AMD Needs to Step Up: Nvidia’s Leaked $2500 RTX 5090 Price Tag is Outrageous! & 5080 16gb Is A Joke!
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Stopped buying Nvidia and went AMD last gen. Have had almost zero problems and play most games at 4K. Not ever going back unless their prices drop a good bit!
We don't know what they're going to cost, same leakers said the 4090 would cost $2500, a new article from WCCF Tech today says the 5090 will cost the same as 4090, who knows. As for AMD they have shown generation after generation they aren't interested in competing with Nvidia on price instead of following the prices Nvidia sets at the beginning of each generation. This has become a meme at this point where it is mentioned even in reviews, they release their equivalent GPU to Nvidia at $50 or $100 cheaper, and than months later they slash their prices to what they should've been to begin with wasting an opportunity to gain market share when the hype and fomo is at it's highest.
The trap some people fall into is manipulating themselves to believe that one company are the good guys who care and the other the bad guys who don't and make purchasing decisions out of spite, when in reality they are the same, trying to make as much money of the products they have to offer to the free market. The free market than decides what something is worth based of whether it sells or not, if it sells price stays the same, if it doesn't price goes down. Very simple concept.
if you think that AMD can win with lower prices than Nvidia you're delusional. look the price of iPhone vs Xiaomi. iPhone is way more expensive. which phone sells more? iPhone. it's all about brand recognition. who has this in gpu market? Nvidia. how do you think the 8gb 4060 outsell the 12gb of AMD at same price range? brand recognition. that's how Nvidia wins. Nvidia AIB market share is 88%. the overwhelming majority of gamers see Nvidia and buy one based on their budget.
@@SapiaNt0mata Well they're not going to win by pricing their cards very close to the Nvidia counterparts. Be it feature parity and mindshare a good price can make up for that. They do quite well in the mid range market.
Ultimately though I think Radeon marketing in general is not good. For example FSR 3 frame generation can do a better job generating more frames than DLSS 3 FG at similar quality, and if you have an AMD gpu it can generate even more frames. This is something they can use in their marketing and that they can do it without specialized hardware.
I've never seen them market this, just something I found out by benchmarking and others have found the same.
Nvidia is out there making deals with system integrators, sending review samples to content creators or sponsoring streamers.
AMD almost don't bother. Ancient Gameplays one of the top AMD creators had to make a video voicing his frustration that people dont even answer his emails. One of the most helpful guys. Even Nvidia saw an opportunity and send him a couple of cards.
I follow both Geforce and AMD on Twitter. Nvidia are very active always advertising their tech, doing giveaways etc. You win mindshare by have a competent marketing team and being as competitive as Nvidia which are geniouses at marketing.
I say this because I want to see them do better but I take issue when people try to frame AMD as some sort of a victim in all this bullied by Nvidia and brainwashed consumers who dont know any better.
It's AMD's job to make sure that the consumer knows better. Right?
got my two brother’s to come to AMD
Hell yeah
Had 1650 went to 580 cause of price and power requirements
My hhd was failing and fans kicked drawing more power than whole computer
Now need hhd so putting all money in gpu is for rich
The stuttering in SH2 that Alex was talking about isn't an Nvidia exclusive issue. It's an issue on all cards. The game uses heavy Volumetrics and GI so things are even worse on Radeon. I'm a fan of both companies and want AMD to make full features cards as much as anyone. If you are wondering what I'm talking about with the GI and Volumtric issues look at Radeon drive patch notes over the past year. Over 20 games have released in the last year that AMD themselves listed as having issues with GI, Volumetrics or transparencies. Usually a combo of crashing and graphical glitches.
I did notice it but it wasn't so bad?? I am using AFMF2, which for some reason is more fluid than some native implementations *cough* darktide *cough*
On top of being a UE5 engine
I had to go with the 7900XTX. I bought mine a year ago for under $1000 and got a free $60 game with it. The 4080 was still $1200. 16GB of VRAM vs 24GB and $200+ less cost for the XTX. I just couldn't pay more for less VRAM.
Awesome brother I bought both the 4080 Super and 7900XTX i sold the 4080 Super
Same for me more or less. Well, over a year ago now in the UK, the 4080 was £1300 to 1400 and the I got a Sapphire PULSE 7900XTX for £889 with a free game.
@@jamesgodfrey1322That's the same model I got. A solid performer.
Amd can't win because when they do compete they still lose. It's about banding together saying no to nvidi and showing them people have the power to control your prices!
Will never ever "mercy buy" a GPU for $1000. It's AMD that need to convince me their stuff is better.
@@ZeroZingo No one is telling you mercy buy LOL. We are saying AMD GPUs are more than good enough to compete with Nvidia so, if you don't like their prices, buy AMD.
@ZeroZingo if you take RT to one side, the 7900xtx is basically a 4080 super. 4080 launch price was 1150. Rx 7900 xtx was 999. Not many gamers bother with RT. They're stuck in their ways and won't help themselves, including you. Good luck affording a high-end gpu in ten years' time.
@@Craig-e9i Who gives a crap about launch prices? Right now I can get an XTX or a 4080S for the same price.
XTX has a worse upscaler, 100-160W more power usage, no broadcast, no reflex and on top of that you're stuck using AMD's drivers. So not really a 4080 at all unless the only thing you care about is avg raster performance.
@@mattparsons8598 the 4080 super and 7900xtx is not the same price , you can get a 7900xtx for 850$ vs 1000$ for a 4080 super, amd drivers are not bad, you only hear its bad from nvidia fanboys that don't own amd hardware.
Yes the upscaler is worse on radeon but its not much worse @1440p and 4k. You can also use xess on radeon. The power consumption is higher, but the last generation of nvidia cards had terrible power consumption and no one complained. It means that nvidia fanboys only use power consumption argument when it's convenient to them
I am certain if you can get a 4090 for 1000$ you could care less about power consumption.
Next Ngreedia Gpu, it will be 3500 Dls, Im so happy for you Ngreedia fans.
I am an AMD fan but just bought Nvidia 4080 super co's AMD hasn't dropped their prices. and 7000 series was not enough of an upgrade over my rx 6800. I don't care about fanboy shit I just want a decent GPU. But had been AMD since forever. Since ATI days
@@Steelninja77Where you been? Just got a 7900xtx magnetic air for $850
@@Steelninja77 You're a LIAR! The RTX 4080 is SLOWER than the RX 7900 XTX so don't try to feed us the BS about how big an upgrade it was. Also, don't feed us your lies about pricing because if you cared about that, you wouldn't have bought an RTX 4080 (which costs MORE than the RX 7900 XTX).
I know this because I went to an RX 7900 XTX from an RX 6800 XT (considerably faster than your RX 6800) and it's a HUGE upgrade, more so than the RTX 4080. So, what, you only buy Radeons if they drop their prices but you're willing to pay top dollar for a GeForce card? You're so full of $hit that I can smell you from here because nobody who was telling the truth would call themselves an AMD fan after doing that. Actions speak louder than words.
Liars like you are pathetic because sooner or later, a REAL tech expert like me comes along and makes you look like the ass that you are!
@@Steelninja77 OK!!
Soon we all will have to take out mortgages for video cards.
Yep
For 15% gain every couple of years
@@frogboyx1Gamingexactly the boost is not even that worth it honestly
Only if you keep buying GeForce cards.
