OP
It's also kind of funny because we got a very small taste of it in the Doctor. Strange multiverse of madness movie with American Chavez punching through different realities that would have been amazing to see as an entire 15 to 18 minute action sequence.
sounds very cliche and lame
sucks, generic and lame
I really want to see Dc films make a comeback. I really want most superhero movies to be fantastic again. This, encapsulates the entirety of the DCEU. James please don’t disappoint.
Same. I'm tired of marvel bs.
Ignoring James gunn is both a very inconsistent director and a regular at the Epstein island
In 2013 DC released an Animated movie called The Flashpoint Paradox that hit some of the same beats as this movie but in my opinion was much better. It would be interesting to see you do a side by side comparison.
I’m reading a book right now about how to write fantasy, and she actually mentions the idea of “balancing plates”. Every scene you juggle up plates to keep the audience interested, and you set down plates once they are satisfied. Each plate is a narrative line. If you throw up plates and never bring them down, or just drop them ungracefully, your audience will be frustrated. You need to set up plates, and then bring them down with the same flare you juggled them up with.
I like this metaphor. Another one I've heard of is Chekov's gun. You don't introduce plot lines if you don't revisit them later. There's no point teasing a gun throughout a book that doesn't lead to anywhere.
what's the book name?
@@devilsadvocate6098 Chekov's gun is a classic
@@aibi5532 "The Fantasy Fiction Formula" by Deborah Chester. My favourite part about the book is that it opens with one of her students saying he didn't trust anything she said. He basically just ignored her advice, got nowhere with writing, and then on a dare from her decided to actually follow her formula. Now he has published over 20 books and has a show.
@@arilizart9375 I love this book. It brings up lots of really useful practical ideas I've never seen before. Definitely recommend it to anything interested in writing fiction generally, not just science fiction or fantasy.
I feel real bad for Sasha Calle. She was the real stand out in this movie despite not being in it for too long. She did a really good job. It's too bad she won't be reprising her role.
Yeah to be fair superman in the comics flashpoint doesn’t do much either
Hasn’t been confirmed yet as far as I know. I have a little bit of hopium in me but I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets cut.
True. I know nothing about Kara, other than she's Kal's cousin, but I really liked her and would have loved to see more if her. They wasted her and they did Batman dirty, every version of him.
Come on, she doesnt do anything in the movie and her acting was poor. Dont be so simp
She's so awesome! Also, she's so pretty!
I know I should be listening to the actual storytelling lessons that Filmento is imparting to us, but I'm just really invested in how absolutely tortured this "holding the hand of a girl" metaphor is getting the further this video goes on.
5:10 totally agree, i was like wow the stakes sure just shot up with that statment, and couple seconds later it's over and forgotten about. I was like wow that felt cheap and lame to do to us
The Flash is everything that the fans thought Spider-man: No Way Home would end up like.
😂😂
It actually is, but No way home dida a great job with the fanservice, except from the actual movie.
Also, the biggest plot hole and example of lack of mindfulness to me was - Barry had to desperately get to some food in order to save the babies but some how younger Barry could run back and forth through time infinity times.. like.. he must have had to eaten 30 million burritos
It was said in the character biography his metabolism and body transformed from so much use of the speed force and being biologically infused with Kryptonian technology
So you being ignorant due to lack of proper info about something somehow creates "the biggest plot hole"? Sure, random guy, sure. 🙄
@@logannelson1807 sir this is a wendy's
@@logannelson1807 holy shit get banned
@@logannelson1807 wtf
I feel like the most important part of writing a character nowadays is personality & conflict. If you remember both, you’ll be able to actually make a good story.
What frustrates me is that the animated "Flashpoint Paradox" movie does everything this movie does but 1,000,000% better. The mom's death, Batman, world collapsing, everything. Hell even the couple episode run of the TV show did it better.
Barry could have time travel to the past and find who was the killer, then travel back to present and find the killer and make him confess about killing his mother. Thats how he could save his father and do justice for his mother. I guess the flashpoint needed to happen😅
A fucking receipt from the store where his Dad bought the tomatoes would've been enough evidence. The cashier at the store. Traffic cams taking pics of his car. Barry's dad should've never gone to prison in the first place.
@@trebeezy16 poor writing in general
@@trebeezy16 Maybe his dad didn't get a receipt but that's true. The whole conceit of this film is so dumb. Just like No Way Home.
