Very interesting video. Thank you for making it! Another example of why it is always necessary to avoid taking manufacturer's claims - especially the spectacular ones - at face value! I won't be using this on any of my projects.
Hi any change of thoughts on this brand or product? I just installed butcher block on my kitchen counters and im looking for something safe since i have smaller children… any recommendations? Wed like a stain but if at all at least a seal thanks
Wow ! How by law would they be able to tell people that this stain is food safe to use, or is it that just about everything we use such as non stick pans, dinner plate glaze and so forth are so toxic, that this product can claim to be food safe ?
I just painted a cabinet, and the instructions for the paint says that it needs to cure for a min. of 7 days. I figured it would take at least that long for the butcher block to cure. This cabinet is for a freeze dryer, and not going to be used as a cutting surface and It's going to have at least 3 weeks to cure before it's used anyway, so I'm not going to sweat it.
Personally I would not use a stain or dye on a bowl for food use. I think the 30 day rule is a good one. Three days? I would not trust any finish to cure in three days. Too many variables on humidity and temperature for a manufacturer to come up with that.
Hey Paul good to see ya! I would never use that product on my bowl turnings for food safe. I think the staining of that product would only be used for outside the bowl but then again the chemicals to make that product is way over food safe. Mineral oil for one never drys and I do not prefer using MS for anything Produce on the lathe. I will not use that product for bowls etc. Happy Turnings 💫🪵
Theoretically that’s true but I wouldn’t make such a generalized statement. Certain resin finishes, for example, are not considered by many to be food safe after cure. My hunch is that the risk is minimal but personally I would only sell food contact pieces with an FDA approved finish. I’m sure that people do it all the time however. I debated the toxicity of one finish with a woodworker who was putting it on his cutting boards. He claimed it was food safe but I was told by the manufacturer that it definitely wasn’t. That particular finish was non-curing.
I used the kind without stain on my countertops and they didn’t smell of anything after 2 days. I don’t like the idea of staining something and eating on it.
I wouldn't use it, even after a 30 day (or more) curing period I still wouldn't trust it. I rarely use stains anyway ... prefer the natural colors of the wood. I have been using Tried & True Original ... it is polymerized linseed oil and bees wax.
For one you brought up some good questions. Because I was thinking of putting a bench block countertop in. Looking for something that’s food safe and water resistant. Now after doing my research this is a perfect product. For what’s on the side of the can bench block. Now putting it on wooden spoons, wooden forks, salad, bowls, regular soup bowls. They’ll probably tell you that it’s not made for that particular type application use. What they are thinking you’re gonna use it for is a bench block countertop. You’re going to take your food out. You’re going to set it on the countertop you’re going to clean it you’ll probably end up putting it back on the countertop pulling out your chopping block cut up what you want to dice up cut up you’re gonna put it inside your pan and start cooking it. if you call them up that’s probably what they’re going to tell you that this product is designed for. Because out of all the videos that I’ve been watching this seems to be the best product and some of them when you talk about an actual chopping block cutting board no one that I seen on videos is using this particular product they’re using like straight mineral oil on cutting boards. And even after a certain amount of time, they tell you to throw your wooden cutting board away and buy a new one. So just with that said alone, the way you’re using your wooden bowls, no matter what you put on there that says food safe is not going to hold up to the abuse that you’re put on your wooden silverware through. What you’re talking about is something you would put on a wooden floor for heavy use. And I would definitely not want that on my wooden silverware. And between me and you were old enough to remember from the past why wooden silverware dishware didn’t takeoff. So why are you even making wooden silverware dishware.
No I wouldn't use it on any of my projects. I'm sure there's more natural ways to stain wood products for food use. Like coffee, beets, certain vinegars etc.etc.
