Brewers Lose after Batter Hits Catcher On Follow Through To Erase Run
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I'm impressed at how the umpire made the call immediately and exactly correctly. He knew that rule like he had taken a test on it right before the game. Matt wasn't immediately familiar with it, and apparently neither was the manager who got tossed.
😂😂
However the commissioner should SUSPEND the manager for a month... A manager should know the rules of baseball as well as the umpire... Being tossed for the rest of that game is NOT sufficient PUNISHMENT...
That's a silly penalty
Umpires do have to remember a crazy amount of rules and regs, and they should get props for that. Comparatively speaking, calling balls and strikes should be easy. Right, Angel and CB? Hello? Is this thing on?
Given the quality of umpiring having him correctly and immediately identify the result of the play is impressive. Hard on Brewers who didn't have the rule book applied correctly against New York.
I appreciate that you went down the rabbit hole and checked on the rule before making the video. This doesn't seem to be something that you can figure out in the moment, unless you're an umpire.
If you drill down into the rules regarding the batter converting to a baserunner, that means that when the bat strikes the catcher the rule is that NONE of the baserunners can advance. That means that the batter cannot convert into a baserunner and advance to first either. So the pass ball with the concern that the batter would have beaten the ball to first base is a moot point. The ball is a dead ball when the bat strikes the catcher and all runners must retreat to the original bag. Since it was strike 3 the batter is out because he cannot advance. Good ruling by the umpire.
Crappy luck for Brewers, but it's the correct call, and I think it's a good rule too. Regardless of intent or luck, if there is a chance of a head injury, just stop the play as quickly as possible.
I used to have guys hit me on purpose.
Used to be a catcher. Right call. Glad thats the rule. Had plenty of guys hit me on purpose.
The batter needs to control his bat. You can't hit the catcher in the head and then say "you wouldn't have made the stop anyway so it's all good".
Catcher is doing his job. Umpire had a judgment call and he made a judgment call. The batter swung and his bat clearly hit the top of the catchers helmet, which is a violation of the rule. Batter is out, runner can't score. Manager complains he's out. Everyone followed the rules as they are written. Correct calls all around!
It is a safety rule. The batter has to be mindful of his follow through.
The rule was applied correctly. I was about to comment about batters who hit catchers with their bats during the judge interference call….wish I would have now.
Intentionality isn’t a factor…..in my strong feelings:
* A batter should never be capable of hitting a catcher with his bat.
* Either the catcher is improperly positioned (making interference on him) or the batter isn’t in control.
* This needs to be an umpire judgement requirement where someone has to be called for the infraction…every time.
Called Correctly.
If he keeps two hands on the bat during follow through then this doesn’t happen ever.
Or at minimum don’t release the left hand until deceleration begins. This comes down proper training
The one handed follow-through has been catching on lately. It started in the 80s but seems to have become an issue lately.
@@visarr yeah I’m not a fan of it. I teach my son to keep two hands on the bat until it decelerates. For a right handed batter you don’t need your bat turning your body towards the 3rd base line anyway, especially if you make contact. I know everyone has a preference on swinging, but imagine costing your team the game because of this nonsense.
Right call. The opposite is also true if the bat hits the catcher’s glove, intent notwithstanding , dead ball and first base is awarded. The rule is the rule.
Watched this live last night and thought either you or Jomboy would be all over this.
The rule is called correctly, and the batter is out on strike 3.
I understand his frustration, but luck is fickle. As backgammon players say, if you can’t handle the swings (statistical variance, no pun intended), take up a different game. Shithouse luck happens in both directions.
From the manager’s perspective, getting tossed may be the right move to spark his guys.
Classic Backgammon saying.
@@jimyeats - Bill Robertie suggested Parcheesi in one of his books. lol
Ozuna is going to hate this rule being enforced.
I think those one handed backswings are a really bad habit.
There is ZERO reason for the back swing to be that far back even if the catcher is moved up a bit to field the short hop pitch. My hitting coach wanted the barrel of the bat to finish flush across my back on a full swing.
