The largest combat ships I'd even consider for my group, even in-game, is the Perseus and maybe the Polaris. The Idris is a lot of ship with a lot of crew positions.
Yup. People forget the K-kit Idris has 4 auto turrets. I think this makes it much easier to use less crewmembers. With 4 auto turrets you could get by with 5-7. Pilot, 6 gunners and an engineer. Not optimal but no one out there without an Idris is gonna test you. And let’s face it. 90% of the big ships are gonna short crews.
Thanks again Steakuwu & Orian of Omega Org for the clutch assistance in capturing that Idris. We parked it next to Stanton overnight so no sector security would hassle us & put 3 folks on it for redundancy. All in all, this just makes me more hyped for the Ironclad; More room for activities, fewer hallways 👾
@Billionaire Ninjas - Hoping you see this, and would like to know what you think. I really hope you see things a little differently when Engineering comes out. This ship is almost Twice as big as the Polaris. And you will need a full crew to take care of the Polaris. The Idris is a ship of war. It can only really dish out the pain and intimidate. Just like the Polaris. This ship is designed to be supported. So when you go into the verse. You are going to spend 50x times as longer getting the ship prepared and ready compared the the Polaris. Just the size of it alone will dictate that. The sheer size of it internally will just cut your productivity time in less then half. One person is going to be doing the job of almost 10 people. Think about that. I can not use the Torps on my Polaris, I have to have a Weapons officer do the targeting just to have somewhere for the torps to go. Then "" ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY FIRE THE Sx10 TORPEDO'S "" The order is given. My order on that matter. Someone has to deal with power management. Others will deal with Engineering. Others will need to man the turrets even if not offensively jus to that we don't have to take fire on all sides of the ship/ Then I will be dictating how things will go down just to survive a particular situation that we managed to get into. You on the other hand will be having to figure out where your going to go after you get into your escape pods because you have decided to have your ship under powered. And yes I said under powered because your crew is an extension of your ship and an extension of your ship's power. If you just have less then the bare minimum and go into combat... an entire fighter escort will make short work of your Idris and will have scrapped any plans you made for the next month or more nit including the month's you have spent preparing for what ever you might be doing before you got in a jam. We need to stop thinking of things before they were a year ago. Fighter's are no longer the meta. You need to start thinking of mostly multiplayer game play and the more players you have to help you the better.
This big ships are the essence of SC for me. Crewing those and having fleets engaging with Fighters supporting is gonna be all we've ever dreamed of as SciFi fans.
I could already see three big use cases for it. If you just wanted a standard frigate, you could do a Hull, -a, gladius and a vanguard. And that would give you a basic carrier. A way to restock and refuel basic supplies and defend yourself. The second one I could see is a Hunter interdiction model, where you have a vanguard sentinel doing e-warfare, a terrapin doing scanning, and a mantis doing interdiction or just running their systems from the hanger Bay. I think the last one I'm excited about is the idea of scavenger Idris; this one has a Vulcan, a vulture and a cutter scout. This configuration goes out scans for wrecks in the cutter and then launches the vulture to do salvage work and maybe the Vulcan if this is something that could be repaired instead of destroyed. All of the cargo goes in back into the idris again for repairs and supplies
Ships like this will need a full crew and full crewed supportships. I dont see more than a handfull of these fully crewed. Ships with more than 10 people needed seemes to me useless or helplessly underpowered. But, who cares buy this powerhouse of an empty nut shell. We will have fun to board it to save your virtual lives
No substitutes man. If I'm spending that much money on a ship, it better be an Idris-M with lifetime insurance. I'm not spending that kind of money on anything less. No to the P. No to the K. No sale. No way!
If I learned anything when doing the invictus idris tour, the only way to use an Idris as the captain of said Idris is the majestically T-post on your captains chair to assert dominance
The Idris is really cool to have in-game, even if I don't think the game is ready for players to be able to just spawn their own whenever they want. But having an Idris that players can capture and keep for as long as the server lasts is really cool. I hope the Arlington Idris gets and update. Though, since that's _stolen,_ it should probably _remain_ flagged as stolen even if lawful players are in control. Maybe give it a 30 minute "tresspassing timer" like with the bunkers.
