the old fireball whisky, I have a camping tradition when anyone comes camping with me, once we sit down for our fire, we all take a shot of it. So I always have a bottle in my camp kit.
@@Australian4x4Adventures I reckon we tee up something in the new year once summer pisses off. Been chatting to Simon from lock your hubs to arrange a get together. I can feel a colab coming on :) or we can just sit around and drink fireball.
I think a lot of it comes down to the individual vehicle and how the person uses it. My biggest pet hates for wagons vs ute setups are the access points. On a wagon you can put in gull-wing style doors in the sides but this is an added cost and are still not as good as a ute side that lifts up. The ute sides that lift up can be used as an awning especially for a quick stop. My personal preference would be a ute with a canopy that is removable but the cost is pretty extreme compared to a wagon. I do think one downside with most ute canopies is going from side to side for access where as a wagon is out of the back which is usually more central but there are pros and cons both ways. A really good video with some good questions for people to ask themselves before buying a vehicle for camping/touring.
Thanks for the feedback buddy. I personally prefer a wagon but I know heaps of others that prefer utes so you are absolutely right in saying it comes down to how you want to use it.
Couldn't agree more with this, i would love a ute with canopy but what i want would cost a fortune, got a Wagon and it works fantastic, as long as you put a fold down table on the rear door (If it isn't a lift up or split one) then you are mostly set. I went vertical fridge in the back on top the drawers meaning no heavy slides or moving stuff, works well and can access stuff without digging deep. Wagons are also instantly water and dust proof, many cheap canopies are meh.
Good episode Steve, like you said I things it’s a very personal thing/situation ie have family, or just you and the misses or just a single fella. I went down the ute option with 1100mm canopy and 600mm tray. I find it works perfect for me firewood, chainsaw, extra gear, deer meat in the tray and everything else in the canopy safe and secured. Cheers Marty !
Wagon all day - the Wagon IS the canopy. Just that you have the added luxury of convenience. Some of the wagon set ups that are coming out now are shitting all over canopy set ups and will continue to do so.
Great video Steve, I have just gone back to a wagon from a dual cab with tub/canopy setup and totally had to rethink how have our setup for touring / camping trips, did most the work myself so can be done cheaply if you have the skills (P.S did have a few design changes along the way🤦♂️) . But as you said it's horses for courses and individual choice and what you want to do 👍
Great honest comparison guys - after 10 Subarus (popup rear tailgate 👍🏻) I’ve finally moved onto to a Hilux 4WD as a retirement gift to myself - because I wanted a vehicle that’s a daily drive (once a week), something for carting around domestic and gardening/rubbish materials plus an off-road tourer a ute with aluminium tray/liftoff canopy was a no-brainer - now that all my Covid-delayed items (6 mths) have arrived I’m planning my summer fit-out project - Redarc, Renogy, Engel, 23Zero and Amptron Lithium - doing my own electrical installation - total cost including ‘Gumtree’ tray and new canopy/fit-out $7k - John in SA
Love the homemade setup and great comparison video mate. Just a thought for the drawer setup, have you considered switching your tool and pantry drawers around? If your tools are on the bottom drawer, not only are you keeping heavy bulky items down low, you're less likely to have to open the bottom drawer during cooking/prep. This should allow you to make more use of the tailgate as bench space. Just a suggestion
Hey buddy. I did toy with have the tools down low and cooking up top but the wife’s pretty short and can’t reach into the top drawer. Having said that she doesn’t come camping that often so it prolly wouldn’t matter all that much now that I think about it. I might trial it for a while and see how it all goes
Very informative video! Gvm plays a big part when it comes to a touring vehicle, wagons have about 600kgs to play with whereas a Ute has 900kgs, something to consider when purchasing a vehicle for touring
Great show but in the end it really depends what overall usage you want to make of the truck. I’m a professional so I don’t have a double usage for my truck only to pack it up and go out camping for a few days or more. I love both wagons and utes but in the end prefer the versatility of the wagon. Saying that I’ve seen some beautifully decked out dual cabs for touring which I wouldn’t have said no to. Maybe it’s like Ford v Holden , land cruiser v patrol and now wagon v dual cab. I suppose the answer is get one of each(once he COVID tax is removed)! Enjoy your off road driving!
