One of the running jokes in this show is that Dorothy tends to be the mean one, but suprisingly in this scene, she was the nicest! I always loved Dorothy!
scottie781x yes i was gonna say dorothy was very understanding and gave good advice like when blanche had a really hard time with her brother clay being gay . Or big daddy with the yoinger woman . Dorothy was very progressive like when she had that snobby friend who woukdnt let a jewish guy come to her country club she told the woman to go to hell. I love this show bc they were so true to their characters and honestly the funniest sitcom ever . Friends and seinfeld never made me laugh aa much as this. Actually friebds was so overtated and they became silly caricatures of their parts . Probably why the cast had trouble breaking out of their roles .
Dorothy was first and foremost a teacher, so she was actually kind to people who deserved it. She was only nasty to people who, more or less, deserved it.
Tam Tam "Becky" was played by actress Shawn Schepps. Among many other roles, one of them I know of was where Shawn was the waitress in "The Terminator". She was the waitress who told her coworker "Sarah Conner" (Linda Hamilton) that it was on the news that another woman named "Sarah Conner" had been shot/killed. Shawn also played in an episode of "The Brady Bunch" in 1973, titled "Law & Disordered." Shawn played a girl named "Jill" who asked Bobby for help when her cat ran into a building that was about to be demolished.
@@tuneaddicted I read that she was a bit chunky when she did this episode, but that they did put a lot of padding on her. She would later lose a lot of weight to actually become thin.
Unlike with Dorothy, Sophia and Rose, where the maternal instinct was never far from the surface, Blanche was shown to have a strained relationship with each of her children. This fit the character as it should. Given Blanche's determination to extend the coquette and femme fatale persona she reveled in, the illusion of maintained youth those required would always be at crossed swords with the roles of mom and grandmom. Rue McClanahan caught those contradictions in a superb fashion that never lost her any audience sympathy.
Blanche was also from a privileged existence, and probably had nannies looking after her children. She apparently fell on modest times after her husband died.
What is strange about this episode is that Sophia insulted this girl constantly. But then when the boyfriend insulted her regularly, all 4 women hated him!!
+Nina Blaze I'm not sure if this has been addressed already, but was the actress really that big or was she made up to look that way for the show? I ask because her face doesn't match her body--she doesn't even have a double chin.
TeenMomTo baby.J HAHAHA Thank you so much for the spleen-rupturing laugh. I needed a good hardy laugh. Pray tell, what other absurd, silly things can you say?
I though that was funny as hell too lmao "honest people dont say hurtful things"!!! SOOOOO... the saying "truth hurts" doesnt mean anything I suppose lmao!!
@TeenMomTo baby.J thats when youre in social situations where you have to maintain certain relations. What people like you fail to understand is that the cold hard truth is necessary sometimes! Obesity is unattractive, and whats more, it is UNHEALTHY. People like you will tell a 400lbs person "beautiful in their own way". Its rediculous! Lemme tell ya, I was pretty fat a while ago and I got told the TRUTH!! Which hurt! But it made me do something about it! Im fitter, cholesterol is down and I generally feel better! But oh noooo, lets all be afraid to tell the truth, because we might hurt somebody! Rediculous..
have you actually read what I wrote? My comment about obesity was not directed at the becky character but people in general! On top of that, because people TOLD me I was fat I did something about it, so your comment about fat people turning onto food as a rule is wrong. It turns YOU onto food! Maybe you should turn that negativity into constructive positivity. Me saying fat or obese people are still beautiful isnt going to help you one bit, its just going to keep you fat but not feel bad about it! Perhaps if you found something like a life-coach to try and get motivation out of confrontation? To be clear: I dont find it necessary to walk up to a fat person and just bluntly say "youre fat" and purposely hurt their feelings. THAT is an example of being unneccesarily hurtful. BUT, suppose you ask me something in that direction, you have a good chance I would tell you you need to lose weight. However, theres ways to go about that without being rude, crude or crass. The problem is these PC-cultured people who will LIE TO YOUR FACE to avoid hurting your feelings or to come across as "sweet and considerate" people, leaving YOU overweight and basically unhappy. If you werent unhappy about it, you wouldnt turn to food to console yourself, would you? Anyway, your original comment about truth and being hurtful is nonsense. Truth hurts often, as it did me, but truth in itself is never intentionally hurtful. You see, thruth are facts, facts dont care about feelings. I would say, if you feel hurt by someone stating the fact youre fat (whether they mean it to be factual or hurtful) you should make that get you motivated to do something about it. Work out, eat less, whatever you need to do. Then, if at one point you DO succeed in losing weight, and the same person suddenly says "wow you look great"... say thanks and give em the finger. Worked for me, it might work for you ;-) anywho.. I was overweight, I'm of jewish descent AND of gypsy descent.. Trust me, I know what hurtful comments are. Its just that I dont let it rule my life and I can laugh at fat jokes and jew jokes and so on. Good luck!
since I posted this video 4 years ago I still find myself amazed how many people post comments talking about body shaming and other serious topics as if they have never watched this show. From episode 1 to finish, part of what made this show hilarious was how they insulted each other and everyone around them. they've made black jokes, gay, jokes.....fat jokes. they Slut shamed constantly and the great thing about it was that people knew when a joke was a joke and didn't take everything so serious.
Michael Griffen You are so right, Michael! These days, people become offended with just about everything. I was a teen in the 80's and this is truly the way things were. We insulted one another constantly, and everyone laughed back then, even the insulted! People now have lost their sense of humor.
Michael Griffen You are straight up! People need to laugh more! This is why I loathe reality shows! I miss humorous sitcoms with REAL actors and actresses with talent!
*Dana Vixen* Hear! Hear! I never got into so-called reality shows. I guess 'cause I could tell that there was hardly anything 'real' about them, and most of the situations were obviously scripted. Might as well write a good show with great characters (and actors), if you're just going to fictionalize, anyway.
I used to be obese, 305 pounds. I now weigh 170. I lost the weight through calorie monitoring and running 5-6 miles, 5 days a week. I can't never make fun of anyone who is obese. Because I've been there myself.
