Frozen in Time: the motherhood dilemma for single women in China

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  • Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
  • Fertility tourism is booming for single Chinese women with hopes of future motherhood.
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    China's birthrate is at a record low, yet unmarried women are not legally allowed to freeze their eggs there. We meet Lei and Abu, as they travel to the US for the procedure - battling self-doubt and scepticism along the way. What does this mean for womanhood and parenting in modern China?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 809

  • @sirmadam8183
    @sirmadam8183 2 місяці тому +659

    Thank you soooooo much for not dubbing the voices. I enjoy hearing the real voices.

    • @LiberRaider
      @LiberRaider 2 місяці тому +7

      It is interesting, I agree. The one downside is I can't listen to the documentary as I do chores. That's why I prefer dubbed.

  • @mannyme2986
    @mannyme2986 2 місяці тому +1199

    The influencer reminds me of something I have read recently:
    This is the generation with the happiest pictures and the saddest lives.

    • @blbjg5294
      @blbjg5294 2 місяці тому +105

      It's not like before was better. Just listen to old people, the awful things they went through and the hardships... We always tend to look back and think life was better, but is wasn't... It's just our brain tricking us

    • @Dhyaam5989
      @Dhyaam5989 2 місяці тому +18

      ​@@blbjg5294True. Some things were always better than past while some things are always better than past.

    • @Turnpost2552
      @Turnpost2552 2 місяці тому +9

      In Chinas Case things are alllllllloooottt better. There gdp was worse than Indias at one point.

    • @natashadickson4819
      @natashadickson4819 2 місяці тому +1

      ​​@@blbjg5294 Yes. Same as before.

    • @nexusyang4832
      @nexusyang4832 2 місяці тому +2

      Ain’t that the truth….

  • @Van_TT
    @Van_TT 2 місяці тому +272

    I found this documentary to be more engaging due to the cinematic storytelling. Well done to all involved!

    • @cheshire147
      @cheshire147 12 днів тому

      I like China id def go visit soak up the culture

  • @Alex-pr6zv
    @Alex-pr6zv 2 місяці тому +310

    The ending with the flame burning low and then petering out is very a poignant reminder that time takes no prisoners.

  • @selimae8539
    @selimae8539 2 місяці тому +333

    Stunning documentary. Congratulations to the film makers and best wishes to the two women.

  • @greedyreader15
    @greedyreader15 Місяць тому +26

    This is very enlightening, I enjoyed it. Having a chinese friend really helped me understand the different mindset, she said she would get married because she feels obligated to do so, and not doing so would bring shame to her family. She also told me of how despite being well off, her mother's family she was treated because of the fact that she was a girl. So yes, I'm all for single women going ahead and having children on their own, no child deserves to be their grandparents' less loved relative, nor do women deserve to have to settle down in loveless marriages.

  • @AArco-vc1jj
    @AArco-vc1jj 2 місяці тому +47

    "Humanity has no remedy for regret"
    Wow, that hit hard.

  • @sirmadam8183
    @sirmadam8183 2 місяці тому +215

    Whoever produced this did an amazing job.

    • @Goosher
      @Goosher 2 місяці тому +6

      Exactly! so glad they made this

  • @9000ck
    @9000ck 2 місяці тому +71

    What a beautifully made documentary. You rarely come across something of this quality. Plus - it is well edited.

  • @beaumont4045
    @beaumont4045 2 місяці тому +985

    Had a conversation with a colleague of mine back when I was stationed in Beijing. I asked them "China has an excess of 40 million men in the population as compared to women. How come there are so much negative news about women not being able to find a partner?" Then my colleague replied "Yes, there is an excess of men, but there is a deficit of GOOD men." So, yea... can't really argue against that logic.

    • @frenzybuzz3703
      @frenzybuzz3703 2 місяці тому +30

      Exactly 💯

    • @frenzybuzz3703
      @frenzybuzz3703 2 місяці тому +161

      Better to stay single than staying in unhealthy relationship.

    • @shinbi6009
      @shinbi6009 2 місяці тому +1

      Its just Chinese women are picky and want the top 10%.

    • @shinbi6009
      @shinbi6009 2 місяці тому +138

      All women thinks this way.

    • @alienkishorekumar
      @alienkishorekumar 2 місяці тому +143

      They all think they can do better.