@@AvroBellow dude, you can't control what the normie customers = the majority buy. the normie customer don't make a 1-month research on youtube, and after 50 hours of research looking at different gpus buys a gpu. normie customers see that Nvidia is more popular and buy Nvidia. it's so simple. iPhone cost like $1,400. you can buy a $500 phone that is good. but nope. people will spend $1,400 for iPhone. why? brand recognition. that's how Nvidia is. Nvidia has 88% AIB market share. people see Nvidia and buy it.
Gamers are no longer the customers.
they are. they have another customer base for their other gpus. do you know that Nvidia has a $30,000+ gpu? it does exist, but it's not meant for gamers, so it's not marketed for gamers.
true , nvidia makes 25 billion from AI gpu sales and only makes 2 billion from gaming gpus , so nvidia serves customers who give them more money , sorry nvidia fanboys , your daddy jensen haung doesnot care about you
OLED with proper HDR implementation is better than any RT effect.
I agree 100% with this statement
What about both implementations RT with HDR on an OLED ?
And if the game doesn't have proper HDR you can just use RTX HDR to fix it.
@@Sp3cialk304 exactly and enjoy both not just one.
@@OniiXGaming how good RT looks in HDR with OLED monitor is totally up to how good the Devs can make their game since they have to manually adjust HDR scene by scene with color gradients combined with RT. Some games RT looks good, while a lot of others RT doesn't look good as it takes a lot of dev time to implement and make it look good.
It has to be said but Nvidia has by all accounts become the Apple of Computer Hardware. People will shell out 2x what they paid before just for a marginal upgrade. And Nvidia knows this, and they know that they have pretty much the entire market cap of GPUs. You talk alot about AMD but Intel is still miles behind in GPUs, so overall, Nvidia still leaves the others in the dust. So they'll continue to take advantage of it, until the competitors are acknowledged. And I have a feeling that we're reaching performance ceilings, which are present now in Nvidia upgrades, that will give time for the others to catch up at better prices.
Nvidia has 88% AIB market share, so of course they know. when 8gb 4060 outsells the 12gb AMD, it says all they need to know = that no matter what they'll do they'll still win.
Frog you are right I built an entire PC at Microcenter for less than the price of the 4090 rog strix
Asrock taichi 7900 xtx 934
Cool master pc case 99
Rog strix aio 155
Samsung 2 tb sad 170
7800x3d motherboard ram combo 650
MSI 1000 watt power 160
Total 2300
4090 rog strix 2400 on amazon 😂
That's insane brother that's how much mine was to build also
@@frogboyx1Gaming My PC has been a work in progress for over 15 years. I think that it's worth about $6,000+ Canadian Dollars at this point. It's amazingly easy to just upgrade little things here are there until you have a real monster of a system on your hands.
price of 4090 went back up because Nvidia has stopped making 4090s and is now ramping up to make chips for 5000 series. 4090 right now is very low on stock.
Strange comparison. Could've used the ROG Strix Matrix 4090 as an example which launched at $3500 msrp for an even bigger savings lol. Joking aside the Strix 4090 at $2400 is dumb inflated price and from what I've heard stock supply for 4090s is really low thus higher price in general. It's not even the competing card to the 7900XTX though, the 4080 Super is which would've cost you the same amount of money to build. Maybe $50 more with the 4080 Super.
A lot of AMD shills on the comments. AMD is Nvidia. They are the same thing. They work together. The CEOs are literally family members. Nvidia taking the high end and AMD taking the low end, both equally overpriced. Both on the same team, split up technical only to provide both cover from regulator with the lie there is competition in the market. If you support AMD, you also support Nvidia. It's the same thing.
If your company can't be monopoly, make it so your family can.
They are still beholden to the shareholders so that makes no sense. If the shareholders complain to the board they will fire a CEO in a second. They aren’t the owners of the company they can’t do what they want. However as long as AMD dominates the CPU market it should t be an issue……shouldn’t be.
Why screw over each other when they can team up together and screw over the customer
The CEOs are not everything
My wallet disagrees.
I just got a similar item from micro center, 7900xtx references card, 32inch Asus 4k Oled both open box for 779.99 each what a barging. for less than a 4090
Hell yeah brother that's awesome
7900XT doing me justice 🐸
Yes sir it's an awesome card brother
Man my 6800xt is still knocking it down!
Frog boy our 7900xtx's will be plenty good until amd comes out with another high end gpu. As long as they do and they don't go to many generations
I agreed. I fully expect my 7900 XTX to go the distance until
AMD’s “9000” series GPU in 2028 or 2029.
I think so too
@@Reluctant_Hero It will course it will. My Rx 6800 would have.
AMD has already announced that they are not making high end 8000s series GPUs (no 8900XT or 8900XTX), so the 7900XT and 7900XTX will be best cards in 8000s generation.
@@sparda9060 with less RT performance though.
Why should they compete so nvidia lower the prices ? you will all still buy nvidia anyway just at a cheaper price well unlucky keep paying stupid prices
rtx 4060 with 8gb outsells the 12gb rx7600 with a chaotic difference. there's not even a competition. it's 1-sided massacre. also, Nvidia has 88% AIB market share. Nvidia can sell their gpu no matter the price that AMD has. iPhone cost $1,400 and outsell other phones. Nvidia = iPhone, AMD = the rest cheaper phones. people will not stop buying Nvidia if AMD is cheaper. it has been proven over and over again.
I Bought a 6650xt last year after I came back to pc gaming, used to use Nvidia all the time, but prices have become ridiculous with them, so I opted for AMD ,and I have never had any problems with the card, runs everything I need it to run, the only small gripe is that I didn't save up a bit more cash to get something with more memory like a 6700 , but that's on me😂
Well at least you know now that AMD is a viable option
@@frogboyx1Gaming Absolutely 👍
AMD doe not need to step up, the mid range market is theirs and they are happy with it...
7800xt, 7900 GRE...BEST mid range cards on the market for 200-300 less than greedy nvidia...
yes they do, cause sales say otherwise. 4070 and 4080 > 7800xt and 7900 gre. Nvidia has 88% AIB market share and AMD 12&. there's no competition. AMD needs to step up. lol.
ive had way more AMD gpus since like 2007 then nvidia, and ive always liked them, the only big difference is the support from amd vs nvidia. Amd will always come out with a driver or update or features that are good, but they just dont always release drivers for games before they launch, or make stuff easier like dropping the new verison of FSR into game folders yourself like you can with dlss, so you arent having to wait on slow ass game developers to implement stuff. that's my only gripe with them, nvidia just has more resources and support from developers to do these things quickly.
I have a 2k 144hz monitor. My gpu is 7800xt. I enabled VSR (Virtual Super Resolution) to increase the resolution to 3840x2160. I played God of War, all settings at maximum, FSR set to quality, I locked the game at 60 fps, I activated AFMF2 (AMD Fluid Motion Frames 2) and what do you think? 120 fps all the time, no stutter, absolutely no problem. It looks perfect and moves perfectly. Using VSR and playing the game at 3840x2160, when using FSR at quality the resolution the game sets to is 2560x1440. The video card performed just as well in games such as Hogwarts, Star Wars Jedi Survivor and others. From my point of view: fck ngridia.
Absolutely incredible my friend
I have a 6700xt with 1440p ultra wide. With AFMF I don’t feel like I have a huge desire to upgrade.
It'll play any game you want it to so there wouldn't be any point to upgrading. You've just proven your intellectual maturity with that post. I applaud you!
You got my subscribe bro and looking forward to you’re future coverage of the new gpus when they come up💪🏽
Thanks for the sub! I really appreciate the support
I don't know what more I can do to convince people. It's very hard to get someone to risk money on a video card ($400 - $1000) when the echo chamber keeps screaming that they're making a mistake. I really wish my friends would try Radeon cards. I've been so happy with mine... but it is, what it is. I don't know what more I can do.
