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I was expecting the runner at third to tag up prematurely. Good on him for not falling for it.
That what I was expecting.
me too!
I think what you mean is that you were expecting the runner at third to leave the base before the fielder touched the ball. (Runner can leave the base as soon as a fielder touches the ball and doesn't have to wait for a catch to be completed.) The video does not show when the runner at third leaves the bag. With one out and runners in scoring position, this is a timing play, so all the umpires are watching to see if runners leave the bases early. It's possible that the plate umpire, who has responsibility for the runner at third, was fooled by the left fielder's feint and judged the time of the fielder's touch at the feint. Since this game was in the first inning, a coach can't appeal a tagged-up call with video review. In my opinion, this was a stupid act by the left fielder and I wouldn't be surprised if he got an earful of "advice" from the coach at the completion of the half inning.
@@thatzwhat You can’t be serious.
@@parttimehuman Totally serious. There are good reasons why a thoroughly experienced player/coach like Mr Antonelli has not seen this "trick play" before.
Back in American Legion ball, our coach had us do what we called the 3 Ball walk. With a runner on first, when the batter got his third ball in the count, he would throw his bat toward the dugout and start jogging toward first. At the same time, the runner on first would start jogging toward second. By the time everyone figured out that it was only ball 3, the runner was already safe at second and the batter had to return to the plate. It didn't work with runners at 1st and 2nd because the throw to third was too easy. This worked for a while, but eventually the word got out and our opponents were looking for this trick.
That’s ok, we used the CF camera, a monitor in the clubhouse, and a trash can to relay the signs..
Nefarious game..
@@jacobjones5269 signed, the 2017 astros, dodgers, red sox, AND yankees. yup....players from all those teams confirmed use of camera to steal signs but MLB deemed it too detrimental to the sport to have anyone exposed/punished except the astros. facts.
The other cool thing about this is that when the left fielder is faking the catch, the centerfielder has his glove down at his side. He's selling it just as hard too. But no, have never seen this before. But it does remind me of the play you see sometimes in football where the team receiving the punt will have their blockers drift back to the wrong side of the field with a second return man faking the catch of the punt, while it's actually being received near the opposite sideline. In both cases, the team running the fake is depending on the other team to be following the players and not the actual flight of the ball.
I was watching college baseball clips the other day, can't remember the team but I noticed they did this same thing - it caught my attention and I thought it was pretty smart. An evolution of the fake-cut/fake-throw in the infield. I'm sure we'll start to see a lot more of this when the situation allows. Great breakdown Matt!
We used to teach this at our HS 15 years ago. It never worked for us, but we did try it whenever the situation was right.
Slight clarification. If the run scores before the appeal at another base for leaving early has occurred and as long as the runner at third tagged up correctly, the run still counts.
Yep, timing play
Agreed, and explained further here: www.stevetheump.com/scoring_runs.htm
All great points, Matt. Faked out the camera operator.😊 But props to operator for tracking it smooth.
The run may score, it's a time play, even if the deception works.
If the run scores before the third out (being a player, that is not the run scorer, not tagging up) it counts.
Correct. It would be a time play.
But keep in mind the throw to second is likely to get there before the runner from third can score. So that could prevent the run from scoring anyway.
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think, the run scores in that scenario. If the runner on 1st or 2nd leaves to early and gets doubled up for the third out, it's a force play because he has to retreat. I think that prevents the run from scoring. Now, if the runner on 3rd and 2nd both tag up correctly and try to score/advance and the throw goes to third to tag out the runner advancing from 2nd, then it would be a matter of whether the runner going home scored before the runner going to 3rd was tagged out.
@@manuelrogus2833 The batter is out because of the caught fly ball. That's the only reason there is a question about tagging up or not. Since there can't be a force play, you have a timing play on the run scoring.
@@MH-Tesla You are absolutely correct. After I commented, I looked it up and it's exactly as you said. Doubling up a runner is considered a timing play, even if the runner that is doubled up is the third out. So, any run that scores before the runner is doubled up counts. I learned something new today. I always thought it was comparable to a conventional inning-ending double play.