I think you already know you are obese, or overweight, and it is a daily demoralizing issue, whenever someone tell you " their honest thoughts" they don't even have to, I have always thought it is just to be mean, to feel superior or better about their own lifes. I am overweight, like 15 pounds, my sister, who exercise to death, eats nothing but grains, and keep counting calories, has more health issues than me, her teeth keep breaking, her hair keep falling, and other stuffs... I just have back pain( since 18 yo and anxiety,plus rosacea) and everytime she can, she likes to make me feel bad about myself. I just don't care what people like her thinks about me, I love myself, and I am a happy person, she isn't happy and that something I know is the reason for all of her hate toward my weight...I feel sorry for people like her.
Agree. I love the Golden Girls but I didn't like this episode. Sophia was always sassy but this was cruel. I didn't like Blanche's comments later, "I'm going to put you on a diet" and "how can you be happy, just look at yourself!" At least at the end she tells her that she deserves better than the jerk boyfriend.
Society wasn't accepting toward bigger women in the 80s and 90s. Remember the episode of Saved by the Bell when an overweight classmate bought Zack at an auction? That's just one of the many examples.
Society still isn't accepting of us. The media definitely isn't, the contempt just moves to comment boards and is buried under PC comments that occasionally let it slip out. Real acceptance doesn't come till fat is just a descriptive word. Not a loaded statement. The same goes for any group who are judged on a characteristic. What this ep shows is society and it's hang ups. Blanche's daughter has no problem with who she is but the way the girls react cleverly shows how society does. Dorothy is a lady who herself has features that are classed as not female and attractive by society. So she is more conscious and kind. The most interesting and not shown here dynamic. Is between Blanche and her daughter. Women like Blanche for whom looks are everything. Often she their daughters as extention to them or as competion. In a deep seated way. When the daughter is more socially attractive than the mother it is both a pride and sometimes a reason for jealousy to a certain extent by mother's like Blanche. However if the daughter is deemed not attractive by society rules especially if it is because of their weight them mothers like Blanche feel it's a poor reflection on them. So it would be interesting to see the mother daughter interaction. The treatment of an individual based on just a physical aspect turns them into a cartoon style character void of depth feelings, personality and a soul. I'd like to hope being a savy show as the GG's were they used this ep to address and redress this issue and show Blanche's daughter as a living, breathing worth while complex human being worth far more than her outer body mass. It was the 80's though.
Joshua Hot Sauce Swain obese people are still people and deserve respect. I may feel that a drug addict or a criminal may be immoral, but that doesn’t give me the right to verbally abuse them. Obese women are already being “punished;” they don’t receive as much positive attention, statistically, they are paid less than their slimmer counterparts, and their health might be at risk. The best way to change the situation is positive encouragement, like including them as friends at healthy meals and sports activities.
Its not like being fat should be acceptable since by that it means you’ll accept early death and body diseases this world keeps on getting dumber by every minute
@froggy8030, the rest of the episode did just that. Becky wasn’t as accepting of her weight she appeared to be and allowed herself to end up with a boyfriend who constantly openly made fun of her, put her down and treat her like shit and she believed she now couldn’t do any better than him.
When people complain about social justice warriors and political correctness they honestly don't know how hard life was socially for certain groups here in America. Fat shaming was very popular, and overweight women especially were often meanly bullied, so I am glad that our country pushes back on such hurtful people now.
Absolutely. Fatshaming is verbal abuse and bullying. Thank goodness body diversity is represented more in social media and Hollywood in the 21st century.
@@achaudhari101 "being unhealthy is bad" is over simplistic, condescending and makes the gross assumption that a person is a) unhealthy b) that their weight is a result of life choices rather than disorders like lipoedema that affects ten per cent of women and c) that anyone's body is any of your business. Bullying people with unsolicited and ignorant advice is "bad" as is any gratuitous comment on anyone's appearance.
@@achaudhari101 I mean, it's rude to walk up to someone who is drinking and list all of the health risks and then imply that drinking makes you ugly and undeserving of basic respect. So yes, it's still shaming even if you think that person is unhealthy.
I don't get it - they're all carrying on as if Blanche's daughter was going to arrive looking like a total freak! She's quite a pretty girl, a little big, but still very pretty.
I hated Jeremy and he was such a jack ass, always making Becky feel bad in front the roommates and Blanche had every right to be angry and I am glad Becky left Jeremy and came to her senses and Blanche & Becky had a good mother & daughter relationship! There are a lot of men like Jeremy out there.
@Logia SD Agreed, but storywise, Rose is characterized to be naive like a child and Sophia just says whatever comes to her mind after her stroke. They didn´t say those things to be mean and throughout the series all the characters say many things that would be terrible things to say in real life. But in this scene Dorothy - who is the smart one - and her reactions show us that these kind of comments are not considered to be something appropriate.
They should have kept Shawn Schepps as Blanche's daughter. Even though she was larger than the other actress, she looks more like she could be Rue McClanahan's actual daughter.
They changed actresses because Becky was scripted to have a baby by artificial insemination. The idea was that she had to be thin in order to do this. It was also strange how her former obesity was never mentioned in the dialogue.
From a standpoint of a heavy person, when I I was in high school I had a few extra pounds and was teased mercilessly every day. Fat girl this fat girl that, sounds of mooing followed me through the hallways. I was new at the school so they didn't know me or my store, they didn't know (or care) about health problems that lead to my weight. They didn't know that just the year before my sister died right in front of me. After being hospitalized half a year I dropped out. The really messed up part was there were even larger girls than me but because they were part of the in crowd they were left alone. Thus I'm a little sick of fat jokes
@@actuallyNo... and people can learn to be a little compassionate. I can tell from your comments that you're one of the mean ones. Why don't you just keep your comments to yourself and bugger off?
This scene never ceases to remind me how much once upon a time fat shaming was considered funny and acceptable. It’s not and it never was. At the time, the writers were making it seem like Becky was the problem. She wasn’t.
I'll bet you're the type a person that thinks it's gross when people get hammered on liquor or wine, or would call someone a sl UT who you saw in the doctor office getting tested because they'd just slept with a different guy every day a the week. Lolol. Excess is bad, period. It doesn't matter the form. You don't have to be ugly to people outright, but you should not be "celebrating" someone who's over weight or obese. You can celebrate them as a person but not their actions of excess, and that's exactly what your comment implies that you're okay with doing. Yet as I said, you most likely find other forms of excess disgusting. I bet if you saw a person who just would not eat and was skinny, you would be appalled, grossed out. And wo.der what was wrong with them. Think about it.