I feel the same way, it's like i am yelling into an empty void.
Currently running a RX 6700 non-xt. I haven't felt the need to upgrade this gen, even with the recent price drops. I am more interested in the power efficiency improvements that the next gen will offer.
As a lifelong AMD user through the 6800xt, if your serious about VR your on an Nvidia card.
You should stop defending yourself on your choices. The argument of blaming one company because your being abused by another is absurd to begin with.
Agreed. ATi is not to blame for nVidia's insane pricing, the people who are willing to pay whatever nVidia demands are the ones at fault.
If even half of the people who own GeForce cards just decided to get a Radeon for their next upgrade, the pricing problem with nVidia would be solved PERMANENTLY in a single generation.
For me, I don't care which brand I get in my next upgrade. I want a gpu that can handle a neo g9 with hdr enable with the highest settings.
I hope you'll grab an AMD 8800 XT and test its stutters for us :) Even if it's performance falls in the 7900XT - 7900XTX range, it might be worth grabbing to save yourself a ton of money, provided the performance is sufficient for most of your games. Though I feel you'll have to forget about 4K gaming on an AMD 8800 XT even using FSR - we'll see soon enough.
Absolutely buying it
Problem is that many I know are also hobby AI users now. AMD doesn't have cuda support etc. They slept on that. Hopefuly coming back 😊
Wow can't see my own comment on youtube
I can see them AMD ROCm is getting much better this last year very exciting numbers coming from RDNA 3 with running native LLMs
you played yourself getting a matte oled monitor though. your image quality and colors are bad now
Looks Incredible too me
Stfu. Not everyone wants a glossy display due to lighting
I had the same problem with my 4080. Once I upgraded from a 12900k to a 14900k my 0.1% lows increased dramatically.
But first tested with a 9700x which wasnt bad, definitely better. 14900k just feels smoother and Iam running at 4k.
I believe that the GPU technology is ahead of the current CPUs and its very disappointing with the current nexgen CPUs.
My hopes are the 9800X3D will be able to handle the 4080 with flying colors.
it's not AMD who needs to "step up"; the reality is nvidia has brainwashed a large section of the computer DIY market that nvidia is an apple "halo" like product. they do it with features which have no discernable affect on your gaming experience like DLSS and Raytracing. People love to talk about features NVIDIA brings but no one talks about the fact these features are barely implemented by games (ray tracing, except for some cyberpunk 2077 mods, ray tracing is barely noticeable in pretty much every title that can use it) or have a massive impact on visual fidelity (people love to talk about how ass AMD FSR is but what no one say is how fucking ass DLSS is too. I mean i feel like i'm taking crazy pills. DLSS gives me a fucking headache to watch, it looks like crap. don't get me wrong, FSR is absolute trash, far worse then DLSS, but that's like comparing a honda accord to a pt cruiser, they're both trash and no one should ever drive one, but yeah, the accord is a better car, congrats).
With without Ray Tracing, which has almost no effect on your visual experience outside of cyberpunk mods, there is almost no reason not to chose your gpu based on rasterization.
But AMD loses time and time again when they try to compete with NVIDIA on price. from recent history, AMD released the 7900xtx at 1000, it was effectively a 4080super in raster/performance for 200 less. and no one bought it. no one touches it even now it's down to 800. yet people buy up the 4090 and 4080super and 4080. how do you expect AMD to "compete" when no one buys their top end product. hell people barely touch their gpus even now. the 7900gre is basically 4070ti performance for 550, vs the 4070ti which is a $800 card, the same price as the 7900xtx is currently. yet i'm willing to bet people will buy the 4070ti in greater numbers then the 7900gre (which is about it's performance level) and the 7900xtx which is far superior to it's performance level. why do i know? because it's still selling at 800+
So what is AMD supposed to do?
What people conveniently ignored the last two gens is starting in the 3000s they priced per performance vs their prior gen. the trend continued in the 4000s... and if these prices leaked by nvidia are real, the 5000s will also be priced per performance against their prior gen. they are no longer competing against their old cards in pricing. if the 4080 is about the performance of a 5070, expect the 5070 to be priced at the 4080's price. if the 5090 is x2 the performance of the 4090, expect the 5090 to be x2 the price. Nvidia is pricing against prior delivered performance only, and shifting the whole product stack up the price scale. at some people people will have to say no. but i suspect the team green fanboys will wait for amd's launch, see the 8800xt as the top of the product stack, see it competes at best with the 5070ti for 200 less, then when nvidia drops the price of the 5070ti $50 in responce everyone will sing nvidia's praises and rush out to buy the 5070ti and no one will touch amd's 8800xt
I just don't see how this situaiton changes unless gamers are willing to divorce themselves from nvidias wastebin and stops eating Jensen's shit and thinking it's delicious.
Nvidia has 88% AIB market share. AMD 12%. Nvidia is the iPhone of games. they can sell their gpu at any price and still outsell AMD. it is what it is.
Why? Nvidia knows that their whales will buy any topshelf product for any pricetag they put on it, because its the best in class. People paid that kind of money for the 3090 during covid, and they've been selling $2000 4090s from AIB partners. $1699 is the base price, and they sell.
It's called opportunity cost. Think about purchases in terms of not how much money one must part with to have the thing; rather, think about what other things one is not going to have because the money for it has been spent on the first thing. Think about what else you could have for the same amount of money. I could have bought a 4090 at any time -- the $1800 is no issue. But I bought a 7900XTX for $900 and kept $900 to use for something else. I have other hobbies besides building and playing with PCs.
If this comment makes somebody want to reply that if I weren't so poor I wouldn't have to make such compromises, please unplug your keyboard for a minute. Remember Sam Walton (founder of Walmart and Sam's Club) and at the time one of the richest men in the US, drove an old pickup even though he could have bought any vehicle made. Why? It suited him. It met his transportation needs. He was not "too poor" to afford something more expensive; he simply didn't suffer from new vehicle FOMO.
I'm exactly the same way. I'm not poor but I don't see the point of paying more for "good" when I could just pay less for "good enough".
The kids today are so self-entitled that they think that if something isn't "the best" that it's garbage. That kind of attitude leads to financial ruin and homelessness.
At least with the few games I play, the color on AMD out of the box is better. My game behaves better on my 7900xt than my 4090... I cap frames, but my 1%'s are much better on my AMD for some reason. I'm going to tinker with my 4090. Cheers Frogboy
My games behaves better on my 4090 than the 7900xt
@@Ballagun I know, and most will. It's odd that my MMO plays better on a 7900xt.
@@spook1614 It's odd that you would use cards that powerful for MMOs in the first place. Those cards were made for AAA titles, not MMOs.
Was playing through Resident Evil 2 Remake some more tonight, and I really liked the look of the graphics on my AMD PC. This older game still looks fairly good.
Of course it does, but that's not because you have a Radeon, it's because the game just looks good. The difference between Radeon and GeForce is the same as the difference between Ryzen and Core (there really isn't one).
@@AvroBellow - It's because AMD has the Radeon " secret sauce " that makes colors look better.
My main PC has NVIDIA so I made sure the backup is Radeon.
Backup PCs tend to graduate to main rig status with me so I'm counting on AMD to release something better than my 4070 TI Super.
I have to agree on the colors each vendor delivers on screen and AMD always delivers deep rich color at native Res.
NVIDIA seems to look better only if you use DLSS.