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I've never even thought of this! Interesting!
I ump college and semi-pro ball for 23 years and never seen that play. That was an excellent play by both outfielders. I hope that the umps were sharp enough notice the most likely fielder to catch the ball, because that’s not a play that you pre-game discuss for coverage. Nice job in discussing the potential and resulting play.
I was actually thinking the umps could get fooled too. The defensive team appeals the play at third for a guy that left early, but the ump calls him safe. Is there a video replay for that?
@@dphachey The NCAA allows video review to determine if a runner failed to retouch a base after a fair or foul ball is legally caught, beginning in the last two innings of regulation and extra innings, and only by a coach’s challenge or at the crew chief’s discretion .
The out on appeal for the runner on second or first would only stop the run from scoring if it was completed before the runner on third touched home. It's a timing play.
Of course, if the runner on third left early, and the appeal was made on him, he would be out, and his run would not count.
And it is unlikely an appeal at first would prevent a run unless the baserunner didn't run hard to home (though a possibility in today's game).
I'm not sure that's correct. In this case, it creates a force play which is unaffected by timing.
@@danacoleman4007 No, it is not a force play. As others have correctly said, it is a time play. There can never be a force play once the batter is put out on a caught fly ball.
@@alanhess9306 hmm. Ok. So in the scenario we're discussing, in order to be put out, does the base runner need to be tagged with the ball or can the defenseman just touch the bag?
@@danacoleman4007 The defense can tag the runner or step on the base that was left early. It is an appeal play which is a time play. It is not a force play.
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The run won't score assuming you tag the runner at second before the run scores. It's a time play if the guy in 2nd leaves early but the guy on third doesn't.
that can happen or the runner at third could leave early.
My favorite fake play was a runner on second and Babe Ruth in right field. The batter hits a high, deep fly, Babe ran back a couple of steps, then stopped acting as if it was a home run. The runner on second was fooled and turned to jog to third and home. While his back was to Babe, he didn't see him catch the ball (it was not a home run, just a fly ball) and throw to second to double up the runner who wondered why his third base coach was yelling at him.
I could see another advantage to this would be having the 'fake' fielder a bit more shallow and perhaps make the runner at 3rd that it's not going to be deep enough to score and perhaps they don't try to tag.
I was thinking about that. If the goal was to catch runners advancing early, setting the Left Fielder a bit deeper would have been better to convince the runners that they had enough time to make it to the next base. If the goal is convince the runners not to run, shifting the Left Fielder a little closer to third would be better, like you said.
The deeper the ball the less we feel the need to leave early to beat the throw. Short is the way to go imo
I thought the same thing.
This is kind of similar to where an outfielder knows he's not going to be fast enough to catch a ball hit deep, runs towards where it's probably going to come down, stops a little bit early and looks at it like he IS going to catch it, and then fields it when it hits the ground. This causes runners to not advance as far as they could have.
I saw one a couple of weeks ago where the outfielder stands up like it's an easy catch, but it was actually over his head. He simply turned around and played the rebound off the wall, and his fake kept the runner on first.
Matt- if third base tags and scores and second base leaves early, the run counts unless the out on the runner is made before r3 crosses the plate. This isn’t a force play. It’s an appeal. Appeals are time plays.
So I just watched this whole video expecting that one of the runners left early and that this was a great trick play that worked. That’s seven minutes of my life I’m never gonna get back over a trick play that didn’t even work.
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you sound like a man who has never wasted 7 minutes of his life
now we are all worshipping the ground you walk on
That's clever, like to see more plays like that
This is really a no-risk play for the defense and it will work sometimes. I expect that we will see many more teams doing this going forward.
@@patron40silver what's the risk?
Matt a few years back when i played 3rd base and a runner on 2nd the bell was hit to center for a hit but i noticed the runner didn't see it drop so i jumped up and down yelling back to second he didn't tag up. Well yes the runner stopped half way to 3rd and started back to second and got out when he should have scored. As he came off the field i told him to never listen to the other team.😅
You're fortunate that you weren't called for (verbal) obstruction. At the end of the play, the umpire should have signaled time (ball is dead after obstruction call) and awarded the runner third and possibly home if, as you said, "he should have scored" were it not for the obstruction.