@@johnathonmarquez7676 Nah. Sense of humour changes depending on context. It's the reason why lines like the ones coming out of Archie Bunker wouldn't be written today
It sucks ...im heavy and was cracking up.....I wish ppl who r easily offended would just stop watching tv so the rest of the world can enjoy life again lol
I have a well-endowed body, and I’ve battled weight struggles ever since the third grade, but I have to admit that I laugh so hard I weep when I see this clip 😂 clearly in real life these weight jokes are NOT socially acceptable, but these golden girls come from a generation where thin was all the rage; so plus size may be a foreign concept to these old timers. I currently have an enlarged thyroid that has sapped my body’s metabolism, but I also have a friend that I regularly discuss weight watchers goals with so that whatever my size and health conditions, I’m sticking to my goals of eating a well-balanced diet and getting physically active. When I do that, I feel great about myself and ready to take on the day 👍
Wow!! This crosses the line between wit and intense rudeness. I lived back then... and sadly, we saw this as normal. Sometimes, I think society has gone too far with the political correctness. But this? This is a slap in the face that thankfully we don't live with as much any more. THANKFULLY!
Sophia was just being Sophia. They're used to her acting like that so there's really no point in them telling her to stop. Even she was against the mean boyfriend and realized there's a time and place for jokes/her comments.
bill bixby no. Uh he can help it. He did it to be cruel. Rose did it because she’s an air head and doesn’t know better. There is a difference between being naive and being abusive to get sick pleasure out of it.
bill bixby actually the difference between the two is more than quite clear: Rose made ONE comment “We just didn’t expect you to be this fat!” Meaning, we didn’t expect you to look the way you look, not realizing what she said was not the best way to phrase it. Jeremy made CONSTANT MANY REPEATED “jokes” to the point that Sophia, Rose, Dorothy, and Rose didn’t like him. Dorothy even told Blanche in the kitchen he was being downright cruel! How about at the end when he was angry and in a hurry and rushing Becky even insulting the ladies by calling their home, “Sunny Brook Farm”. If by in his nature you mean, “abusive Jack ass” then yes, u are correct.....ON JEREMY. Rose, being Rose, didn’t mean it the way it sounded and Becky knew that, hence why she told Blanche she still had her sense of humor. I mean we are talking about a woman who thought a dick cake was in the shape of Florida! Let’s say, for arguments sake that you are correct....one doesn’t make repeated jokes in front of someone you just met especially if that someone is the targets Mother! No, Jeremy was being abusive, verbally.
bill bixby clearly you know nothing about psychology. Yes, all abusers get some sort of satisfaction out of hurting others. Lol regardless, he has no excuse. Sophia had a stroke and just says what she thinks. Rose is from Saint Olaf.....a place where they argue over cheese and macaroni or macaroni and cheese! Lmao! Get the fuck outta here troll. Ur just embarrassing urself kid. But it’s okay baby....I’m a pray for you.
The weird thing about this episode is Becky is so beautiful, by anyone's standard, and she's not that big; in most cultures Becky would be considered a total bombshell.
There was a particular episode of "The Brady Bunch" sitcom (it aired in 1973) where a little girl approached Bobby walking home from school one day, and she begged him to help her get her cat out of an old abandoned house that was going to be torn down. The little girl in *that* episode of "The Brady Bunch" is the same one as "Rebecca" in *this* episode of the Golden Girls. Her name is "Shawn Schepps", & she was gorgeous.
I have dealt with obesity for many years and always felt very disappointed in myself after I would go buy chips or sweets on impulse and eat them as soon as I got home . Its not easy to get a weight loss diet started and stick with it but I have lost 20 lbs so far . I don't like Sofia at all in this clip and Blanche's daughter is not having a natural reaction to the cruel things being said in front of her face . I probably would have told Sofia to drop dead
This seems over the top for Sophia's fat remarks, and even more so with Rose's comment about them not expecting Beckie to be so fat, despite each character being rude and dumb respectively. Only Dorothy is the tactful one here.
True...but the WRITERS could control what cames out of the characters mouth. Sophia's initial reaction shot when she opened the door, the comment about modeling car covers,followed by Rose naive but blunt "we weren't expecting you to be so fat" was enough. imo, the fat joke pile on, especially right to the character's face was just cruel and unnecessary.
Brian Johnson I agree. Once she asked Becky where she found jeans that size it just stopped being funny. Even after losing 100 lbs and watching it again.
On a Brady Bunch episode, she played the little girl who asked Bobby to rescue her cat from an abandoned house. The episode where Bobby played a big shot hall monitor.
Something I didnt know until now, Rebecca was in the first Terminator. She's the waitress who works with Sarah and tells her "look at it this way, in a hundred years who's gonna care?".
Jessie 992 Tbh I can sorta understand when something is obviously meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but this "omg people weren't offended and now they are" attitude is more annoying than the apparent "offended ones".
People say that this Golden Girls episode was one of the most insensitive what with the sarcastic fat jokes and all. But the actress herself has stated on Twitter that she was merely wearing a fat suit for this. So, really she wasn't taking the brunt of the demeaning jokes at all. As a matter of fact she spoke highly of the fellow actors.....
I am NOT one of those offended minded people, and in fact, I like most jokes that others would find offensive. This episode WAS funny. With that said, the counterargument could be the fact that because they hired a thinner actress wearing a fat suit, that only made the episode even more insensitive. Whatever.
I grew up watching reruns and it never ceases to make me laugh. Its shocking though because no show now a days would get away with all the jokes they made.
Rebecca (Becky): Hi! Sophia: Your Blanche's daughter the model. She turns around with a clueless look on her face and asked "What did she model, car covers?" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I honestly don't understand how Blanche takes this so well. If somebody said those sorts of things about my daughter in front of my face, I'd be way angrier than Dorothy.
One of the running jokes in this show is that Dorothy tends to be the mean one, but suprisingly in this scene, she was the nicest! I always loved Dorothy!
scottie781x She's usually not actively cruel, just doesn't like BS. She's shown to be very progressive throughout the series.
scottie781x yes i was gonna say dorothy was very understanding and gave good advice like when blanche had a really hard time with her brother clay being gay . Or big daddy with the yoinger woman . Dorothy was very progressive like when she had that snobby friend who woukdnt let a jewish guy come to her country club she told the woman to go to hell. I love this show bc they were so true to their characters and honestly the funniest sitcom ever . Friends and seinfeld never made me laugh aa much as this. Actually friebds was so overtated and they became silly caricatures of their parts . Probably why the cast had trouble breaking out of their roles .
