Surprisingly, the Golden Grain Inn from Against the Cult of the Reptile God module was similar to Call of Cthulu's Innsmouth Hotel. The denizens of Innsmouth try to kill/capture you when you rent a room at the hotel. And Innsmouth, like Orlane, is under the thumb of a cult dedicated to a Deep One.
I do not believe this to be correct. Sahuagin can be found on p. 84 of the original AD&D Monster Manual, published in 1977. The Sahuagin modules (U1 - 3) are published later, but the Sahuagin were in existence.
I was working on a video for the D3 Mod, but it was a bigger project than I expected. D3 is an incomplete module. The DM needs to fill in a lot of details. I was going to include a map and details of the Drow City that was published in a Dragon Mag (issue #295?); still need to read it. As well as include a fan made mod D4. Then the OGL Debacle happened, and I got pissed off at WotC. So... I have done a lot of preliminary work on the video, so I should not let it go to waste, but, like I said, it is a much bigger project than I expected, and I am still pissed off at WotC.
Unfortunately, not soon. I view the D3 Mod as incomplete. There is a lot of details that needs to be filled out. I am trying to find material (such as Dragon Mag #298) that fills in some of those missing details.
Nice video. I was never terribly interested in Kua-toa as villains. I felt they were not as iconic as the giants or drow. Maybe i'd have prefered them be troglodytes and a bit less technically advanced. but maybe thats just me. Some animals make scary hybrids, some don't. a Lizardman is scary. a fishman is not.
@@RPGmodsFan good point. i know i appreciated "the lost city" more, once I knew of "red nails". But yeah, I've never tried Lovecraft. I do like that the early DnD writers paid appropriate homage to the fantasy writers who preceded them.
@@RPGmodsFan are you calling it infamous because they omitted Tolkien? I'm actually ok with that. Tolkien was also drawing on those who came before him and not mentioning him was probably an attempt to avoid more legal troubles.
@@smithryansmith Yes, because Mr. Gygax omitted Tolkien, probably because TSR was sued by the Tolkien Estate. (i.e. They already had legal trouble from them.)
Misplaced in this module, IMO. If the map showed the encounter area on the banks of a vast subterranean sea, that would have lent verisimilitude to their placement, but they are just dropped in the middle of the map, and really do not seem to have any real purpose in the overall narrative arc.
I would not take Gygax's Underdark map as "gospel", and create one of my own. I would make the Underdark 3 Dimensional, instead of the 2D it is depicted as in the D Modules.
@@swirvinbirds1971 Yeah, you're right. The Underdark was EG term for the Underworld in his FR setting. I guess I subconsicously used the term (instead of Underworld), since I like it better.
@@RPGmodsFana lot of people call it the Underdark and even though it wasn't at the time of it being written it certainly was the 1st prototype Underdark for sure.
Played 1-2-3 ATG in Pathfinder, but never in D&D! Wasn't Queen of the Spiders written alongside another popular module? I forget which one, yet I feel like it was written along Cult of the Reptile God but idk.
@@RPGmodsFan I mean, why attack the Shrine at all? Maybe a misunderstanding with the shell thingies? It's a really cool locale but disjointed re: the overall story.
@@TheLoyalOfficer Gary designed the D2 Mod to be "filler" between the D1 and D3 Mods. If you want to give Gary more credit, then he probably had two things in mind when designing the D2 Mod: (1) The Underworld/Underdark is full of diversity and is not just home to the Drow. (2) He really liked the Lovecraft Tale "Shadows Over Innsmouth" and designed this Mod around it.
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Surprisingly, the Golden Grain Inn from Against the Cult of the Reptile God module was similar to Call of Cthulu's Innsmouth Hotel. The denizens of Innsmouth try to kill/capture you when you rent a room at the hotel. And Innsmouth, like Orlane, is under the thumb of a cult dedicated to a Deep One.
Oh wow. I did not see that connection between Lovecraft and the N1 Module.
He didn't use Shaugin because they were not invented at the time. They make their 1st appearance in D&D in 1982 while D2 was punlished in 1978.
Oh you are right. Oops!
I do not believe this to be correct. Sahuagin can be found on p. 84 of the original AD&D Monster Manual, published in 1977. The Sahuagin modules (U1 - 3) are published later, but the Sahuagin were in existence.