Bad luck but rt call was made because he applied it properly according to procedure and their protocol !! Great job ! !!
That's one heck of a follow through.
the home run has ruined baseball. everyone trying to generate max power for the long ball. i miss the days of shortening up the swing with 2 strikes. yeah i am old.
Interestingly, Bonds always choked up and had one of the quickest, shortest swings and he has the homer record.
I love manufactured runs and advancing the runner as much as a homerun.
@@Sublimeskillz cough cough steroids cough cough
@@119Agent Absolutely. Also the Free90(tm) that the host is always talking about.
Strikeouts are through the roof. They lowered the mound in the late 60s due to the high strikeout rate. It lowered the rate for less than a decade but then it climbed to the stratosphere ever since. I'm not sure what the solution is. Can they change the compression of the baseball?
Rule applied correctly and is a good rule, that backswing was ridiculous, batter needs to control his bat, you can’t thump catcher on the head, which nearly knocks him down btw, and then argue “but it didn’t make a difference”.
I agree it was applied correctly but don't think it's a good rule. If the catcher didn't fall forward into his backswing he never would have gotten hit. Not the batters fault he can't see the catcher moving forward into his backswing.
The catcher moved into his zone. It's catchers fault.
@@sholomschonfeld2836first of all, no, the rule protects the catcher. It doesn’t matter how he moves. Any unintentional or intentional hit is a dead ball, period. That’s the rule, like Antonelli tried to tell you. You don’t have to like it. Secondly, that’s a natural move by the catcher. He needs freedom to make it, without getting conked in the head.
Backswings are getting quite dangerous.
They are, and catchers are getting closer and closer. Too close. Lots of catcher interference have happened. I have seen so many of them this year.
The catcher leaned forward. Bad break.
Nobody has been hurt though. I think we can relax until someone actually gets hurt instead of umpires literally breaking the rules and calling outs when a single out can determine who wins. Also, the only reason fans care about injuries is because they want their team to win, its not like you actually care about the health and safety of people who make millions to put their bodies at risk but don't say or do anything about the safety of people who make $12 an hour because that would make you an idiot.
@@ADJUDlCATOR I do care about the safety of people. Lol
@@ADJUDlCATOR umm yes, catchers have been hurt, many times.
It’s a good call.
I’m new to your channel, I like it very much but I wish you had slightly better audio quality.
Rules are rules. Done!
Awful luck for the Brewers, but refreshing to see the umps finally get a call right this week.
Wish they showed the top down view to get a better perspective of the catcher's positioning and movement.
So I seen the other day when the catcher threw the ball back hit hit the batter, an no penalty was given, shouldn’t the batter be given a base in that case?
If you are using the Walt Hriniack Style Swing, this would not have happened. But, when you do this that reaction to the bat, delays all other action from the Catcher.
I think we should call a "do over"😂. No really as mentioned above the backswings are getting really log and this will continue to occur
A do over seems even worse. It's 2 strikes so a do over actually incentivizes the batter to club the catcher to get multiple swings at the third strike. "O that's a good slider better club the catcher to force him to throw me strike 3 again"
If Bauers hadn't swung at a ball that was in the dirt and in the batter's box, it wouldn't have been an issue. It would have been a wild pitch/ball and the run would have scored. You can't expect the catcher to not try to block the ball where it was. Bauers just swung at a really bad pitch.
This is not bad luck. If the catcher isn't trying to block the ball? Does that mean he's not doing his job or does that mean if the pitch is a "better" one so that the catcher doesn't need to move (his head) forward and therefore isn't hit by the backswing? But if the pitch is "better," the ball doesn't get past the catcher, anyway, and no runner advances, anyway and the batter is simply out on strike three. So the best thing about this video is that you are teaching us about an obscure rule. 🙂
I’m just glad the catcher is OK
Keep both hands on the bat and stop the Charlie Lau 1 handed crap and you don’t hit the catcher
The catcher clearly moved forward into the batter's swing. He is in the wrong and is considered to be interfering with his swing. The batter automatically gets first base. The umpire called it wrong...