Isnt obstruction a delayed deadball?
If you are telling your on player to throw the ball to a base how could that be obstruction? Maybe if i was a runner on base and a ball is hit close to me and i called it as if i was one of the defense players then yes they may call me out but not for telling my on player where to throw the ball.
@@guyray1504 My comment is based on NFHS (high school) baseball rule 2-22-1, where obstruction can be a physical or verbal act that hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play. The baseball case book provides an example similar to your anecdote: R1 attempts to steal second. F2, upon receiving the pitch, throws a pop-up to F6. F5 yells "get back, get back." R1 thinks B2 has hit a pop-up and starts back to first where the runner is tagged out. RULING: This is verbal obstruction and R1 shall be awarded second base.
My grandson’s high school team has done plays like this. Maybe not this exact play. Their coach is a baseball genius. They won the Missouri state championship last year, 2023
Actually if the runner at third scores before the runner at second or first is doubled up the run will count. The out of doubling a runner off a base is not considered a "force out" for the purpose of runs not counting.
I was playing 3b in a lawyers league softball game in Honolulu, and the other team hit a double to left field with a runner on second. I committed a fake move that I was about to catch the throw from the left fielder at third-and so the runner from second slid into third instead of running home.
In fact, there was no throw to third because the left fielder was still chasing the ball down. But I made the runner slide into third and that ticked him off. I think his words were “I could have got injured sliding, you shit!”
But hey, he didn’t score and so I saved a sure run from scoring. Funny the things we remember in our minds…here, 40 years later!!! 😢
In a friendly game, if a guy fears sliding then he should not slide at any time.
If the ump knew what he was doing he would have ejected you. It's completely illegal in every softball league that I've ever umpired or played in, which are a lot, across the country, for the exact reason that the ticked off guy complained about. A fake catch in the outfield is not the same thing as a fake catch against a runner. Most umpires and referees unfortunately should be no where near officiating games though, so I'm not surprised you weren't tossed.
So a quick correction. The run only wouldn't score if they get the tag up, appeal, out before R3 touches home. It is a timing play. I had a similar play diring a JUCO game last year, minus the fake catch. They got the double off at first AFTER R3 had scored at home. Run scores.
It’s a brilliant defensive play!
I saw Ichiro do that when he knew he wasn't going to be able to catch it. He turned at the last minute for the carom off the wall.
It’s a useless play. I played college baseball and we all knew this play. Just watch the ball not the outfielder. If you have incompetence in coaches then this can work otherwise it can actually result in an extra run scoring
If all the runners leave early AND they force an out for all bases; isn't that 4 outs? Then the extra out rolls over to there next at bats. hahaha. I wonder if there has ever been a 4 out play.
Just watching the clip, the ball off the bat was clearly headed closer towards center than left. I can only assume the runners have a much better view than me. I just don’t think the left fielder was close enough to really cause any confusion with his act.
This scenario tests the focus of the third and first base coaches. They have to be communicating so the runners don’t get fooled.
Uhm... a competent third base coach womt.be fooled.
The fake, in this case, would not work to entice the man on second to tag up early because the throw's too shallow to third. It would only be effective to get the man on third to leave early. In this game, Clemson may have appealed the runner leaving early before the next pitch; but, if it had been effective, whoever sent you the clip, would've told you about it. (Gotta believe it's been tried in the majors at some point in it's long history.)
Clemson did not appeal the play because nobody left early.
I think this was a brilliant yet well rehearsed play. And if Rob Manfred ever hears about it, I'm sure he'll create a new rule to prevent it from being allowed.
Great analysis about getting the runners to leave early.
I think that even if it doesn't work, the other team ends up a little more cautious, a little less certain about what to do. That builds delay into the other team's response.