  • @jlindsa
    @jlindsa 2 місяці тому +38

    Egg freezing is a borderline scam. By and large it, it helps women to feel better but that's mostly it.
    Various journalist have been reporting on the industry, what they promise, what the success rate looks like, and even when happens to the patients after they freeze their eggs. Whenever there is money to be made on people that feel "desperate" for a solution, its worth looking deeper at those companies.

  • @zevil89
    @zevil89 2 місяці тому +306

    People have to realize that East Asia has this weird culture wherein before you get married, the guy should already have a house and the guy solely pays for the wedding. In addition, the guy pays for the household expenses. The woman's income is solely hers and for her parents' support. There was this video in Asian Boss where a Chinese girl clearly said in China the guys pay for everything and she's break up with a guy who makes her pay her share. As to how the common person will be able to buy a house by his 30's is beyond me.
    Such burden is impossible in modern society where cost of living has risen to unreasonable figures. Even in the US, couples can't afford to be single income households.
    This is the reason why birth rate is down in ALL of East Asia. I don't know why this is not being talked about.

    • @hanispeace8006
      @hanispeace8006 2 місяці тому +64

      Not a weird culture though, its a man responsibility. If you cant take the responsibility means you cant afford to get married.

    • @sparkyin3d
      @sparkyin3d 2 місяці тому

      So, take it up with the government, don’t blame the women. They are as much of a victim as the men.

    • @mysterioanonymous3206
      @mysterioanonymous3206 2 місяці тому +88

      ​@@hanispeace8006😂 total b s

    • @kreedo5884
      @kreedo5884 2 місяці тому +82

      ​@@hanispeace8006 by that faulty logic, if the woman can't find a husband that can pay all the bills and provide a house, then she doesn't have the right to bare children.

    • @slevinlindsay3624
      @slevinlindsay3624 2 місяці тому +18

      "Weird" Culture?? have you watched Jerry Springer?

  • @Barbarossa-heir
    @Barbarossa-heir 2 місяці тому +79

    When she cried during that one rare dialogue with her father , I felt her deep and cried my heart out ...😢😢
    So many things lost , with little affection.

    • @Bordentown2830
      @Bordentown2830 2 місяці тому +35

      What is there to cry about? It's not that no man wants to marry these 30's career women. There are many poor men who want to marry her. The problem is that she is not ready to marry any of the poor men who want to marry her. She is ready to marry only rich men. And the rich men, whom she is trying to marry are not interested in marrying older 30's women like her. These rich men reject 30's career women and marry the younger 20's women. So, these 30's career women remain unmarried forever. In China, They are called leftover women.. And there are 100 million highly educated, high salary leftover women in China..

    • @chrismeyers5963
      @chrismeyers5963 2 місяці тому +21

      @@Bordentown2830 This, this right here, thank you. It seems a lot of goofballs in the comment section seem to not understand this 1 single bit because of their ego and wanting to blame men instead of holding women and their " decisions " accountable

    • @illapuproductions
      @illapuproductions 2 місяці тому +6

      @@Bordentown2830exactly she played herself

    • @saharkhalili5303
      @saharkhalili5303 2 місяці тому +23

      All the incel microsphere bros in your replies 💀

    • @chrismeyers5963
      @chrismeyers5963 2 місяці тому +7

      @@saharkhalili5303 Hmm, I'm not an incel my friend, stating facts doesn't make 1 an incel but bashing those who speak those facts does

  • @hl3517
    @hl3517 2 місяці тому +32

    This is the era where we can choose our own freedom to take care our body, health & financial. Marriage is a big step of sacrifice to these 3 things. It even depletes our time & mind. Be mindfulness to pick the choice because it is gonna drag you to the sadness or happiness.. Create your own path not follow others.

  • @nickelandimed
    @nickelandimed 2 місяці тому +110

    My husband and I are Chinese-American. We have 8 cats and 1 dog. We are expecting our first child next year at the age of 38. We spend very little time on social media. There's a lot of advice I could give but for now I want to say...if the world had less judgment and competition between people, and instead more unity and compassion, everyone will prosper.

    • @koalatheworld
      @koalatheworld 2 місяці тому +4

      I love it when you mentioned you had 8 cats ❤ I am a cat parent too 😊

    • @timetravellergec2043
      @timetravellergec2043 2 місяці тому +2

      Haya, 38 for first child???