Nvidia is awesome for 4k with DLSS but AMD is King for me at 1440p
It is not always the video card, most problems start with overclocking your system, if you have no experience in it, My 7900xtx and 78003d I had problems by turning on expo, high temperature sometimes crashes. I turned off expo and put it on auto now runs like a charm, with low temperatures, and you win with expo almost to zero extra fps.
It's possible. I wouldn't know because I'm still on a 5800X3D with 32GB of DDR4-3600 CL18 with XMP enabled (stable at 3600MHz) and my XTX is solid as a rock. It could be the AM5 platform still has wrinkles to iron out. I remember that there were wrinkles when AM4 first came out regarding RAM stability.
@@AvroBellowAM5 is 2 years old launched in 2022...it's practically half way through its life.
@AvroBellow I have 6000 mega hrtz, amd guarantees that up to 5200 MHz, if you then use expo and set it to the maximum with your memory module then it is a lottery. And whoever likes it wins about 3 fps.
@@Ghengiskhansmum what are you talking about 2 years its half way through its life span? AM4 just got a new CPU the 5700X3D and AM4 is almost 9 years old... You must be referring to Intel's platform being dead in 2 or 3 gens.
@@Ghengiskhansmum It's still using first-gen AM5 motherboards so the time elapsed doesn't matter. An X370 motherboard is still only 100% stable with DDR4-2400 or slower. You can't change the hardware.
The decoupled frame generation is pretty good on AMD. You can set it in Adrenalin per-game and it works great. Hard to understand why people aren't talking about that a lot more. I've got a 7700xt at 1440p and the FG is seriously impressive. Edit: I'm still trying to spot the difference with RT on. It looks maybe 10% better. It's not that much better.
Because it's an AMD feature
@@frogboyx1Gaming Do you mean it's being downplayed because it's AMD?
@@durbledurb3992 yes
I had the 7800 XT and I just went to Best Buy and bought the RTX 4090 because I didn't know how the stock would be for the 5090 I just returned to the 4090 yesterday what you say is so true I can fluid motion frames any game that I want and usually end up having slightly better fps than games that don't even have the setting for frame gen
Yep AMD is a great choice for gaming my friend.
cool story, you returned 4090 and prefer 7800 xt because it has fluid motion frames the input delay and visual artifacts are amazing amd features.
Its cuz AMD allows you to use Frame Gen at the driver level, not needing game developers to implement it with FSR2/FSR3
On a side note about the SH2 or AW2 game shutter it’s probably because they are using UE5 engine (every game so far has been super unoptimized for that engine) like holy molly
Thats not a leak it was some random guy. It was already debunked and stated to be false by kimi the real leaker. He said it will be around what the 4090 was. He came right on and responded under the post stating compeltely false information. Kimi is pretty much always correct hes the one who got the specs right also he's the one with inside information. The other stuff the 2500 was a false troll.
Also as stated nvidia has 2 other cards in the works looks like a 24gb 5080 super or 5080 ti the 16gb is just the base 5080.
The 5090 will be sub 2k dollars from what's been stated.
You have to let me have some fun 😁 brother this PC hyper hype shit is hilarious 😂
@@frogboyx1Gaming never! Muahaha
Jk jk
I'm still using my 6800xt and 49" samsung monitor lol since the color usage in AMD works better for me and my colorblind eyes.
Nvidia will just push people back to console with these prices
PS5 Pro is looking mighty appealing
no, they won't. Nvidia is like Apple but in gpu market. Nvidia has 88% AIB market share and AMD 12%. if price was the issue for people to ditch Nvidia, then Nvidia wouldn't have 88%. people would buy AMD with lower price and make Nvidia lose. but this is not happening. Nvidia is iPhone and AMD is some other cheaper brand. the $1,400 iPhone still outsells the other cheaper brand. it is what it is.
@@frogboyx1Gaming yep
I hear you frog boy. I’m actually loving my 4070 to super - just beat Callisto Protocol at high settings and FSR quality (there’s no DLSS support in that game) and was right around 120 fps on 4K most of the time. but this next round of rumored gpus is just rubbing me the wrong way. Part of me wants to sell the 4070 ti s and jump on RDNA 4 when it’s released just to support competition and ride that until RDNA 5 comes out. We can’t have a monopoly in the GPU space. It’s ridiculous what nvidia is trying to push with this initial round of releases this generation.
(Also in case any one is wondering why I’m already upgrading - I bought the 4070 ti s as kind of a stop gap in the late spring to play Hellblade 2 at 4K. I wanted a 4080 S but just couldn’t justify spending that when the 50 series was around the corner. I was planning to buy a 5080 on launch - but what they’re releasing is an absolute joke, I won’t spend money on it.)
I’ve had both Nvidia and AMD, stutters happen on both, it’s just today’s game engines and DX12 Ultimate. Plus shader compilation/traversal stutters is effecting the CPU most.
Think it’s hard to comment on price when it’s not confirmed, think getting annoyed by a nonexistent product as of right now is a waste of energy. However, I will say that if Nvidia make the same mistakes as last gen they’ll be stupid.
They could not sell 4080’s at their msrp, you could walk into a store and pick one off the shelf a week after launch. If they look at that and say, yeah let’s double down, then they’re fools.
£799 max for the 5080, people tend to forget the 4070ti was supposed to be a 4080 but the backlash forced them to change it. £1200 for a 5080ti with more vram.
Mark my comment.
It will be crazy to watch Nvidia charge 4090 prices for a 5080
Ah shit we got images now bro is a pro!
When it comes to used GPUs value Nvidia is better, especially high-end. Nvidia users are upgrading more often, there is more supply of used cards outside of US and usually you get better deals because green team guys doesn't care as much about resale value. Have I mentioned that team red guys doesn't sell their RX 6800s because of VRAM?
Strix 4090 with 32 inch 4K QD OLED, no regrets
Was gonna say "snap" and then realised my monitor is not OLED
You won't be saying that if Radeon and Arc both cease to exist. If that happens (and it might), you can say "no regrets" to mid-range cards costing thousands because it will be YOUR OWN STUPID FAULT.
And you still can’t play new games native 4K 😂. The buyers remorse is real, and you making the point for him he got a monitor and gpu for the price of you gpu alone 😂
@@johnlong6197 why would I need native 4K when DLSS works so well.
@@AvroBellow I use amd but gosh you are such a stupid corpo cuck thinking people should spend thier hard earned money just to keep billion dollar companies afloat in competition and not getting which card actually does what they want. Stop guilting people to mercy buy products and tell amd to get their sht together cause they aint perfect too
even if nvidia lowered there prices people would still buy nvidia over amd
What 😂. Do you mean if amd lowered their prices ??
that's cause Nvidia has brand recognition. Nvidia is Apple of gpus. regardless of how AMD sets its prices, Nvidia will outsell.
according to the steam survey most nvidia gamers use the 3060 , 4060 ,1650, these cards cant even take advantage of the raytracing that nvidia fanboys love to boast about. ray tracing is not even viable unless you buy a 4070 for 550$. then with the 4070 its only viable to play with ray tracing on in 1080p. why would i spend 550$ for a card to play in 1080p when you can get a 7800xt and play games in native 1440p. with much more vram as well.
this is the problem with nvidia fanboys ,they perceive nvidia to be better for certain features , but in reality most of the nvidia users buy low end cards that cant even take care of those said features.