Catcher Interference
Definition
The batter is awarded first base if the catcher (or any other fielder) interferes with him at any point during a pitch.
If first base was occupied at the time of the pitch, the runner who held the base is permitted to move up one base. This also applies if first and second base were occupied or the bases were loaded at the time of the pitch.
If first base had been empty at the time of the pitch, no additional runners are permitted to advance.
When catcher interference occurs, the umpire will allow the play to progress because the outcome of the play may be more desirable than the interference. In that case, the offensive manager can elect to accept the outcome of the play over the interference.
The situation presented in the video is not "catcher's interference".
Catcher's interference occurs when the catcher interferes with the batter's ability to strike at the pitch, such as sticking his glove so far out in front of the plate that the bat makes contact with the glove as the batter attempts to strike at the pitch.
However, in the situation presented in the video, the batter had already struck at the pitch and missed, and his swing was so hard that its momentum carried the bat all the way around and (unintentionally) struck the catcher in back of him. Here, the ball becomes dead, a strike is charged to the batter, and no runners may advance [Rule 6.03a (3) and (4) Comment, Paragraph 3].
Totally controllable by the hitter -- no need to extend the bat so far after the swing -- Marcell Ozuna's the worst.
That is a long bat the batter is using, I'm surprised he didn't knock the catcher out.
Ouch
How should the rule be re-written?
@therotten6152 thanks
@therotten6152 There is already defined catcher's box. The catcher can be anywhere in there (he moved out of it in this case). An average MLB reach and a 34" bat leaves a catcher no space to be safe in the catcher's box if the batter can't control his follow through.
@therotten6152he’s supposed to not have such a ridiculous follow through. The catcher is allowed that movement. It’s a natural move that he must be able to make without being conked on the head. He was not out of position. The rule is fine. Batters gotta stop with this nonsensical swing. The batter…has a BAT. He’s the dangerous one.
4.03:
(a)The catcher shall station himself directly back of the plate. He may leave his position at any time to catch a pitch or make a play except that when the batter is being given an intentional base on balls, the catcher must stand with both feet within the lines of the catcher's box until the ball leaves the pitcher's hand.
This seems to happen more often than it used to.
Rule was applied correctly, but now what stopping a catcher from falling forward everytime to get hit by the backswing so no runners can ever advance?
Common sense, would YOU want to get hit in the head by a bat?
Nothing in the rules prevents this other then catcher not wanting to be hit by the bat....
@@ingiford175 Not to mention, not every backswing ends back up where the swing starts... talk about overswinging. Batter was definitely a three true outcomes kinda guy... swung THAT hard at a pitch in the dirt.
Edit: Looked up this guy's stats. He's a career mendoza line batter, who strikes out 1/3rd of the time, but doesn't hit for power (or average). So... there has to be some prospect that is a better batter than this guy. His fielding must be insane to keep him in the big leagues.
What happens if a batter hits the ball and his backswing strikes the catcher? Is that a dead ball or does the play go on?
Edit: looks like maybe it’s only an issue of it directly affects the catcher, so a regular hit ball with unintentional backswing hitting the catcher, and no play involving the catcher, then nothing would happen. But…if it was a little dribble hit and the catcher had to make a play on the ball, then I think it would be a strike call unless the catcher played the ball and got the runner out.
Dead ball is dead ball regardless if it's hit or not.
@@daifeichu Well that’s not really how the rule reads though, even for this scenario, if the catcher makes a play on the runner and they’re out it’s allowed to stand, but if they don’t make a play then the runners return to their bases, and a strike is called.
Edit: Here is part of the rest of the rule, “If this infraction should occur in a situation where the catcher’s initial throw directly retires a runner despite the infraction, the play stands the same as if no violation had occurred”.
@@jimyeats Okay. So not 100% dead ball if the catcher makes a play. If the batter does hit the ball and then hits the catcher then dead ball and a strike, no?
@@daifeichu That’s what I’m asking, I don’t see any clear info on that. If the batter hits a clean hit that doesn’t involve the catcher, but his backswing hits the catcher, is that an automatic strike? Seems kind of crazy to do that, and this rule that Antonelli just referenced doesn’t really explain that scenario.