Great video... Keep them coming. I enjoy hearing your take on things. About the Idris and other large capital ships... things like the 890 included.. what they lack is the functionality they imply. At least the 890 and Carrack have functional med bays. I expect the Idris will as well, but the way I see the Idris, it's main functionality will be as a mobile base of operations. You can't camp what you can't find. The Idris is 200 yards of diplomacy. When you identify an area you want to mine.. you send out your mining ships and you land an Idris. It's THE way to tell everyone else to back off... and that for the next several hours this patch of land isn't worth your life. To pull that off... when people go to the galley... they need to find food. Go to the hangar? They need to be able to refuel and repair. Go to the births... they expect to be able to bed log like a hab. These things are really non negotiable. And CIG needs to get to work NOW and figure out how to make those things happen. Boring interiors I can handle... so long as they actually do what they are supposed to do.
Agreed, its a boring interior but its a military ship which means it shouldn't be flashy. Military normally only cares about functionality. Being in the USAF for 22 years I can vouch lol.
I heard from people who captured an IDRIS during Xeno Threat that even with moderate battle damage, it cost several million aUEC to repair it. .... . Something to keep in mind if you are considering buying larger ships.
I can't see myself having such a big ship at the moment. I need too have more info about what npc crew will be able to do. Maybe you could tell us what you know and think about it in a dedicated video?! 😁👌🏾
I will for sure but until then. Check out Digthat32's Video he has an excellent breakdown of it that just came out. I can't imagine my video will be much better.
Combat is not my playstyle, I'm more of a support or industrial player, so it's a pass for me, but I'll be happy to be a crewmember on this, so dn't hesitate to ask for a hand (or two) guys!
To be honest, right now the redeemer is so much more useful than the prowler - So I think you made the right choice. I think it'll be really fun to see future reworks of the Prowler, since it is currently not valued correctly.
The expensive capital ships, to make them seem worth it have been given to many capabilities. The only thing this ship can't do is refine. And repair itself!
@@billionaireninjas I'd wager even further out. v1.0 may be by 2028-2030 and even then, Genesis, Orion, Pioneer, Kracken and Javelin won't be flyable on Day One.
@@billionaireninjas Too many other ships ahead of it in the ship pipeline. Low priority and no AI for passenger flights with loading and unloading anywhere on the horizon.
I like the comment about your Idris being "under powered" but id also like to add my thoughts on engineering. The idea itself is interesting. BUT... (And its a big but) no one in their right mind is going to be able to consistently, or even very rarely, find 8-10 engineers to run around this ship just in case something threatening enough comes along where youll need them. Your idea if 8 as a minimum seems valid, but youll need just as many engineers to have everything covered. So 15+ is sounding a lot like your 20 guesstimate. And if they dont do engineering correctly (i own the idris, javi, orion, polaris, kraken, etc etc...) they wont be viable for use. They SHOULD be that rare moment or ship to see out. And i dont WANT to have 30-50 AI to man these ships. But if they make engineering what it seems like its going to be, 8-12 seems accurate for the idris. 25-35 for the javelin. And ill never even want to convince people to do that. Hell let alone i can get that many people on just to stare at a panel "just in case" is ridiculous
If you are doing Recycled material runs in a C2 it costs 8.2 mil to fill up and you make 2 million per run. With the Idris you could make 3 million per run easy
Oh wow I thought it was a lot less than that but I haven't been doing a lot less cargo runs lately two weeks ago I was only pulling in about 500k per run.
