WHICH CUTS PAINT FASTER?! Rotary or Dual Action Polisher. Real-time test!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Which polishing machine actually cuts faster? The Rotary Polisher? Or the Dual Action Polisher? In this video, Yvan and Nick go to great lengths for a very "scientific" experiment. Same machine settings throughout; same polishing duration; same bottle of polish; same process of cleaning pads.
We take heat readings of the paint, and we measure the paint thickness as we go about polishing our test sections. What are your thoughts, either before or after watching the video?!
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If nothing else, this video proved to me that the waffle pad is gentle but effective. Thank you for all you guys do.
It’s our most versatile pad for sure!
That gold standard pad and polish combo is no joke. Before I used it I was confident I'd like it, but I wasn't expecting it to become my go-to for finishing in all conditions. Technology is a great thing.
Thank you.
Boy am I glad this wasn’t an unedited video. Especially since I already knew the answer.😁
Good
Keeping it simple is key to this channel. The experience and "keeping it simple" approach is fabulous. The product line is simple and not complicated. Sometimes too much of a good thing is not good, like having 20 different pads, or polishes, sealants. Just keep it simple. Appreciate this channel for its integrity and honest approach to business and education.
I appreciate that!
Thank you for this demonstration.
During all these years I thought the rotary was more agressive then a DA . Learn something every day . 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Me too!
Nick and Yvan are hilarious in this video! Nice was exhausted (but kept going) and Yvan was just happy to see the rotary win another battle! Very informative. Definitely getting the rotary. Please make a rotary bundle with GSP and all pads!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Definitely ready to get my hands on one
Thank you.
Thanks for all your effort guys, I really appreciate your video 👍😁
Thanks for watching!
What i really like about your system is that it doesn't take 10 different products to get a good shine and protection. Decon, wash, polish, ceramic and done. I remember the Meguire's 3 or 4 step kit!
Thank you.
@@diydetailofficial you're welcome. I definitely need help with my 2011 all Black Chevy Avalanche. It has water spots and swirls all over! I want it to look like Black glass again!
@NewVisionLCS we are here to help, you can join our facebook group. bit.ly/DIYDetailFacebookGroup
@@diydetailofficial just went there! Waiting for approval.
Thank you Ivan for this content, giving some light for us.
Thank you.
Awesome video, great idea guys!
Thanks so much!
At 12:23 Yvans head is still like his rotary and Nicks head is oscillating like his DA!! 😀
Lol
I honestly prefer dual action polisher but I have never used your new 25 mm sounds great
High quality rotary polisher is new experience. From me that has 2 DA and 1 rotary
Thank you.
27:17 take rest Nick, because we need you next day for part2 vid, on how to burn through paint with the wool pad. 😉
That’s a quick video.
Before your earlier videos on the rotary I was scared of one. Now I love using it and love the gloss it leaves. I’m definitely sold on the gold standard system. Definitely when my cheap Chinese rotary burns out il definitely be switching to the DIY rotary.
Thanks for all your videos I’m so much better off because of them!
You are so welcome!
What you thought was breaking through crust on a post I made on the Facebook group turned out not to be that. Turned out to be weird water spotting that reappeared after sitting in the sun for a week. Considering the post I made the vehicle had an average of 7mils on the entire truck and was a 2024 with 50miles on it I’m shocked you assumed it was from it being over polished.
It’s extremely difficult to tell in a picture
Well shoot! I bought myself a DA polisher in thinking I was all set to prep my car for a ceramic coating but now I know I need to be very careful with it.. I guess I'm going to save for a polisher now for any future maintenance polishing jobs 😕 Thank you for this test!
Thank you.
It took them 6+ hours to burn through the clear coat with a DA. You do not need to be careful, just do 3-4 slow controlled passes like they teach with the gold standard system and you won't have any issues. You could do 100+ passes and be fine as demonstrated here. Not that you want to do that!
No need to be that careful, unless you are really trying to mess something up you won’t
Awesome job thanks!
Thank you.
What a cool video and experiment to try guys. I’m sure everyone appreciates the video and your efforts. Think 🤔 I would if needed a beer or two Beene though I don’t really drink nowadays to have gotten through the time spent. As someone new to polishing it sure is reassuring to know how safe your system is for a newbie. Someone needs to do the maths on how many one stage polished that would have been the equivalent of on average. I have the rupes polisher but will definitely be purchasing a rotary in the future as your guys rotary is very competitively priced.
I would correct and edit my grammar and mistakes made in this comment if I could find out how to edit it on mobile 😿
Thank you. No worries about the grammar.