That's true. They completely ignored that part of the story. It's strange that the mom's killer never comes up again. I thought that the final would be Barry finding out who killed his mom, and finding out it's a villain he knew.
@@nerychristian I bet Zoom was the main antagonist in earlier drafts.
I would have loved to see a Wonder Woman v.s. Faora show down.
Gal Gadot was originally supposed play as faora.
@@TheWorldsBiggestFan89 really?? Cool!
Also for supergirl to have survived she needed wonder woman or even a lantern as backup.
ww would get destroyed
I love the commentary but your editing skills are legendary and absolutely hilarious please do more reviews!
I dont feel bad, at all, for DC's mess up. Marvel gave them the blueprint, all they had to do was follow it. DC also had something Marvel didnt, in amazing animated movies. They basically screwed themselves, hard.
8:05 The other way to describe it, the movie lacks of the CHEJOV GUN principle: Chekhov's gun is a narrative principle that states that every element in a story must be necessary, and irrelevant elements should be removed.
Then how will they make movies.
I mean it would require a lot of work and Stretching small plot points is much easier, just put a butt load of money in actors
The problem: the gun is there, it just isn't being used
@@Hanmacx, well, that's why it's "Chekhov's" gun: gun is there, but there is no Chekhov's (i.e. the one, that actually shoots) one.
It’s like having a military film where they showcase all of these high-end guns, vehicles, tanks, and other types of equipment to be used in confrontations throughout the film, only to have the cast use nothing but pistols from the Napoleonic Wars and never mention the modern equipment, as if it never existed and we were always meant to expect the Napoleonic pistols.
If you see a Batman in the first act, then that Batman must detonate in the third act.
Season 1 one of “The Flash” has better effects than this multimillion dollar movie.
How is that possible?
It's not
It doesn't 😂
it dosent but it looks better because they used the cgi smartly. barrys suit wasnt cgi and the cgi which was used wasnt in your face but mostly blurred streaks of lightning
Very large stretch
I didn't see much of it but some, and read the plot, and it was actually pretty interesting. With the evil Flash and the guy in the wheelchair. (Who I will forever think of as the lawyer Ed from the series with the same name.)
I was wondering about the healing factor too. Him having the scar on his face was only to identify him as the "evil Future him" since that scar should've been healed. Unless I missed something there like the metal that cut him Was a special kind anti flash metal.
I think it was, super special kryptonian metal
_"Unless I missed something"_
Umm...well, actually... you clearly did. Like most of the ppl hating on the movie. 🤦♂
That cut was made with an alien kryptonian alloy. That's why he wasn't able to recover from his injuries. And that's also why he was able to "collect" all those different shards throughout his body and become "Dark Flash" without them somehow falling out of his body due to his healing factor.
So again... it seems most ppl, like you, didn't had a clue about what the movie was about or why certain things happened the way they did and are now bashing on the film like it's hot garbage when in fact it isn't (don't get me wrong, it isn't perfect either).
It was sadly a movie FOR DC FANS and that's why it failed. You can't aim at "fans only" when making these kind of movies. That's exactly why Warner has their animated division. That was their biggest mistake here imo.
@@orpheus.. What explains his muscles still working even with all that metal inside them? If you displace or sever muscles they generally don't work correctly.
@@dangerfly You need a certain level of _suspension of disbelief_ when it comes to COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS. You can explain a lot of things through its own universe's logic but you can't expect to apply actual rational thinking to absolutely everything. 🤦♂
PS: I've been trying to give you a kinda extensive reply for some time now but I always get an error so...whatever. This'll have to do. 🤷♂
@@dangerfly If we can accept a being becoming indestructible only because of our Sun or a guy with a robotic armor not dying inside of it every time he takes off or lands... I think we can live with some unexplained muscle regeneration.
The thing that I hate most about this movie is that they had so much to work with to make this movie good like the Flashpoint story and return of Bat Keaton, but they managed to fumble on almost every aspect of the movie. Certainly didn't help that the star of the movie is a very vile person so that made it start rough, and the terrible everything would seal it's fate and reception.
The beginning intro is pretty much, an accurate description of why Tom Cruise loved The Flash in such a high praise.😂
“This is what we need right now”
I don't understand what made Tom Cruise see the Flash as an absolute win.🤷🏻
Tom Cruise still wearing a mask LOL
Here's a question: why does Howard the Duck look more at home standing next to actual humans in Guardians of the Galaxy than actual humans do in this movie?