    • @whatrtheodds
      @whatrtheodds 2 місяці тому +12

      Congratulations 🎉 I'm expecting my first at 36 😊

    • @nickelandimed
      @nickelandimed 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@@whatrtheodds Congrats to you as well 🎊 I hope you are doing well on your life's journeys 💜

    • @st.6959
      @st.6959 Місяць тому +1

      @@timetravellergec2043 this is more common now

  • @beatpirate8
    @beatpirate8 2 місяці тому +158

    this so parallels my life in the US as a single working woman. i wish for more but hard to make a life plan on your own. wishing you both much luck through your journey in life

    • @Fossils5481
      @Fossils5481 2 місяці тому +40

      The problem is that These 30's career women are only ready to marry men who are richer than herself, more educated than herself and getting more salary than herself.. But, these "top rich men" want to marry only 20's women. They don’t want to marry 30's career women. And these 30's career women are not willing to marry the poor men who are ready to marry her.. So, she remains unmarried forever.. while, The poor men go to the villages and marry poor women or marry women from Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines etc..

    • @Persistentdreamer91
      @Persistentdreamer91 2 місяці тому +9

      Sending love and positivity from 🇦🇺🤗 life has a way of surprising us, wishing you the best.

    • @nityasg2260
      @nityasg2260 2 місяці тому

      @@Fossils5481 Search about divorce rates of those marriages 2 & 5 years after those women get green card.

    • @suziepickes702
      @suziepickes702 2 місяці тому +18

      ​@@Fossils5481 incel

    • @rafaeldolfe
      @rafaeldolfe 2 місяці тому +4

      @@suziepickes702 im curious, what do you think is the reason for the problem?

  • @goodgamernavi
    @goodgamernavi 2 місяці тому +39

    Incredibly well done, I rarely have seen such good documentaries it feels the most human and yet so cinematic I have seen to date so props to you Guardian, keep it up.

  • @adw6894
    @adw6894 2 місяці тому +455

    I realize that people are very active in criticizing single moms, but they say nothing about men who abandon his children and don't even pay child support. Single moms are way better than those irresponsible dads.

    • @tigerbear3038
      @tigerbear3038 2 місяці тому +81

      What the heck are you talking about? These men are criticized just the same. And, child support is a more complicated issue. If a man was tricked into conceiving a child or the woman is initiated a divorce, then these might be some situations where it is not just for a man to pay child support.

    • @lenzi1345
      @lenzi1345 2 місяці тому +68

      ​@@tigerbear3038 if the woman initiated a divorce the Man should not support his children?
      This is an absurd connection to make..

    • @tigerbear3038
      @tigerbear3038 2 місяці тому +23

      @@lenzi1345 he should be given the choice if he wants to pay or not. Which part of it is absurd ?

    • @Jespidi
      @Jespidi 2 місяці тому +55

      @@tigerbear3038 His kids too. What logic is this?

    • @lenzi1345
      @lenzi1345 2 місяці тому +17

      @@tigerbear3038 so its the woman should be given the choice if she wants to care about the child.
      If she doesnt wants it than its the man's task

  • @WillowEverlight
    @WillowEverlight 2 місяці тому +170

    That's ridiculous that it's illegal there to freeze your eggs if you're not married.

    • @ablamill8357
      @ablamill8357 2 місяці тому

      It's an oppressive law by and oppressive lawmaking society.

    • @nityasg2260
      @nityasg2260 2 місяці тому +57

      Everyone's solution for low birth rate is somehow creating more pressure on women instead of making reproductive care / fertility treatment more accessible. You got some states in USA going after IVF . Here you got China that was talking about low birth rate concerns making it difficult for women to access fertility care . Eventually they'll probably see a 4B situation like SK .

    • @tigerbear3038
      @tigerbear3038 2 місяці тому +15

      It should be illegal.

    • @ablamill8357
      @ablamill8357 2 місяці тому +34

      It's a symptom of an oppressive society

    • @samysdefer
      @samysdefer 2 місяці тому +15

      conservative countries behave like that

  • @JohnSmith-mj8hn
    @JohnSmith-mj8hn 2 місяці тому +161

    "Translator: William Clegg"
    I guess that explains some of the inaccuracies and mistranslations that don't quite fit what was spoken.
    Just one example: "he zuo huo ban" is better off translated as "co-partner" or "co-operative partner". "Co-producer" conjures up such a different image and impression of what was said.