Got one in the Prado, would never go back to chest. But i will let you know the drawbacks i have, blocks half the rear view through back window and lets out more cold air every open. But overall still better imo.
I have a Rodeo Dual cab with tub/canopy. Roof storage wins over the wagon. 75kg over the cab and 150kg over the canopy. Roof box up front that is dust and water proof for clothes. Solar panel and swags over the canopy with the 270 awning. Love touring
Currently I run my 200w panel on my canopy roof rack on the Nav while waiting for my roof rack to be built. Canopy rack is built to hold a couple hundred kilos for building material and that
Great video; elephant in the room though is overall weight including axle limits. Dual cabs are notorious for hitting their GVM once you put a tray & canopy on the back and with so much load rear of the rear axle there’s a risk of bending..?
Always good to see different set ups. Just wondering where you keep your recovery gear and tools? Owning a 200 myself l know we don't use it much but we can't just leave those Nissan drivers out there it just makes a mess.
All of my tools go in the top drawer. I store a strap in the tailgate section of the lower gate and then if I’ve got anything else it gets jammed down beside the drawers in that big cavity.
Just wondering why the gas bottle was inside the vehicle instead of outside it, in the last vehicle shown? Having seen the end result of vehicles destroyed by leaking bottles and also the risk of a loose bottle in an accident. Loving the channel so far, some great ideas, tips and tricks.
great topic Steve, I have run setup 1 and 3 over the years, obviously 3 before 1 as kids pretty much destroy that...lol... there are so many options now for everyone, hard to cut through the crap. this will give some good advice to the young players. I think you next upgrade need to be some wings on the side to get to those small spaces. all for the nip of rum to help the little buggers sleep....lol... not really, just joking, that was my parents...lol.
I like both as well had utes and wagons, have an 80 now, love the Drifta setup and emu wings on the side for mine, my issue is with allot of highlights on GVM lately seeing this Ute can’t help but think he’s got allot more weight extra weight carrying around, that’d the down side I see of a Ute system is the temptation to take too much stuff and overload the vehicle, esp of its a dual setup like a daily etc, mine isn’t so I only take what I need not what I want, I enjoy trips more if I have less, but enough to cover if things go wrong. But more and more setups I see, really think allot of people are over weight limits and IMO it’s an increasing issue. But good comparison sic setups all the same. 🤘
Car weighs in fully loaded at 2.8 if I’m really packing it up. But most of the time I only pack stuff into the drawers and whatever doesn’t fit rarely gets put in other then chairs, swag and camera gear. And if going away on a trip most of the time half the canopy is empty with all my tools taken out. I come in on par or lighter then your average tub and canopy set up but with much more usable space 🤙🏽
No one touched on sleeping arrangements, though option three showed the RTT. Do you guys use swags, where do you put them, or RTTs? Otherwise it helped get a few of my thoughts in a line. thanks
Love it "It generally keeps up until i start to run the air fryer" ahaha damn thats keen 😂👌🏼 Also an option to "level up" your rear space is with some emu wing door on the rear
I enjoyed this comparison. Still can't decide which I prefer though. Truth is, there is no perfect set up. Each to their own really. I for example have to also consider a dog coming on many of my trips.
Love the channel! Being a Victorian how did you get to go camping with mates? And without a mask? my mates and i are absolutely stinging to get the f outa Melbourne and have a few camping 4wding weeks and weekends! How did you get out? What's the secret?
Hahaha. I know the feeling buddy. This was filmed a few months back during that super short period we were allowed to go camping. We prolly should of been warring mask 😷 I’ll concede that one. Hopefully not to much longer and we can all head out together again.
@@Australian4x4Adventures thanks bud thought it might have been a while back. My crew are busting to hit the vhc and all the areas we love to camp and 4wd in. Being locked up is now too much! Love the channel mate 👍
@@Australian4x4Adventures thx for info I reckon I see your Cruiser local to me (outer east Melbourne) so assume you filmed this vlog between lockdowns ( don’t answer if it incriminates you…lol)
Bet I can chuck gear in and get gear out of my Hilux Ute tub in a tiny fraction of the time it takes to pack such a constricted pokey space in the back of a wagon. For me that's really it - ease of use.
