The perfect Crossover? Audi A4 Allroad quattro FULL REVIEW 2018 A4 Avant - Autogefühl
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2017
- In today’s episode Thomas presents you the Audi A4 which could be the perfect crossover. If that statement is true, you will find out. As always we cover the exterior, interior, talk about engines and for sure drive the car. How does it perform and how does it compete to other vehicles? These are further questions which will be answered on Autogefühl.
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Nobody needs car better than this one. Perfect for everything.
Most people wouldn't afford one either...
@@adrianhrusca4067 well there are different options for these type of cars
@@adrianhrusca4067 for example the Seat León X-Perience, i have one an is the same of these allroad but for the "poors" xdd
Maybe the V60CC but i donno yet...
Hi Autogefuhl team! i asked you a few months ago for this review and now here it is! Great work, excellent channel !!
Hey buddy, thanks so much! And yeah, we try to fulfill our viewer's wishes
Thomas -- you are the best! Always enjoy seeing your reviews that are factual and informative without any BS. I am a fan!!
+Ravi Kanuri thanks you. Please stick to us
Listening to him talk is rather soothing. Great video!
🙏
I had to look for so long and was unable to find a review on the A4 allroad and now i have, thankyou. I did order mine and it arrives in 2 weeks. :))
Great style of reviewing. Thanks. I’ve never seen or felt that steering issue on my Audi A4 Avant 2017.
Hi Thomas, great review! I bought the allroad last year and have had zero problems with over 12,000 miles on it. My passengers always comment on how smooth and quiet the car is. Here in Southern California, we can only get the allroad with the 2.0. I guess my only complaint, is that here in the USA, we can not get it with a trailer hitch.
thanks for the feedback !
I drive an A6 allroad 3.0tdi, I didn't go to buy an allroad but was offered a good deal from the dealer.
Another great review Thomas.
Been waiting for this review for some time. "Something called winter" LOL. Nice! One of vehicles I'm considering buying. Thank you - Thomas and team for an awesome review.
you're welcome!
Finally A4 Allroad...I love it :) Great review, thank you Thomas :)
you re welcome =)
Hello Thomas. Top class review for a classy looking car. Liked the coat!!! 👍🏼
+ian taf cheers pal!
Amazing review thank you Thomas.
+Ahmed Mahdi 🙏🙏
Professional presentation, very good, thanks thomas.
+Rafael Guevara 🙏🙏
you prolly dont give a damn but does someone know a method to get back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly forgot my login password. I would love any tricks you can give me!
@Nikolas Kareem instablaster =)
@Abram Harry thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site thru google and im trying it out atm.
I see it takes quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Abram Harry it did the trick and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy!
Thank you so much you saved my account!
Thanks for the excellent review. I’m planning to buy this car next year.
Thank you Ethan. Let us know when you got the car!
I love that indicator sound
Thanks Thomas. I just bought my Allroad 2.0 Tfsi this week - pleased to move back to petrol.
Great to see a full length review of the Allroad and of course to see you (and Autogefühl) cover the car in detail - you had a but better weather than Holger did in his short review - no cats and dogs today :-)
After taking your advise I ordered my car with alcantara rather than the leather (animal skin) and I am pleased to have chosen it. I know this subject is close to your heart. Some leather still on the side bolsters but not so much.
I ordered many of the options and I agree the dynamic steering is worth having - for me a real pleasure.
My children have enjoyed learning about the new technology.
I agree with your likes and your criticisms. More room is needed in the rear passenger space.
I will keep a check on the braking question next time there is heavy rain.
As always a big thanks to everyone at Autogefühl
+Mark Bennett awesome mark!!
Difference between petrol vs diesel onroad feel ? Does it have enough grunt to pull the car ?
For me it is just fine. I had a A4 3.0tdi quattro before. That had a certain longer power surge at certain speeds but in general use this 252BHP engine feels very good to me with excellent acceleration. Yes you'll lose economy but I like the lack of rattle of the engine and the enjoy not having smell from the diesel exhaust.
I do not regret choosing the petrol version and don't miss the diesel at all.
Is it 2017?
I remember when a subscriber asked for a review of the All-Road and you replied that it was basically an A4 Avant with plastic wheel arches, so no need for a review. I am glad that you did one anyway.