@therotten6152 I agree. I think this rule only comes into play if it’s a scenario like this where the catcher is involved in the play. But still, some clarification would be nice.
The rule isn’t the problem. The huge out of control backswing is the problem. Too many batters have over exaggerated backswings that can be dangerous. I’d like to see a rule change making hitting the catcher on the backswing an automatic out.
It shouldn’t be because the catchers can move as close as they want to get that backswing contact. Unless they implement a line the catcher can’t go over when setting up behind the plate the backswing rule is useless
@@LonghairedJizzExpert That’s nonsense. Most players backswing would never hit the catcher no matter how close the catcher moves up. When players don’t release the back hand from the bat, the back swing isn’t exaggerated. In that case it’s almost impossible to hit the catcher on the backswing. Releasing the back hand from the bat has no impact on power or ball contact. It’s only a style issue and allows the backswing to come all the way around to the catcher. If a catcher is close enough to get hit with a two handed backswing, then he’s close enough to get killed by the actual swing…which is the catchers fault.
@@robertmatthews4285 go look up Wilson Contreras getting hit with a back swing on the back of his head then go look at a few weeks ago when he got he arm broken into pieces because he is to close to the plate. Players can have as much of a backswing as they want. Just like how NBA players need to follow through with their jump shot, MLB hitters follow through on there swing to get the best outcome
Apparently it is too extreme to create a rule that batters have to keep both hands on the bat during their follow through. That would eliminate catchers getting hit with a bat, right ?
Bad luck, but good umpiring.
Good call. But MLB should re-write the rule with catchers getting ever closer to batters today
Rule applied correctly. Nothing to see here.
You mentioned judge from the Yankees a couple of times. If you did your homework like you said you do the ruling was also correct. Most of the time that's the way judge slides. It was confirmed from the baseball analyst.
The brewers should be happy.. In NCAA and NFHS (high school) ball.. this is INTERFERENCE...(which the MLB rules strickly says it's not to be considered).. in those other two.. it's also a dead ball.. so the strike 3 is one out.. but as it's INT, you have to get the runner closest to home too because the hitter is already out on strikes.. OUCH... if there were not already 2 strikes.. everything from the contact becomes a do-over here..
But if the batter runs towards and get on first base, will he still be out?
Yes he was out because he made contact with catcher
He's out because he swung and missed for strike three. He can't advance because he hit the catcher on his backswing. If it had been strike two, he'd still be in the box with another shot at it.
Oh see get it ...that good call by umpire
It's fair that the ball is dead if the catcher gets hit with the bat. Often the catcher is shaken up after getting hit and he shouldn't be expected to handle a live ball.
is it the batters fault if the catcher gets hit in the head or the catcher fault allowing himself to get hit in the head?
@@hiilikeyourbeard if the batter has a follow through long enough to hit a catcher, the batter shouldn't get any benefit.
@@harty3113 no one should get a benefit at all its a stupid rule. getting hit with a bat is part of the risk of being a catcher. play on. the rule alone cost the run. play wasn’t even effected so why have the rule if the rule itself is the interference?
@@hiilikeyourbeard because it is effected. The catcher getting hit can keep him from being part of the play. At minimum his reaction is slowed which gives a benefit to the batters team. Normally it's just a dead ball but in this case it's strike three so the batter is out which makes it look worse than the call actually is
@@harty3113 lol no one was effected at all though is the thing. the only thing that was effected was possibly the outcome of the game and an out called when it shouldn't have been...proving the rule itself to be more harmful than helpful. such a stupid rule! even if the catcher gets knocked out from a backswing it's his own fault for being close enough to get knocked out...maybe pay attention and don't set up so close? you said normally it's a dead ball so why wasn't this a dead ball? a dead ball means no play can happen. the batter was called out so that's not a dead ball. umps and MLB shitting the bed
There is no reason to let the top hand go. All of the greatest hitters in the game kept two hands on the bat.
I'm wondering why the batter took such a huge swing at a ball that was so low to the ground. That was more of a golf swing than a baseball swing.