I don't see the point. Everyone here who has played ball and been coached is told to either watch the ball get caught then go or I had one 3rd base coach that taught us to just be looking at home and take off on his command. No it was never go it was usually a number. That way you were already in running position like a sprinter and off on the gun.
I watch/attend every single Clemson game. This was the only time I have seen them try it. This was the first game of the season, and I think they thought they may catch them slipping considering it is the first game in several months. It is not signaled in from the coaching staff, but I think those two (Will Taylor in LF will be a high round draft pick this year, and Cam Cannarella is projected as a top 5 pick in 2025) probably have the go ahead to try it since they are trusted guys.
Go Tigers
Right, it can't be signaled by the coaching staff because you never know when you are going to get a fly ball in this situation. It has to be a situational thing.
@@kenconroy4053 I will say this. We have done this multiple times since this video. It is certainly something the coaches have told the guys to try. @matt_antonelli
@@Quadfather2016 I don't doubt this at all. How often does it work? I love the play and don't see any downside. Obviously the word will get out and teams will be aware not to fall for it, but it just give your opponent one more thing to think about.
Well if you say the left fielder is going pro then the only question I have is do you think he could have made the throw home to get the runner out? If so then this whole fake was a waste of time. If however he can't make the throw then I doubt he will be that high a draft pick. Then the fake is worth trying with little to lose.
hey if it works 1 in 100 times might be the difference of 1-2 extra wins per season
So what happened with the runner at third?
This is the only baseball I watch. Thank you. You make baseball interesting.
Never seen an outfield deek quite like this…..I’ve been around a while. Nice job of thinking outside the box….👍
Can an umpire call "obstruction" for such a fake - "hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play"?
SECTION 22 OBSTRUCTION AND FAKE TAG
ART. 1 . . . Obstruction is an act (intentional or unintentional, as well as physical or verbal) by a fielder, any member of the defensive team or its team personnel that hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play as in 5-1-3 and 8-3-2 ; or when a catcher or fielder hinders a batter as in 5-1-2b , 8-1-1e , 8-3-1c and 8-3-2 . When obstruction occurs, the ball becomes dead at the end of playing action and the umpire has authority to determine which base or bases shall be awarded the runners according to the rule violated (Exceptions 8-4-2c , 8-4-2d ).
Nope.
What they did was defensive obstruction, causing or trying to cause the offense to make a mistake. The umps could have awarded all runners an additional base…
That’s not how you apply that rule
this would be more interesting if you could see the baserunners when the fake catch/throw is made. it would have been even more interesting if you could have seen the base coaches.
Deception is part of the pure game itself and thus, I'm not against it in any way. This was just cringe, though.
That sort of thing happens more than you know, it just doesn't usually fool the camera man. Fielders try to deke runners all the time. Granted, infielders do this a lot more than outfielders.
Another reason for this trick play would be to make the runners think the ball was caught earlier, and convince them NOT to run for the next base.
Great video!
Just one detail that I think is wrong, though: 4:30, "....and the runner [from 3rd] won't score" if the runner from 1st or 2nd is doubled off: Actually the run *would* count, unless the throw gets to 2nd (or 1st) *before the guy from 3rd gets to the plate.* This came up in a Yankees-Mets game in the '90's. The run would count because the out on the guy who leaves early isn't considered a force play.
University of Arkansas outfielder Peyton Holt pulled this fakery on a Florida Gator (I'll call him "Deke") player this season. Deke was on 3rd, fell for the fake catch - which Peyton did all by himself - and the delay it caused enabled the Arkansas defense to throw Deke out at home. The look on the Florida HC's face was priceless.
If you never faked a play you ain’t a ball player
This reminds me of the ‘fake DP’ we used to run on a baserunner stealing from first when ball was ripped into outfield.
This is essentially the play action fake of baseball. If done in RF, you could get a double play. It’s the coach’s job to keep eye on the ball.
It’s also tough cause the CF can’t play dumb THAT long. He’s gotta position himself.
As a L fielder, we just want to be in the game. But what if the center fielder believed the L fielder caught it. What was coming his way? That's crazy. I was Rickey Henderson's competition that landed me on the JV. He mastered every sport.