    • @sunbather1576
      @sunbather1576 2 місяці тому +24

      @@user-sz3cy2sm2w Actually, she looks and especially acts exactly like the kind of person that would call her partner a "co-producer". (EDIT: which doesn't mean that it isn't an incorrect translation, of course!)

    • @ozlekosusturu
      @ozlekosusturu 2 місяці тому +7

      Oooooh ok that does change the vibe.

    • @tiapina7048
      @tiapina7048 2 місяці тому +14

      I don't understand. Why the name of the translator gives you an explanation about the translation?

    • @mannyme2986
      @mannyme2986 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@sunbather1576 I thought the same!!

    • @jorsm.3893
      @jorsm.3893 2 місяці тому +22

      @@tiapina7048 I don't get it either + a literal translation is not always the best translation. She grinned right after as well, which seems to indicate she found what she said a bit funny, in that sense "co-producer" doesn't sound bad at all.

  • @Youwish34
    @Youwish34 2 місяці тому +14

    Losing a mother is grief like no other

  • @elicorsier4162
    @elicorsier4162 28 днів тому +5

    "Humankind has no remedy for regret." Well-spoken.

  • @NateTheNarrator
    @NateTheNarrator 2 місяці тому +10

    8:44 "Humankind has no remedy for regret. You must remember this."
    I felt those words in my soul because of how they ring so true. This life is no dress rehearsal, there are no do-overs or "load last save" options. The decisions we make can shape one's life, for better or for worse.

    • @NPJGlobal
      @NPJGlobal Місяць тому

      This should be a mandatory read for all post-modern feminists and incels

  • @frenzybuzz3703
    @frenzybuzz3703 2 місяці тому +202

    Chinese womem are doing great. Its infinity times better than being stuck in incompatible relationship like my aunts they are tortured in marriage

    •  2 місяці тому +58

      Do these women look happy to you?

    • @blbjg5294
      @blbjg5294 2 місяці тому +72

      Yes... Definitely more than the ones stuck in an unwanted marriage

    • @Fossils5481
      @Fossils5481 2 місяці тому +38

      These 30's career women are only ready to men who are richer than herself, more educated than herself and getting more salary than herself.. But, these "rich men" want to marry only 20's women. They don’t want to marry 30's career women. And these 30's career women are not willing to marry the poor men who are ready to marry her.. So, she remains unmarried forever.. The poor men go to the villages and marry poor women or marry women from Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines etc..

    • @adw6894
      @adw6894 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Fossils5481 Those "rich men" who want young girls are not genuine men anyway, they will cheat on their wives late. So unmarried 30 years old woman with a stable career and social life gonna be happier than being wives of those ungenuine men.

    • @adw6894
      @adw6894 2 місяці тому +41

      @@Fossils5481 Wise women would not want those men anyway

  • @lucasgdrezes
    @lucasgdrezes 2 місяці тому +63

    There are things you just don't tell your family. Specially when you already know they'll be against it.

    • @weidchar1646
      @weidchar1646 2 місяці тому +9

      They weren't harsh or anything. Simply giving their advice on what they think would lead to their daughter(s) having happier lives. What's the problem with that?

    • @evevoxx2053
      @evevoxx2053 2 місяці тому +13

      that one guy had some serious well thought out n deep foresight. he knows exactly where this is going. they wont lower their standards or settle now cuz they think they have this plan b.... why cant people understand that peace, belonging & relationships are a choice that requires hard work and dedication.

    • @1HeatWalk
      @1HeatWalk 2 місяці тому

      ​I agree. His point of her using this method and pushing the need to find a compatible partner sooner holds true.

    • @rc3398x
      @rc3398x 2 місяці тому +2

      Your advice is actually horrible. This won't end well. She is delaying the inevitable.

  • @GardeDuCoeur
    @GardeDuCoeur Місяць тому +5

    'Co-producer' In a few words, everything is said...

  • @randomjack1995
    @randomjack1995 2 місяці тому +9

    A disillusioned generation, our younger citizens were raise in a very optimistic period, but in their formative years everything is going worse.

  • @nyeusiafric
    @nyeusiafric Місяць тому +4

    This was deep, honest, real, and informative about today's human condition/experience. Thank you.

  • @mel_issa__
    @mel_issa__ 2 місяці тому +35

    Would love a documentary playlist @Guardian

    • @theGuardian
      @theGuardian  2 місяці тому +24

      No problem, here it is: ua-cam.com/play/PLa_1MA_DEorG7slzdtQy_SUTn5cACKFsn.html

    • @ishunyu
      @ishunyu Місяць тому +1

      @@theGuardian Ask and theGuardian shall deliver!