Here's an answer: Chicken pot pie
@@hishamjalal9078
No no no, he’s a duck!
Ok you got me at 6:49 with the road runner sound effect! 😂
i havent watched the movie and dont plan to but what i got from this video is that the whole movie is basically about barry and younger barry acting like players and the other characters like npcs without any plot nor emotional involvement in what is happening
About half of these issues are a result of trying and failing to adapt Flashpoint; Superman's rescue meant something in Flashpoint because everything after the escape was different, plus it tied into the US Government stuff with Cyborg who is GONE (wonder why). "Dark Speedster" was Reverse Flash in Flashpoint, a character who's already been long-running in other media and is motivated to make Barry's life worse, also providing a good excuse for plotholes; good old Eobard did it! The circumstances were so grim that Flash was taking things more seriously, so he worked as a serious protagonist. Other villains are completely secondary, so they're novelty characters; evil variants of Aquaman and Wonder Woman who exist for cool action and take up little "screentime" while Reverse Flash handles the character stuff.
i think theres's something to do with production hell
we lost the chance to have "it was me Barry" in live action.
From what I have heard about the film, I believe that the dark flash in the film may have actually been none other then the Black Flash. He doesn't have a character because for the most part he's literally a part of the Speed Force and acts as a sort of protector and enforcer. Then again the lore of the Flash, while appearing whimsical on the surface, is extremely convoluted so I might be wrong.
@@tio_john One of the unforgivable crimes of this movie.
I've read the Flash Point comic book and watched the Flash Point animated movie so the trailers looked like someone had read the back of the graphic novel but didn't bother to actually open the book up.
The fake running makes me laugh and takes any seriousness out of any scene where it takes place
Especially the part where he runs to Gotham and his legs move in slow motion while he's travelling at high speeds, meaning all his steps are sliding in a way that should make him fall over. Impossible skating!
But y’all loved no way home lol
@@smartwater598 I didn't.
@@smartwater598 the flash looks like Jimmy Pesto Jr running
Barry's Mom's killer wasn't even looked into, and Barry treated it as if it was an insignificant detail and focused on a can of tomatoes 0-0
The main change I would’ve made for the movie would be to replace the zod stuff with the Amazon Atlantis war.
It would’ve been way more emotional to see Barry’s once friends now trying to murder each other and the rest of the world, rather than zod who was a villain Barry literally never met and had zero interactions with
The Flash is basically No Way Home and Across the Spiderverse but executed poorly in terms of CGI and nostalgic cameos
Also it kinda feels weird to watch a Flashpoint movie without a Reverse Flash
The cgi was bad but the cameos were good!
@@thehahvokexperience none of the cameos were good, they looked like wax sculptures
@m.g.michael6976And the ones that are actually alive like Nic Cage received not a single penny for their CGI likeness in the film.
No Way Home's CGI was also shit
@@jeremiahgrayest Hard disagree. It was less in your face and they used actual actors instead of CGI ghosts. Watch the movie again before you say more stupid shit.
Can we talk about that Barry only acted extremely weird around Iris like he's mad or something and yet Iris asked him out on a date at the end of the movie???? It was the thing that disturbed me the most. (And the mother who just hugged a random person at the supermarket not knowing it was her son)
Yes! There's no way that would happen in real life!
Tbf the iris at the end isn't the iris at the start of the movie
I would argue Barry was acting weird throughout the entire movie.
They also had zero chemistry
she didn't know it was her son bc Barry was still a kid lol
4:41 fun fact, the actor was so caught up in his role that he ended up cutting his hand
1:06 😂😂😂 I knew I loved your channel for legit reasons.
15:26 "What ends up happening is that it doesn't work, and then Superman returns..." I see what you did there
I loved the Spider-Man multiverse movie so much it hurt my chest. I feel like this should have been equally as good. Imagine if Zod was crushing the heroes and you wound up with multiple versions of Superman coming back to help. Expensive nostalgia machines like this need to hit you in the FEELS with something poignant - Andrew Garfield catching MJ got me teary. Maybe having Henry Cavill be there for Flash, because he also couldn’t save his Dad in Man of Steel might have hit the feels button.