Exactly 💯
if you want to play 1440p native then you can buy 4070 super and also have a choice to enable rt with good looking upscaling, you're not running out of vram without rt (problems might start in some games with rt and fg on, but if it's going barely above 12gb it's no big deal), there's not a single game that requires 16gb of vram without rt. amd gives you 20 and even 24gb of vram, but there's nothing to do with it, because games max out at 12-13 in 4k ultra.
3060 and 4060 have major advantage over amd which is dlss, fsr 3.1 is still much worse and not widely implemented and it's trash in 1080p, no one buys those gpus for rt.
btw ue5 games don't need much vram and they don't work that well on amd lol, ue5 is nvidia's conspiracy against amd.
@@wlewargusowy1592 yeah the 4070 does native 1440p well ,but it does not do 1440p with ray tracing at a good fps Dlss does not save the 4070 at 1440p with ray tracing on max settings.
Also the 7800xt is cheaper and has better raster performance @ native 1440p , it also has much more vram.
If you also step up to a 7900gre , it blows the 4070 out the water for the same price.
So if you buying nvidia you can say dlss is better yes , but if my card is poweful enough at 1440p I don't need to turn on upscaling, upscaling is for when your card is struggling.
I don't understand this mindset that certain cards can't do ray tracing? Ray tracing is more than usable even on AMD if you don't max every single RT setting. Like just turn on RT reflections and leave all the other settings off, works perfectly fine on even a 7600xt at 1080p no upscaling or 1440p with fsr quality.
The Steam survey is skewed because a lot of those GeForce numbers are from shared PCis in Asian Internet Cafes. You'll have one PC that gets shared by 200 people, each with their own Steam account that says they're using an Intel i5-12600 and a GTX 1650 or RTX 3060.
I should go to China and open my own Internet Cafe with PCs running Ryzen 5 5600 CPUs and RX 5700 XT GPUs. I would clean up financially and the Steam survey would see a sudden surge in the number of RX 5700 XT cards in use, like an increase of 10,000%.
Just started cp2077 for the first time, looking for the PT to wow me in this game and Alan Wake 2 right after, DLAA and RTX HDR are the features I really enjoy on the Nvidia card moreso
I find it funny that they clamor for the green when the only way it competes is by maybe being better a not screwing up image quality in upscaling as much as AMD. Maybe. Yet AFMF slaughters NVIDIA FG without reducing image quality. Which to me is far more useful when you want to smooth out a great image. This claim of competition isn't about not about anything in reality it is that they suffer from a serve lack of self confidence in their own decision making.
Is that true? Nvidia fg gets beat by afmf?? I have never heard that.
If that's true that's actually a great thing..df would be all over it.
AFMF doesn't screw up image?
What s@@t you smoking?
And the point of DLSS is the fact pretty much most recent releases for example run at 45 fps 4k on the 7900xtx or 4080.
You gonna run AFMF at 45fps?
No that's right your not! your gonna need an upscaler first to get you to 60fps minimum.
But when you do that your image fell apart with FSR.
Guess what the shitty green team gpu didn't have that problem...
@@Spratty-wb3is Blah Blah. Regardless of you bizarre statements I have been using it and know better.
@@c523jw7 ua-cam.com/video/zBAtAjo2QPc/v-deo.html
@robertmyers6488 I've been using it 🤣🤣🤣...
I just prefer honesty!
I mean even Frogboy "I love AMD" admitted it's 50/50 and either looks good or terrible..
AMD already has monopoly on consoles, that is why people bought nvidia, to prevent total monopoly.
No that's daft. people don't think about that when buying a GPU. lol
nintendo use nvidia and rumors are xbox is using intel next gen
Most people buying consoles don't even know what kind of GPU is inside it. I don't know where you got this theory from.
? Why on God's planet do we need a 5090? There is NO reason, NO games, for a card like that. Gaming became dull, boring, games are pushed out so quickly that you have too much choice of low quality games. Last game I enjoyed was BG3, since then, nothing is good in my eyes
do we need $1,200 or $1,300 phones? no, but they exist. same applies for the 5090. 5090 exist cause Nvidia want to sell it for $2,000++ and get rich from idiots that will buy it. like Apple does with iPhone. iPhone didn't cost $1,400. now it does. why? people happily throw money, so Apple can go up in price. people spend $2,000 for a gpu, Nvidia makes a $2,000 gpu. it's so simple. and since people spent $2,000, Nvidia will increase the price for 5090 and people will buy it. then Nvidia will increase the price of 6090.
sure the leaked price is outrageous. but so is the $2,000 of 4090, yet people still bought/buy it. and let's not forget that people bought gpus at ridiculous scalper prices. people may complain about price, but in the end they'll buy it cause they have the money to buy it(obviously i'm talking about those that can buy it.). they just want to throw a childish tantrum in hopes that the price will be lowered a bit. but when the price isn't lowered as they want, they still buy it.
Honestly at this point. if you have a 4070 TI super then you can pretty much skip the 50 series. unless the extra performance for the 5080 is worth the upgrade. the 5070 might be great in performance but the 12GB of Vram its not worth it at all. The issue with AMD is the raytracing performance is too far behind they really need to fix this problem but I just don't think its gonna be anytime soon. They should have used DDR6X to add more Vram if it where gonna be too expensive to add 16.
You don't think that ATi is working on improving RT performance even though they specifically said that RT performance increases would be the defining characteristic of RDNA4 (RX 8000)? Maybe you need to, oh, I don't know, START PAYING ATTENTION??? For F's sake, the fact that RDNA4 is going to be more about RT performance increases than gaming performance increases is one of the biggest reasons that AMD doesn't want ATi to make a halo-level Radeon for RDNA4. The gaming performance of Radeon isn't an issue because with the exception of the RTX 4090, GeForce cards are out-performed by their Radeon rivals at every price tier.
I honestly don't knopw what drives clueless noobs like you to post things like this. It doesn't make you look smarter than you are, it makes you look dumb, Whether it makes you look dumber than you are is something that I can't answer.
As for the last sentence, could you please repeat that in actual English? I don't know WTF you're talking about.
Nobody knows what the 5090 will cost. Game releases have been terrible. Hoping a powerful GPU will solve terrible release states proved me wrong. Massive waste of potential this and previous generations in computer hardware.
Your view point is comming from someone who tested amd and nvidia gpu in the last 2 generations,, sure amd is the real value gpu in the last 2 gen, but you have to see the perspective that nvidia was consistent in it's reliability in the last 15 years both the drivers and gpu it self. And people legit have really bad experience with amd gpu 10 years ago take in consideration that a average person just upgrades pc every 5 years. So when choosing a new gpu now people also consider is it worth it to pay more for nvidia just to be sure that it's stable. Specially if they got traumatize by amd 2 builds ago. This is the brand that nvidia established in the last 15 years. If amd wants to catch up they need to be consistently good for 10 years. Similar to what they done now on the cpu market.
In this case isnt the amd card the one that cant go off road due to rt lol.
4080 and xtx are close enough in raster. Nothing really in it thats why the are compared.
Did amd undervalue rt in their pricing...would them pricing even cheaper get more of the market?
I dont know, i think they have some brand perception challenges clearly cus nvidia ripped us off hard 40 series and still sold so much.
Goes off road pretty well
@frogboyx1Gaming actually does 3090 wasnt a slouch on rt.
I swear I watch this content a couple months ago 🤔 or is just frog keep repeating the same content…
Dam. I'm still happy with my 7 year old samsung VA Panel 3440x1440 Viotek.😂 Nvidia can get away with the $2500. I personally see people spending 2500 on the 4090 founders edition and without a second thought. Too rich for my blood. The best kept secret about smooth PC Gameplay is use a Discrete TPM 2.0 Module. Skip the CPU firmware crap. I have absolute zero stutters running a 4070s and native resolution ultra settings.