  • @FuuzBeeen
    @FuuzBeeen 2 місяці тому +68

    The orange hair lady with one of her family members telling her that she'll regret it, come on...and the dark haired lady got cheated on by him? man, both of these women look nice to me, I think they would be nice to get to know if they also have the intended promise of a family.

    • @wl6020
      @wl6020 2 місяці тому +33

      Their standards are very high. Average chinese women are looking for a top 20% guy at minnimum.

    • @letsdomath1750
      @letsdomath1750 2 місяці тому +50

      @@wl6020 The influencer had a partner already. He was not loyal. Her standards were not high enough.

    • @wl6020
      @wl6020 2 місяці тому +20

      @@letsdomath1750 oh her standards are high enough. He is not loyal because he has options, while an average chinese guy has no options. Biggest question is, can she lock him down and have him buy a ring, marry her.

    • @natashadickson4819
      @natashadickson4819 2 місяці тому +26

      ​@@wl6020 Don't lock down an unfaithful man. Let him go.

    • @wl6020
      @wl6020 2 місяці тому +15

      @@natashadickson4819 unfaithful men is unfaithful for a reason, it means he is doing something right to have so many options, either tall, rich, has game, handsome etc. Women wont settle for a average man with average height, money, etc.

  • @dominicm255
    @dominicm255 2 місяці тому +6

    This is deep. I hope the film makers continue to work together. Fantastic. Thank you

  • @counterculture10
    @counterculture10 2 місяці тому +32

    This is a very interesting documentary. As a Western man who has no experience on this topic, I really felt for these ladies. They seemed genuine and longed to be mothers. I hope they attain their dreams.

    • @Bordentown2830
      @Bordentown2830 2 місяці тому +13

      It's not that no man wants to marry these 30's career women. There are many poor men who want to marry her. The problem is that she is not ready to marry any of the poor men who want to marry her. She is ready to marry only rich men. And the rich men, whom she is trying to marry are not interested in marrying older 30's women like her. These rich men reject 30's career women and marry the younger 20's women. So, these 30's career women remain unmarried forever. In China, They are called leftover women.. And there are 100 million highly educated, high salary leftover women in China.

    • @adkldy8158
      @adkldy8158 2 місяці тому +3

      They are wrapped up in the unique values ​​of East Asia. I think this is something very deep. As an East Asian woman, I understand this feeling. We have a lot of anxiety about age and marriage and childbearing. Everyone in society will judge you, so seeing this really makes me feel very uncomfortable and heavy.

    • @jnd5706
      @jnd5706 2 місяці тому +11

      ​@@Bordentown2830Most women want to marry someone who is at least as intelligent and educated as they are. As a woman, intelligence is a huge turn on for me. I'm very educated and well travelled myself and don't typically find men who aren't those things attractive. Money doesn't really come into it (I have dated men who earn less than me); it's more about being able to have a decent conversation with someone.

    • @frwololo
      @frwololo 2 місяці тому +3

      I actually had a very hard time understanding the motivations of these two ladies. One admitted to not wanting to be a mother, but felt that it was her duty. The motivation of the second one wasn't very clear either, beyond "I'm getting old and I might one day regret not having kids".
      The documentary is well edited but at the end of the day I failed to understand the true reasons here. It also doesn't go into the legal details of the situation,which I fond very interesting. Surely pregnancy tourism like this is in a gray area legally? But there sems to be a whole industry of people profiting from it... That's an aspect they barely mention!

    • @Saltbrush0521
      @Saltbrush0521 2 місяці тому

      ​@@jnd5706... If the whole point is to get married and have a family with healthy children, what does a successful above 35+ year old woman have to offer a rich man that doesn't need or care about her salary or money?

  • @RichardPonsford-kv2uy
    @RichardPonsford-kv2uy 2 місяці тому +65

    It ain’t the 60’s no more. Women are independent, and the pipe and slippers days are well and truly over.

    • @yadusolparterre
      @yadusolparterre 2 місяці тому +16

      Women? Independent? In China? HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

    • @adw6894
      @adw6894 2 місяці тому +12

      @@yadusolparterre Yes. And that makes you mad?