+siphonsnob always trying to fulfill the wishes 😊
Great review (as usual), Thomas! I have been seriously looking at purchasing the Audi A4 Allroad as it has the driveability of an avant and the load carrying capability of an SUV, and your video helps my case.
thanks and feel free to share! :)
27.27 Well done, Thomas! Gordon will appreciate you mentioning him. Autogefühl always being mindful of its fans through great interaction.😊
+Hamish Dunham 😎
+Hamish - I know you "must always be watching the whole piece" too Hamish! Well done! Cheers!
It looks so nice!
U are the Best......”winter/light info was spot on” regards from Denmark aka winter country👍
venlig hilsen =)
I own the current generation A6 Allroad and I can report that as a type of vehicle, it works extremely well. Perfect on-road handling and comfort, no lean at all, and better ground clearance than Nissan Qashqai and Toyota RAV4. Definitely preferable to a crossover. The A4 Allroad seems very similar except for the variable ground clearance that the A6's air suspension provides. I also strongly recommend the tiptronic to the S-tronic. It's leaps and bounds better to drive and has better reliability and lower maintenance costs.
+gvaley 👌
Super cool! Friday evening event is watching Autogefühl!
+PaulB yeah!!
I like this concept way more than actual SUVs. It’s a pretty decent compromise and the sensible choice. But the sensible choice seems to not really apply so much at the moment. In Europe, huge numbers of people are brainwashed into thinking they need a bigger car than they actually do because of a huge marketing push by the auto manufacturers. Every time I hear an ad for a car manufacturer it’s about their crossover line or ‘which KIA SUV is right for you?’ for example.
But anyway, I like the car and the feeling of having a bigger car but without the actual size is really cool.
really enjoy the reviews. keep up the good work:)
cheers man, keep recommending us!
Nice, calm presentation, enjoyed it.
Excellent review as always;)
+Vitamin Vitamin thanks!!
Bravo thomas! Good video, man
+Cristian ION Cristian ✌️
Nice comprehensive assessment
Hey, I met Tomas today at the airport, super nice guy to bad I had not much time to talk to him. But yes really cool guy with good videos.
Great to meet you! :)
Yes Thomas, at 11:36, I liked your amusing description of some who misread the check engine light as a fault! Thanks for reading, and responding, to our comments - always such good detail and attention from Thomas. Great Review. Very enjoyable driving part. Many thanks, Team.
=) hope u also enjoyed your reference!
Definitely Thomas, thanks! Always enjoy (all) your videos, too.
The allroad models of Audi (A6, A4) are really great alternatives for a SUV because they aren`t that heavy and huge. Nevertheless you have a higher seating position than in a “classic” estate! I would always prefer an allroad model over a SUV. Well done 👏
Yup, these type of cars are the most
In these video doesn't see a good test for these car, go off-road
Thomas I have nothing to say, what a great review what a great detailed review and great content. Watching the whole video with enthusiasm. Keep up the good work! Cheers buddy!
+Karen Panama 👌🙏🙏
Amazing review, amazing car!
I would pick white collar then it would be perfect.
Good job Thomas!
+Kasper Lange thanks m8!
Again professional, sincere and detail review Thomas. Q series or Allroad series depend on customer choice. This car looking strong and stable.
+Mehmet Ali Öz indeed!
nice car
Nice review would really like to see an A6 v merc all terrain full test
Exellent in-depht review, this is the video I was looking for so thank you very much!
(A detail if I may, the indoor camera views are problematic)
thanks, enjoy :)
Awesome review thanks Thomas. I really like your honest opinion in all cars
+Muller Issa thanks!!
Should i use the sport drive gear option all the time or not ? what is it used for , what benefits does it have ?
I have this model, it is truly excellent. My other car is an S5, which is also excellent, but for an everyday car, the A4 Allroad is a great combination of practicality and fun.
Hey Thomas! Great review, as ALWAYS :) I want to ask you about something, is there any chance for the review of the new subaru xv?