Dorothy was first and foremost a teacher, so she was actually kind to people who deserved it. She was only nasty to people who, more or less, deserved it.
Dorothy was never meant to be cruel. She's always the mature one.
Meanest, are you kidding. Dorothy was the brunt of the meanest jokes about her physical appearance.
That look, when Sophia turns around and waits for the audience to die down...is priceless!
"what did she model, car covers?"
Such acting
That had me cracking up
Lol
It went down hill from their
Sophia is so blunt and rose so naive that they are just cruel without even noticing it
Nah sophia is cruel on purpose
@@hinatapatata8499 lol. They claim it's the stroke.
They say that a stroke left her saying what’s on her mind
Scripting--in real life, none of them were mean or naive.
@@hinatapatata8499 She is. She got even worse throughout the series and on the Golden Palace, she really got rotten.
Sofia was ripping the poor girl from start til finish lmao evil
+Femboi the Cleric You've never met an Italian grandmother have you? haha
@@chrisd2051 i think it is common sense Not italian 👍
Wait till you see the "boyfriend"
Mya Mya 🖕🏻
Well moreover in the first episode it was shown that Sofia has a "Brain issue that makes her unable to filter what she says"
The way she said "mama" to Blanche... 💔
😢
I know that tone. Sincerity, longing, and desperation all in one. No one but one's Mama could ever elicit such a response.
She’s very sweet, no matter her weight.
@@desertrose1226 She was wearing a 'fat suit' in that episode. Yes, she was so sweet and absolutely gorgeous, _too._ 🙂
I love how Rebecca simply acts oblivious and ignorant to Sophia's remarks. Sophia is old so she can get away with it! Lol 😂
No, she's too nice to retaliate
She's used to it. Poor girl
Fat people just had to grin and bear it back in those days. It was seriously ruthless towards fat ppl back then.
Some things are not worth responding to.
@@AshleyNicole-ct7gh it was her fiance I believe. He was a butthole.
the woman playing Becky is SO CUTE and i love love love her accent!
Really? I think it sounded very fake.
Tam Tam "Becky" was played by actress Shawn Schepps. Among many other roles, one of them I know of was where Shawn was the waitress in "The Terminator". She was the waitress who told her coworker "Sarah Conner" (Linda Hamilton) that it was on the news that another woman named "Sarah Conner" had been shot/killed.
Shawn also played in an episode of "The Brady Bunch" in 1973, titled "Law & Disordered." Shawn played a girl named "Jill" who asked Bobby for help when her cat ran into a building that was about to be demolished.
She's gorgeous, I often wondered if they had a fat suit on her
I wish they kept her instead of changing actresses…..
@@tuneaddicted I read that she was a bit chunky when she did this episode, but that they did put a lot of padding on her. She would later lose a lot of weight to actually become thin.
Unlike with Dorothy, Sophia and Rose, where the maternal instinct was never far from the surface, Blanche was shown to have a strained relationship with each of her children. This fit the character as it should. Given Blanche's determination to extend the coquette and femme fatale persona she reveled in, the illusion of maintained youth those required would always be at crossed swords with the roles of mom and grandmom. Rue McClanahan caught those contradictions in a superb fashion that never lost her any audience sympathy.
+Dave dvlaries Great analysis!
I like this, such dynamic expeessove charecters
Blanche was also from a privileged existence, and probably had nannies looking after her children. She apparently fell on modest times after her husband died.
That was expertly put. Rue was an outstanding actress.
Rue was amazing, thanks for the comment
What is strange about this episode is that Sophia insulted this girl constantly. But then when the boyfriend insulted her regularly, all 4 women hated him!!
That's a good point
Sophia had had a stroke and she lost her filter to be socially adept. This was explained in the first episode.
Sophia was a smartass and sarcastic. The boyfriend was just a plain jerk and a jackass. That actor went on to "Murphy Brown" a few years later.
Blanches daughter wasn’t marrying Sophia
@@mynameisnotimportant2854 so?
Becky actually was gorgeous. She was just heavy set.
+Nina Blaze I'm not sure if this has been addressed already, but was the actress really that big or was she made up to look that way for the show? I ask because her face doesn't match her body--she doesn't even have a double chin.
lonelyheroine
She has a small one.
There aren't many photos of Shawn Schepps online, but from what I can tell, she wasn't that large. Nowadays, however, she's closer to Becky's size.
They would barely be able to crack that joke today . Sad PC
yea, heavy set thats it,,,,,, typical American processed food eating response
Actress had to be pretty thick skinned to do this part.
Most actors in Hollywood are just excited to get a role, no matter what.
Well, not really. This is a thin. Actress in a fat suit
Thick skinned, my ass. She was paid to play that role and all the dialogue that went with it.
Yeah, you can tell because her neck and wrists are very small in comparison.
All actors are thick skinned
I’ve always been quite heavy, but I absolutely lost it at “we just didn’t expect you to be so fat” 🤣🤣
My mom was treated like that by her mother. Nothing was ever good enough for her. That shit got old real fast.
Sophia was just plain mean to that damn girl. 😂😂✌
Mean? Or just bluntly honest?
TeenMomTo baby.J HAHAHA Thank you so much for the spleen-rupturing laugh. I needed a good hardy laugh. Pray tell, what other absurd, silly things can you say?
I though that was funny as hell too lmao "honest people dont say hurtful things"!!! SOOOOO... the saying "truth hurts" doesnt mean anything I suppose lmao!!
@TeenMomTo baby.J thats when youre in social situations where you have to maintain certain relations.
What people like you fail to understand is that the cold hard truth is necessary sometimes!
Obesity is unattractive, and whats more, it is UNHEALTHY. People like you will tell a 400lbs person "beautiful in their own way". Its rediculous! Lemme tell ya, I was pretty fat a while ago and I got told the TRUTH!! Which hurt! But it made me do something about it! Im fitter, cholesterol is down and I generally feel better!
But oh noooo, lets all be afraid to tell the truth, because we might hurt somebody!
Rediculous..
have you actually read what I wrote? My comment about obesity was not directed at the becky character but people in general!