Well first, 60 fps is nothing. For hi refresh you need to use an upscaler. And second, you won't be able to have 60 fps forever in coming games. I'm not a tech youtuber who buys a new card every generation.
I actually don't think the leaked pricing scale is correct
It probably isn't but it's still fun to talk about
@frogboyx1Gaming even if it is, companies have had controlled leaks before to gauge audience response. If that's the case, hopefully it's cheaper
i about a week and a half into giving p my nvidia card for the 7900xtx and man every time i play my games i am so f ing happy that i have TRUE VALUE in one of the most powerful GPUs on the market right now sure it is not as fast as the 4090 but yeah go blow all ur cash on a gpu instead of using it to upgrade so many other parts i personally believe the visuals on AMD are so much more better and noticeable indeed its not just like a little i noticed the sharpness and smoothness in games compared to my nvidia card
I love AMD visuals it looks dense and the colors look amazing.
lol eBay greedy bastards already listing 4090 for over 5k
Dam I could get a lot of cool stuff for that.
I totally agree with everything you said in your video! And finally someone who has an independent opinion and dares to say it.
I personally see prices problem with AMD gpu. Unfortunately, they aggressively follow NgreedIA in pricing (for example, the XT and XTX MSRPs are quite brutal)
I know it's a different topic, but now on the CPU side they made their own shortage with the 7800X3D to justify the higher prices for the soon-to-be-released 9800X3D. This is a true NgreedIA-level bullshit.
If this becomes an established habit, they will soon use it on the GPU side as well. There marketing is starting to disgust me!
Nvidia has 88% AIB market share. AMD 12%. AMD don't have the luxury to play with the prices. the only option is to follow along. the majority will buy Nvidia anyway, so AMD prefers to charge more instead of less and make more money. if they charge less they make less money. and it's not about price. iPhone cost like $1,400 and dominates other cheaper brands. Nvidia = Apple of gpus. they will outsell the competition no matter the price.
@frogboyx1gaming
You’re still using a 5950X?
I have one as well and it is an excellent cpu but recently upgraded to a 12900KS when it was on sale for $244 and can tell you it’s a superior cpu. You won’t be getting any stuttering with Intel and the price I paid for the cpu, motherboard and ddr5 was paid for selling off the AMD stuff so something to consider. Nice thing about the 12th gen is you can still use ddr4 if you buy a motherboard that uses it.
7800x3d 7900XTX brother
I upgraded to AM5 platform 7800x3d 7900XTX
AMD can't do anything. People are just dumb. The 7900xtx was a banger. 1000$ competing with a 1200$ 4080 with more Vram and sometimes even geting close to 4090. But NOOOOOOOOO, people rather go nvidia or go home, no matter the price to performance AMD provide.
Just like overpriced iphones and macbooks got to that level thanks to braindead fanboys, nvidia can do whatever they want.
I would like to remind people that GTX 10 series is considered a very good gen but the GTX 9 series offered a way better price to DIE size ratio. People get bamboozled with a big smile as long as they have a performance uplift.
Exactly brother I am truly happy with my AMD 7900XTX 7800x3d PC
SH2 is just really badly optimized, AMD doesn't do any better it's not a GPU issue, also in USA trucks are also getting ridiculously expensive that you are not far from being able to get a Ferrari with a price of one of those :D Also AMD is not that bad with RT, it's just one generation behind 3090 and 7900 XTX are pretty close in RT performance, so if you get an AMD card it's not like you're getting something that's completely useless.
Prices and gimping on Vram on lower tier cards are the only valid criticisms here. The rest is copium. Can't wait to return to this channel in January to see how you cope with the monsters that huang releases.
I honestly could care less about the price of Nvidia, AMD GPUs are pretty good cards for gaming. If you are needing GPUs for productivity then more than likely you can afford the high cost.
So here's my opinion on why i bought both the 4080s and 4090, granted i have both the 7900xtx and 7900gre.
its as simple as encoding!
amd is losing by far in that aspect and hence why i spent so much on NVidia
buttttt and yes but if amd somehow fixes the the constant crashes and encoder errors, there might be something there.
for now amd is sticking to the midrange level because that's where their dominant.
Price to performance and look at the games you will play. I dont really care which i have.
Had a radeon 5500 xt and now a 4070.
We cant keep being reliant on frame technology like dlss and fsr and xess we need raw unfiltered performance and I better not see anybody running dlss when they have a 5090!!
I think if you're going to play 4k (and with the 5090s estimated performance possibly even 8k) there's nothing wrong with upscaling. For lower resolutions than yes don't even think about using DLSS.
@@enmanuel1950 Yea but the whole point of gaming at 4k is to actually game at 4k not to downscale the resolution at that point its not true 4k
@@firexallst4rz277 If it looks the same why would it matter? At 4k it looks practically the same and you can use it to improve your fps or reduce power consumption and noise. I understand hating on upscaling/framegen when developers use it as a crutch to avoid optimizing their games, but when it's used under the right circumstances it's nothing but an advantage to have access to those technologies.
@@enmanuel1950 I will admit I use DLSS because I have a 2080 super so me using DLSS makes sense because I have a weaker card but a 5090 why would i spend 2 grand on a card just to use frame generation to get more fps??? uhhhhhhhh
@@firexallst4rz277 Well you don't need to use framegen, you can just use upscaling and that alone is going to improve your fps a lot without introducing any input lag unlike framegen.
4k monitors go up to 240hz nowadays. I imagine even a 5090 is going to struggle to do native 4k 240hz ultra settings not to mention it's probably going to pull 600W, which turns your PC into a heater.
So there's many cases where running upscaling or even framegen will give you a better experience than simply running native:
1-If you have a high refresh rate monitor and you're struggling to achieve triple digits refresh rates on max settings.
2- if you can achieve your monitors max refresh rates on native but your card is pulling too much power and you want to reduce it without losing performance.
Also by the way if you go from 60 to 120hz by using upscaling even if you were to activate framegen after, since you already reduced your input lag by half, you could enable framegen and you'd have less input lag than native cause you already cut frametime in half with the upscaler.
Froggie, the argument always fall off when you say $1000 for a good enough experience. That's is crazy 😂 SH2 stutter on AMD too check terra videos. You also don't need to buy the 5090. You can get a 4080 and use the same argument you using buy the monitor and the gpu and even have same experience or even better with Nvidia
It's betteaaa..... It's good enough. Good enough to not be happy with the $50-$100 you saved and play games. Instead of returning every game because you would have had a better experience if you got kept the 4080.
I love DLSS. I'm sitting on a 2070Super and was able to still play all those games in 1440p ultrawide thanks to DLSS.
Alan Wake 2 looked like shit though and for Starfield I got GeforceNow.
did you see requirements for Monster Hunter Wilds? rtx 4060 is the recommended gpu for 1080/60 fps, medium settings, upscaler + frame generation both enabled. this is the future of video games, so if you want to play new games at 1440p you have to upgrade the 2070 super. with 2070 super you ain't seeing 1440p in 2025 and after. unless you keep playing the same games you play now.
@@SapiaNt0mata sure I'm just saying I will buy nvidia 5090 because of DLSS, so it lasts me another 5 years
The price difference isn't always as big as you are making out. The 4070 Super vs GRE and 4080 Super vs XTX for a long time has had around a 5-10 percent price difference. So you are paying like 2-4 percent more total system cost for better upscaling, RT, latency reduction, and general stability.