First of all thank you very much. At the moment we don't have specific plans for it
Ok, I understand ;) Thanks for the answer :)
Great looking car but not too distinct from the standard one. For one time i Prefer the Passat all track because of basic kit with it. However this A4 is damn sexy too
I think tending to one side under braking can be due to uneven grip (but in this case I think you should notice abs on the pedal ) or uneven braking force if somehow one brake disc was very wet.
thanks
Hi Thomas, great review and a great channel, looking forward to your future reviews. I am thinking about buying 2.0 Tfsi with ultra Quattro technology. Can you say something about that engine and Quattro ultra compared to this model?? Would you recommend choosing the diesel 3.0 instead?
Cheers! Thats fwd with haldex
Hi Thomas, greetings from Portugal! Great review, as always. You are the best car reviewer anywhere! Always see your reviews before buying my cars. Which brings me to the next point: how would you compare the Audi to the Mercedes GLC? I am currently torn between both. Maybe a comparison is in order 😉?
First of all thank you a lot! Recently AJ reviewed the GLC 63 AMG, did you watch his video yet? If not, here is a link --> ua-cam.com/video/DDgTZmPD5nA/v-deo.html
Autogefühl thanks! I have seen that one. I am a subscriber and get notifications every time a new video is out 😊. Would like to compare the performance of both cars on and off road. I believe both appeal to the same type of buyer, the GLC perhaps with a bit more off-road abilities. E Audi perhaps a bit more interior space and ride ability...?
You mean the Audi Q5 ? They surely both come close and are both very good cars. Mercedes convinces me more with their animal skin alternatives
Very good review. I have not experienced the braking problem. Here in the US we have few options for a sport wagon, I am happy with my allroad. Fun to drive on country and mountain roads especially. The price is a real issue, if Audi goes much higher in future, they will price owners out of the A4 tier.
Good stuff.
It really is quite amazing to see so many differences between cars in European countries and the same model in North America.
I have that car! I love it, very good to drive. Very accurate review thank you
+Fuxser 👌
Hi Fuxser, nice to know a real owner is present. I hope you don't mind me asking some questions about the performance of this beautiful machine?
@@roverroko306 Sure thing, i got the 2 litre 190hp diesel engine. It's not the fasttest, but the gearbox works great, so it feels much quicker then it really is. Also in Norway there is no speedlimit above 100, so no point on the petrol engine for me. But 2+ years after i bought it i still love it, not been a single problem with it.
your great.
Hi Mr. Thomas!
Thank you very much for your nice video.
I was planing to buy used one from 2017. or 2018. yrear of production.
Mr. Thomas, could you please tell is that problem with brakes on rain so big that one should give up from buying this car?
Is it same problem with A4 avant?
Cheers!! I did some research and Audi says the problem doesn’t exist… little bit confusing. There are a lot of A4 on the road anyways without problems. Just check that tyres still have good profile
Hopefully you can review the Merc All Terrain E350 and A6 All Road one day
Excellent review Thomas! I'm relieved too as I just ordered the V6, upgrading from the B8 (2.0 TDI). Any chance of some more comments on acceleration in the V6 diesel compared with the 2.0 TDI? E.g. real-life overtaking on b-roads? By the way I never experienced any braking problems with my A4 Allroad :-)
+ministryofsmltt thanks! Its super powerful :)
Autogefühl Yes it is! Acceleration in sport mode is bonkers, love this car :-)
I wonder how that road signs recognition works? It only shows what it sees? How flexible it is? For example if you leave the city then speed limit sets to say 90 even without explicit speed signs, what limit it shows then? Or if there is speed limit before crossroad, which ends by default after it (I think it applies to Germany as well).
+Vaidas Kazakevičius map plus camera info
Hello Thomas, I took delivery of this car in January of this year and drove to Geneva (from Luxemburg) in March. During the return journey it was raining hard and I experienced the very same incident you spoke about in the video. Upon braking the car jerked (rather violently) to the left. I tried it a few times and it happened at least 4 more times. I complained to the local Audi garage and a test drive was organised. Unfortunately it was not raining and the car did not manifest the same problem. It does not inspire a great deal of confidence knowing that this is a known problem with A4's (my garage denies all knowledge). Other than that it is a great car: very economical (on a long motorway trip with 5 adults and luggage driving at a steady 130 km/h I averaged 6.2 l/100 kms). It is pretty fast, sporty, the V6 sounds great and it is very comfortable......BUT knowing that this problem exists I contemplate replacing the car soon.........