That's an ingenious team fakery there, bound to catch a runner too impatient to verify what he's seen as far as a catch goes. We've all seen individual outfielders try to scam runners with the arms out, 'where's the ball' scenario... sometimes catch a greedy hitter rounding first really hard. I remember a runner on first-grounder that is quickly behind the runner; Derek Jeter masterfully came to second showing the runner a double-play in every way but having the ball and throwing it. Because this groundball really got through and might be rattling in the corner even, but if that show of a DP makes the runner slide, he doesn't make it to third while the ball is still being corralled by Paulie or whoever.
The only other team fake I saw that was well done was the 'blown pick-off play at first' I think it was Tenn Vols. The whole team worked this one, even the guys on the bench so you have to be the home team to even try it. Fake throw to first is way over first baseman's head who jumps high trying for it. Pitcher breaks to cover first. The bench then goes crazy pointing at down the line at nothing yelling, 'ball ball!' at the first baseman, who's frantically looking for the ball. Soon as the runner eats this biscuit his head is down running, pitcher lobs the ball to 2nd for the easy tag.
Not much of a trick play...didn't work. If it was deeper I could see it working, it was to shallow, guy at 2nd was never going to tag. Plus, you have Coaches....telling you when to go.
In NFL football, there was once a similar fake punt catch which was very effective - Rams vs Seahawks -
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In case nobody else has brought this up... and I don't claim to be a baseball rules expert, but wouldn't it be a timing play as to whether or not the run would count? In other words, let's say the runner on 2nd left early... if the defensive team got the ball back to 2nd base for the appeal before the runner on 3rd tagged, ran in, and touched home plate, then the run wouldn't count. But if R3 did touch home before the appeal play was made at 2nd on R2, then the run would count, even with R2 being doubled off as the 3rd out. Obviously, if R3 is the one that left early, then successfully appealing on him would nullify the run.
I thought I'd seen this before in a Cubs game. Maybe it was a little league or college game and I remembered it as a Cubs game because all the zaniest plays happen in Cubs games (see: Javy Baez "stealing first" against the Pirates).
Closest I can find is the one where Ichiro, then with the Marlins, pretends like he's camped under the ball, until the ball hits the wall about 10 feet behind him and he plays the carom perfectly because of course he did.
I disagree. This wasn't done to try to get a tagging runner leaving early. It was done to bait the runner on second to think the throw was going home so he would tag and try to advance to third so the CF can throw him out. The timing was just coincidence. It would actually work better if the fake occurs the same time as the catch. The left fielder is positioning his body, really needs to sell the fake. You need a CF who can easily catch a ball without looking like he's prepping to catch it. The CF is faking non-challantness just as the LF is executing his fake.
The point of this play is pretty simple. You’re trying to entice the runner at third to leave early so you can appeal and get the out. Runners are always taught to follow the ball into the glove and then leave. If you don’t see the ball then you don’t leave. It’s that simple. This is a great play only if the runner at third is a complete idiot. As you see, the runner at third scores, so what’s the point? No runner from second is ever going to tag on a shallow flyball to left and or to center. If anything, the centerfielder could try a back pick at 2nd with 1st baseman backing up the throw from the outfield. 🤷♂️
Ichiro faked a catch before 5/10/15 vs the Giants. Not exactly a situation like this but a fake catch nonetheless. It was a deep line drive hit over his head that would hit off the Pac Bell Stadium high RF wall. He acted like he had a play and faked a catch freezing the baserunner Arias at second base, only to whirl around as the ball hit the wall and he played it perfectly and threw it in. Saved a run.
Thanks for this great vid. As silly as it must sound, I think it is a way to learn fundamentals. The whole squad has a working an intimate knowledge of the rules and how it may "innoculate" them from falling for this, even years later. I got a really kick out of it and if leftfield was my son? I would laugh but also be very proud.
Nothing really happened. If the ball just caught regularly... runner at 3rd tags... and unners at 2nd and 1st stay put. Nothing special happened
The college kids are always thinking, communicating and coming up with creative stuff. Once they go pro, the coaching staff doesn't like it when the players have some control. Pro manager be like "I didn't call that play!"