DC just doesn’t know how to craft something that makes a fan feel anything; saw End Game on the opening weekend, this dude screamed when Cap was holding Mjolnir. Straight up shrieked with joy. Imagine having an old, half broken Bruce Wayne use Green Lantern’s power ring or something. DC has all these huge open goals to kick and they just keep missing…
Because DC is desperately grasping at the current trend marvel successfully pulled off rather than try something new.
At the finale, Blue Lantern Superman and Yellow Lantern Batman team up for the last time in the DCEU
I love flashpoint series especially the animated movie and this movie is like a spit to it.
Lmao your idea isn’t any better
No way home is trash if you take the nostalgia out it's one of the worst movies 😅
Every question you raised ran through my mind when I watched it and more.
All I can remember from this movie is the horrendous CGI from start to finish.
I think this is the problem with multiverse concept stories. They end up being inconsequential because there's always another universe with the same characters.
DC's multiverse in the comics is interesting because there are only 52 universes in "the local multiverse" and they're radically different from each other for the most part. They might have a "Superman" and a "Batman" but the characters from one aren't interchangeable with characters from another. The "Superman" from Earth-4 is actually Captain Atom. The Superman from Earth-23 is a Kal-El from Krypton but he's black and happens to also be the president of the US. The Superman of Earth-3 is also a Kal-El of Krypton but he's evil and calls himself Ultraman. DC's 52 multiverse is more to explore how the characters as archetypes work in different settings and can be used to tell some entertaining stories.
@@BiggieTrismegistusMarvel's multiverse >>>>>>>>
I wish filmmakers learned from Loki, EEAAO and The Spider-Verse. You can truly create consequential and intense multiverse stories if you aren't chasing the bag
@@ot7biasedmashups DC Multiverse 🤮💩
Marvel Multiverse ❤️🗿
Like a wise man once said there's no such thing as bad concepts there's just bad writing and execution
I like your idea to tie in the opening to the rest of the film. It would make the film seem more unified and less prejudiced towards people living that area. You’re a genius.
to me, the movie needed a completely diferent opening. one that forced barry to go back, as opposed to have him want to.
also, i love the mensage of the movie "dont fix the harm you do, just move away and treat it like it doesnt exist" and "with great powers comes no accountability".
@@marcosdheleno Yeah I can see that beginning too. Like Batman dying or getting seriously injured and/or the city being destroyed. The film actually does have him want to fx his mess its just that he makes another mess right after.
My idea would be to use KGBeast (they Russian guy from BVS; he is a Batman villain in case you don't know). He could have returned as a mercenary hired by Falcone wanting to have a rematch against Batman (or just have him instead of Falcone). Then, on the alternate timeline, he could have been the one in charge of Russian facility.
@@marcosdhelenobut he literally fixed the harm he did?? He went back and took the can of tomatoes back put of his mother’s cart so she would d!3??
@@26349Yes but in the process he changed the timeline again by proving his father was innocent, at the end he didnt learned anything and created another timeline
Great analogy for this video, it had me in tears. None the less this was a great lesson for today. Thank you.
You're point on bringing in multiple characters, is also how I feel about Star Wars right now; so much is about "here is this character"
The problem with the movie, in my opinion, is that the writers wanted to copy the Flashpoint paradox without the good things. Instead of a showdown against Eobard Thawne while the universe is dying, there's just Zod and nothing else. Instead of Barry getting his powers back being a big thing and a huge plot event, he just gets lifted by supergurl and thats it. And so on, and so on. The only good thing, that could have been incredibly beneficial, is to make Barry face against his younger self Civil War style (which Filmento talked about), but thats about it
You think that's the problem my dude? That's kind of funny because obviously you've seen flashpoint paradox. I also fucking love that movie, but honestly I would say that one of the main problems with this movie is the fact that they don't even bother to have any version of the reverse flash in it. He's such an interesting villain, because he's a perfect foil to Barry Allen. And them not even bothering to have one of the most well known, infamous comic book villains of all time in this movie (which would have been the perfect time to do so) is straight-up retarded.
