When The Predecessor Is Better Than The Successor
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- A card from 4 years ago in the came class, out competing its successor? It's more likely than you think! The RX 5300, is a splendid card, and I really wanted to show it off and talk about it while also finding excuses to give you to not get an RX 6300. I went, all out, on this video and learned a lot. I might start making me editing simpler since it seems to suck up a lot of energy on these videos. But regardless, I had fun with it, and the video turned out pretty good I think.
Shout outs to @IcebergTech and @RandomGaminginHD for their videos! Check them out in the links below!
Iceberg Tech: • AMD's Dirty Little Secret
RandomGaminginHD: • The Radeon RX 6300 - I...
Seriously, this video wouldn't have been possible without them.
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I paid £60 for my 6300, which was £50 too much.
Frankly, there are cheaper display adapters out there that are not nearly as insulting...
@IcebergTech I honestly don't get how expensive it is. I understand the costs to make it is there, but even then, it is just a sad excuse for a 'cheap' display out.
Love Iceberg's honesty here :D
@@BudgetBin I don't think it was ever meant to be sold, hence why it's technically "unreleased" it was only meant for OEM, not retail sale and now that people started making videos on it, there's now a demand for the few out there
Shoutout Iceberg 💪🏻
The 32bit memory bus is a crime.
That memory bus and bandwidth is tighter than my anus
Even cpu has 64 bit, what a nasty cut down
It seems that's because the VRAM chip count is halved from the 6400. You'd have to be royally demented to design a chip with a 32bit bus in this day and age.
@@jm036 when you look at board of the garbage one it has a chip missing because the pads are still there I wonder what chip could go there
@@NicVandEmZ Clearly for the RX 6400 versions of the board
this is something fun. having a GPU thats older and performs a crap ton better compared to its newer counterpart. alot of fun :D
@@Nikkerston glad you enjoyed it! :) I love older hardware that performs good despite how much time has passed.
@@BudgetBin same here
Welcome to the 2020s. When The GPUs are overpriced by inflation and scalping and companies tell it's because It's an AI accelerator.
Dell "Hey AMD, give me a display adapter for F series intel chips". AMD "Ok"
That 32-bit bus and a single RAM chip is probably more impactful than the reduced compute cores.
the 6300 makes the 6GB 3050 look good
the 3050 6GB at least have a good baseline performance for a 75w card. The 6300 is a repeated time of 2014 (GTX 750Ti)
At least the 6300 is just an obscure OEM card, which the 3050 6gb isn't
The 6300 seems to be the 1630 of AMD
@@sehnsucht1999But the rx 6400 & 6500 xt exist…
Both are worse
The 3050 owners are crying on the comments 😭
Man, I love these minimalistic AMD shrouds. It looks like the R9 and RX 4xx cards.
@@DronSkyhawk I love those shrouds, they are so professional looking.
R9 280 -> RX 570 -> What now???
@@magnus00125RX 6600?
😒👍 OEM FTW
@@magnus00125personal space heater. Or 295x2. Which is personal space heater on steroids 😂
man, we're making into retrogaming specs with this one.
seriusly, a 32 bit bus in 2022 is crazy
Adrenalin has gotten WAY better
@@Klatchan honestly I feel like people haven't been talking about this lately. I agree.
dell was shipping the RX 6300 with their SFF form factor desktops with the huge surge in work from home applications that needed something cheap and small but would handle two display ports with accelerated video decoding for zoom or other situations. the low profile was also handy for a new series of 1U server computers and modern KVMs that use DP output instead of VGA, as some specific racks do not have integrated DRAC or ILO.
the older RX 5300 was iirc used almost exclusively as an XPS mini tower add-in GPU because the XPS home office PC (a step below the optiplex but above vostro) needed to hit some lower price points and the WX 2100 and 3100 weren't available in enough numbers to hand out with the XPS with HP using the same part number combined with a higher unit price. so the XPS got the RX 5300 and the Optiplex received the WX 2100 as base line GPUs (and remember, the scalable xeon C422 and C621 lacks a integrated GPU of any kind).
if you want to get super weird and "probably not on youtube" i have a Quadro GV100 from when i did industrial CAM work. iirc it's dell branded but has PNY stickers.
servers switching away from VGA is not allowed. I refuse to let VGA die
Thought they shoveling rx 640 in there. Theres a weird dell oem version thats cut down to almost nothing.