Since picking the xtx over the 4080S you've been disappointed with how it plays in every game you've played since. And you make a video a day trying to convince yourself that saving $50-$100 was worth it.
You've come down to making up reasons for liking AMD better. Like claiming the digital Foundry video was saying Nvidia had stuttering issues in SH2, when it's an engine issue and AMD has it worse in that game. And this color difference thing, never seen anyone else mention it. I use a Rx 6800 and 4070 Super and have never seen a color difference outside of when using RTX HDR, but that's a completely different discussion.
Being 5-10 percent cheaper (after prices are forced to drop do to not selling) with a worse feature set than the RTX 20 series is not going to take market share. Ryzen didn't take market share from Intel by trying to match in one dated metric and falling behind in everything else. Especially when the everything else seems to be what modern games are focused on. Why would a dev worry about how the TAA looks when 60 percent of the market have DLSS, which looks better than TAA at 1440p and up anyway. And 95 percent of users who have a card from the past 3 generations DLSS. People with older cards likely know they can't get the best experience in new releases.
You are under rating DLSS at 1440p. It actually beats 1440p native more often than 4k DLSS beats 4k native. Because the issues with TAA are even more noticeable at 1440p. If you are willing to take 5 seconds to upgrade the DLSS version, it nearly always looks better than TAA at 1440p. And what people call native now is actually TAA. As modern games require a form of temporal reconstruction for post processing, lighting and shadows to work correctly.
I didn't dismiss AMD. I got a Rx 6800 and it made me appreciate how far DLSS had come at 1440p. It was to the point that I thought my monitor was going bad. But luckily I tested with another GPU and found that it was just TAA shimmering and blurring everything.
tbh..in many cases aint even worth spending so much money on PC anymore...newer games are trash. both until dawn and SH remake is trash.
I understand your point and agree with most of them but your point on the AMD GPUs competing with the 30 series low to mid end. GPUs isn’t much of an argument when those GPUs themselves barely beat a 1080 TI from 2017 so Nvidia low to mid offering was a joke so to say that AMD was doing this great beating them is laughable. 3080 3090 AMD had nothing except for the 6900. That’s it everything else other than having higher VRAM they couldn’t compete end of story but you’re right people that buy Ferraris are they gonna use 80% of what the Ferrari has to offer? No, they’re not is it nice to have sure but same thing with a 4 x 4 truck? Are you gonna go off Roading every day with it now Nice to look at you better off with a Honda Civic something that’s gonna do the purpose it’s attended for do it well and do it for a good price and regardless of its AMD or Nvidia whoever that is what somebody should go with.
But regardless, who cares AMD and video doesn’t matter at the end of the day use what works for you buy what you can afford and if all the gimmicks of a video you think great you’re getting ripped off either way so nothing I said was meant to be derogatory towards anybody by the way, just stating facts AMD’s always been two generations behind Nvidia. Do people really need the two generations higher Nvidia depends on what they’re doing with it. Let’s just leave it at that.
I cant wait for 5090
Amd had the chance to eat Nvidia’s lunch on launch but they chose to make the XTX and XT way pricy. Could have got market share there from Nvidia. Tbh Nvidia have only 1 foot in the GPU market. They’re all about the Ai now. I see 2200 -2500$ price for the official cards. & anything up to 3000$ for aftermarket partner cards.
Tbh, I’m starting to wonder why I need a 5090. I mean what will I need that for in the next 3 years the 4090 won’t handle 🤔 the ps6 / next box will be the next real graphics upgrade. Real path tracing etc. I’m considering skipping the generation & getting another whole new system for the 6090 generation. I get the feeling cards are about to change a lot within the next gen & the one afterwards… 🤔
AMD MIGHT step up with UDNA, but before that, no, sorry, sadly.. but if the rumors are true the top end RDNA4 will be on par with a 4080 in RT and have 7900XT or higher raster which is actually plenty, so im looking forward to seeing if thats true or yet another disappointing AMD launch..
It's not ALL about Vram. it's about bandwidth and 16 Gb is gonna be plenty enough for the forseeable futre I read when i looked into it before buying my 4080 super. Because Developers are not gonna develop a game only the 1% or so that own a 4090 or 5090 can play. they will always design the game to run on the majority of GPu's which is 4070 4080 5070 5080 etc. Else they won't make any money. I know it's probably more than 1% but still.
You got a 4080 super 👀👀. I thought I would never see you say such a thing lmao. How do you find it?
16g is more than enough. This argument drove me nuts with vram.
320 bus width 24 g vram. No games used this and the day this does happen the xtx won't be strong enough. 3090. It's got 24g vram and a high end 1440p card now since the base card isn't strong enough.
I got alot of heat for saying this but its a fine line between not enough and vram overkill.
I dont nvidia as a company but yeah it is what it is.
@@c523jw7 Yeah I gave in. The prices kinda swayed me. Still love AMD but giving Nvidia a try. I havnt really put it through it's paces yet tbh. It was fine when i played VR but I will test some RT or path tracing at some point. I only installed it yesterday
So today is the first day I get time to try it properly. I was tired after installing it. wasn't that easy with the power cables etc. Well it was easy, just a pain in the arse. Co's the extra power leads 3 ffs. that go into the adaptor.
I mean My PSU was good enough just meant a lot of dodgy tinkering And nearly pulled a cable when i pulled my PSU out and bent some pins. Coulda ended bad. But lucky it wasn't that bad.
@@c523jw7 Yeah its true budd
@@c523jw7 was gonna wait for a 4080 But then saw the price leaks and I am not paying more than £1000 for a GPU. No way in hell.
Its true Froggy. AMD not having an ai upscaler earlier and better rt is hurting pc gamers..both amd and nvidia.
I know you dont care as much about rt and dlss but people clearly do.
Nvidia are scum but they are behaving like any company in their situation.
I think the influence to like DLSS and RT from content creators have driven this craziness most gamers don't even care
@frogboyx1Gaming if you take rt off our cards would run great for years.
I'm trying to get used to that idea. I might not be able to afford 6000 series the way this is going. I'm expecting 5080 to be 2.5k here in Australia. Could he 3k for a 6080.
That's just nuts.
For a guy who games 1 hr a day..may not be worth it for me anymore.
Silent Hill 2 stutters on AMD as well. Plus the 7900 XTX and AMD cards struggle compared to nVidia cards in Silent Hill 2 overall.
I find it gross that he tried to imply that digital Foundry said Nvidia had a stuttering issue with SH2. Not what they said at all. They said SH2 has a stuttering problem. The amount of cope and self convincing needed to make that leap is mind boggling.
@Sp3cialk304 yeah some of these videos sound like him convincing himself of his purchase. Trying to make it seem like the stuttering only happens on nvidia cards was misleading to say the least. 7900XTX is a great card but it is not perfect. Due to recent games with raytracing on by default it gets beaten by 4070 Ti Super and others at times. With UE5 and games using stuff like lumen the raytracing weakness of the AMD cards does exist.
Fake for clicks. Its not going to cost anywhere near that. Use your head. Its to keep the news cycle going on these tech chamnels. Sometjing to post. Yawn.
Silent hill sucks anyways. Give ot some time and the devs will optimize it.
😂😂😂😂 Every new game sucks when game ready drivers launches when Silent hill 9 is out
AMD CPU's are solid... their GPU's on the other hand are meh.
Nah they are good GPU's I just wanted to see what all the fuss was about so got a 4080 super instead of an 8800xt. But I may still get one if they are cheap and good enough. I love AMD always have.