“Stain” is not the goal with this product, protecting the wood is. And natural food dyes will NOT protect wood. 100% Tung oil or boiled linseed oil are food safe natural options with NO solvents, or plain mineral oil, which is totally safe but IS derived from petroleum
Your reasoning is not uncommon, but as a non-chemist, and non-attorney, your concerns may be exaggerated. The alarm such Safety Sheets cause is often unwarranted, and the solvents used in BB Oil are very much refined, more benign than many other solvents like acetone, toluen, xylol, etcl. and once dried, leave no residues. The Alkyd modified tung oil is polymerizing with air, much like other oil finishes, and the lingering smell may relate to that. Once cured, agreed, three days has not seemed sufficient in my uses either, the tung oil is going to be non-toxic, as most modern poly finishes when dry. Other "tung oil finishes" may have any sort of other materials, driers, etc. that are not food safe even after drying, and some even have no tung oil at all. I doubt an established brand like Watco is going to sell any product that jeopardizes their reputation, or the health of thousands of buyers - but hey, rampant paranoia and disinformation is the new norm, now.
He actually came at this fairly level headed, the man had a concern and made a video on it. The whole time he even said I’m no chemist or toxicologist. The man has his opinion as you just made yours. I for one thought he didn’t bash the company and am glad he didn’t just take the word of a manufacturing company. Do you remember just recently Teflon coating pans were great and safe to use according to the manufacturer. Or that radium make up was indeed killing people yet the manufacturer said it was safe and good for your health. Don’t be a sheep.
It’s not a stain. It USA slow curing oil finish.You are not using it appropriately. It’s meant as a finish fora countertop or a cutting board where it will only be in contact with food products for a short duration.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. If you are right that it's meant for short duration contact, it should say that on the package. It says "non-toxic and safe for food contact when fully cured", and doesn't say anything about short duration. Salad bowl is one of the use cases presented. I don't consider that a short duration scenario. I can accept that it's food safe after its fully cured, but I disagree that it is fully cured after 3 days as it currently says on the package. It still has a strong smell of spirits at that point, which is a red flag to me regardless of what the manufacturer says.
I crafted a shelf for my RV kitchen that'll be in close proximity to food. After watching this video, I've fallen into the rabbit hole of choices on how to safely finish it, mineral oil seems the best choice right now. The modern world is full of questionable products. ua-cam.com/video/g8Qir5tVt7c/v-deo.html
Hi Charles, As long as you let this product cure for a month + I think it will be fine. Another great choice would be this stuff: amzn.to/2Csl35r, which is what I would likely use for two reasons; 1) it cures (mineral oil doesn't), and 2) it's non-toxic right out of the bottle, so if you ever need to refresh the finish, you won't have any toxicity or fumes in your kitchen.
Great info! I agree, if it’s still off gassing, it’s not fully cured.
Thanks sir 🙏
Very interesting video. Thank you for making it!
Another example of why it is always necessary to avoid taking manufacturer's claims - especially the spectacular ones - at face value!
I won't be using this on any of my projects.
Thanks Sean 🙏
Hi any change of thoughts on this brand or product? I just installed butcher block on my kitchen counters and im looking for something safe since i have smaller children… any recommendations? Wed like a stain but if at all at least a seal thanks
I think it’s fine after a 30 day cure period. I wouldn’t hesitate to use it on kitchen counter tops.
@@ToolMetrix thank you currently using it on kitchen butcher block countertops ill be vigilant about kids putting any food on it for 30 days lol
Wow ! How by law would they be able to tell people that this stain is food safe to use, or is it that just about everything we use such as non stick pans, dinner plate glaze and so forth are so toxic, that this product can claim to be food safe ?
Great question, I'm wondering the same thing!
I just painted a cabinet, and the instructions for the paint says that it needs to cure for a min. of 7 days. I figured it would take at least that long for the butcher block to cure. This cabinet is for a freeze dryer, and not going to be used as a cutting surface and It's going to have at least 3 weeks to cure before it's used anyway, so I'm not going to sweat it.