A proper camping trailer is simply the best set up. End of story. No excess weight on daily driving and no issues with overloading gvm. Also don’t need to pack and unpack every time you want to go out. Also you can disconnect at base camp and shoot into town or do some off-roading without having to pack up camp.
Canopies weigh approximately 250kg which immediately comes of your payload, and is why they hit GVM too easily. Most of the weight is on or behind the rear axle, which is not ideal Your towing is limited as the overhung load on the tow ball is much greater than a wagon Wagons come with comfortable coil springs (in most cases) which can be stiffened up with air bags I tow a boat to remote fishing destinations, so most gear is on a full length roof rack or in the boat, freeing up the space in the wagon Each to their own
Canopy is 175kg with all draw system included Ans tray is 30kg lighter then the tub. Fully loaded with all my tools and a weeks worth of stuff for camping I come in at 2.8 as I’ve tried to keep storage space to a minimum to reduce over packing. Certainly heavier stuff out there full of stuff not needed or wasting valuable space 🤙🏽
Quite honestly, who gives a shit. I have nothing against your video or comparison, but hasn't all of this 4x4 setup crap gone too far? Just like you said at the end of the vid, you don't need any of that to get out in the bush and have a good time. You actually don't even need the 4be! And to spend $25k+ on a setup, on top of the car, when you're so young?! Money well spent? 🤔
the old fireball whisky, I have a camping tradition when anyone comes camping with me, once we sit down for our fire, we all take a shot of it. So I always have a bottle in my camp kit.
Ohhhhhh. That sounds like a good camp. When are we going haha 😂
@@Australian4x4Adventures I reckon we tee up something in the new year once summer pisses off. Been chatting to Simon from lock your hubs to arrange a get together. I can feel a colab coming on :) or we can just sit around and drink fireball.
I think a lot of it comes down to the individual vehicle and how the person uses it. My biggest pet hates for wagons vs ute setups are the access points. On a wagon you can put in gull-wing style doors in the sides but this is an added cost and are still not as good as a ute side that lifts up. The ute sides that lift up can be used as an awning especially for a quick stop. My personal preference would be a ute with a canopy that is removable but the cost is pretty extreme compared to a wagon. I do think one downside with most ute canopies is going from side to side for access where as a wagon is out of the back which is usually more central but there are pros and cons both ways. A really good video with some good questions for people to ask themselves before buying a vehicle for camping/touring.
Thanks for the feedback buddy.
I personally prefer a wagon but I know heaps of others that prefer utes so you are absolutely right in saying it comes down to how you want to use it.
Couldn't agree more with this, i would love a ute with canopy but what i want would cost a fortune, got a Wagon and it works fantastic, as long as you put a fold down table on the rear door (If it isn't a lift up or split one) then you are mostly set. I went vertical fridge in the back on top the drawers meaning no heavy slides or moving stuff, works well and can access stuff without digging deep.
Wagons are also instantly water and dust proof, many cheap canopies are meh.
You've never seen a canopy with a rear door ? Way better having a canopy then a wagon and I've had both .
First time in this channel. What a nice vibe mate. Loved the video. That's why I love Australia, people here are so nice
Welcome aboard! Hope you enjoy the channel
YesSiRr!! Nice one fellaz!! All Awesome setups. Thankz for sharing!!
Thanks mate. This one was fun to film
people who use induction cooktops while camping need to have the snip #firetoforkgang
Lmao
And we’ll be waiting for you…….. love this channel and how good is George!
Legend. Thanks buddy. I’m glad someone likes it 😂
Good episode Steve, like you said I things it’s a very personal thing/situation ie have family, or just you and the misses or just a single fella.
I went down the ute option with 1100mm canopy and 600mm tray. I find it works perfect for me firewood, chainsaw, extra gear, deer meat in the tray and everything else in the canopy safe and secured.
Cheers Marty !
For overall storage a canopy setup is 100% a better option and for long term touring or just soft roading like those QLD bunch 😝. It’s an ideal setup.
Wagon all day - the Wagon IS the canopy. Just that you have the added luxury of convenience. Some of the wagon set ups that are coming out now are shitting all over canopy set ups and will continue to do so.