I think the myth about the rotary burning through paint came from probably 20+ years ago when the pads weren't as good, people were using rotaries at too high of a speed and using aggressive cut polishes. The products like DIY make are so much better now than what used to be. The rotary with the jeweling pad yields really nice results with their DIY polish.
Correct
🤩😍🤣... you are amazing!!! You have a unique way of doing things . . .you do have a unique system... and you also have a wonderfull chemistry!!! Love you guys...YOU ROCK🤩🤩🤩
Thank you so much 🤗
Interesting to see what happens when downward pressure and/or angle is introduced.
Heat is generated, cutting is generally slower
great vid but a word of caution to newbies the rotary is great and my weapon of choice but when working on the doors and door handles somtimes the rotary even at this slow speed it will dig in to the paint and when you grip is so relaxed that jolt can be enough to remove paint off a soft part
Thank you.
Yup. Panels are shaped. And wool on rotary digs in paint for fun. Takes nothing shave off entire clear in couple seconds
That’s why we use it to finish with a fine foam pad
I have both, I prefer rotary cause I like the control more and the feel. However, you put a wool pad on that , and it’ll send you clear coat to the moon. Big note: Most ppl look at the settings as 1:1 between machines. A rotary at a higher setting, is like a helicopter, literally unusable. While the highest setting on DA is still fine.
Thank you.
I apologize for being annoying last couple weeks, but I still waiting for All Clean and iron remover. 😊
Working on it!
You have always said the DA cuts better. then again for so many people who have used and demonstrated live, when comparing a Rotary using a wool pad and a Da using a Microfiber pad; both of course using the same polish or Compound as well. The rotary did a better job taking our deep defects. You may still need to use another step with the rotary if you get holograms or hazing but then again you may have to do another pass with the DA to get out the remaining defects that were left behind, Also,the finish is typically better, which of course you also agree with as well . So now this leaves me more confused based on what you are finding or saying about the 2.
Micro fibre pads do not cut well, so using them to demonstrate that a Rotary with a wool pad cuts faster is tricking the competition in favour of the Rotary. Both with the same pad, the DA always cuts faster.
To cut a car with a da takes soooo much longer than. A rotary. There's always that @@diydetailofficial
Rotary team 👏🏽🤌🏽 Awesome video! Thanks
Appreciate it!!
The rotary has been wronged for many years. When all along it’s the safer, glossier machine when used correctly.
Not to mention much smoother vibration wise.
Marketing isn’t always positive.
@@diydetailofficial you’re correct. But I think the DIY rotary will really bring it back.
Thank you.
@@diydetailofficialthats such an excellent point. Makes me wonder what else we dont use/accept due to wild marketing campaigns
Would the result be the same if you did everything the wrong way? Heavy compound, wool pad, high speed and applying pressure?
I’ve never polished with the intention of causing damage
Very informative Video. Just wondering Can you guy's test how strong using a product called SuperClean can do the the clear coat?? some people use it similar to incredible suds. Its best on cleaning wheel rims, just simply spray leave it for a few mins and spray off a very strong cleaner.
It’s a degreaser, not an APC, yes it will cause damage
Hey guys! Will this polisher be released in the UK? Happy to wait a few months, otherwise can you recommend a ‘well’ priced alternative with slow speed for finishing? :) thanks in advance for all the awesome content
Thank you, yes hopefully early summer
@DIY Detail. I don't know if this is a subjective question but does the rotary polisher provide more control over the RA? Say I only need to polish the chrome bumper of my car without accidentally touching the plastic trim on the bumper. Better to use the rotary?
EDIT: BTW IMHO faster is not always better. I'd rather sacrifice speed over control especially when it come to paint correction. There's not much paint on modern auto these days. I think I (eventually) burned the paints on my cars over the years using a large 10" rotary polisher and just plain Maguire's liquid wax. I didn't know way back then and now with YT channels like yours, I know much more. Thank you.
The rotary is definitely more precise and easier to control
Tape off whatever you don't want polished, but I find a da to be safer if your working close to things you don't wanna mess up
Hi from Poland
Hello there!
Great video
Thanks for the visit
Nice video guys, Very informative and a keen video. But i have two honest questions?
1. With RPM/OPM being equivalent would you agree that a 25mm throw is more aggressive than a 21mm than a 15mm and so on..?
2. One of the biggest selling points of the DA was that it wouldn't burn paint on an edge and the rotary will. If you did this same test on an edge of a panel will we get the results?
Thanks guys.
The longer the stroke, the more agressive the cut. As an example at 2500 OPM, you have the pad making 15, 21, or 25 mm circles, all at the same speed.
User error burns edges, not the tool. The edge around the window washer hole burnt through on the DA side, but not on the rotary side.