Yeah I’d give it a month to cure and then you will be fine.
Personally I would not use a stain or dye on a bowl for food use. I think the 30 day rule is a good one. Three days? I would not trust any finish to cure in three days. Too many variables on humidity and temperature for a manufacturer to come up with that.
Yeah I agree. It seems ridiculous and my experience confirmed that. Thanks for watching Mike. Cheers, Paul
Hey Paul good to see ya! I would never use that product on my bowl turnings for food safe. I think the staining of that product would only be used for outside the bowl but then again the chemicals to make that product is way over food safe. Mineral oil for one never drys and I do not prefer using MS for anything Produce on the lathe. I will not use that product for bowls etc. Happy Turnings 💫🪵
Great feedback. Thanks Douglas 🙏
Why not say what you would use?
@@WeMe83 Pigment inks with denatured alcohol 🍺
I I just recently use this on my butcher block counter top and the fumes I question I agree I believe I'm gonna sand it off and try something else ty
@TimberBucksProductions I believe it’s probably actually food safe after a reasonable cure time. At least 30 days and I’d probably go 60 to be safe.
Any finish is food safe once it's fully cured. Fully cured is the key. Which for most it's about a month.
Theoretically that’s true but I wouldn’t make such a generalized statement. Certain resin finishes, for example, are not considered by many to be food safe after cure. My hunch is that the risk is minimal but personally I would only sell food contact pieces with an FDA approved finish. I’m sure that people do it all the time however. I debated the toxicity of one finish with a woodworker who was putting it on his cutting boards. He claimed it was food safe but I was told by the manufacturer that it definitely wasn’t. That particular finish was non-curing.
Very insightful. Thanks for the report!
Thanks for watching and sharing your feedback Walt. Cheers, Paul
If you can still smell the solvents then it's not ready for food. "Maybe" after it's fully cured...
That’s a great assessment Charlie.
Exactly. Any finish is food safe once it's fully cured
I used the kind without stain on my countertops and they didn’t smell of anything after 2 days. I don’t like the idea of staining something and eating on it.
Great information. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
I wouldn't use it, even after a 30 day (or more) curing period I still wouldn't trust it. I rarely use stains anyway ... prefer the natural colors of the wood. I have been using Tried & True Original ... it is polymerized linseed oil and bees wax.
Thanks Gerald. I appreciate your input as always, sir. Cheers
thanks for the suggestion! i'm totally going to get the tried & true
It says xylene right on the can that will get you really high
Good to know! 😳
I read the label after I applied it too
Great minds think alike 😂
For one you brought up some good questions. Because I was thinking of putting a bench block countertop in. Looking for something that’s food safe and water resistant.
Now after doing my research this is a perfect product. For what’s on the side of the can bench block.
Now putting it on wooden spoons, wooden forks, salad, bowls, regular soup bowls. They’ll probably tell you that it’s not made for that particular type application use.
What they are thinking you’re gonna use it for is a bench block countertop. You’re going to take your food out. You’re going to set it on the countertop you’re going to clean it you’ll probably end up putting it back on the countertop pulling out your chopping block cut up what you want to dice up cut up you’re gonna put it inside your pan and start cooking it.
if you call them up that’s probably what they’re going to tell you that this product is designed for.
Because out of all the videos that I’ve been watching this seems to be the best product and some of them when you talk about an actual chopping block cutting board no one that I seen on videos is using this particular product they’re using like straight mineral oil on cutting boards.
And even after a certain amount of time, they tell you to throw your wooden cutting board away and buy a new one. So just with that said alone, the way you’re using your wooden bowls, no matter what you put on there that says food safe is not going to hold up to the abuse that you’re put on your wooden silverware through.
What you’re talking about is something you would put on a wooden floor for heavy use. And I would definitely not want that on my wooden silverware.
And between me and you were old enough to remember from the past why wooden silverware dishware didn’t takeoff. So why are you even making wooden silverware dishware.