    • @Rawlins7482
      @Rawlins7482 2 місяці тому +27

      A woman ain't single and lonely because she is Strong and Independent.. She is lonely because Nobody wants To Deal with her..

    • @DeniDays312
      @DeniDays312 2 місяці тому +22

      ​@Rhodohypoxis7482 does the same thing go for the millions of American men who are suicidal due to being lonely and sexless?

    • @darthvader3910
      @darthvader3910 2 місяці тому

      Niiiice ​@@DeniDays312

  • @janoraj4667
    @janoraj4667 2 місяці тому +8

    I feel so lucky to have a family this could easily have been me. I hope they will find their happiness

  • @DavidA-411
    @DavidA-411 Місяць тому +4

    Impressive video on a complicated, emotional, topic.
    It's never been easy to find the "right" partner. These days of immense options, the idea of success is much harder to define.
    What is it to have family when trust is so fleeting, even with the best intentions.

    • @NPJGlobal
      @NPJGlobal Місяць тому

      any path to going back to a world of fewer options and more pragmatism in one's choices?

  • @HarukiYamamoto
    @HarukiYamamoto 2 місяці тому +29

    7:07 the parents are right. Freezing eggs is not 100% guaranteed.

    •  2 місяці тому +26

      Nothing in life is 100% guaranteed..

    • @nityasg2260
      @nityasg2260 2 місяці тому +2

      Exactly

    • @Ffollies
      @Ffollies 2 місяці тому +9

      It's not even close to guaranteed. I believe the success rate is pretty low, maybe 20% for those trying to conceive using frozen eggs. It's not very successful usually.

    • @nityasg2260
      @nityasg2260 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Ffollies Depends on the number of eggs frozen & the age.

    • @Ffollies
      @Ffollies 2 місяці тому +5

      @@nityasg2260 Yes of course we all know that, but overall for women who chose this path, it's usually unsuccessful. Also considering the cost, it should be a last resort IMO.

  • @MrMark595
    @MrMark595 2 місяці тому +34

    Modernity had brought many great advancements but also huge disruption-socially, culturally and economically. Traditions, norms, rituals have been swept away-some good, some bad-a sense of community lost and probably gone forever. It has left us many of us unmoored and desperately, desperately lonely. Rampant materialism does not help. These two women are not happy. In fact they seem sad.

    • @katinkaraab1964
      @katinkaraab1964 2 місяці тому +7

      You mean, it would be better to still female Babys? Like they did in China?

    • @frenzybuzz3703
      @frenzybuzz3703 2 місяці тому +26

      It's still better than staying or being trapped I'm abusive relationships. Remember in the past women were firced and rped in marriages and were not even able to divorce so current time is better 😊

    • @frenzybuzz3703
      @frenzybuzz3703 2 місяці тому +7

      It's still better than staying or being trapped I'm abusive relationships. Remember in the past women were firced and rped in marriages and were not even able to divorce so current time is better 😊

    • @frenzybuzz3703
      @frenzybuzz3703 2 місяці тому +5

      In the past women were not able to leave abusive relationship and it's better to stay single than being stuck in an incompatible relationship..😊

    • @MrMark595
      @MrMark595 2 місяці тому +3

      @@katinkaraab1964 No, that isn't what I'm saying-that's one of those 'so you're saying' platitudes you are using. That's a bad faith argument. You are trying to put words in my mouth. You must try and be more nuanced in arguments and less reflexively ideological.

  • @RedPanda79
    @RedPanda79 2 місяці тому +19

    😢such a lack of supportive family

  • @DonChups
    @DonChups 2 місяці тому +3

    Thanks for making this dosumentary and uploading it. It's really interesting and touching.

  • @drosera8943
    @drosera8943 Місяць тому +2

    Abu's cats are so adorably fluffy! I hope both women find satisfaction in life whether or not marriage or children happen. It is rare to have everything you want and be content.

    • @jayrollo1352
      @jayrollo1352 Місяць тому

      That's why they are single. They're holding out for the perfect man who doesn't exist.

  • @drummerfreak69
    @drummerfreak69 2 місяці тому +55

    should do one from the Male perspective.. it will be interesting to see the similarities and contrast..

    • @Fossils5481
      @Fossils5481 2 місяці тому +36

      This is the male perspective... The poor Chinese men go to the villages and marry poor women or marry women from Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines etc.. These 30's career women are only ready to men who are richer than herself, more educated than herself and getting more salary than herself.. But, these "rich men" want to marry only 20's women. They don’t want to marry 30's career women. And these 30's career women are not willing to marry the poor men who are ready to marry her.. So, she remains unmarried forever..