Like I really don't understand why it seems like DC is trying to compete with Marvel to create a multiverse like Marvel. They already have really great stories to draw from but they just aren't. It's crazy.
except that, barry getting his powers back was better in live action lmao, Its a pretty big thing, not just "being lifted by gurl", he was also about to die in Bruce Wayne's house by failing the first try like in the animated movie, but in loveaction, supergirl, the one who rejected saving humans , comed back after every hope is lost, and lifts him into the storm, and EVEN after all that we get a pretty emotional part after the final battle, Im sorry if you can see it but thats honestly better 😂😂😂
3:44 Glad to see someone points out the failure in the plot for Flash to uncover who killed his mother? Barry sticks his head through time but can't be bothered to see who murdered his mum pretty dumb 😢
We all know it was Reverse Flash....they just didn't want to add him in because they had to jerk off Zod a bit more for whatever reason. lIke...seriously....did we *really* need to reintroduce Zod in a Flash film? I'll answer, NO WE DID NOT.
Because Barry didn't want to
This was the first Hollywood Flash movie that we got and we didn’t even get to see a speedster battle with Reverse Flash. This was a failure from the start
I kinda loved this movie and how it mixes the lighthearted tone mixed with grim, dark undertones. I wish we saw more of it
12:26 Ah, what could have been. Nicholas Cage as Superman. Okay, so we don't live in the WORST timeline.
It's ok I mix up the words best and worst sometimes too.
We are living in the best timeline. A Nicholas Cage Superman movie is the only thing that can save the dcu
Nicolas Cage as Superman killing the giant spider that Kevin Smith infamously ranted about in *"An Evening with Kevin Smith"* was glorious.
Cage named one of his sons Kal-El, he's earned the right to play him at least once, even if it's for 5 seconds.
*"Superman Lives"* would have probably sucked, but I'm still a bit sad that we didn't get to see Nic Cage as Bizarro in the episode of HBO Max *Strange Adventures* that Kevin Smith was supposed to write.
That's one cancellation that actually upset me, but hey, we got a fantastic Bizarro in the show *Superman & Lois* , so I'm not all that broken up about it anymore.
For the record, Micheal Keaton and Sasha Calle were NOT the problem.
It was Ezra Miller, the CGI, and the plot; in that order.
Your breakdown explained why I didn’t love the movie I liked it fine but didn’t know why I didn’t like it more all of this makes sense
Ik im late but I believe there is a spark from young Barry’s finger onto old Barry’s body when he cries next to him I think they did that to symbolize a connection of the speed force maybe or the emotion because young Barry was crying.
As a lifelong flash fan, you hit the nail on my major complaints with the movie. But, in terms of general story and general characters, I actually enjoyed this film. The fact that Young Barry existed to completely contrast Barry was actually a genius idea.
honestly, the film wasn't perfect but i definitely enjoyed it
the hate train for the film is...sigh
The opening scene of babies falling in a ridiculous action scene of proportions would sink any movie lol
Microwave on standby
@@ZeonEons lol like I said
Not perfect
The cgi could have been waaaay better
@@vision7media36 Not the film itself, it was entertaining and Supergirl is Hx0xT but the actor playing Flash and the company that fired Henry Cavil, Jack Sparrow and allowed this crazy criminals in their movies.
@@vision7media36 nah the scene itself even if the CGI was perfect was ludicrously bad lol
They should really keep her as Supergirl, her performance was great!
Loved her performance
Not enough time to really show all she can do but she was great
lol
What performance? she is just there to punch CGi Michael Shannon, and then to die 1000 times to give the villain (who for some reason felt in love with her in the 5 seconds they spent together) a motivarion.
@@Jose-se9pu I don't think they said anything about love
8:09 is like when I wanted to be more social in school and always dapped up everyone I knew but never stopped to make a conversation or show them I'm glad to see them and then wonder why I had no real friends
A lot of scenes in the movie seem to be there just "because it happened in the comics" (or vaguely reference a comic event) but without the proper setup or payoff that the scene has in the comics, which makes their inclusion feel tacked on.
My three biggest problems with this movie were
1.Ezra Miller
2.DC/WB announcing months before the film even came out that the flash wouldn't be part of the Rebooted dceu which scared away general audiences as it is.
3.The rushed Visual effects which is a weird because filming wrapped up in 2021 and the additional scenes didn't need visual effects and say compare something like the new Transformers movie where that had last minute visual effects scenes for test audience's and that film looks good tear compared to the flash like Bruh...At least Michael Keaton's Flash was pretty dope and the film itself was alright but not great like it could have been
how did u edit this and somehow misspelled visual
They could have gone with the flashpoint story with Thomas Wayne as batman. Would have been so cool to see that story enhanced on the big screen with more depth to each character there. But no, you have to go with Keaton batman cameo.