+Hans oh wow thanks 4 the feedback!!
Thanks for a good review. I own a similar car (the 218 hp version though). I live in Norway and drive often on wet and snowy roads and I have never experienced brake problems. Maybe it was something wrong with the built in disc wipers on this specific car? I believe also that the 218 hp version have the same Quattro system as the 272 hp version.
+Ådne Danielsen thanks! Good question.
+Ådne Danielsen 218 hp is different btw as i said
Thoughts about buying this car used? Anything to watch out for? I'd prefer this to a generic SUV. Great review. So methodical
Hello Thomas. Have you any review of the Audi A4 1.4TFSI automatic
check out more A4 reviews here: ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=autogefuehl+audi+a4
Will there be 2.0 240 HP TDI version?
I like that you are being transparent with the review and telling what is wrong with the car, the leather will do the same on more models and brands, it`s not a problem specific to Audi, and it`s usually on faux leather. On new ML it looked like that new from the factory, lol :))
+Car Review 360 thanks! Audi hardly offers leatherette, but Mercedes does a lot and is way better in that respect!
About lane assistant.. In new Lexus LS if assistant can't catch on lane markings properly it sticks to a car in front of you, and if it goes for overtaking, the you also go in opposite lane after him, crazy realisation I think, good if he overtakes, not goes out of the way if fell asleep :-)
Vielen Dank für das sehr gelungene Review!
Wie findest du den Wagen im Vergleich zur Mercedes E Klasse? (Mir ist bewusst dass das unterschiedliche Fahrzeugklassen sind, aber da der „alte” A6 kurz vor der neuen Modellpremiere steht und der A4 allroad quattro durchaus Potential hat mit der oberen Mittelklasse verglichen zu werden, interessiert mich hier deine Einschätzung sehr)
+Thomas W. besten dank! Hast du dir den fahrpart komplett angehört? Ich gehe dabei auch auf den aspekt vs größere autos ein LG
Hi Thomas - FANTASTIC review as always. Nice A4 Allroad. I think I prefer the Passat Alltrack - lot more space in the back, I like the interior, it's just a little longer, and is less money. If you want a more compact 4WD, then you could spec-up a SWB Tiguan Comfortline, or SEL, with every extra, and this is less money still - and is more comfortable in the back seats than an A4; and is similarly equipped with HUD, 3-Zone, DCC, Active Info Display, Area View, LED's, etc.
thanks for the support!
sgtc 4 - the Tiguan is not in same segment, or class, as the A4 Allroad - an SUV equivalent would be more like the Q5?
Hi very good video ! congratulations. What do you think about the 40 TDI 190 in this car? is it brings enought performance? I just bought one A4 40 ALLROAD TDI QUATTRO S TRONIC AVUS. I hope I will be not deseappointed by the engine 190 hp ?
Hi! I am interest in the 40 tdi. What is your experience so far. If feels lack of power? Thank you
I have an A4 b8 avant 2.0 TDI with 170 HP and the performance is overall very satisfying, its enough to easily overtake on the autobahn. The 40 TDI has 204 HP and +50 NM so it should be even better.
The lord of the rings! :)
Audi 80 B4 Tutorials Four zeros in the front and one behind the steeringwheel
Another fine review. If you want a top spec, it's almost double the entry-level price. Also, I would advise Audi to work on the indicator sound...
thanks! Yeah it gets expensive easily
The perfect car, what more could you need
More legroom for the rear seat passengers ! Tomas said it felt "Cramped" also the brakes are dodgy, even" dangerous" to quote Thomas !! so maybe not so perfect !!
Great review. The 2.0 engine is the only choice in the US. I love the exterior and the A4 dash, and seriously considered it -- wanting the driving characteristics of a sedan and the utility of a wagon -- but went with a Q5 Prestige for a few reasons: 1) the Allroad is priced a few thousand more than the Q5; 2) back seat legroom would soon be tight for my growing kids; 3) when I road tested it, it drove less like an A4 sedan than I expected (floatier and a bit wandering); 4) when all the other cars are SUVs, and you lose forward visibility in a wagon, and 5) in the US, it is rare and has more of an "elite" status -- the Outback for rich people. And another thing: the Audi sales guys seemed to sell away from Allroads and push me towards Q5s.
thanks for the feedback!
good review as usual, obviously pay for the brand privilege, VW and Skoda as capable?
thanks! you can compare the Passat Alltack: ua-cam.com/video/DEhu7Sejfrw/v-deo.html
Quite beautiful car. I still prefer the front grill from the S-Line, but this one is also nice.