    • @DeniDays312
      @DeniDays312 2 місяці тому +15

      ​@Fontana5481 what documentary did you see that in?

    • @douglei4413
      @douglei4413 2 місяці тому

      ​@@DeniDays312. UA-cam. "Leftover woman."

    • @skillbopster
      @skillbopster 2 місяці тому +8

      LOL the guardian is anti-male.

    • @rpaafourever7908
      @rpaafourever7908 2 місяці тому +14

      ​@@Fossils5481 Over simplified.. men need to learn to look within and become emotionally intelligent.. projecting blaming as reality check wont cut it anymore

  • @drummerfreak69
    @drummerfreak69 2 місяці тому +4

    This is brilliantly put together! Well Done The Guardian.

  • @tonyah3488
    @tonyah3488 2 місяці тому +31

    Beautifully made and so poignant

  • @beanzbeanz
    @beanzbeanz 2 місяці тому +4

    Cinematic. Beautifully shot and directed.

  • @cultusdeus
    @cultusdeus 2 місяці тому +4

    Dramatic. But most of these procedures aren't successful.

  • @sinhaashish54
    @sinhaashish54 2 місяці тому +8

    We all complain about things not happening in our lives but fail to look beyond our biases that may have role in perpetuating those failed plans.

    • @casioak1683
      @casioak1683 2 місяці тому

      I love how in the other comments say "this is our choice" "for independence" "free women" yet at the same time: lonely & depressed

    • @kilujuma1234
      @kilujuma1234 2 місяці тому

      ​@@casioak1683like any men that cheats

  • @whatrtheodds
    @whatrtheodds 2 місяці тому +1

    The art🎨🎭 the talent ❤ the skill. Thankyou for doing such quality work for this documentary!!!! I was so invested while watching.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

  • @derpderpderpPSN
    @derpderpderpPSN 2 місяці тому

    4:33 As a Tianjin native, hearing her say "today" in that thick authentic Tianjin accent was 👌👌👌👌👌

  • @DonCE0
    @DonCE0 2 місяці тому

    that bit where she told the family was so intense, i had to pause to take a breather.

  • @jamesdrake3651
    @jamesdrake3651 2 місяці тому +8

    No one can have it all. Not men. Not women.

  • @salmon.samurai8469
    @salmon.samurai8469 Місяць тому +1

    I felt for Abi when they were versing her with the visa. I totally understand as governments have to be careful and screen people....but she doesnt deserve that hard time either....

  • @rosie90
    @rosie90 8 днів тому

    Not sure why they told her she couldn't get pregnant with pcos. My mum was able to have me through ivf and conceive my sister naturally.

  • @ronaldkable
    @ronaldkable 2 місяці тому +2

    These are very real, very human people

  • @clothyardshafts
    @clothyardshafts 2 місяці тому +6

    Excellent work and so informative.

  • @geinikan1kan
    @geinikan1kan 2 місяці тому +3

    Brilliantly moving and touching film. This is what documentary can do.

  • @god563616
    @god563616 Місяць тому

    I had no idea the more you age the more you miss your loved ones . It sometimes is a hard feeling to deal with.

  • @evelyna_paula1747
    @evelyna_paula1747 2 місяці тому +1

    The Guardian has earnt a lot from the BBC. I think some of its employees are former BBC journlists.

  • @TheMRmatt007
    @TheMRmatt007 10 днів тому +1

    In this world pets have more rights than women, let that sink in.

  • @hempstonesmithotieno2379
    @hempstonesmithotieno2379 2 місяці тому +2

    Beautiful piece. Cinematic. Enjoyed it ❤

  • @dlewis8405
    @dlewis8405 2 місяці тому +15

    I have to agree with the male relative who advises against egg freezing because her subconscious will lead her astray. She will just put off addressing why she isn't having a child now, or at least earnestly finding a partner if a family is what she really wants.

    • @havealavalyday543
      @havealavalyday543 2 місяці тому +6

      Or it might not make her put off addressing it, and it might be the safest decision for her.