This calls for clear communication, but I knew a coach that said miscommunication in the outfield is unacceptable. The center fielder is in charge, should be the only one yelling in most cases, and he yells "me me me" or "you you you" because if he yells "I got it" or "you got it" all they hear is "got it." I think if they really communicate well, a code word could help here, so the runners don't know . . . .
or alternatively: even if you only half-fool them and the runner leaves early but then immediately corrects themself and gets back to ther starting base, they have now blown their chance to tag-up!
In theory you could make a hilarious traffic jam on the bases happen and get multiple outs from this but the opposing team would have to be quite daft😂
I think it would help even more if the left fielder (in this situation) would have been flailing his arms as if waving the center fielder off, like saying, "I got it; I got it." Might help to throw the runners off a little more ... ???
Correct me if I'm wrong. There are 2 ways to appeal a runner leaving too early on a tag.
Appeal 1: Throw directly to the base after the catch and appeal to the umpire and
Appeal 2: Give the ball to the pitcher and step on the rubber, then step off and throw to the base.
I have seen in the MLB where R3 leaves early and the defense does Appeal 2 and the other runner still on base gets picked off on purpose before they appeal to protect the run scored. If the defense does Appeal 1 because R3 left early, can R1 or R2 get thrown out on purpose to end the inning before the defense appeals to protect the run scored?
This play would have a better chance of being successful on a really deep fly ball. The left fielder was so shallow when he faked the catch and throw that only the man on third would be likely to try to advance. He apparently was not fooled, as he tagged up after the REAL catch. If all three baserunners had thought they had a realistic chance to tag up and advance, maybe one would have been fooled.
I would think that the runners who are tagging up have no other job than to follow the ball. This would be better if the sun was behind the fielders, so the base runners were blinded from seeing the ball. Even then, I would think that inability to see would have them err on the side of caution.
But, inattentive runners are always a possibility, so even if it only works on rare occasions, this ploy is a good tactic, in my opinion.
I wonder if this play was inspired in any way by the light hearted antics of Adrian Beltre. He did this all the time just for the fun of it... perhaps to me with the camera crews, as well as his teammates.
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This is a pretty cool adaptation by Clemson. As you say in the video, it only needs to work once in a while to be worthwhile.
Cool stuff
You could do a variation where the left fielder starts running back towards the wall like the ball got past him. For that, I think you'd want to pick a runner and try to take an angle that 'screens' the ghost ball so the runner can't see that it's not there. With the play he did make he might have been able to come in a bit more and screen the actual catch, but he'd have to make sure to keep going so he'd get out of the way of the actual throw.
Another downside, you could fool the cutoff man and hit him with the throw.
All that said, the left fielder deserves a Razzie. The fake catch was fine, but that fake throw looked pretty obviously fake. It looked like he decided he wanted to become an ice skater and or ballet dancer and pirouette after the throw.
My suggestion is the guy that is faking, He needs to act like he dropped it and he can't find the ball/. The guy is faking the catch. He could actually fake like. He caught it sooner and fake. Throw that he's caught the ball that way. The guy's might tag up and go ahead and take off too soon.
The key here is the "Faker" has to pull off the fake BEFORE the actual catch. My question is how many times a game do you want to pull this?
Hold on. The run would score unless the third out is made before the runner from third touches home. I expect that doubling the runner off second could be quickly completed in time, and there is nothing bad about doubling the man off first if that is all you can get. You've got a potential 4-out inning if they double a man off first or second after the run touches home, if the man on third had also left early.
That's useless. As a baseball player, you follow the ball all the way, so you're going to see who's catching it and not what another defensive player is doing. That other player doing the fake is totally irrelevant.
I was tagged out on an inside the park home run by a sneaky catcher who faked catching the ball when I was two thirds down the third base line. I raced back towards third, my coach screaming to run home. By the time I headed back home, the catcher DID have the ball.