Great video Steve, I have just gone back to a wagon from a dual cab with tub/canopy setup and totally had to rethink how have our setup for touring / camping trips, did most the work myself so can be done cheaply if you have the skills (P.S did have a few design changes along the way🤦♂️) . But as you said it's horses for courses and individual choice and what you want to do 👍
Yeah mate I know the pain. I came from a GU track back Ute with space for days to a wagon so I had to refine my setup too
Great honest comparison guys - after 10 Subarus (popup rear tailgate 👍🏻) I’ve finally moved onto to a Hilux 4WD as a retirement gift to myself - because I wanted a vehicle that’s a daily drive (once a week), something for carting around domestic and gardening/rubbish materials plus an off-road tourer a ute with aluminium tray/liftoff canopy was a no-brainer - now that all my Covid-delayed items (6 mths) have arrived I’m planning my summer fit-out project - Redarc, Renogy, Engel, 23Zero and Amptron Lithium - doing my own electrical installation - total cost including ‘Gumtree’ tray and new canopy/fit-out $7k - John in SA
F yeah burn it to the ground
Great video Steve, the balancing act you guys mention - daily driver and weekend warrior truck is great!!!!!!!
Love the homemade setup and great comparison video mate. Just a thought for the drawer setup, have you considered switching your tool and pantry drawers around? If your tools are on the bottom drawer, not only are you keeping heavy bulky items down low, you're less likely to have to open the bottom drawer during cooking/prep. This should allow you to make more use of the tailgate as bench space. Just a suggestion
Hey buddy.
I did toy with have the tools down low and cooking up top but the wife’s pretty short and can’t reach into the top drawer.
Having said that she doesn’t come camping that often so it prolly wouldn’t matter all that much now that I think about it.
I might trial it for a while and see how it all goes
@@Australian4x4Adventures
Could always trade in and get a taller wife. 😂
Soz, joking just been cheeky 🙏 🤙
Very informative video! Gvm plays a big part when it comes to a touring vehicle, wagons have about 600kgs to play with whereas a Ute has 900kgs, something to consider when purchasing a vehicle for touring
I’ve found it’s fairly car specific as well which is what we said in the vid. 👍👍👍
Most people are carrying wayyyyyyyyy too much these days.
Great show but in the end it really depends what overall usage you want to make of the truck. I’m a professional so I don’t have a double usage for my truck only to pack it up and go out camping for a few days or more. I love both wagons and utes but in the end prefer the versatility of the wagon. Saying that I’ve seen some beautifully decked out dual cabs for touring which I wouldn’t have said no to. Maybe it’s like Ford v Holden , land cruiser v patrol and now wagon v dual cab. I suppose the answer is get one of each(once he COVID tax is removed)! Enjoy your off road driving!
Beatsme Both brilliant set ups, but if you have the van or trailer hitched up then its no contest the ute is much more flexible. Great video guys.
I'm a 200 set up guy. Thanks for the vid Steve. As always, horses for courses. 🤙
Absolute ripper video should do a video older 4x4s like even mid 2000s to 1990s to late 2000s
Now there’s and idea.
Upright fridge + Lithium = Perfect pair
I’ve never had an upright myself so I can’t be 100% sure of that one 😂
Got one in the Prado, would never go back to chest. But i will let you know the drawbacks i have, blocks half the rear view through back window and lets out more cold air every open.
But overall still better imo.
I have a Rodeo Dual cab with tub/canopy. Roof storage wins over the wagon. 75kg over the cab and 150kg over the canopy. Roof box up front that is dust and water proof for clothes. Solar panel and swags over the canopy with the 270 awning. Love touring
For overall storage a Ute wins hands down for sure.
Would love to see what you both run on your roof racks too… esp that 300w solar panel!
I’ve got a whole install vid of my solar panel on my channel if ya wanted to check it out 👍👍👍
Currently I run my 200w panel on my canopy roof rack on the Nav while waiting for my roof rack to be built. Canopy rack is built to hold a couple hundred kilos for building material and that
@@tomlincoln4009 Does it keep your auxiliary battery charged up, or do you also have some kind of under bonnet setup?
@@officialWWM I run the same charger as Steve. A enerdrive dcdc 40 +. My battery rarely gets below 90%
@@tomlincoln4009 thanks, I’ll look into that setup. I’m trying to get ready for summer.