@@billionaireninjas you have to buy recycled material composite. The most profitable route is Purchase at Rappel in hurston Sell at A18 Rinse and repeat
I'm still wondering where you are getting all this money from to be able to run your Capitol ship, fully crewed and fully stocked and fully equipped on day one? 🧐
I mean day one I will be on the game from midnight of launch to about midnight the next day so I would guess that I would have amassed A LOT of money playing for 24 hours straight. I should have enough by hour 14 to make a solid run of it. Then 10 hours of meyhem...except I don't own an idris so this would be used for my Orion or one of my endeavors or my Odyssey or... something like that lol
@@billionaireninjas I love this channel I love videos I love the idris and I wonder it but background music is everytime annoys me. I am not new follower
Yes, it wasn't supposed to have background music at all but I forgot to take it out and the video takes 6 hours to upload in 4k so I left it. It will be better next time hopefully
The largest combat ships I'd even consider for my group, even in-game, is the Perseus and maybe the Polaris. The Idris is a lot of ship with a lot of crew positions.
Yup. People forget the K-kit Idris has 4 auto turrets. I think this makes it much easier to use less crewmembers. With 4 auto turrets you could get by with 5-7. Pilot, 6 gunners and an engineer. Not optimal but no one out there without an Idris is gonna test you. And let’s face it. 90% of the big ships are gonna short crews.
Thanks again Steakuwu & Orian of Omega Org for the clutch assistance in capturing that Idris.
We parked it next to Stanton overnight so no sector security would hassle us & put 3 folks on it for redundancy.
All in all, this just makes me more hyped for the Ironclad; More room for activities, fewer hallways 👾
Don't forget modern navys have support ships
@Billionaire Ninjas - Hoping you see this, and would like to know what you think.
I really hope you see things a little differently when Engineering comes out.
This ship is almost Twice as big as the Polaris. And you will need a full crew to take care of the Polaris.
The Idris is a ship of war. It can only really dish out the pain and intimidate. Just like the Polaris. This ship is designed to be supported.
So when you go into the verse. You are going to spend 50x times as longer getting the ship prepared and ready compared the the Polaris.
Just the size of it alone will dictate that. The sheer size of it internally will just cut your productivity time in less then half.
One person is going to be doing the job of almost 10 people. Think about that.
I can not use the Torps on my Polaris, I have to have a Weapons officer do the targeting just to have somewhere for the torps to go.
Then "" ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY FIRE THE Sx10 TORPEDO'S ""
The order is given. My order on that matter. Someone has to deal with power management.
Others will deal with Engineering.
Others will need to man the turrets even if not offensively jus to that we don't have to take fire on all sides of the ship/
Then I will be dictating how things will go down just to survive a particular situation that we managed to get into.
You on the other hand will be having to figure out where your going to go after you get into your escape pods because you have decided to have your ship under powered.
And yes I said under powered because your crew is an extension of your ship and an extension of your ship's power.
If you just have less then the bare minimum and go into combat... an entire fighter escort will make short work of your Idris and will have scrapped any plans you made for the next month or more nit including the month's you have spent preparing for what ever you might be doing before you got in a jam.
We need to stop thinking of things before they were a year ago. Fighter's are no longer the meta. You need to start thinking of mostly multiplayer game play and the more players you have to help you the better.
Oh lmao all my ship will be fully crewed at all times most of my ships are multicrew so at least an ai blade when not crewed
This big ships are the essence of SC for me. Crewing those and having fleets engaging with Fighters supporting is gonna be all we've ever dreamed of as SciFi fans.
It's gonna be rad seeing these types of ships floating around the 'verse once they're out in the wild.
I could already see three big use cases for it. If you just wanted a standard frigate, you could do a Hull, -a, gladius and a vanguard. And that would give you a basic carrier. A way to restock and refuel basic supplies and defend yourself. The second one I could see is a Hunter interdiction model, where you have a vanguard sentinel doing e-warfare, a terrapin doing scanning, and a mantis doing interdiction or just running their systems from the hanger Bay. I think the last one I'm excited about is the idea of scavenger Idris; this one has a Vulcan, a vulture and a cutter scout. This configuration goes out scans for wrecks in the cutter and then launches the vulture to do salvage work and maybe the Vulcan if this is something that could be repaired instead of destroyed. All of the cargo goes in back into the idris again for repairs and supplies
Bro I'm with you, EVERY ship is the best ship in the game 😂
Ships like this will need a full crew and full crewed supportships. I dont see more than a handfull of these fully crewed.
Ships with more than 10 people needed seemes to me useless or helplessly underpowered.