@@ParticularSky could be, i mostly work with HPE and Nutanix gear now. there some real weird OEM cards i see in servers now, either to add KVM output or to integrate with an intelligent rack. $30k gen 10 HPE servers that have a $300 add-in card just to add VGA output type of thing (iirc it's also an AMD chip) for example.
@@chazbotic My old optiplexes had hd 7470 and a hp z workstation with a nvidia gt 230, which I didn't know was a thing till throwing it out.
@@ParticularSky had a GT330 in an HP Deskpro a long time ago, was pretty good for a slot-in GPU for airport kiosks that had to run a local DFP and simultaneously an advertising television on HDMI. most don't even know there was an nVidia 300 series.
i made it here pretty quick
The first one!
I hate how the 6300 is a "cheap display out" single slot card with 2 DP ports, where we had single slot GT710s with 4 mDP ports. And passive cooled at that.
BTW those GT710s retail for $60.
Phew I thought I was the only one looking for the 710, I have a RX 560 right now and I’m so sick of AMD right now this thing has been holding back my poor 12 core 32 GB PC for a YEAR NOW I just want a working GPU it wasn’t even USED intensely it was just a headless server 😭
@@naraydaniels7832 The 710 is a great card if all you want is display output and you don’t care about fancy stuff for high-end monitors (like DSC or 4k over 60Hz). Low power, cheap, readily available brand new, supports up to 4 DP streams…
HUGE ANIME BREASTS
32bit memory bus, say no more, moving on, into the recycling bin with it.
Should've just called it a "5200" or something.
Would gave made a good duo with the infamous GeForce FX5200 then
Maybe you'd have a better luck finding a GT 1010 lmfao
@@Russell970 honestly at this point, you may be right.
@@BudgetBin btw even the 6500 XT is worse than the 5500 XT, not only less VRAM and less PCIe lanes but also lacks a dedicated video encoder for streaming/recording, However the RX 6400 might be the only viable thing to use in an SFF PC because it's performance is acceptable and is close to an RX 570 and is probably better than an ARC 380.
@@Russell970 there is now an 8GB version of the 6500 XT but it's still 64-bit VRAM bus and I think it still lacks the encoder. And yes, I'm afraid that the RX 6400 is sadly the best SFF gaming card on the market (that isn't two slots wide and/or outrageously expensive - I'm looking at you, NVIDIA A2000 - although that was never really a "gaming" card).
For those who want decent gaming performance in the SFF form factor and DON'T want to spend over $100, you might want to consider the Quadro K1200, which, despite the K in its name is NOT Kepler but Maxwell, so it'll have driver support... for a while... and it doesn't suck; in fact, it should be considerably better than most cards in its weight class. Probably better than a GT 1030. With 4GB of 128-bit GDDR5 memory, it doesn't lack for VRAM, either. At least not at sensible settings and games that don't ask unreasonable things of it. I'm wishing I went this route but before I knew to, I went with a GTX 1050 4GB that I found at a steep discount. Still, I think I might have come out a lot cheaper with a K1200. Ah well. It's like my grandmother always said: "Live and learn. Die and forget it all."
The K1200 might be a good one to cover in a video, maybe in an appropriately-sized old Optiplex?
@@Russell970 5600xt ties the rx 6600 and sometimes beats it and the ipc of the 5700xt and a 6700 the same i modified the power tables on my 5700xt and overcl ocked to 2450mhz and got 6700 performance granted using way more power rdna 1 and rdna 2 give the same performance clock per clock but rdna 2 uses less power and clocks higher
@@josephdias5859 Nah the RX 6600 is way better than the RX 5600 XT
32 bit memory bus? Wow that's actually insulting!
instant sub in the first 50 seconds. Didn't expect a funny and well edited intro from a guy with 3,7K subs. Hope your channel takes of bro!
@@Marcus_sk_cz thanks! It means a lot. I hope to bring more entertaining content to yah!
Wow. The 6300 is way over priced. I paid $130 for the 6500 (it was on sale) and it came with a free $60 game, Dead Island II.
@@baroncalamityplus Yeah I really don't get why the price is so unexplainable high, but I think it could have just been a bad negotiated deal all around for what should have been some cheap OEM parts to be made.