@@Steelninja77 Been using ATI all the way till they went AMD, last card was a HD7950, lasted me till i got a 1060... never went back.. love their CPU's though..
From the Nvidia side of these the biggest rip off in the med range section was the 4060TI 8GB for 399 dollars .
In my opinion 8GB VRAM shouldnt exist anymore because it has not future in gaming even at 1080p .
AMD 7900XTX is slightly below the 4080s and 4080 , but the 24GB VRAM gives the 7900XTX an advantage in the future .
Remember back in 2019 AMD released Radeon VII with 16GB with 1TB/S bandwidth memory .
Nvidia fanboys said the cards 16GB is useless and they wenr for those 2070 and 2080 . Now those cards have aged like crazy with these modern games because of 8GB VRAM isnt enough today for even 1440p high settings . SMH!!
WTF are you talking about? The RX 7900 XTX is slightly FASTER than the RTX 4080 Super! Are you on crack or something? Nowhere in tech literature ANYWHERE does it say tha the RTX 4080 is faster than the RX 7900 XTX (except maybe LoserBenchmark).
No power in the GPU diye only 24GB VRAM and ghosting FSR with stutter on a silent hill. Atleast good amount to store the video memory of stutter and crashing drivers
Silent hill 2 starts out slow and is pretty cool 40 minutes in isn't even the first boss fight. Have the full playthrough on my channel if anyones interested.
AMD already announced the 8000 series will not have a high end card. There only putting out the mid range card. Which is not going to get them anymore people using there products.
You're 100% wrong there. Producing a halo-level product is EXPENSIVE and the people willing to shell out over $1000 for a video card are all nVidia fanboys.
The last couple of times that AMD gained market share were the Polaris (RX 580) and RDNA1 (RX 5700 XT) eras. You know why? It's because AMD recognised that their core consumer base were average gamers (easily the most numerous type) who bought mid-low to mid-high cards. If ATi were to produce a Radeon that was as potent as an RX 7900 XT but priced it at $500, it would be the most successful single card of its generation.
People now trust Radeon drivers, understanding that not running DDU was causing the problems, not the drivers themselves. That was the only remaining roadblock and it's now gone.
If ATi produces the RX 8800 XT as a neo-RX 7900 XT with 20GB of VRAM and similar performance priced at $500USD, I guarantee you that they won't be able to make them fast enough because they'll be selling out everywhere.
Why do you think so? Most gamers are not running high-end hardware, simply because not everyone is rich. If they can release better value mid range cards, people will make the switch.
@@Wuvixx no they won't. it's not price to performance that people buy Nvidia. it's the brand. Nvidia is the Apple of gpus.
@@AvroBellow really. 6800xt or 7800xt. better then most of the nvidia cards RT is a joke. and yet no one is using the amd cards. im 100% correct.
Switched from a 4080 super to an XTX and honestly it’s smoother and don’t miss any dolls/ray tracing . ALSO - AMD adrenaline is a much better program than Geoforce experience.
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No one is buying that high priced crap entry to mid range gpus is where most gamers are at which is what steam charts says.
Amd needs to focus on the mid range gpu market where intel arc is about to kick the crap out of them.
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Until amd gets RTX HDR like feature 😊
Alll amd has to do is pull their heads out of their ass and lower the price ...its that simple. I live in Canada and GPU prices are almost double compared to the U.S. Example: Sapphire Nitro 7900xtx is $1677 dollars with tax and shipping. That's just ridiculous ! Its only affordable in the United States only.
Why do you care about the Sapphire Nitro's $1677 price when you could go to your local Canada Computers RIGHT NOW and pick up a Gigabyte RX 7900 XTX Gaming OC for $1356 including HST? It's YOU that wants to spend that extra $300 for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.
Someone has to pull their head out of their ass alright but it's not ATi, it's entitled little whiners like you with their "Oh I've gotta have a Sapphire Nitro!" or "Oh I gotta have an ASUS ROG Strix!". I used to have a coworker who was a total GeForce and ASUS ROG Strix fanboy. He could see however that I'm a tech wizard and I convinced him to get a Radeon card (GeForce cards were way too expensive for him at the time) and so he bought a Gigabyte RX 6600 XT Gaming OC. He ended up falling in love with Radeon and realising that the restrictions that he had put on himself regarding GPU brand and AIB models was a prison of his own making.
Two months later, I teased him about how terrible Radeon is and he said "Yeah, yeah, you were right, Radeons are amazing!" to which I replied "Guess what else I was right about... the fact that you didn't NEED to buy an ASUS ROG Strix card either!". He laughed when I said that and agreed that I was right about that too. He actually thanked me for showing him that spending huge amounts of money for a SPECIFIC Radeon model was not only unnecessary, it was a stupid thing to do. Now he's happily rocking a Powercolor Radeon RX 7800 XT Hellhound and he loves it.
This delusion is caused by YOUR head being up YOUR ass because only someone who is extremely ignorant would make a post like yours. Instead of whining like a little bitch, how about you man-up and find a better way, like getting the Gigabyte model of the RX 7900 XTX? It's not like the Sapphire model is going to perform much better for that extra $300 that you stupidly think that you MUST spend.
I swear, I don't know how you kids get these insane thoughts in your heads but you should be embarrassed that you would post something so stupid. I can tell that you're just a whiny kid becauise no REAL MAN would post that because he'd have to live in shame if anyone actually read it.
I've owned so many different models of card over the years that it would make your head spin. Here's a list of brands and models of cards that I've owned:
ATi: OG Reference
Albatron: Gigi
ASRock: Challenger, Phantom Gaming OC
Gigabyte: Windforce OC
HIS: IceQ
Palit: Super+
PNY: Verto
Powercolor: Fighter, ITX
Sapphire: Pulse, Nitro OC+
Soyo: Baby Dragon, Monarch Dragon
XFX: ONE, Triple Dissipation, THICC-III
Zotac: AMP
Guess what kid, they're all the GODDAMN SAME! The only thing that really matters is the GPU model because a Sapphire Nitro won't perform noticeably better than an XFX Merc, ASUS Strix, ASRock PG or Powercolor HH.
I have an RX 7900 XTX myself, an ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC. Do you know why I chose that one? It's because, back in August of 2023, Newegg had some stupidly low open-box price on it. It was $1148CAD, cheaper than ANY model of RX 7900 XT, let alone other models of XTX. I bought it because it was the cheapest model available, knowing that "RX 7900 XTX" is what makes it special, regardless of what AIB brand or model is on the box.
Part of growing up means learning to focus on what actually matters and ignore the small stuff like what brand and model of video card you have. Just go to your local Canada Computers and buy the Gigabyte model to save yourself $321. if you live in the boonies and have no access to a Canada Computers, then get an MSi Gaming Trio Classic for $1460 (incl. HST and shipping) from Amazon. This will open your eyes to the fact that what makes an RX 7900 XTX great is the fact that it's an RX 7900 XTX, not what model of RX 7900 XTX it is.
Release yourself from your self-imposed prison of ignorance and just get whatever gives you the best price. Every company that makes video cards has either been doing it forever or, like ASRock or Acer, is relatively new to video cards but has been making motherboards (which are far more complex than video cards) since forever. There's no reason to worry about the price of a Sapphire Nitro card if you're willing to just buy a different one.
And remember, my fellow Canadian... WE INVENTED RADEON!
At those prices, it would almost be worth taking a trip to the USA for the weekend to go to a microcenter, build a PC, and bring it back. Just watch out for taxes. at boarder