On top of that, because people TOLD me I was fat I did something about it, so your comment about fat people turning onto food as a rule is wrong. It turns YOU onto food! Maybe you should turn that negativity into constructive positivity.
Me saying fat or obese people are still beautiful isnt going to help you one bit, its just going to keep you fat but not feel bad about it!
Perhaps if you found something like a life-coach to try and get motivation out of confrontation?
To be clear: I dont find it necessary to walk up to a fat person and just bluntly say "youre fat" and purposely hurt their feelings. THAT is an example of being unneccesarily hurtful. BUT, suppose you ask me something in that direction, you have a good chance I would tell you you need to lose weight. However, theres ways to go about that without being rude, crude or crass. The problem is these PC-cultured people who will LIE TO YOUR FACE to avoid hurting your feelings or to come across as "sweet and considerate" people, leaving YOU overweight and basically unhappy. If you werent unhappy about it, you wouldnt turn to food to console yourself, would you?
Anyway, your original comment about truth and being hurtful is nonsense. Truth hurts often, as it did me, but truth in itself is never intentionally hurtful. You see, thruth are facts, facts dont care about feelings.
I would say, if you feel hurt by someone stating the fact youre fat (whether they mean it to be factual or hurtful) you should make that get you motivated to do something about it. Work out, eat less, whatever you need to do. Then, if at one point you DO succeed in losing weight, and the same person suddenly says "wow you look great"... say thanks and give em the finger.
Worked for me, it might work for you ;-)
anywho.. I was overweight, I'm of jewish descent AND of gypsy descent.. Trust me, I know what hurtful comments are. Its just that I dont let it rule my life and I can laugh at fat jokes and jew jokes and so on.
Good luck!
"My enormous happiness" 😂😂😂😂
Taking a big weight as a compliment
since I posted this video 4 years ago I still find myself amazed how many people post comments talking about body shaming and other serious topics as if they have never watched this show. From episode 1 to finish, part of what made this show hilarious was how they insulted each other and everyone around them. they've made black jokes, gay, jokes.....fat jokes. they Slut shamed constantly and the great thing about it was that people knew when a joke was a joke and didn't take everything so serious.
Good to see some sanity. The moment I saw this clip in my recommended, I feared what I'd see in the comments.
Michael Griffen
You are so right, Michael!
These days, people become offended with just about everything. I was a teen in the 80's and this is truly the way things were. We insulted one another constantly, and everyone laughed back then, even the insulted! People now have lost their sense of humor.
LocksAndChains
I didn't fear anything, considering I knew the comments would be full of the "omg today's society is so PC" crowd
Michael Griffen You are straight up! People need to laugh more! This is why I loathe reality shows! I miss humorous sitcoms with REAL actors and actresses with talent!
*Dana Vixen* Hear! Hear! I never got into so-called reality shows. I guess 'cause I could tell that there was hardly anything 'real' about them, and most of the situations were obviously scripted. Might as well write a good show with great characters (and actors), if you're just going to fictionalize, anyway.
I think Becky is absolutely stunning!!
The real atrocity about Becky is that god awful jacket.
That was the in thing back in the day!
Frosted denim was very popular back then.
😂 it was the 80s
It was the 80s
Dude no, its cool af
I used to be obese, 305 pounds. I now weigh 170. I lost the weight through calorie monitoring and running 5-6 miles, 5 days a week.
I can't never make fun of anyone who is obese. Because I've been there myself.
That's awesome, congratulations. I need to lose mine. It's been a battle for 30 years. I commend people who accomplish weight loss.
Same here. I was 298 at the beginning of the year. Now in 196. My goal weight is 170. I still have a ways to go but I'm getting there.
@@hannamclendon2843 Congratulations, Hannah. That is amazing!!
I think you already know you are obese, or overweight, and it is a daily demoralizing issue, whenever someone tell you " their honest thoughts" they don't even have to, I have always thought it is just to be mean, to feel superior or better about their own lifes.
I am overweight, like 15 pounds, my sister, who exercise to death, eats nothing but grains, and keep counting calories, has more health issues than me, her teeth keep breaking, her hair keep falling, and other stuffs... I just have back pain( since 18 yo and anxiety,plus rosacea) and everytime she can, she likes to make me feel bad about myself.
I just don't care what people like her thinks about me, I love myself, and I am a happy person, she isn't happy and that something I know is the reason for all of her hate toward my weight...I feel sorry for people like her.
Agree. I love the Golden Girls but I didn't like this episode. Sophia was always sassy but this was cruel. I didn't like Blanche's comments later, "I'm going to put you on a diet" and "how can you be happy, just look at yourself!" At least at the end she tells her that she deserves better than the jerk boyfriend.
I can’t even be offended by Sophia because the jokes were so well written
It was the 80s. People didn't get easily offended then.
Everyone's picking on Becky for her size, but nobody says anything about wearing that much acid-wash denim?
It's better than some of the trash they wear today...
Hey it was the 90s! Give us a break.
@@EB-gt1pq 80s actually
@@EB-gt1pq 80s lol
It was very trendy in the 80s. It fits with her character being a model.
I normally don't like fat jokes but Rose's "it's just that we didn't expect you to be this fat" line was epic. =P
It kinda worked with Rose's personality but Sophia was just being a little bitch.
And Dorothy’s “yes we-“ turns to give rose the “I’m gonna kill u” look Lmao 😂
@@ultraboombean lol remember the character of Sophia had a stroke and one of the side effects is no filter, she literally can’t help herself lol
Yes, Rose's character behaves from a naive sort of perspective.
I love how she says it in a genuinely innocent way!🤣
I'm sorry....I have to say this. Becky is BEAUTIFUL.
Why do you have to say "sorry"? Bc fat girls can't be beautiful?
@Kefou Kefak That's not horrible. Everybody has their tastes. I'm not even into women, but I think she's pretty enough.
@@stacythomas7162 One of David Hasselhoff's daughters is a plus size model. Very good looking girl.
@@02chevyguy the model Kelly Brook is a plus size now and still looks beautiful.
When Blanche went out with Ham lushbaugh the bald overweight guy, do you also find him beautiful??? Or are you just a pc leftist sexist dick?
Society wasn't accepting toward bigger women in the 80s and 90s.
Remember the episode of Saved by the Bell when an overweight classmate bought Zack at an auction? That's just one of the many examples.