Thank u I Have a landcruiser wagon to The only I Hate are the wheel arches Take so Much room ` One More plus for the ute
Yeah those bloody wheel arches take up heaps of room.
Great video; elephant in the room though is overall weight including axle limits. Dual cabs are notorious for hitting their GVM once you put a tray & canopy on the back and with so much load rear of the rear axle there’s a risk of bending..?
That’s why we didn’t touch on it too much. Mainly because every car is different as well and we didn’t want to give out wrong information
Always good to see different set ups. Just wondering where you keep your recovery gear and tools? Owning a 200 myself l know we don't use it much but we can't just leave those Nissan drivers out there it just makes a mess.
All of my tools go in the top drawer.
I store a strap in the tailgate section of the lower gate and then if I’ve got anything else it gets jammed down beside the drawers in that big cavity.
Great vid Steve, very comprehensive and fun. Lots of ideas and alternatives for all. Cheers mate.
Thanks mate. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great vid and set up mate.
Just wondering why the gas bottle was inside the vehicle instead of outside it, in the last vehicle shown? Having seen the end result of vehicles destroyed by leaking bottles and also the risk of a loose bottle in an accident. Loving the channel so far, some great ideas, tips and tricks.
Calm down Pete, you goose
great topic Steve, I have run setup 1 and 3 over the years, obviously 3 before 1 as kids pretty much destroy that...lol... there are so many options now for everyone, hard to cut through the crap. this will give some good advice to the young players. I think you next upgrade need to be some wings on the side to get to those small spaces. all for the nip of rum to help the little buggers sleep....lol... not really, just joking, that was my parents...lol.
🤣. You’re not the first to tell me that 😂.
I’m just not a fan of the finished look of the gull wing windows. They just look messy
I like both as well had utes and wagons, have an 80 now, love the Drifta setup and emu wings on the side for mine, my issue is with allot of highlights on GVM lately seeing this Ute can’t help but think he’s got allot more weight extra weight carrying around, that’d the down side I see of a Ute system is the temptation to take too much stuff and overload the vehicle, esp of its a dual setup like a daily etc, mine isn’t so I only take what I need not what I want, I enjoy trips more if I have less, but enough to cover if things go wrong. But more and more setups I see, really think allot of people are over weight limits and IMO it’s an increasing issue. But good comparison sic setups all the same. 🤘
Car weighs in fully loaded at 2.8 if I’m really packing it up. But most of the time I only pack stuff into the drawers and whatever doesn’t fit rarely gets put in other then chairs, swag and camera gear. And if going away on a trip most of the time half the canopy is empty with all my tools taken out. I come in on par or lighter then your average tub and canopy set up but with much more usable space 🤙🏽
1st one great video man
😝. Hope ya like it.
No one touched on sleeping arrangements, though option three showed the RTT.
Do you guys use swags, where do you put them, or RTTs?
Otherwise it helped get a few of my thoughts in a line. thanks
Generally we use swags. Toms fits inside he’s canopy but I generally chuck mine on the roof in a waterproof bag.
Love it
"It generally keeps up until i start to run the air fryer" ahaha damn thats keen 😂👌🏼
Also an option to "level up" your rear space is with some emu wing door on the rear
If you don’t take an air fryer camping are you even camping 🤣.
@@Australian4x4Adventures 😂😂
I need this new way of camping 🙌🏼
Great video.
Thanks mate.
Hey mate how did you stick the strip light onto roof lining at the back? Thanks 🙏🏽
The lights had a sticky backing which I just stuck to the roof lining. Double sided tape would do the same trick.
Good info.
Where did you get the chainsaw bag from? Looks more practical than the hard case ones. 😁
That ones from crashpad but I’d recommend the Kelmatt version of the bag as it’s better made and actually Australian made unlike crashpad gear
@@Australian4x4Adventures yeah I have a Kelmatt version, its Mickey mouse !
I enjoyed this comparison. Still can't decide which I prefer though. Truth is, there is no perfect set up. Each to their own really. I for example have to also consider a dog coming on many of my trips.
Absolutely it’s a personal choice.
Box of CCI ammo that I see? Good lad.