@@BudgetBin Maybe though replacement part direct from Dell/hp and similar is tend to be overly expensive compared to a comparable off the shelf part especially stuff meant for business/professional computers. Not sure if any dells came with a 6500 but if you you had to get a replacement gtx 1650 or similar from dell it would probably be way more expensive than one you could get on amazon and the workstation variants would probably come with some expensive quadro equivialent instead.
I still find your style of editing and the drawing like intros funny and gets my attention. Thank you for making the specs box more readble in more recent videos as well.
I was searching for the RX 5300 and RX 6300 a while back and I can't find them on marketplaces in my country. And good thing I never bothered trying to hunt them down further since the performance is pretty lacking.
It's way easier to get the RX 5500 XT and RX 5600 XT since they're available as both used and new (new-ish/remanufactured) from Aisurix, Millsre, etc.
I found my RX 5600XT is way more powerful (performance and power usage) than what I use it for infrequent indie games and emulation. (Though having a 3 fan big GPU still looks fun in my PC.)
Honestly I think I just need an efficient GPU (or even a a CPU with a decent iGPU) that provides just enough hardware acceleration. At idle the RX 5600XT uses around 30~32 watts to around 150~180 watts under load.
@@abunk8691 thank you I try my best every video to make it fun and informative, and of course and I am glad I could make it better for you :)
It is pretty hard to find even the 5300 yeah. Honestly you are pretty on the nose, the 5500 XT is fairly easy to run into.
Love to see the aussie intro be made, it's very funny. And a great way to start the vid!
My RX 6300 was $41 shipped. I thought someone was going to outbid me. 😅
@@Rabbit_AF not too bad! Still a bit high for me. Nonetheless, I hope it serves you well.
Nice video. They really handicapped this card to the floor, when they didnt have to.
The Dell RX 6500s are floating around now, too. I picked one up and threw it in a PC I got from a thrift store for $5. It's a Steam machine now.
I have all the low end RDNA2 cards: 6300, 6400, 6500, 6500XT.
@@knifemind nice, I hope I can get them all in my possession someday.
One of these days I'm going to set up a test and compare the 6400 to the 6500. The 6400 has fewer CUs, but Dell's 6500 is clocked so low that it might actually be an interesting matchup.
How tf you can get it for 5$, was it broken?
It's so cute!
Looks like a Fury Nano!
@@user-xc3rs3qm2o the Fury Nano was a cool card!
Still rocking my Nano, I thought it was one looking at the thumbnail.
I got the rx 5500xt 8gb for $80 a year or so ago, and I feel the same way as you. these gpus are in a really weird spot performance wise, most games need tinkering/fsr to work. but for older, far cry 5, rising storm 2 or Roblox it's super solid. I even get to play blade and sorcery. overall, it kicks ass but I would only recommend it to someone who doesn't mind tinkering, definitely not 4090 levels of plug and play.
also, love your videos. they feel money realistic, i can actually go and buy this, thanks!!!🎉
@@eday244 yeah I agree pc hardware is in a weird spot right now for new stuff. Like cpus are good relatively speaking and can be cheap. But GPUs? Well, I think something needs to change soon since I feel like the entry level/mid range options are disappearing slowly.
But yeah, I am glad you enjoyed this one! I try to make it so if someone likes what they see, they can usually easily go out and get it!
I dont think it’s fair to want top-of-the-line GPU compatibility from an mid-end GPU
Glad i discovered you channel! Would love to see a 6400 review 😂
That thing is... truly HALF of the other thing. TRULY half.
@@MasticinaAkicta I can't believe I missed the opportunity to make that joke. Nice one.
just found your channel love your presentation you gained a subscriber
man i love videos like these
1:35 Costed means to plan out spending or cost.
"We costed out the campaign spending to best manage our budget."
Cost is the amount it... cost to buy something.
I'm no native English speaker so please tell me how to say the cost in the past was 200€ and now it is 100€. Because I would try to bring the verb to cost into a past form. And costed seems like it could be the correct past form.
Thank the algorithm for this nice video. please do make more.
@@thienchaiphetmadan2115 will do! :)
Its a common thing with budget electronics to kinda suck. The used market gives so much value, especially at entry level pricing. Can get you an older midrange or flagship item.