Thanks for watching. I love wooden utensils and bowls. I’m not alone. A wooden utensil can last for decades if it’s properly cared for.
So the main thing for staining a kitchen counter top is let it cure properly???
Yep, 30 days minimum should suffice.
Wow, been searching for something safe for weeks and found wetco just to find out it's not...smh.
It's probably safe after a reasonable cure time, which is typically around 30 days for most finishes.
I used it once, and the bottom line is I don't use it anymore.
Good call
Good info 👍🏻
Thanks Brody! Cheers
I wouldn’t use it, Thanks for the info.
Thanks for your feedback Sandra 🙏
Thank you sir for this video 🙏🙏
Thanks for watching Omar! Happy new year to you sir.
Thanks!
Thanks for watching
No I wouldn't use it on any of my projects. I'm sure there's more natural ways to stain wood products for food use. Like coffee, beets, certain vinegars etc.etc.
Absolutely great point.
“Stain” is not the goal with this product, protecting the wood is. And natural food dyes will NOT protect wood. 100% Tung oil or boiled linseed oil are food safe natural options with NO solvents, or plain mineral oil, which is totally safe but IS derived from petroleum
Your reasoning is not uncommon, but as a non-chemist, and non-attorney, your concerns may be exaggerated. The alarm such Safety Sheets cause is often unwarranted, and the solvents used in BB Oil are very much refined, more benign than many other solvents like acetone, toluen, xylol, etcl. and once dried, leave no residues. The Alkyd modified tung oil is polymerizing with air, much like other oil finishes, and the lingering smell may relate to that. Once cured, agreed, three days has not seemed sufficient in my uses either, the tung oil is going to be non-toxic, as most modern poly finishes when dry. Other "tung oil finishes" may have any sort of other materials, driers, etc. that are not food safe even after drying, and some even have no tung oil at all. I doubt an established brand like Watco is going to sell any product that jeopardizes their reputation, or the health of thousands of buyers - but hey, rampant paranoia and disinformation is the new norm, now.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. Cheers
He actually came at this fairly level headed, the man had a concern and made a video on it. The whole time he even said I’m no chemist or toxicologist. The man has his opinion as you just made yours. I for one thought he didn’t bash the company and am glad he didn’t just take the word of a manufacturing company. Do you remember just recently Teflon coating pans were great and safe to use according to the manufacturer. Or that radium make up was indeed killing people yet the manufacturer said it was safe and good for your health. Don’t be a sheep.
@@ToolMetrixignore that troll. Some people just can’t be people anymore.
It’s not a stain. It USA slow curing oil finish.You are not using it appropriately. It’s meant as a finish fora countertop or a cutting board where it will only be in contact with food products for a short duration.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. If you are right that it's meant for short duration contact, it should say that on the package. It says "non-toxic and safe for food contact when fully cured", and doesn't say anything about short duration. Salad bowl is one of the use cases presented. I don't consider that a short duration scenario. I can accept that it's food safe after its fully cured, but I disagree that it is fully cured after 3 days as it currently says on the package. It still has a strong smell of spirits at that point, which is a red flag to me regardless of what the manufacturer says.
If I am staining a food item like your bowl, I use food coloring and lacquer only. However, there are discussions of even using lacquer, so there.
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I crafted a shelf for my RV kitchen that'll be in close proximity to food. After watching this video, I've fallen into the rabbit hole of choices on how to safely finish it, mineral oil seems the best choice right now. The modern world is full of questionable products.
ua-cam.com/video/g8Qir5tVt7c/v-deo.html
Hi Charles, As long as you let this product cure for a month + I think it will be fine. Another great choice would be this stuff: amzn.to/2Csl35r, which is what I would likely use for two reasons; 1) it cures (mineral oil doesn't), and 2) it's non-toxic right out of the bottle, so if you ever need to refresh the finish, you won't have any toxicity or fumes in your kitchen.