It's not a cameo, a cameo would be like 2 minutes
Flashpoint Batman doesn't work because he's supposed to be an older, darker, grittier Batman who kills people with guns, and guess what? Batfleck was exactly that in his very first movie... an older, darker, grittier Batman.... who kills people with guns. It's not special anymore once you've seen it already.
@@PaganMinDNWyeah but its nostalgia motivated
Debió tener también una guerra atlantes amazonas y el villano reverse flash
@@PaganMinDNWtill its weird that Keaton Batman just replaces Batfleck without any explaination, it would have been interesting if like Supergirl being Superman's Nanny that Batman is actually Thomas Wayne,
You can still keep him looking, acting and talking like Burton Batman but it would have been more emotionally investing.
That was some Lawnmower Man levels of CGI there.
Barry just running and fighting casually while a large chunk of space ship lodged in his forearms is crazy haha
Big props to Sasha Calle, who managed to impress me even though the movie didn't utilize Supergirl properly. I hope I get to see Sasha in more things.
I agree. She was criminally underused. Even in the comic, Superman survived the final battle, only dying with everyone else when the atom exploded. I did agree, Zod would have easily beat her up, as she never used her powers, assuredly spending years in red light. In truth, it’s more understandable than the way Zod seemed to be a match for Clark, having lived his entire life supercharged by solar radiation, and aware of his powers. Powers Zod automatically mastered. It was one of my main issues with MoS….
I would have liked to see her as Kara Zor-El, or even recast as an elseworld’s supergirl- child of Clark and Lois, or better still, Clark and Diana…
Whenever Barry traveled through time, the visual they used and Bruce's metaphor kinda reminded me of the idea of the light cone, with your path in space being represented as a line and from the point of the line you perceive as the present, you can draw a two cones (or an hourglass) extending up and down denoting the limit of where your line can feasibly go as dictated by the speed of light. In theoretical physics, going faster than light tilts the cone, pivoting the line, or as Bruce illustrated, the spaghetto
Could you do a run down on Valerian and the City of A Thousand Planets, it had potential but sadly the writers kind of flopped the pacing and over all story telling of the film. I think it’s a classic example of putting too many plots into one film then failing to connect them correctly, what do you think?
Just to point out. The lightning having to happen twice is part of Flashpoint, the story this was based on. He fails then, tries again... A fundamental part of the story. The main difference being that in the Comic Barry gets struck before they can re set up the process. But he is meant to lose powers, try to get them back, fail, then successfully regaining powers.
Really ridin' the D of that one animated movie ain'tcha? You, insatiable weeabu you.
@@alittlelatelotusblossom5025that movie does adapt the comic beat for beat
@@alittlelatelotusblossom5025 When a movie adapts a comic exactly, you tend to like it because hey, they did a good job adapting that story you liked.
Then again, you're enough of a dipshit to call someone a "weeabu" for liking an american movie about an american story.
@@alittlelatelotusblossom5025 excuse moi, that term is reserved for weirdos obsessed with japan.
i don't understand how that is different tho..
This movie for me, is DC’s TASM 2. There are some very compelling story elements and ideas in this movie, that I love, and think is some of the coolest stuff in a superhero movie (A future version of the main character, being their own mentor is crazy) However, the execution of said ideas, and the shoehorned in Cameos and Easter Eggs made my skin crawl.
Lightyear did it better.
TASM 2?
This is the perfect description for this movie
Tasm 2 es batman v superman quisieron poner la justice league parademons el joker la muerte de superman sin saber como iba a resultar el universo
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
the funny thing is that Kara's lightning didn't work, young barry had to touch old barry for the speed for to share the powers.
The explanation with hands is just amazing... 😅
Man I really love your movie breakdown. You view and comment on the movie objectively.
At first I kinda enjoy the movie because of the same reason as you but when you make this video it really shows that this movie have a lot of inconsistencies and useless scenes that leads to nowhere.
Anyway I really love your videos, keep it up.
I remember filmento was begging for more Faora and I can feel his pain when he was talking about how they wasted her AND Zod in this movie.
The camera didn’t catch Barry face? Wouldn’t the footage look sus? Ok fine, he moved cans in flash mode, wouldn’t the cans look like a jump cut and footage look altered in court?