Society still isn't accepting of us. The media definitely isn't, the contempt just moves to comment boards and is buried under PC comments that occasionally let it slip out. Real acceptance doesn't come till fat is just a descriptive word. Not a loaded statement. The same goes for any group who are judged on a characteristic. What this ep shows is society and it's hang ups. Blanche's daughter has no problem with who she is but the way the girls react cleverly shows how society does. Dorothy is a lady who herself has features that are classed as not female and attractive by society. So she is more conscious and kind. The most interesting and not shown here dynamic. Is between Blanche and her daughter. Women like Blanche for whom looks are everything. Often she their daughters as extention to them or as competion. In a deep seated way. When the daughter is more socially attractive than the mother it is both a pride and sometimes a reason for jealousy to a certain extent by mother's like Blanche. However if the daughter is deemed not attractive by society rules especially if it is because of their weight them mothers like Blanche feel it's a poor reflection on them. So it would be interesting to see the mother daughter interaction. The treatment of an individual based on just a physical aspect turns them into a cartoon style character void of depth feelings, personality and a soul. I'd like to hope being a savy show as the GG's were they used this ep to address and redress this issue and show Blanche's daughter as a living, breathing worth while complex human being worth far more than her outer body mass. It was the 80's though.
Joshua Hot Sauce Swain obese people are still people and deserve respect. I may feel that a drug addict or a criminal may be immoral, but that doesn’t give me the right to verbally abuse them. Obese women are already being “punished;” they don’t receive as much positive attention, statistically, they are paid less than their slimmer counterparts, and their health might be at risk. The best way to change the situation is positive encouragement, like including them as friends at healthy meals and sports activities.
Its not like being fat should be acceptable since by that it means you’ll accept early death and body diseases this world keeps on getting dumber by every minute
And the staving episode with poor dj on full house aw lol
@froggy8030, the rest of the episode did just that. Becky wasn’t as accepting of her weight she appeared to be and allowed herself to end up with a boyfriend who constantly openly made fun of her, put her down and treat her like shit and she believed she now couldn’t do any better than him.
When people complain about social justice warriors and political correctness they honestly don't know how hard life was socially for certain groups here in America. Fat shaming was very popular, and overweight women especially were often meanly bullied, so I am glad that our country pushes back on such hurtful people now.
Beautifully said
Absolutely. Fatshaming is verbal abuse and bullying. Thank goodness body diversity is represented more in social media and Hollywood in the 21st century.
Is it fat shaming if being unhealthy is bad?
@@achaudhari101 "being unhealthy is bad" is over simplistic, condescending and makes the gross assumption that a person is a) unhealthy b) that their weight is a result of life choices rather than disorders like lipoedema that affects ten per cent of women and c) that anyone's body is any of your business. Bullying people with unsolicited and ignorant advice is "bad" as is any gratuitous comment on anyone's appearance.
@@achaudhari101 I mean, it's rude to walk up to someone who is drinking and list all of the health risks and then imply that drinking makes you ugly and undeserving of basic respect. So yes, it's still shaming even if you think that person is unhealthy.
In this one Dorothy had the most sense out of all of them - its disgusting how shallow the other characters are.
"What did she model, car covers?" My favorite line.
I know! it cracks me up
The things out of Sophia's mouth. LOL!!
I died!
😆😂🤣😆😆😂🤣😆
In Spain it was translated as: "What did she model, astronaut suits?" :-P
I know it's mean, but damn Sofia was on fire, funny as hell.
Jacob Rivera true dat
Yeah, but when isn't she? She spits hot fire
She was rude as hell, this show would never air today
James Rivera Spot on ! I was on the floor laughing :)
James Rivera after reading through the comments this one is the best!
Blanche: "Let me get a look at you."
Sofia: "This could take several hours."
BUUUUURN!!! xD
I don't get it - they're all carrying on as if Blanche's daughter was going to arrive looking like a total freak! She's quite a pretty girl, a little big, but still very pretty.
Yeah she's pretty! A little though? Jk, jk! I'm a joker!
Blanche said she was a model.in Paris.
They were expecting a model, with a stunning body
That was incredibly fat for the time. Modern obesity is very recent.
I kind of hate Blanche and Sophia in that scene though, I love Dorothy here.
I hated Jeremy and he was such a jack ass, always making Becky feel bad in front the roommates and Blanche had every right to be angry and I am glad Becky left Jeremy and came to her senses and Blanche & Becky had a good mother & daughter
relationship! There are a lot of men like Jeremy out there.
@Logia SD Agreed, but storywise, Rose is characterized to be naive like a child and Sophia just says whatever comes to her mind after her stroke. They didn´t say those things to be mean and throughout the series all the characters say many things that would be terrible things to say in real life. But in this scene Dorothy - who is the smart one - and her reactions show us that these kind of comments are not considered to be something appropriate.
@Logia SD Agreed, but I don´t think that in their comment Angel was trying to make this to be some kind of "men vs women" issue.
They should have kept Shawn Schepps as Blanche's daughter. Even though she was larger than the other actress, she looks more like she could be Rue McClanahan's actual daughter.
They changed actresses because Becky was scripted to have a baby by artificial insemination. The idea was that she had to be thin in order to do this. It was also strange how her former obesity was never mentioned in the dialogue.
I liked Becky #2! She came back like 3 times. But Becky #1 was cool even Played Sarah Conners co worker in The Terminator!
I like her better too
The second Becky looked more like she could have been Blanche's daughter.
Daughter has prettiest face in the room! I remember this episode...
Anyone who has a problem with fat jokes, NEVER watch ''Married With Children!''
From a standpoint of a heavy person, when I I was in high school I had a few extra pounds and was teased mercilessly every day. Fat girl this fat girl that, sounds of mooing followed me through the hallways. I was new at the school so they didn't know me or my store, they didn't know (or care) about health problems that lead to my weight. They didn't know that just the year before my sister died right in front of me. After being hospitalized half a year I dropped out. The really messed up part was there were even larger girls than me but because they were part of the in crowd they were left alone. Thus I'm a little sick of fat jokes
Everyone gets teased for one thing or the other. That's life.
@@actuallyNo... and people can learn to be a little compassionate. I can tell from your comments that you're one of the mean ones. Why don't you just keep your comments to yourself and bugger off?