Its the same deal with phones. The very low end ones suck, and for that money you can get an older flagship or midrange device. Only thing is updates, but thats the same thing with GPUs - although in the form of drivers. I always recommend checking out the used market, especially when your budget is very tight.
I'd rather wake up in one of Jigsaws life or death puzzles then pay for that card lol
What's the music used in this video? Specifically the two songs used (starting at 0:38, and the one at 2:50)
Nice channel.
Nice video.
Nice bin.
soo many vid testing low end gpu start pop up since few month ago after i bought 3080ti secondhand. what kind of sign is this?
nice video as always
@@fnmayo thanks :) glad you enjoyed it.
Keep it up!
@@Pong_3k will do! :)
This also happened with the nvidia 220 gt, which was stronger than the 520 gt and the 720 gt. Could you test it?
I think printing the frames (like you did with the GPU) would be faster than actually rendering them with the 6300...
@@ChuwiEnjoyer you might actually be on to something.
Can you do a RX 6300 versus RDNA 2 iGPU comparison? I don’t mind you using others’ 6300 data.
11:54 EURO TRUCK SIMULATOR 2 WOHOOOOOO!
Yeah!
Why the RX6300 looks like something that were sold like in the 2000's while RX5300 looks better??
Covid market really warped the GPU scene. Gonna take a while for it get *closer* to normal.
@@ivolol I feel this too, but I also feel other marlet trends like AI are to blame for these weird prices on GPUs
Great video
@@dupond948 thanks :)
10900k is the father of 11900k
That's another anomaly. Going from 10 core to 8 core.
I had a classmate back in the day with his Radeon HD 6850 and i was still rocking a Radeon HD 5850 and he was wondering how i got more FPS in games.
I used to have a rx5500xt 4gb and in red dead 2, 1080p with mostly high and ultra settings and a few medium, i was getting 50-60 fps most of the time.
Not bad.
Yes I read these spec sheets :P
I like this
The point of such cards is to add a video output and some basic GPU instruction set support for things like video decoding.
@@TryboBike I agree, but at a price point of nearly $200 new, I feel like there are better options out there for the consumer.
@@BudgetBin Its Dell and its practices of asking $1000 for a basic 32gb of memory. Those are corporate prices. Once these start cropping up at usual places - like AliExpress or used market - they are going to cost $20.
Thing is even for that the 6300 is still problematic at times since it doesn't have any video decoding capabilities.
Nice video, you need to compare it with the 6400
@@ASMarrucate Honestly not a bad idea. I might consider that if I get my hands on one.
Yes i do read the lil graphics on the screen
Tbh these kind of cards won't exist in the future anymore because integrated graphics are getting better and better
@@dima6969 I agree, this hardware starts becoming redundant as a result
08:36 2310 Hz - Now you know that we read the specs
@@GzeeBRII you got me! I knew I was going to miss something in this video. Im glad you do read the fine print :)
I had an intel i7 7700 and a gtx 1080 and it ran cyberpunk at high settings at 70 fps, for some reason I had less fps at mid or low settings. The 1080 is from 2016...
*looks at his Vega 64* It still works. *shrug*
@@KimPossibleShockwave the Vega 64 is one heck of a card! I gotta get my hands on one someday.
@@BudgetBin I managed to scoop mine from eBay for just over £100, which is pretty good since people were asking for £160--£200 for the card on average. :]
What baffled me though is that they wanted, on average, about £300 for a Radeon VII: You might as well just get a newer card for that money.
@@KimPossibleShockwavei think some are so expensive because they work in MacOS
@@chinesepopsongs00 That'd make sense, yeah.
RGiHD mentioned
The RX 6300 was never released for retail sale. It was only sold as part of Desktop computer and it was not sold as a gaming pc. No retailer sold it.
The fact that the Rx 480 8gb is the best bang for the buck since it's release to now is wild
The wilder thing is and had to kill driver support for them
can it play DOOM?
Also thank you for the feature at 3:32!
I noticed that lol. And if you are talking about the 2016 game, for sure.
Shame that AMD went full Nvidia but made it much worst
@@AlfaPro1337 I wouldn't say quite full nvidia (yet) but they are struggling with gpu sales. I don't know. It is a difficult time for chip processing all around.