The Tom wail during the lightning flash was just *chef's kiss*
The one thing that bothered me to this day was his inability to defeat Kryptonians with his incredible speed and time travel powers. I mean, with his capabilities, you'd think he would at least attempt the famous 'infinite mass punch.' It could have been such an epic moment if the writers explored that angle.
The Flash's powers don't work well against Kryptonians because they're also very fast while being *much* stronger.
@BiggieTrismegistus tell me one rando non-famous kryptonian who can run with enough speed to time travel and run fast enough to punch with the mass of a dwarf star? Seriously, a speedster at original Barry's level would blitz the kryptonian forces that were currently on earth ten times over before they could perceive it even happened. Writers don't want flash to get any points when facing kryptonians, especially the well-known ones like Zod or Kara, more so in comics than in movies. Also, strength is nothing to a speedster who has a very good connection to speed force, infinite mass punch is enough to overpower most strength feats shown so far in DCU
That’s what I thought I was waiting for the punch but it cool to see the other moves like the finger and tornado and the phase through the wall
Could you do a Pacific Rim review? Seriously underrated film
It is really similar to Independance Day.
@@anubusx the mecha fights were the main selling point of pacific rim and i dont see them in independence day, so the similar plots dont matter imo
Whatever it's currently rated is too much. It's visually compelling but that's about it.
Erza's bug eye stare into everything throws the most off for me.
I think you got your point across. In my humble opinion, I would love to see the overarching narrative of "let it go, accept the past" done right/ shown from your perspective of how it could be done right and present examples of such themes done right in other movie. That would make this video a 10/10 perfect. It's close, though. I've been watching you for a while, and you keep getting better. 🎉
dont worry we all think the same lmao
I laughed way too hard @ 9:40 tom's scream 😂
To be honest, Michael Keaton's Batman was easily one of the best parts of the movie for me. It was really great to see him as Batman again. I also enjoyed Supergirl for most of the movie as well. That being said, I thought Ezra Miller was fine as the Flash (still won't make me forget about his crimes, though)- however, his performance was both good and also annoying (as both young Barry and present Barry). Additionally, I did like the idea of that big cameo scene at the climax, but the execution of it was... iffy to say the least (this is mostly due to how goofy the CGI is).
I hear this a lot, that Michael Keaton was the best part of the movie. Why? What was so great about it?
I couldn't figure out what he was even doing there.
Why would Michael Keaton be in the same universe as Michael Shannon's Zod?
Imagine replacing him with Ben Affleck. It's the same fucking movie, only now it doesn't need to contrive a reason for him to be Michael Keaton. It feels more cohesive. The emotional connection between him and Barry feels authentic because they already knew each other. Michael Keaton completely took me out of the movie. He was one of the worst things about it.
@@chairmanm3ow I don't get how there's no fan or nostalgia in you that's not hyped to see keaton come back as batman ?? Keaton deserved action scenes like those , the OG Batman
Michael Keaton was SUPPOSED to be the best part of the movie. The trailers made it very clear.
It's the fan in me that demands substance. As I said in another comment, I love The Terminator. But I don't get any joy from seeing a 70-year-old Arnold show up in some piece of shit sequel to look at the camera and say "I'll be back".
Frankly it's disrespectful to Keaton's legacy as Batman to bring him back in someone else's movie to try to boost ticket sales.
If they were serious about it, it would have been its own movie and they would have gotten Tim Burton to direct it.
@@chairmanm3ow Arnold in the terminator comes all the time, keaton is a one off and he had a very important role here
I really don't understand how they have a flashpoint movie without reverse flash
The biggest problem I have with the writing is that Barry Allen is THE comic relief character among the JLA! They swapped Batman into that role, and it fails.
You had me until "the tomato sauce breaks the logical and thematic point of the spaghetti" 😂😂 Brilliant!
The different Batman actors were needed to separate the different timelines. That's why the opening sequence using Affleck was needed. It also tries to show Flash's role in the Justice league as the least valuable character. To me the this was also a needed part to show the development of the old Barry into a more mature person. Linking the Gotham terrorists into another timeline would have also been pointless as timelines differ.
But did we need a Bruce Wayne in that last scene, especially if there’s no plans to use that incarnation in the future? Wasn’t there another way to signify Barry being in a different timeline that didn’t involve cockteasing the audience?
@@levischorpioen Yes, of course :) But as it is currently done, that was the role of the different Batmans. There always can be better ways to do things, but then it also starts to be a personal preference which works best.
Great video man :]
This is an excellent analysis