@@shaynajewell8225 , right... lmao. How insightful. 👏 👏
Smh.
Sending you love, Christy❤
I'm sorry you went through this and I hope people with learn to empathise more after reading your post x I'm so sorry about your sister
She may have been heavy but you could tell she was stunningly beautiful
This scene never ceases to remind me how much once upon a time fat shaming was considered funny and acceptable. It’s not and it never was. At the time, the writers were making it seem like Becky was the problem. She wasn’t.
She wasn't the problem. She was very sweet. It was her weight that was the problem and her inability to keep her píeh0le closed
It's still funny. It's still pretty acceptable too.
I'll bet you're the type a person that thinks it's gross when people get hammered on liquor or wine, or would call someone a sl UT who you saw in the doctor office getting tested because they'd just slept with a different guy every day a the week.
Lolol.
Excess is bad, period. It doesn't matter the form. You don't have to be ugly to people outright, but you should not be "celebrating" someone who's over weight or obese. You can celebrate them as a person but not their actions of excess, and that's exactly what your comment implies that you're okay with doing. Yet as I said, you most likely find other forms of excess disgusting. I bet if you saw a person who just would not eat and was skinny, you would be appalled, grossed out. And wo.der what was wrong with them.
Think about it.
did we watch the same movie ended with becky standing up 4 herself
people still think that way but are trying to stop it
She's real pretty though
It's funny how that small warthog has the nerve to shame anyone about their looks.
Becky is just so darling, they picked a great actress.
She is a beautiful girl.
She is pretty ^^
BxGirl Blazin' she is extremely pretty
shes beautiful. why oh why must we be stuck thin it fucking sucks
She's beautiful, still fat though.
@Jammy joe
And? Pretty and Fat are not antonyms.
This would not be written today...
thank goodness, this is just plain wrong.
Yea bc people r not as ignorant
Yeah because people are too sensitive
@@johnathonmarquez7676 Nah. Sense of humour changes depending on context. It's the reason why lines like the ones coming out of Archie Bunker wouldn't be written today
It sucks ...im heavy and was cracking up.....I wish ppl who r easily offended would just stop watching tv so the rest of the world can enjoy life again lol
why does Sophia remind me of Judge Judy! !!
Brooklyn New York Jewish sharp ladies telling it like it is. And their awesome one liners
They are both mean
@@Zanderthegrape LOL Sofia is Italian from Sicily
Butterbean McGee Oh yes I know but Estelle Getty is from there.
Jane Doe ~ Estelle Getty, the woman that plays Sophia, is actually Jewish.
I have a well-endowed body, and I’ve battled weight struggles ever since the third grade, but I have to admit that I laugh so hard I weep when I see this clip 😂 clearly in real life these weight jokes are NOT socially acceptable, but these golden girls come from a generation where thin was all the rage; so plus size may be a foreign concept to these old timers.
I currently have an enlarged thyroid that has sapped my body’s metabolism, but I also have a friend that I regularly discuss weight watchers goals with so that whatever my size and health conditions, I’m sticking to my goals of eating a well-balanced diet and getting physically active. When I do that, I feel great about myself and ready to take on the day 👍
As usual Dorothy always takes the high road 👍
I don’t think Sophia was funny at all in this episode. Blanche was so happy to just have her back in her life and loved her unconditionally.
"It's just that we didn't expect you to be so fat."
I love Rose. 😍
Wow!! This crosses the line between wit and intense rudeness. I lived back then... and sadly, we saw this as normal. Sometimes, I think society has gone too far with the political correctness. But this? This is a slap in the face that thankfully we don't live with as much any more. THANKFULLY!
Absolutely loved Blanche's outfit here.
"What did she model? Car covers?"
Sophia kills me.
Now almost everyone looks like Blanche's daughter.
And they have a myriad of options.
A win-win.
Love how Sophia got away with being mean to Becky but they got mad at Jermey for being the same way
Sophia was just being Sophia. They're used to her acting like that so there's really no point in them telling her to stop. Even she was against the mean boyfriend and realized there's a time and place for jokes/her comments.
Women.
Sophia and Rose with the fat jokes lmao!!!
I think Rose didn't mean what she said in a mean way.
bill bixby no the difference is rose is slow she didn’t think that what she said would be insulting lol
bill bixby no. Uh he can help it. He did it to be cruel. Rose did it because she’s an air head and doesn’t know better. There is a difference between being naive and being abusive to get sick pleasure out of it.
bill bixby actually the difference between the two is more than quite clear:
Rose made ONE comment “We just didn’t expect you to be this fat!” Meaning, we didn’t expect you to look the way you look, not realizing what she said was not the best way to phrase it.
Jeremy made CONSTANT MANY REPEATED “jokes” to the point that Sophia, Rose, Dorothy, and Rose didn’t like him. Dorothy even told Blanche in the kitchen he was being downright cruel! How about at the end when he was angry and in a hurry and rushing Becky even insulting the ladies by calling their home, “Sunny Brook Farm”. If by in his nature you mean, “abusive Jack ass” then yes, u are correct.....ON JEREMY. Rose, being Rose, didn’t mean it the way it sounded and Becky knew that, hence why she told Blanche she still had her sense of humor. I mean we are talking about a woman who thought a dick cake was in the shape of Florida!
Let’s say, for arguments sake that you are correct....one doesn’t make repeated jokes in front of someone you just met especially if that someone is the targets Mother!
No, Jeremy was being abusive, verbally.
bill bixby clearly you know nothing about psychology. Yes, all abusers get some sort of satisfaction out of hurting others. Lol regardless, he has no excuse. Sophia had a stroke and just says what she thinks. Rose is from Saint Olaf.....a place where they argue over cheese and macaroni or macaroni and cheese! Lmao! Get the fuck outta here troll. Ur just embarrassing urself kid. But it’s okay baby....I’m a pray for you.
The weird thing about this episode is Becky is so beautiful, by anyone's standard, and she's not that big; in most cultures Becky would be considered a total bombshell.
+Rhaegar Targaryen I blame the 80s style and cut of her clothes.
kefou kefak
True, but those clothes are awful.
kefou kefak
Might as well wear a pillow case
. . . "In most cultures"? Yes, she does have a pretty face, but she's at LEAST a size 22.
Yeah she actually looks pretty
I wish they kept this Becky instead of the other one, they could have done some storylines with her.