Thank you for the response! Yes obviously operator error is a huge factor on messing up paint. When it comes to tools if we were to ride on an edge on purpose with a Rotary Vs DA, the DA will burn the paint faster. Is that accurate?
Yes that's correct, that's also what you saw in the video @@brooks.5849
Yes, a DA will burn through faster.
@@diydetailofficialWell guys I appreciate you very much for clearing an age old debate. Keep up the wonderful work you are doing!!!
3:02 very INTERESTING ! 2024 TRCMA the LakeCountry chaps said rotary should be used with their pad washer 4000 to expel liquid from a pad. they literally said not DA... 😳
should i find timestamp for it?
Very interesting, I helped in the development of the system 4000, and in the official Lake County video, they show it used more with a DA than a rotary.
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@@diydetailofficial slight correction: he kind of implies not to use DA (thought i didn't get his point with flinging compound), but he doesn't say it cannot/mustn't be used 🤷♂ 5:33:32 - 5:33:53
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Hey would you recommend mixing incredible suds with all clean in a foam cannon? If so what dilution ratios?
27oz water, 4oz DIY Detail All Clean , and 1oz DIY Detail Incredible Suds
I would liketo buy a rotaty dly machine and the DIY detail products, but the problem is I need shipping to México...
Try www.shopusa.com
interesting stuff!
Glad you think so!
I was expecting some flames after these many hours of polishing haha 😂By the way, would 2 passes with the woolpad cut more? Is it worth it to do 2 DA woolpad passes and 1 Rotary Red Jeweling Pad pass for a better result? Ofcourse in terms of time it comes down to how you price this service, but in terms of how much cut the 2nd pass would offer, would it be a better result?
Depends on the paint
Yes, cut the paints with the wool pad until you get the desired results, then finish with the red pad on the Rotary, or the red pad on the rotary.
Good video. Any idea when all clean in gallon will be back in stock ?
Hopefully this week
I actually posed this question to Lake Country. Jay explained to me with some math/ scientific calculations and said that Rotary does cut faster.
On a rotary polisher, more work is done further away from the center because that's the part of the pad that travels furthest and fastest.
On a random orbital, more than 80% of the work being done is by the small orbit, so in compariosn a 8mm DA Vs Rotary.
so this😢 will change with a larger throw polisher.
So I am wondering if because of the fact that this is a 25mm Da it made a differnec? I did t think that much a difference.
I am also wondering if the gear reductions you have in each machine . Rotary being 25:1 and the DA 5:1, are these exact ratios also used in other mfgs Rotaries and DA?
Also, you are testing this on a flat panel, what happened when your working on doors and other area that are curved? These are heavy machines and I am wondering for someone who does a number of cars a day. Like a detail shop how their arms will feel from the extra weight
Thanks for the questions, yes an 8mm DA is far from effective. The 25mm stroke( or even a 21mm) is much more efficient than a rotary.
One additional benefit of cutting with a DA is that less time is spent refining the surface.
Curves make little difference, as our DA isn’t prone to stalling .
The gear reduction we chose for our machines are not the industry norm, but we engineered the Machines to be effective at lower pad speed to reduce heat generation.
Our machines are solid in feel, but no heavier than competitors on the market, in fact they are lighter than many.
This pad is more for a final gloss finish? I tried removing swirls on a car yesterday with a wool pad and heavy cutting pad and it took 25passes, cant imagine with a pad that is made for final finish.
Yes , that’s a one step pad
Those are deep scratches and hard clear coat. If you want to completely remove deep scratches in search for perfection its going to take a lot of passes. We're removing clear coat, and you need to make the decision whether or not you want to remove so much of something that's supposed to be there to protect the paint. With the yellow waffle and gold standard polish on a DA polisher I can remove 50% of most scratches and greatly reduce the appearance of the remaining imperfections with 3-4 passes. That should be enough for most people not trying to bring their cars to a show.
I need help with a situation. I bought 2 of the yellow waffle pads and when I was doing my windows, it turned black. So I cleaned the windows again and used the other pad and that also turned black. I let them soak in rinseless all night and the next day the pads were discolored and warped. What did I do wrong and did I ruin these pads?
It’s normal for them to change colour when you touch trim. Soaking them may have harmed them.
Ugh ok thank you.
Ive knicked the trim before
It burns almost instantly.
Unfortunately it can happen
When will you be restocking the website? It looks like almost everything is sold out.
Most will be returning late this week
So dual action cuts more? Im curious because I paint cars and often times I have to cut with micro sandpaper and polish. So I want what is faster and gives best results.. I have a rotary polisher. Planning on getting a dual action cordless one .
Get at least a 21 mm
When will you have the yellow pads available?
This week
I see they are in stock! I had left my email for notification when they were back in stock and have not received an email.