But, who cares buy this powerhouse of an empty nut shell. We will have fun to board it to save your virtual lives
I was tempted to get one of these this Invictus but thankfully I held off
No substitutes man. If I'm spending that much money on a ship, it better be an Idris-M with lifetime insurance. I'm not spending that kind of money on anything less. No to the P. No to the K. No sale. No way!
If I learned anything when doing the invictus idris tour, the only way to use an Idris as the captain of said Idris is the majestically T-post on your captains chair to assert dominance
Its too big for me, i think i'd like to crew one eventually. But if you own it, you really can just wait.
The Idris is really cool to have in-game, even if I don't think the game is ready for players to be able to just spawn their own whenever they want. But having an Idris that players can capture and keep for as long as the server lasts is really cool. I hope the Arlington Idris gets and update. Though, since that's _stolen,_ it should probably _remain_ flagged as stolen even if lawful players are in control. Maybe give it a 30 minute "tresspassing timer" like with the bunkers.
Shoot if I had an Idris, i wouldn't even know what to do with it!! 🤯 Lol o7!🤙🏽
The Idris as it is is too big for me. I wish they would make the original Corvette sized ship, because I'd buy that.
Wouldn't the Perseus more or less fill that role?
Then do as I did and take a Polaris! You basically got a more aggressive Idris that is a bit less versatile
Great video... Keep them coming. I enjoy hearing your take on things.
About the Idris and other large capital ships... things like the 890 included.. what they lack is the functionality they imply.
At least the 890 and Carrack have functional med bays. I expect the Idris will as well, but the way I see the Idris, it's main functionality will be as a mobile base of operations. You can't camp what you can't find.
The Idris is 200 yards of diplomacy. When you identify an area you want to mine.. you send out your mining ships and you land an Idris. It's THE way to tell everyone else to back off... and that for the next several hours this patch of land isn't worth your life.
To pull that off... when people go to the galley... they need to find food. Go to the hangar? They need to be able to refuel and repair. Go to the births... they expect to be able to bed log like a hab.
These things are really non negotiable. And CIG needs to get to work NOW and figure out how to make those things happen.
Boring interiors I can handle... so long as they actually do what they are supposed to do.
I still think the idris is an amazing ship! I'm just not buying one until at least the Polaris and Perseus are out so I can see what size I need.
Agreed, its a boring interior but its a military ship which means it shouldn't be flashy. Military normally only cares about functionality. Being in the USAF for 22 years I can vouch lol.
Hooah!
its going to be super fun with a bunch of people
CIG has stated that we won't see the completed interior until Squadron 42 is released. Right now, you are seeing a hollow shell basically.
Accept for xeno threat
They literally did tours at Invictus. . .
I personaly dont own an IDRIS .. YET but i did pick up Polaris so ..ya
If the Idris guns stay with 9k dps I mean that's nuts
We will quickly find out the difference between what we like and what works best when the game releases I can't wait
i was really expecting this (and all vids like this about concept ships) to open up with: "so you bought an Idris, now what? well, you wait!"
Well, thats a great idea lol
It's a really cool ship but for me anything slower than a Corsair/Connie is too boring.
I heard from people who captured an IDRIS during Xeno Threat that even with moderate battle damage, it cost several million aUEC to repair it. ....
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Something to keep in mind if you are considering buying larger ships.
I can't see myself having such a big ship at the moment. I need too have more info about what npc crew will be able to do.
Maybe you could tell us what you know and think about it in a dedicated video?! 😁👌🏾
I will for sure but until then. Check out Digthat32's Video he has an excellent breakdown of it that just came out. I can't imagine my video will be much better.
@@billionaireninjas yeah! Thanks! I was looking a it! Lol 😁👍🏾
love the intro btw
Now...now you wait.
Nice! Congrats on your Redeemer! Yeah, it truly is beautiful. I just wish the interior was a bit more detailed. Otherwise, the Idris is a great ship!
Combat is not my playstyle, I'm more of a support or industrial player, so it's a pass for me, but I'll be happy to be a crewmember on this, so dn't hesitate to ask for a hand (or two) guys!