DePiagetfan always swapping the Beckys’. Lol. Rosanne anyone?
There was a particular episode of "The Brady Bunch" sitcom (it aired in 1973) where a little girl approached Bobby walking home from school one day, and she begged him to help her get her cat out of an old abandoned house that was going to be torn down. The little girl in *that* episode of "The Brady Bunch" is the same one as "Rebecca" in *this* episode of the Golden Girls. Her name is "Shawn Schepps", & she was gorgeous.
In the golden days (pun intended) when one could still make fat-jokes....this was funny.
The look on Sophia's face after she ask if she was Blanche's daughter the model.....😆 😂 😆 😂 😆
Where you find jeans that size.
“Let me get a look at you.”
“Well that could take several hours.” 🤣🤣🤣
These were my girls. They talked about everything and everybody.
Sophia has so many fat jokes XD
This was the one piece of The Golden Girls that I never thought was funny!
I never found the one with Dorothy’s son and the black lady funny either.
“I want my friends here to share my happiness, my...ENORMOUS happiness.” Bahaaahaaa fuckkn Blanche 😂😂
I have dealt with obesity for many years and always felt very disappointed in myself after I would go buy chips or sweets on impulse and eat them as soon as I got home . Its not easy to get a weight loss diet started and stick with it but I have lost 20 lbs so far .
I don't like Sofia at all in this clip and Blanche's daughter is not having a natural reaction to the cruel things being said in front of her face .
I probably would have told Sofia to drop dead
where did you find Jeans that size
Especially in Paris - there aren't many women there who are as curvaceous as Rebecca.
I love how blanche look at her daughter like she really miss her
I remember loving this show but I don’t remember thinking fat shaming was EVER funny or acceptable. Different times I guess 😔
I could just watch this scene over and over again and laugh harder each time!
I think Rebecca is absolutely gorgeous
This seems over the top for Sophia's fat remarks, and even more so with Rose's comment about them not expecting Beckie to be so fat, despite each character being rude and dumb respectively. Only Dorothy is the tactful one here.
Well remember part of Sophia's character is that she had a stroke which means often she can't control the words that come out of her mouth.
True...but the WRITERS could control what cames out of the characters mouth. Sophia's initial reaction shot when she opened the door, the comment about modeling car covers,followed by Rose naive but blunt "we weren't expecting you to be so fat" was enough. imo, the fat joke pile on, especially right to the character's face was just cruel and unnecessary.
it's a show my god.. don't bring your personal life into this, please
Brian Johnson I agree. Once she asked Becky where she found jeans that size it just stopped being funny. Even after losing 100 lbs and watching it again.
@@aprilgonzalez7893And then it really got out of hand when that jerk boyfriend Jeremy showed up.
"Enormous happiness!" 😂😂 #IHateEveryBody 💀😂
On a Brady Bunch episode, she played the little girl who asked Bobby to rescue her cat from an abandoned house. The episode where Bobby played a big shot hall monitor.
Sophia was on a roll with the fat jokes. Lol!
***** Don't you mean "rolls"
Where you find jeans that size?lmmfao
I really wish we could have seen Blanche's sons too and the rest of Rose's kids. And Phil before they had killed off his character
Her son Matthew "Skippy" Devereaux appeared on an episode of the spin-off THE GOLDEN PALACE. He was played by Bill Engvall of Blue Collar Comedy Tour.
Something I didnt know until now, Rebecca was in the first Terminator. She's the waitress who works with Sarah and tells her "look at it this way, in a hundred years who's gonna care?".
Ah the good days when people didn't get offended by every little remark :)
What? Anyone has the right to be offended if someone's mocking their appareance.
Jessie 992 Tbh I can sorta understand when something is obviously meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but this "omg people weren't offended and now they are" attitude is more annoying than the apparent "offended ones".
K. Syndae amen 🙏🏼
Mysllaw M. - Exactly.
Genius writing
People say that this Golden Girls episode was one of the most insensitive what with the sarcastic fat jokes and all. But the actress herself has stated on Twitter that she was merely wearing a fat suit for this. So, really she wasn't taking the brunt of the demeaning jokes at all. As a matter of fact she spoke highly of the fellow actors.....
I am NOT one of those offended minded people, and in fact, I like most jokes that others would find offensive. This episode WAS funny. With that said, the counterargument could be the fact that because they hired a thinner actress wearing a fat suit, that only made the episode even more insensitive. Whatever.
They never asked who was at the door on any episode. They always just opened it.
Al Bundy would be laughing pretty hard right now.
Nobody cares. He was and is out of shape, so people should laugh at him too.
I used to watch The Golden Girls. It was very special and nostalgic
I grew up watching reruns and it never ceases to make me laugh. Its shocking though because no show now a days would get away with all the jokes they made.
Rebecca (Becky): Hi!
Sophia: Your Blanche's daughter the model. She turns around with a clueless look on her face and asked "What did she model, car covers?" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I always say Sophia is my gran, and this stands true. She straight up said I should get a gastric band when I was 14. Still mad about it
Wow. Those Ladies are savage AF. This would never be allowed now adays.
"Blanche's Fat daughter". That's rude.how bout plus size? Blanche was no prize herself!
That ‘80s trope of continuous fat jokes. Yeesh, only a 2 minute skit but it makes you really not like Sophia here.
What did she model ? Car Covers 🤣🤣. Sophia was too funny.
It's funny by the standards of 35 years later she's barely even overweight!
Wow that old lady at 0:47, that's some badass shitlording, kudos.
That's Angela Lansbury!
Helena that would be Rose, aka Betty White, aka the queen of comedy
A small barge.........LMFAO
I thought sophia saids botch
Hahaaaaaa 🤣
straight up savage!
sophia kills me
Sophia is the roasting queen.
Yeah but she was really mean in this episode.
FAT SHAMING WAS A THING BACK THEN! HORRIBLE
Sophia: "What did she model, car covers?"
XD, 'You'll have to forgive my mother.'
'It's just that we didn't expect you to be so fat.'
I honestly don't understand how Blanche takes this so well. If somebody said those sorts of things about my daughter in front of my face, I'd be way angrier than Dorothy.
And Rose is supposed to be a grief counselor and says something like that? Wow.
Not to make light of it, but she once said that she had the highest suicide rate in the office. To be honest, I did not find that funny at all.