I don’t see them utilizing as much AI bs as Nvidia does
@@tezcanaslan2877 Because they have nothing.
>1:20
Yes
I would love to see the 5300 XT compared to a 6500 XT.
@@readycheddar I actually might do that if I can get my hands on both cards. Especially the 5300 XT.
I read these!
@@violetlobo892 glad to see you did :)
Subbed
@@zepplinc20 thanks :)
Really the 5300 XT and 5300 is basically an OEM's take to how to cheapen the RX 5500, with the only differences really is memory configs for Bus width and GDDR5 and GDDR6 while keeping stream processor count the same.
Still wouldn't go less than a 5600/5700XT if going used though.
yes i do read em !
FYI. The gtx 1060 was released with 3gb vram. The 6gb variant was released later.
you think that's bad I have a laptop (HP Victus) with the RX6500M and HP decided to gimp it even further by installing the gpu on a PCIe 3.0 x8 lane the performance is worse than a GTX970
is 6300 the sucressor of r5 230
Honestly would be fun to compare this to the HD 7970, apparently performance is similar, although the 7970 has 200GB/s faster vram.
1:34 Cost is the past tense of cost my guy.
G'day BB,
10:30 😂😂😂😂😂
I love RGinHD, Steve has done a great job building & continuing to provide interesting content of affordable Retro & New PC components on his channel to help those on a tight budget not buy overpriced crap
As always, its great to hear from yah Shane! And yeah, Steve makes some great content here and there. I like his simple yet fun style of videos and what he shows off.
With this pace the RX7300 will barely reach the level of my Vega 7 iGPU
@@kindzadza134 don't jinx it!
I'm new here, what's the test specs?
You mean the bench I used?
i5-9400F
16GB DDR4
Uhh, I used SSDs?
I get why you would ask though, I just felt it was unnecessary to put it in the video since the RX 5300 was going to bottleneck like crazy even on a slightly older system. But glad to see a new face none the less!
@@BudgetBin thank you for the reply.
I were curious since you got more FPS then the UA-camrs you shown but I believe it's the drivers that have been optimised since their testing.
Good video and I hope you do more.
I jave a 4070 and sometimes get that vram warning in RDR2 for somw reason.
what resolution?
i mean
isn't the 6300 just supposed to be a cheap display adapter for OEM PCs
that normally some office rat would use? in that usecase i can see it's existence having a meaning, it never was intended for gaming afterall
altho i never heard of the 5300, cool little card, maybe i'll get one aswell
@@skorpysk while that would be the case, back in the day, these office workers might have used something like the GT 710, which was $40 new. The price is heavily limiting on why you should get this card. So you would hope to expect it to be able to do a bit more for $20. But yeah, I agree the 5300 is a near little card.
@@BudgetBin no i meant like, when the company provides the PCs. or for some school PC
@@skorpysk oh you mean like including it with the PC?
@@BudgetBin yeah like OEM prebuilts, the kinda trash bin piles of eWaste that aren't supposed to be very useful, just supposed to work enough
Honestly its better to watch the sales and pick up a current gen RX7600 for $200, thats how I got mine.
@@cmdr_talikarni I agree the 7600 is a steal of a deal. It could be the next mid range budget king if it hangs around those prices.
Checked eBay Rx 6300 it's over 900 GBP lol
I can barely find any in the Americas!
lowest available down here in Australia is RX6400 & they are about 😱$275AUD😱
@@shaneeslick that's nuts. clearly something unhealthy is happening in the lowest segment. maybe that's a stunt by AMD to stop us from buying the cheapest cards and go for APUs instead? lol
when i bought my rx6400 it was "only" 120$, and i thought that's a bit more than it should be! goodness...
@@user-xe6sm4jv8f
Yes, there's something weird with RX6400 pricing. I live in Indonesia, lil bit north of Aussie. The price here is :
RX 6400 = $120 - $157
RX 6500 = $125 - $165
RX 6600 = $200
One look at the TechSpot specs sheet told me all I needed to know. I mean holy crap that’s a massive downgrade from the previous generation, what were AMD thinking?!
i would say that the RX 6300 is an RX 6400 with half the vram, and that shows if you look at the specs
@@LexyDaShmexxy I can see that yeah. I wonder how far it could be pushed if you soldered another Samsung chip on the empty spot it has on the board. It would probably be able to make good use of the lanes having it.