I don't think the point was to get a baserunner to leave early. It was probably to make the runner at second think the throw was to the plate, so that he could easily advance to third. The centerfielder did not throw to second, but toward third. The fake throw by the leftfielder was terribly fake, so it wasn't going to fool anyone really watching him.
I was expecting one of the outfielders to fake like they missed the catch and take off running back to the fence......causing the 3rd basemen not to tag up....then the guy who caught it to throw to 3rd
Base runner has got to be an airhead to fall for this especially at college level. Tho with over coaching in youth ball players don't properly develop runner skills so maybe.
Also isn't the out for other runners a timing play?
If you are going through all that trouble to get the guy at third then why wouldn't the left fielder turn his back and run back like he misplayed the ball or perhaps make a fake slide for the ball. Problem is that the fake just freezes the guy at third because he faked the throw to home which never would have worked in college ball. So all that for naught.
While interesting... It didn't work. Not sure about creating a video about a gimmick that failed. Seems like a waste of time imo
Could it also be that they are trying to keep the runner at third from trying to score at all? If the runner at third actually believes the left fielder caught the ball, he might think the LF is close enough to home to throw him out. So maybe he doesn't try at all. Didn't happen that way, of course.
I've seen MLB outfielders do this all the time. I've even seen MLB infielders pretend to be under the ball just to make the runner think the ball wasn't hit deep. This is a common tactic
This is a bit different, but Ichiro saved a run by faking catch. Then chased the ball, and threw it 8th the cutoff man. The runner on first could only get to third.
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If you're the runner, you can hear the ball hit leather, and even if you did not track the ball in the air, u can see it hit the glove... this is the single lamest trick play in the history of sports since Lucy thought it was funny to pull up the tee on Charlie Brown just before he kicked
This play is rarely, if ever, going to work, even if the ball is hit to the left fielder and the center fielder fakes the catch and throw, in the hope that the shallower left fielder bring that much closer to the base runners has a better chance of catching them off the base needing less distance to throw. Once it is a fly ball of that height reached by the ball, the runners will almost always tag up, it's just what they are taught to do.
Now if the ball is more of a line drive, there is a possibility of it working but even then, not much of one.
Ahh of the runner followed the ball right he would of saw center fielder make catch, plus ball wasn't hit far enough for guy on 2nd to advance. And you let run score if anything on the play
The coaches should be helping by letting the runners know where the ball is ... especially if you are playing against a team who is known to try a lot of sneaky stuff!!!
Imho. Easy catchable fly ball to the shallow outfield. The runner on third was going to tag and score and the runners on second and first were going to hold no matter who caught the ball. I can't see the advantage of the trickery.
I seen this play at an Iowa Cubs game. The ball was hit to right field, the right fielder knew he wasn’t going to make it to the ball so he slowed his run held up his glove as if he was going to make the catch which held the runner on second. He got the ball on a bounce and threw it in. The runner didn’t advance so instead of being on third he’s on second. The next batter sends one to deep center which would have scored a run if the runner was at third.
Back in my hardball and even later in my softball days I was a centerfielder and when a batter got a base hit up the middle I would bend down to scoop up the ball and pretend that it went under my glove and I turn around and take a step to get the ball and a lot of the times the runner would break for 2nd base. that trick work fairly often, especially in softball.
I believe that the return to the base after a fly ball is caught is not a "force play." Consequently, if the run scores before an appeal is deemed successful, I believe that the run will count.
Cool play. But I think faking dropping the ball before the other outfielder catches it would produce better results.
So you have to hope that the opposing team gets confused but that the umps don’t. Could be challenging.
The one time you get someone? What about every time you look like a goofball when you don’t? Also fake throwing sometimes you can hurt yourself
My brother showed a few kids this in the 90’s at Mickey Owen Baseball school. Works well if you act it out right.
Great analysis, but you should show what the result of this particular play was. What happened? Also, it is the jobs of the bases coaches to look at the field and tell the or help the runners. No?
I'm not much of a baseball guy, so on first watch, I didn't realise the fake throw was to home. I thought it was toward third in order to keep the runner on second base.