Comparing to SUV prices, the space and comfort a crossover offers, overall we get more for less price from a crossover. That seems my impression
Could you do the new Subaru XV?
If possible please do a full review on Range Rover Velar. It has amazing design and it's possible to have with full fabric interior, so Thomas approved :D
+igrvks yes we will!!
I'd love to own an A4 Allroad, however, the price is hard to justify. I ended up buying a 2018 VW Alltrack SE for half the price of an Audi. It's not an Audi, but it does everything I need with ease - and in a very sporty manner.
hello Thomas,I have A4 allroad design luxe, and the brake problem you have experienced,i had exactly the same problem on very wet autobahn (very dangerous)... did you find something?sorry for my english i am french..by the way i watch all you reviews that i find one of the best on youtube.
Interesting! They told me they could not reproduce it. But it is real i m sure
I am sure too, it happened to me on very rainy conditions 10-20kms without braking, lane assist off ,than when I pressed the pedal nearly nothing happened and the car was going left... than it became normal again, i am now affraid to drive on very wet conditions otherwise in dry conditions the brake are perfect...
it happened to me twice
@@osterlouis6336 This is the biggest thing that is keeping me away from this car. I'm starting to hunt for a replacement for my X5 and the allroad would be high on my list if I could trust it to keep us safe. I drive in heavy rain quite often so this brake issue is a big concern.
It has been a while since the review and the comments above. Anyone know if it has been resolved?
Similar issue with brakes on wet road. After 20 km on heavy rain breaks are weak and I need to pump 2-3 times to get rid of water remains.... that is very frustrating nad dangerous. On rainy days I need to be prepare for extra brake pedal pumps to get full brake assistance.
thanks for the feedback! Seems that is really something...
BTW - have you contacted Audi and gotten any feedback on this? Today it was heavy rain and I had checked this issue closely. Breaks were week for 3-4 sec. After 2-3 pumps on break pedal it was much better but just for 10-15km. Unfortunately the same scenario came back few times for entire 150km trip. Definetly this has to do with water on the road and heavy rain. No such problem with breaks on dry roads. Few times on 150km distance also had few left/right issue drag with breaks. I will report this today to local dealership and ask for inspection during planned service. Very dangerous! And annoying when there is no full brake assistance available on heavy rain!
Agree this a complete and very sovereign machine, like Thomas would state. Thomas I must say, I was so irritated by this Merc which just interrupted your train off thought exactly when you're talking about a very interesting part about this crossover. The ZF 8 speed torque converter gearbox. BTW your should have continued to talk about this transmission and quattro setup, I really wanted to know every detail about it's performance. As I said before, unfortunately your review of Audi A4 with this higher powered V6 tdi is the first review to mention this very important fact about the difference drive train and quattro. Maybe some people don't realise it's not a small difference but a very important one, at least to a passionate driver. I would really like to see a review for this type of setup in Audi A4, either this or Saloon S-line with V6 tdi 272hp and permanent quattro done just about this difference on offer. Ofcourse the performance and the feeling, which is better at what e.c.t. None the less Thomas you are one of the UA-camrs who really knows what to talk about when reviewing a specific vehicle, thus interested parties can always learn something new. Which should be the point of this in the first place. ☻😉
BTW he is not bullying you.he just wanted to pass you, because you always forget to move on a right side even when you dont overtake anybody...left side is for overtaking not for cruise control...
+keva kevincek speed limit is speed limit
you can do your speed limit on the right line to...