@@BudgetBin i have a suspicion that one COULD do that but obviously it requires skill, then we're also playing with the chances that it might flat out not work
@@LexyDaShmexxy it would have to be done very well, and then you would have to alter the BIOS to even register the RAM anyways. Might be worth it, 5 years from now? Lol
it also has lower clocks
200$ for rx 6300 is wild, i bought my rx 6600 new for 200$ lol
@@Dominik12335 Exactly. Why spend $200 on an "entry" level card when you can spend $200 on an entry-midrange card?
A 32 bit memory bus? I thought 64 bit was the bottom of the barrel. Guess not.
A 32-bit bus....no matter what kind of restraints they wanted that is absolutely an insult to whoever it's given to
i miss my rx 480
Worth pointing out that the RX 5300 is technically better than the RX 6400?
Due to memorybus and PCIe lanes?
I read those.
Jaguar vibes
@@snp1200 Atari Jaguar?
@@BudgetBin XJ220. 5:40 music.
@@snp1200 Aaaah, yeah lol I don't know how I even forgot. That game has a great OST.
You really deserve waaaaaaaaay more subscribers!!!!
@@pauloalmeida2294 thanks! I think so too :)
@@BudgetBin you are really working hard for it!
The 5300XT uses GDDR5 and has much lower bandwidth than the GDDR6 5300.
8:40 I choked laughing when I saw that the RX 6300 has a 32-bit memory bus. No this card is so awful… Seriously, why does this exist…?
You could always just, buy a thinkpad for a thinkpad to use a monitor for the thinkpad and like use LFG(Lossless Scaling) for frame generation with a capturecard on the thinkpad while the other one actually runs the game at 30 fps... So you end up with 60fps on the thinkpad that is capturing the output of the other thinkpad....
Okay, I very intentionally worded that horribly. I did an experiment using two thinkpads, a t14 and an a285. The t14 (mx450 dGPU variant) ran bg3 at 1080p low, ultra-fsr 30fps. Then using a capturecard with obs-preview and LFG(Lossless Scaling on Steam), I was able to get a buttery smooth 60fps on the a285 thinkpad. Its so dumb, but works surprisingly well.
I recently got an RX 580 8gb for 60 bucks and it could run furmark for about an hour so ill call that a win.
At that point you might as well go to the local computer recycle place and to pick out A $10 15-year-old Radeon pro card
@@mysterium364 it's funny you should mention it... well... I won't spoil it but stay tuned for my next video.
am I the only person that thinks the RX 6300 is somewhat decent? Its no powerhouse but the newer architecture does make it outperform the GT 1030. And I did need specifically a low profile single slot card. Anything with a larger heatsink wouldn't fit.
@@RoswelliVideos to a small degree, I agree. But the overall price is what makes this card not good. If it was $100 new, like the GT 1030, I honestly might have praised it, despite its numerous flaws.
Yes we read those. And there was a typo.
Honestly the actual predecessor to the RX 6300 isn't the RX 5300, it was the Radeon 540, a card so obscure it was only added to Techpowerup because I own one. They're often sold as "Radeon RX 540 1GB" or similar. Performance is similar to the Nvidia GT 1030, an extremely well known Display Adapter. It's shader configs are half of the RX 6300, and it has half the VRAM at whole 1 GB. Yes, a single Gigabyte. It's the weakest card with a Lexa GPU. Not to be confused with the Mobile Radeon 540, which is less obscure.
My Radeon 540 is currently inside of my Nearly Maxed out HP Compaq DC5800, with a Core 2 Quad Q9400, 8GB DDR2, a 500GB HDD, a 128GB SSD, the AMD Radeon 540 as mentioned, a somewhat borken DVD-RW Drive, and with some added USB 3.0 & Front USB 3 IO. It can run Minecraft, Half-life and 100% Orange juice.
This waste of a PCB that is the 6300 is basically a manufacturer's rage bait, Jesus.
Dell its selling this AMD Radeon RX 6300 for just a small price of *£236.57*
@@DanielCardei I recognize you! Love your vids! And yes, only a small small payment indeed.