DIY Detail pads are not available in my area and it does not get delivered here. So can i use Rupes yellow waffle pad(Fine) for compounding and the white waffle pad(ultra fine) for polishing with a Rotary after wet sanding with 3000 grit. I am planning to use meguirs m105 and m205. Please guide.
Where are you located?
After sanding you should really use something more agressive than a yellow pad, use wool but yeah rupes waffle pads would do the job
Will rotary with microfiber pad create marring like your wool pad?
You never want to use microfiber on a rotary it creates to much heat
Will create too much heat
Hey thanks for this awsome video. So i know the rotation poàlisher needs to be at lowest speed. But i do not get if the DA polisher needs to be used also at lowest speed entire time or is it not the case? :)
You want just enough speed to maintain backing plate rotation.
I am looking to do some paint correction on a 2021 tesla model 3 that is often considered to have "soft paint".
The 2005 suzuki this hood was from, do you know what type of clear coat was being used? I heard older clearcoat is stronger than the newer water based.
Thanks for the great video.
This was definitely a very hard clearcoat.
Rotary cuts for fun. With danger. Nicer to use. DA is just not the same.
Apparently you didn't bother to watch the video...
@@jeffc6832 yup. Watched it twice instead !!!!! Wrong test. Flat surface. No pressure. Swage lines and creases any pressure on rotary and massively diff result angles !
I’ve been cutting with a DA for decades, and finishing with a rotary. It works, it’s not the right way, it simply one of the ways of getting the job done.
@@zzhughesd but that's the point. You should keep the pad flat to the surface being worked on with no pressure, adjusting for angles and swage lines.
@@jeffc6832 Thanks, I'm a bad hobbyist who cuts too quickly, budget stock scratched up top coat, maybe 3 a week around 8 odd cars have to valet in and out. I hit heavy cut and wool on most and apply pressure. I know I'm doing it wrong, I slow around swage lines and creases and try speed through the flat panels. I do use mostly wool, or heavy cut foam.. I find I'm on the car all day on a DA, I have two forced rotation DA's as a happy place but seam to just use rotary for speed
Does the wool pad cut with less hazing than a microfiber pad/uro fiber pad?
Yes, many use it for finishing.
Harbor Freight oughta sell your product and call it Yvan’s and not Grant’s 😊
lol
Can you polish headlights, trims, and exhaust tips with the gold standard polish?
Yes you can!
Are they back in stock yet?
In approximately a month
i want to purchase a polisher. I cant get both a DA and a rotary. only one. never used one before. recommendations?
DA is more versatile for the one polisher only question
@@diydetailofficialthank you 😊
👍
Thank you.
Awesome
Thank you.
20:18 apparently japanese are meant to be soft paints...
Not always
Ready
Thank you.
Do you guys plan on exporting your products to Serbia ? Id like to try them.
If a local distributor wants to sell them
Except the 5 5 5
Yes
I would like to see that. 5lbs speed 5 for 10 min lol
This almost took 7 hours?!
Yes
Now lets use wool
Yes, our wool pad on the DA will not only cut faster than a traditional wool pad on a rotary, but more importantly cleaner, meaning less time spent refining the surface.
Why is the da being focused more central than the rotary there for the centre of where your using the da will of course get hotter. Yvan your a shill lol
The box size is the same
@@diydetailofficial not at all what I meant.
Please explain
They are just staying inside the box of tape - the body of the machine does move less on DA vs rotary for same area - rotary you move the body of the machine more for the pad to cover the same area as DA… I don’t understand your point anyway - the temp of the surfaces were checked the entire time, and kept within standard ranges to avoid that being a major factor… and there were no major differences between temps of either. What matters is that the DA absolutely cuts faster than the rotary. Just learn the technique of a rotary to use it correctly in the first place. DA hides bad technique, but does more damage in the long run. Sure sometimes you need time savings and to actually cut more with the DA for heavier removal where it makes sense, but finishing with rotary is a no brainer. It’s a better finish and it removes less material.
Still out of a lot of product.
Unfortunately, yes, our manufacturing facilities can’t keep up with demand, we are increasing production capacity.
NEVER NEVER USE A BUFFER ON A CAR..NEVER..
First of all,,buffer"? U mean a DA or Rotary? Secondly - why not? If you have NO experience then get a panel from the junkyard and train on it, if you do it is a wonderful machine - I did it by hand all those years and boy was I missing out
Why not?
What I find funny it that the video after this is about POLISHING with a rotary. Running the rotary flat polishes, it doesn't cut. if you are going to do a video that shows cutting please use the tool properly. I love your content but what you are showing in this video isnt correct.
Having the pad on an angle reduces cut, keeping it flat increases the surface area of the pad.