+keva kevincek there is no birth right to exceed the speed limit
you know you,re doing it wrong, but you still find an excuse. ask some car instructor how to behave on highway. he will explain to you. dude imagine like everyone driving like you, it would be a traffic jam from paris to munich..i am making 50k km pear year in the car so i know those smart ass guys like you on highway very well. btw great review :D
I love your videos Thomas, but i do have to say that you were leftlane hogging, even if the speedlimit 100, some poeple drive 105 and it is annoying when somebody is in the left lane... The rules are that you need to keep right all the wime whenever you can.
hey Thomas, oneslty speaking, what dou you think about the new awd ultra of Audi??did you tried it?how it works?is it comparable to the torsen ?
thats normal haldex clutch afaik ?
from what has been declared by audi this is not haldex but a 100% new system devoloped by audi.
afaik it is just the haldex for MLB platform (big) cars
Of course they marketing bla bla everything :)
of course but they can not declare that they tried the haldex and they decided that it was not the right solution and at the end they go for haldex .)))it would be comic, anyway i will try this system in marz.thank you thomas.gruss aus italien und allesgute
Had this Allroad 4 years 60k km drove it with 7.7 l/100km but I used to drive >200 km/h on Autobahn. If you drive over 20 km and with max 130 km/h you can drive it below 6l/100km
I drive an Audi A4 saloon which I bought a month ago. We had a massive snow storm here in the UK recently. I drove after the snow melted away and that brown sludge remained. I did not notice this issue that you discussed when breaking on wet roads.
Is there a specific reason why Audi’s backseats don’t fold down after the leaver is pulled Thomas? For an Audi I find that rather embarrassing. Other brands are doing this a lot better. Definitely something Audi needs to work on if there is no reason for them not to fold down.
+Dr Sandeep Parwaga thanks!
Hello Thomas, have you had any further feedback on the braking problem either from Audi directly or other owners? I spoke to the customer service of Audi France 4 weeks ago and it appears that the ''complaint'' was just put on a pile and not taken seriously. Nothing has been done so far. I will be leaving on a wintersport vacation next week thinking I would be travelling in a very safe 4x4 car. Turns out the car is just a danger on the road. Look forward to your reply......thanks.
I will re-check, didnt get the answer yet
They said they could not reproduce the error. But other messages show that I am obviously not mistaken
Hi Thomas, did you contact Audi about the breaking problem??
Yes, they did not reply anything real to that. Just that it wasnt know - which isnt true, when you check forums worldwide...
I wish the TDI engines would come back to the US.
A few observations...
1- great, detailed review from a mostly non-technical perspective. Great info for the everyday, casual viewer.
2- excellent video quality and editing. So many other fall way short of what you have done here.
3- I love that you merged onto the highway at precisely 100 km/h. Very German.
Well done. I will definitely watch more videos you create, and let people know about you.
Only wish you could convince Canada to bring the TDI version here. LoL
Cheers.
Would you recommend TDI 2.0 over TFSI 2.0 engine b9 2018? (Non-quattro) Thanks!
That totally depends on your driving profile, only long distance for tdi, if you don’t drive long mileage or also a lot in the city, then take the tsi
@@autogefuehl Thanks! I have decide on the TFSI 2.0 but I still want it to be quattro but non-allroad since I don't like the look of the allroad. It's not easy to find one non-allroad but quattro tfsi here in Sweden.
Der Verbrauch ist auch relativ hoch weil das automatikgetriebe zwar sehr früh schaltet und man cruist bei 1000 u/min herum aber das ist weit auserhalb des optimalen arbeitsbereichs (laut muscheldiagramm) eines dieselmotors. Der Optimale bereich liegt bei 1900-2200 da der wirkungsgrad und der verbrauch am geringsten. Bei Turboaufgeladenen eventl. 200-400 u/min niedriger.
Was mich auch wundert ist wie sich da der dpf überhaupt regenerieren kann bei solch niedrigen drehzahlen.
Ich fahre einen M57n2 Motor im x3 mit 280ps und 580nm. Da ist der verbrauch auf der Autobahn mit tempomat und 100 kmh(hab die geschwindigkeit gewählt damit ich wirklich konstant fahren kann) bei ca. 6.5L und das an der zapfsäule gemessen.
Der Dreht bei 100 kmh ca. 1800u/min und gurkt nicht bei 1200 u/min herum.