🤣. Shhhhh. Don’t wanna get in trouble with the fuzz 😝.
Mate what is Tommy's double drawer with bench thing called? it's exactly what ive been looking for i need to know what it is :O
It's crazy that some people spend on a canopy what I would spend on a ute with set up
It’s crazy how cheap your mum is
come up again soon ill show you how tough us QLD's are lol
Hahaha. So me ya biggest sand hill 😝
Love the channel! Being a Victorian how did you get to go camping with mates? And without a mask? my mates and i are absolutely stinging to get the f outa Melbourne and have a few camping 4wding weeks and weekends! How did you get out? What's the secret?
Hahaha. I know the feeling buddy.
This was filmed a few months back during that super short period we were allowed to go camping.
We prolly should of been warring mask 😷 I’ll concede that one.
Hopefully not to much longer and we can all head out together again.
@@Australian4x4Adventures thanks bud thought it might have been a while back. My crew are busting to hit the vhc and all the areas we love to camp and 4wd in. Being locked up is now too much! Love the channel mate 👍
where can i find a roofrack like what the gu has? I want to put rootop tent ontop of my gu
What brand is the cutlery roll?
Cheers
MSA buddy. It’s been good over the years
@@Australian4x4Adventures thx for info
I reckon I see your Cruiser local to me (outer east Melbourne) so assume you filmed this vlog between lockdowns ( don’t answer if it incriminates you…lol)
Hahaha. Yeah I’m around the lilydale area.
Yeah it was in the 2 weeks period of freedom we had just before this current lockdown.
Great info mate.🇦🇺👍❤🍻
You’re more then welcome
What brand solar panel
Solar force
Bet I can chuck gear in and get gear out of my Hilux Ute tub in a tiny fraction of the time it takes to pack such a constricted pokey space in the back of a wagon.
For me that's really it - ease of use.
Both have there pros and cons ( which is why we made the video ).
Everyone has their own needs and requirements for their own camping setup.
Interesting channel, just came across it, might have to Sub, even if i am a North QLDer 😉
Chop the 62 with a tray me thinks down the line
Best of both worlds. You need the space anyway
I think that the big difference is cost. The wagon is way cheaper to setup than a canopy on a ute
A proper camping trailer is simply the best set up. End of story. No excess weight on daily driving and no issues with overloading gvm. Also don’t need to pack and unpack every time you want to go out. Also you can disconnect at base camp and shoot into town or do some off-roading without having to pack up camp.
So where do you sleep and shower?
In a swag and in a river
Your mums place usually
Where are you heading at Christmas?\
Canopies weigh approximately 250kg which immediately comes of your payload, and is why they hit GVM too easily.
Most of the weight is on or behind the rear axle, which is not ideal
Your towing is limited as the overhung load on the tow ball is much greater than a wagon
Wagons come with comfortable coil springs (in most cases) which can be stiffened up with air bags
I tow a boat to remote fishing destinations, so most gear is on a full length roof rack or in the boat, freeing up the space in the wagon
Each to their own
Canopy is 175kg with all draw system included Ans tray is 30kg lighter then the tub. Fully loaded with all my tools and a weeks worth of stuff for camping I come in at 2.8 as I’ve tried to keep storage space to a minimum to reduce over packing. Certainly heavier stuff out there full of stuff not needed or wasting valuable space 🤙🏽
Not much of a ute verse wagon setup when the ute has a full canopy....
That’s the advantage of a Ute. You can have a canopy. 🤷🏿♂️
Manureavable 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻
Manoeuvrable 😉 ✅
Shut up you 😂
Queensland the freedom state
🤣. I know I’m just jealous.
4x4 Vanlife
Где контент!? Разговор не о чём!
If I know what you said id know how to reply better 😂
Just change the channel 👍
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Quite honestly, who gives a shit. I have nothing against your video or comparison, but hasn't all of this 4x4 setup crap gone too far? Just like you said at the end of the vid, you don't need any of that to get out in the bush and have a good time. You actually don't even need the 4be! And to spend $25k+ on a setup, on top of the car, when you're so young?! Money well spent? 🤔
You’re entitled to camp your way just as much as I’m entitled to camp my way.
This channel is lousy, unsubscribed!
🤣. Cya.