The judge slide was really bad and the umps really missed that one
I get the rule was aplied correctly, but howabout the catchers needs to be adequately beyond the batters swing. I know the angle of the pitch screwed up the batter into a golf swing and the catcher coming closer to batters side & forward to block the ball attributed to this
There is no sound reason for a hitter to let go of the bat with one hand on any swing.
Yes, the catcher is in the catcher's box. The batter needs to NOT swing his bat back in there! Catcher doesn't go in the batter's box, batter should stay out of the catchers box. works well that way
I hate it when a team complains about a call going against them that was entirely their fault. If you want to avoid being penalized on a call like this, control your backswing. It's that simple. The batter brought this upon himself.
Ozuna is apparently exempt from this rule.
I hate the pass ball especially at the lower level it can cost you a game
Yeah, but at least it serves a purpose. It prevents the pitcher with two strikes on the batter from just throwing utterly unhittable balls without some potential consequence.
The ball was past the catcher before he was struck in the helmet. Would that make a difference in the call ? Also, catchers are setting up closer to hitters or stabbing at balls while hitters are setting up on the back line of the box. It will have to be addressed.
No, it makes no difference. All that matters is that the batter struck the catcher.
So can the catcher deliberately move forward to instigate this happening? If so, does it matter if the catcher was simply trying to block the pitch? Does it matter if the catcher may have done this deliberately in order to get hit?
I think the catcher get hit enough so i don't think any catcher would want to get hit and possibly get hurt or have to sit out a few weeks if he gets hurts.
There are rules for where the catcher can receive the ball. That rule is to mitigate the issue you describe. Is it perfect? No. But because the rule exists the batter should know how much their swing allows a catcher to "force" backswing contact and behave appropriately.
I know catchers are a special breed, you need to be tough to play that position. I do not think anyone would intentionally move into position so they get smacked on the melon with a bat
Its a two player game though. Even if a catcher want to get hit, the batter has to swing enough for the back swing to hit the catcher, and obviously the batter is not obligated to do that.
This is the number 1 problem with this ruling. The catcher moves laterally into the swing. How is that fair?
The Rays lost the game before because a HR was ruled on the field and then overturned and the runner had to return to first. If he goes to second, they win the game.
It sucks but the correct ruling happened in both games.
I do feel bad for Brewers fans because it looked like they were scoring the tying run.
Also Rene Pinto is not a MLB catcher. His tendency to pass balls like this happens way too often.
As a brewers fan, the rule was applied correctly. I just hate this rule
I'm curious why you "hate the rule.". Are you saying the batter should be able to hit the catcher on the back swing with impunity? Like he could take him out with a runner on 3rd so the runner can score easily? Like, what would you change about the rule? Cause it seems pretty good to me.
@@joshuaanderson4090 Catcher moving forward and into the swing is not the batter’s fault. At worst, the count before the pitch should be restored
@@Kenny-mu2xb There is no excuse for that back swing. This is all on the hitter.
Swinging the bat backwards into the catcher's box IS the batters fault! Good rule, catching is hard enough without having bat heads flying backwards into your space!
Was a good call. Dead ball. It's either catch interference or the batter is out
Right call💯
Looks like he meant to do it when you slow it down.
Brewers fans pulling our hair out again Tuesday night. Peralta was ejected for hitting a batter on the leg. They won anyway, fortunately.
This is why letting go of the bat with one hand during a swing is a bad bad thing to teach.
Coach: ok catcher, since you are not actually required to remain in the catchers box we are going to buy you an extremely tough helmet and we will expect you to be sure that you put your head into the path of the bat every time a batter swings.
Base hit = strike
home run = strike
Sounds like a plan.
That’s was a tap not intentional
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So what is Catcher interference
That’s if the bat on the swing hits the glove…not on the follow-through. That’s a dead ball…batter awarded first on E2…runners stay unless forced.
Maybe batters will stop with the extreme follow-through.
The rule WAS applied and correct. Stop whining
Seems like the catcher moved into the swing zone of the batter.