Außerdem entsteht im nicht optimalen drehzahlbereich mehr ruß was auch zur erhöhten motorölbelastung fürht und auch den dpf stärker belastet.
Mmn eine fehlentscheidung die die getriebe der aktuellen autos so zu programmieren. Es ist zwar leiser im innenraum aber die Konsequenzen sind es nicht wert.
interessant!
Jein.
Dieser Bereich vom Kennfeld, in dem der Motor am effektivsten Läuft, liegt meist bei annähernd Volllast (sagen wir 90% Last) bei etwa 1/3-1/2 Motordrehzahl.
Wenn du also beim Benziner einen Gang wählst, mit dem du eine Steigung bei annähernd Volllast mit 2500rpm und konstanter Geschwindigkeit rauf fährst, liegt da dein Verbrauchs Minimum. Den Berg stattdessen mit Halbgas in einem kleineren Gang rauf fahren wird mehr Verbrauchen.
Nun ist es aber so, dass wir heute keine 20PS Motoren mehr fahren, und die Maschine beim dahin rollen mit z.b. 100kmh in der Ebene völlig gelangweilt ist, und in einen schlechten Wirkungsgrad fällt (das ist der untere Bereich des Muscheldiagrams).
Wie kann ich diesen Wirkungsgrad nun steigern? In dem ich ihr mehr Last abverlange.
Wie mache ich das? Ich übersetze das Getriebe im größten Gang so lang, dass es fast volle Motorkraft benötigt, um das Tempo zu halten.
Dadurch klettert mein Betriebspunkt im Muscheldiagram wieder nach oben.
Dass es jetzt eventuell etwas zu wenig Drehzahl ist, um ganz perfekt im Betriebspunkt zu liegen, macht nicht viel aus. Einen kleineren Gang mit (viel) mehr Drehzahl, dafür weniger Last zu wählen, wäre deutlich weniger Effektiv.
Deshalb werden heute ja 8, 9 und 10 Gang Getriebe gebaut, um diesen optimalen Betriebspunkt über einen breiten Geschwindigkeitsbereich zu halten. Generell sollte die Getriebesteuerung da schon wissen, was sie macht, und 1000rpm 90% Gas könnten effektiver als 1300 Touren 70% Gas sein.
Mit dem Downsizing und/oder Zylinderabschaltung versucht man übrigens das Gleiche. Beispiel 1.4er TSI mit Zylinderabschaltung: 2 Zylinder mit effektiv 0,7 Litern Hubraum müssen schwerer arbeiten, als 4 Zylinder mit 1,4 Litern Hubraum, und verschieben dadurch die Last vom Motor in den oberen Kennfeldbereich vom Muscheldiagram. Klingt komisch, is aber so.
Im Idealfall hätte man ein Getriebe, welches eine unendlich weite Übersetzung dynamisch zur Verfügung stellen kann. Und einen Motor, der dynamisch seinen Hubraum verändern kann. Das versucht man ja auch mit CVT und x-Gang Getrieben, und Zylinderabschaltung.
Danke für die ausführliche Antwort.
Also entweder interpretiere ich das muscheldiagramm falsch oder es stimmt nicht das bei 1000 u/min und viel last der motor weniger verbraucht als bei zb ca 2000u/min und 80% last.
Denn bei 100% last und 1000u/min ist bei jedem muscheldiagramm nie der optimale betriebspunkt und der geringste verbrauch - sieht man auch an der oft eingezeichneten kurve...
Was auch nicht zu vernachlässigen ist das bei kaltem motor und solch niedrigen drehzahlen bei 500-600nm last ist auch nicht gerade optimal da der motor da viel rauher läuft und diese meistens dann nicht mal mehr die 200tsd km marke ohne schaden schaffen.
Foto4Max da gehts nicht primär um co2 sondern um ruß und nox.
Nein die von audi wissen schon was sie tun. Aber irgendwie ist das schon eigenartig mit dem was ich oben angesprochen habe.
Friend had one when he dropped his s4 for service and he came by my house ... incredible, if this came in an E-tron version i would own it already.