To be honest, right now the redeemer is so much more useful than the prowler - So I think you made the right choice. I think it'll be really fun to see future reworks of the Prowler, since it is currently not valued correctly.
The answer is yes 😂
The expensive capital ships, to make them seem worth it have been given to many capabilities. The only thing this ship can't do is refine. And repair itself!
Redeemer is not a bad ship, but you can always throw it in a chain for the starliner, and fly in the meantime!
I can’t decide if I want an idris for my fleet the crew requirement gets me so nervous
Going to need a lot of crew to run these effectively once all the ship systems are in place
Kudos to you putting in the work sir! You continue to keep me informed.
6-7 months?! Brotha, turn them months into years!!!
Genesis is up there with the Orion and the Pioneer... YEARS away!
8 years ago we thought the BMM was around the corner and SQ42 was weeks away from release.
The 6-7 months was just before we heard news about it, not when we would get it. Definitely at least a year and half before its in-game.
@@billionaireninjas I'd wager even further out. v1.0 may be by 2028-2030 and even then, Genesis, Orion, Pioneer, Kracken and Javelin won't be flyable on Day One.
Why the genesis not flyable on day one? I wouldn't put that in the same category as those others.
@@billionaireninjas Too many other ships ahead of it in the ship pipeline. Low priority and no AI for passenger flights with loading and unloading anywhere on the horizon.
Idris is way cooler than i thought it would be once I saw it in game.
I like the comment about your Idris being "under powered" but id also like to add my thoughts on engineering. The idea itself is interesting. BUT... (And its a big but) no one in their right mind is going to be able to consistently, or even very rarely, find 8-10 engineers to run around this ship just in case something threatening enough comes along where youll need them. Your idea if 8 as a minimum seems valid, but youll need just as many engineers to have everything covered. So 15+ is sounding a lot like your 20 guesstimate. And if they dont do engineering correctly (i own the idris, javi, orion, polaris, kraken, etc etc...) they wont be viable for use. They SHOULD be that rare moment or ship to see out. And i dont WANT to have 30-50 AI to man these ships. But if they make engineering what it seems like its going to be, 8-12 seems accurate for the idris. 25-35 for the javelin. And ill never even want to convince people to do that. Hell let alone i can get that many people on just to stare at a panel "just in case" is ridiculous
Yeah I think NPC will be mandatory on all ships large and above, but some people will legitimately enjoy being engineers.
Great at initiating divorce procedures 😂
cant wait to see all the capital and sub capital hips in the verse
How mutch cost the ship ??
$1500
Don't expect the star liner for at least a few years imho
It'll be so cool to see these things docked at stations.
If you are doing Recycled material runs in a C2 it costs 8.2 mil to fill up and you make 2 million per run. With the Idris you could make 3 million per run easy
Oh wow I thought it was a lot less than that but I haven't been doing a lot less cargo runs lately two weeks ago I was only pulling in about 500k per run.
@@billionaireninjas you have to buy recycled material composite. The most profitable route is
Purchase at Rappel in hurston
Sell at A18
Rinse and repeat
But does it have a Michael Bay?
Hell yeah redeemer gang!
I totaly agree.
i´ll be waiting XD
hi
Redeemer gang!
I'm still wondering where you are getting all this money from to be able to run your Capitol ship, fully crewed and fully stocked and fully equipped on day one? 🧐
I mean day one I will be on the game from midnight of launch to about midnight the next day so I would guess that I would have amassed A LOT of money playing for 24 hours straight. I should have enough by hour 14 to make a solid run of it. Then 10 hours of meyhem...except I don't own an idris so this would be used for my Orion or one of my endeavors or my Odyssey or... something like that lol
Background music is too freaking much
The ongoing battle to try to put it at a level everyone likes continues...
@@billionaireninjas I love this channel I love videos I love the idris and I wonder it but background music is everytime annoys me. I am not new follower
Yes, it wasn't supposed to have background music at all but I forgot to take it out and the video takes 6 hours to upload in 4k so I left it. It will be better next time hopefully
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