Batter should not be penalized for that.
catcher was in the catcher's box. Batter shouldn't be swinging in there.
get hit by a swing once, you learn not to reach. get hit by slung bats and backswings, you wanna fight someone and should be called out
Don't let go of the bat. The idiot hitter should have kept control of the bat by holding on to it.
Unfortunate, but life is not fair.
So now, catchers can move into the swing and get the batter out.
If the catcher moves into the swing, it is catcher's interference and the batter gets a free pass to first base. If the catcher is in the catcher's box, or making a regular play on the ball, and the batter hits him with his BACKSWING, it is the batter's fault, and it is a dead ball. The only reason this batter is out, is because he struck out! it was strike three. If it had been strike two, it would have been a dead ball, the runner would have gone back to third, and he'd have had another crack at it.
Excellent umpiring.
I think too many players and managers are getting tossed for BS reasons.
Would the ball have passed him if he hadn't been hit?
The ball was already past him before he got hit.
There is no timing in the rule rule says if back swing hits the catcher (even if catcher moves into it), it is a non-interference call.
Good rule.
Applied correctly.
Crappy luck. My heart goes out to Brewers fans.
There's almost no such thing as a rule in any sport that doesn't have some specific scenario where it doesn't feel good. This is that scenario. Doesn't feel good, but if it were any of the other perfectly normal cases when this could happen, we would all be like, yeah, that seems reasonable. And that's how rules work.
good call
Idk the catcher literally came forward with his head down.
Bad rule.
Use shorter bat. Simple
Guess I don’t understand baseball. So, the catcher can lean far forward into the natural path of the bat, get hit by the bat and the batter is automatically a strike? That makes no sense.
God don't want the Brewers taking Central
You can’t draw a circle and make a catcher keep his head inside that circle and not be able to play his position. Which is his job.
Batters swing follow-throughs have gotten totally out of hand.
That’s the rule . Just 💩 for luck😢🤷🏻
catcher lunges into bat.
Am that theater is so unnecessary.
Kudos to the ump who nailed this call immediately, and correctly. He is right and the manager should also know the rules.
Get real. Batter lost control of lumber. Umpire wa signaling dead ball jot time out. GOOD RULE and ruling.
I believe I said all of that
Catcher hit him
That’s follow through interference. Not back swing.
First, the rule was applied correctly. No issue there. My issue is with the rule. If the batter is in the box and isn't intentionally attempting to hit the catcher, this should be interference on the catcher. Had the catcher stayed back where he was supposed to be, no issues. So this is the catchers fault, not the batters.
I'd agree with you, unless the catcher was actually in his catcher's box. A guy standing at the back of the batter's box, swinging a 34" bat, with an average reach only leaves the catcher about an inch and a half at the back of the catcher's box if the batter can't control his backswing better. If he's going to follow through like that, there is no place where the catcher can be that is safe.
The catcher is in the right spot, and he should have a chance to make a play on balls in the dirt - without a bat head flying into the space! It is close quarters back there and luckily this doesn't happen often. It's a good rule. If the bat hits the catcher's glove on the swing (intentional or not) then it is catcher's interference, and the batter gets a free pass to first base. If the batter hits the catcher on the backswing, then the ball is dead. - it's pretty simple - the batter isn't out (except in high school rules, where he is) but obviously he swung, so its a strike. and if its strike three (as it was in this case). yes, he's out. As he would have been if the catcher caught the ball in the first place. He also would be out if the catcher scooped up the ball and threw to first - but since he's been hit in the head, he doesn't have a fair chance to make a play on the ball as he normally would. Good rule.
In a way I’m reminded of the rules pertaining to each individual ballfield. Let’s say there’s a wall there; well you’re not gonna move the wall just to please the team that the wall offended because you know we’re not tearing down physical walls so we’re not going to just change the rules because you complain about it so get out of my face get off the field go take a shower… calm down. You are unaware of the rules and if you’re not then you’re just making a jack ass out of yourself there Mr. Coach.
Ozuna does this the worst.
Stop it with the loopy backswings. Ozuna regularly does this shit too.