About consumption, I have the 218hp 2017 and it is super efficient and I have seen down to 4.8L / 100km Norway highway. I guess this is due to the main front wheel setup.
hi from florida
something about the placement of the rear light clusters is putting me off Maybe they should be a few cm higher
Macht bitte mal lautstärketests in dBA bei 80-100-130-160. ein günstiges gerät würde da als richtwert da schon reichen um einen vergleich zwischen den autos zu haben
Haben wir schon mal probiert. Du bekommst keine guten Ergebnisse, weil Zeit, Wetter, Fahrbahnbeschaffenheit und Reifen jeweils gleich sein müssten, um wirklich aussagekräftig zu sein
Danke für die Rückmeldung. auch wenn nicht allzu genau, klar mit einem auto im regen und mit dem anderen nicht ist nicht aussagekräftig.
Ein Test auf der selben straße bei ähnlichen bedingungen usw... wäre schon interessant mMn.
Bei den Reifen kann man es sich denken das da ein unterschied sein wird wenn man leisere oder lautere montiert. Aber wer sich das Auto kauft bekommt es so wie ihr es bekommt da ist es dann auch mit einer ähnlichen bereifung....
Wenn viel wind am testtag ist kann man das ja logischerweise auslassen ;).
Würde ich auch sehr begrüßen, aber das macht wahrscheinlich nur unter kontrollierten Bedingungen Sinn. Reifen, Fahrbahnbelag und auch Temperatur und natürlich auch Windrichtung und Stärke haben einen sehr großen Einfluss. Im Extremfall ist ein Polo dann leiser als ein A6.
Stimmt. Aber wenn die bedingungen noch im rahmen sind sprich, wenig wind, kein regen, kein wasser auf der straße...
Ich hätte einen vorschlag und zwar.
Macht einfach lautstärketests im Stand. Bei Leerlauf, 2000, 3000, 4000 U/min beim diesel und beim bein ziner halt die 5000 u/min eventl noch dazunehmen. da hat man die lautstärke zumindest für die drehzahlen falls man relativ flott bis 100 beschleunigt wo die windlaustärke noch keine bzw fast keine rolle spielt.
Somit kann man ganz gut hören wie gut der motor vom innenraum abgedämmt ist.
Did you have any luck following the braking problems in wet?
Audi says they know nothing about it. But in forums u can find the issue
@@autogefuehl maybe it's because it uses "disc wiping" feature, which only works when window wipers are turned on and the speeds are greater than 70 km/h: "A useful feature of the ESP 8.0 is 'disc wiping', whereby in wet weather the ESP system applies the brakes frequently but momentarily. This removes water from the disc and pad surfaces, and helps to maintain the braking performance of dry weather." Still doesn't explain why the car pulls to the left tough.
That rear legroom is a showstopper...
Haven’t experienced the pull when braking in the rain in my Audi A4
+Abage Goel thx 4 the feedback!
this version is far more beatiful than the orignal A4, like it
Super review Thomas, but where is driving offroad?I thing this car is better to drive offroad.Next time maybe???!
+Dado Bektas we dont have offroad areas
Autogefühl please come in Montenegro we have the best terains in Europe.
Htc Thomas, you know I just have to share Info on this fact with you. There's so many, sorry to say Idiots now day's making and streaming reviews on UA-cam. People who don't know the first thing about a vehicle or anything else they are filming reviews about. Just so irritating and hard to watch sometimes. On the other hand it's exceptional when a person who really knows what they are doing makes reviews. In this case just like you. For example in like 100 reviews about the A4 B9 I have seen so far. The 3.0 tdi 272hp quattro permanent is the one I am interested in and will probably buy 3 years old this summer. Not one reviewer mentioned the crucial difference in the 3.0 tdi 272hp quattro, transmission and gearbox system's when compared to all the rest. And in my mind, I am a huge motorhead and vehicles enthusiast ever since I can remember. Anyway, to me this is a very important and crucial peace of information about this Audi, or A4 Saloon S-line, with this same power output as I will probably buy it. Just mega, and not one self proclaimed Automotive journalist has mentioned this. So thanks Thomas, really keep up the good work. Nice jacket BTW ☻☻😉
Lovely car but it looks a bit boring.Great review Thomas!!What about head2head comparison of two vehicles in one video?That would be very nice as well.
thanks, join us for more!
Comparison tests are of course harder to plan and conduct and we literally also have a parking problem :)