Tx. Stay safe.
Thx, you too.
I just replace these with Deep Ones if they ever crop up in game.
Is there no continuation to D3 Vault of the Drow and the finally Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits?
I was working on a video for the D3 Mod, but it was a bigger project than I expected. D3 is an incomplete module. The DM needs to fill in a lot of details. I was going to include a map and details of the Drow City that was published in a Dragon Mag (issue #295?); still need to read it. As well as include a fan made mod D4. Then the OGL Debacle happened, and I got pissed off at WotC. So...
I have done a lot of preliminary work on the video, so I should not let it go to waste, but, like I said, it is a much bigger project than I expected, and I am still pissed off at WotC.
I only play 1e so WOTC makes no money as I own all the books I need.
When do you think you will have the D3 Vault of the Drow ready to go?
Unfortunately, not soon. I view the D3 Mod as incomplete. There is a lot of details that needs to be filled out. I am trying to find material (such as Dragon Mag #298) that fills in some of those missing details.
Nice video. I was never terribly interested in Kua-toa as villains. I felt they were not as iconic as the giants or drow. Maybe i'd have prefered them be troglodytes and a bit less technically advanced. but maybe thats just me.
Some animals make scary hybrids, some don't. a Lizardman is scary. a fishman is not.
I never did like the Kuo-Toa either. I think you need to be a fan of Lovecraft to enjoy this Mod.
@@RPGmodsFan good point. i know i appreciated "the lost city" more, once I knew of "red nails". But yeah, I've never tried Lovecraft. I do like that the early DnD writers paid appropriate homage to the fantasy writers who preceded them.
@@smithryansmith Hmm... The infamous Appendix N of the original Dungeon Master's Guide?
@@RPGmodsFan are you calling it infamous because they omitted Tolkien? I'm actually ok with that. Tolkien was also drawing on those who came before him and not mentioning him was probably an attempt to avoid more legal troubles.
@@smithryansmith Yes, because Mr. Gygax omitted Tolkien, probably because TSR was sued by the Tolkien Estate. (i.e. They already had legal trouble from them.)
Misplaced in this module, IMO. If the map showed the encounter area on the banks of a vast subterranean sea, that would have lent verisimilitude to their placement, but they are just dropped in the middle of the map, and really do not seem to have any real purpose in the overall narrative arc.
verisimilitude = the appearance or semblance of truth; likelihood; probability
I had to look up the definition of that word. :-)
I would not take Gygax's Underdark map as "gospel", and create one of my own. I would make the Underdark 3 Dimensional, instead of the 2D it is depicted as in the D Modules.
@@RPGmodsFanIt's not the Underdark, It's the Underworld. The Underdark isn't a thing until Forgotten Realms.
@@swirvinbirds1971 Yeah, you're right. The Underdark was EG term for the Underworld in his FR setting. I guess I subconsicously used the term (instead of Underworld), since I like it better.
@@RPGmodsFana lot of people call it the Underdark and even though it wasn't at the time of it being written it certainly was the 1st prototype Underdark for sure.
Played 1-2-3 ATG in Pathfinder, but never in D&D! Wasn't Queen of the Spiders written alongside another popular module? I forget which one, yet I feel like it was written along Cult of the Reptile God but idk.
Q1 came out in 1980. A lot of D&D Mods came out in 1980, so, I would not know either.
what is a seralio?
:-D Let's just say it rhymes with bordello. :-P
What about the (lack of) a plot connecting the Kuo-toa to the story?
Yeah, there is a a lack of plot connecting the D2 mod with the D1 and D3 mods.
@@RPGmodsFan I mean, why attack the Shrine at all? Maybe a misunderstanding with the shell thingies? It's a really cool locale but disjointed re: the overall story.
@@TheLoyalOfficer Gary designed the D2 Mod to be "filler" between the D1 and D3 Mods. If you want to give Gary more credit, then he probably had two things in mind when designing the D2 Mod:
(1) The Underworld/Underdark is full of diversity and is not just home to the Drow.
(2) He really liked the Lovecraft Tale "Shadows Over Innsmouth" and designed this Mod around it.
@@RPGmodsFan Yeah but there should always be a coherent narrative.