  • @saharkhalili5303
    @saharkhalili5303 2 місяці тому +13

    Beautiful. This is a difficult and excruciating time for women, without much guidance support or sympathy, women feel really lost. I'm 37 now. The period between 31-35 was especially stressful and ultimately, humiliating. Why

    • @ibiro868
      @ibiro868 2 місяці тому +4

      Time ran out

    • @Youwish34
      @Youwish34 2 місяці тому +2

      Why didn’t you travel and further your education. Volunteer in your community. Adopted or foster children?

    • @saharkhalili5303
      @saharkhalili5303 2 місяці тому +2

      😂 the audacity. You don't know anything about me, you're projecting

    • @Youwish34
      @Youwish34 2 місяці тому +5

      @@saharkhalili5303 you are the one saying women feel really lost. Why do you speak of all women? Women you are the one projecting 😂.

    • @casioak1683
      @casioak1683 2 місяці тому +4

      ​@@Youwish34adopting a child is not as simple as buying smartphone from online store. You will be surprised with the adopted child later in life because she/he is not genetically similar with you, expect a surprise comes from her/his personality.

  • @arachnid4910
    @arachnid4910 2 місяці тому +2

    this was really well done

  • @sneakytaze5336
    @sneakytaze5336 Місяць тому +2

    So basically like any Nordic country? The girl with the black hair I mean, hard to find the right people and connect in a society like Finland where personal space is a big deal, and people are very anti-social usually whenever meeting new people or in public.

  • @MiMiiViVi
    @MiMiiViVi 2 місяці тому +4

    We don't need more population growth. We are twice the limit now, There's nothing wrong with not having children and there are plenty of wonderful, orphaned children that need loving homes instead.

  • @DavidZ4-gg3dm
    @DavidZ4-gg3dm 2 місяці тому +55

    At the same time, the world's poorest have a ridiculous number of kids, not caring that they can't provide for them.

    • @ChartreuseDan
      @ChartreuseDan 2 місяці тому +3

      "-watch your life slide out of view so you dance and drink and 🪛 because there's nothing else to do" - Jarvis Cocker

    • @elenarewd9299
      @elenarewd9299 2 місяці тому +13

      Maybe the poorest are more worthy of having children than the richest…..

    • @everythingisfine9988
      @everythingisfine9988 2 місяці тому +2

      @@elenarewd9299 Not if most (if not all) of those kids ⚰🪦

    • @dougmacgregor5053
      @dougmacgregor5053 2 місяці тому +1

      @DavidZ4-gg3dm & everythingsfine9988
      "At the same time, the world's poorest have a ridiculous number of kids, not caring that they can't provide for them." Wow DavidZ4, do you ever have first world problems. And likely white too. They can't get an abortion because of their religion (sound familiar) they cant get birth control products, even condoms in many countries, again their religion and the society. Do you really believe that a mother and father don't care if their children are malnourished? Regardless of where they live, like maybe America? You've actually met such mothers, have you? You have no concept of what you just had to say about poor white people. You don't get it do you...

    • @mel_issa__
      @mel_issa__ 2 місяці тому +1

      ​Maybe that's why they have many children. Ever think of that? ​@@everythingisfine9988

  • @jxy1986
    @jxy1986 2 місяці тому +28

    她的情况跟我差不多,但父亲比我的父亲好。我父亲嘴里永远不会说出那么好的话来。断子绝孙也挺好的。

  • @Sisterlisk
    @Sisterlisk 2 місяці тому +1

    How long does a loving couple need to put off marriage for? They're adorable together.

  • @ca8099
    @ca8099 2 місяці тому +2

    This was beautifully done

  • @jasminland4007
    @jasminland4007 19 годин тому

    On the one hand, it is a way of feeling secure in this world occupied by the limited-minded humanity. On the other hand this is far too hurtful: I wish women could just feel free and happy - no matter what!-with or without a child. It is just a child in a world, where so many children are suffering.

  • @walsakaluk1584
    @walsakaluk1584 2 місяці тому +5

    Egg storage facilities can and do fail.
    Here's hoping.
    These are not what you'd describe as functional, lucid individuals in a normal world. There's an element of irrational indulgence in this.

  • @speakerffone
    @speakerffone 2 місяці тому +9

    can anyone explain what the random guy at 11:00 says?

    • @GnosisJapan
      @GnosisJapan 2 місяці тому +1

      I want to know that too.

    • @cashmeoussai1061
      @cashmeoussai1061 2 місяці тому +5

      I think he’s saying “来拍直播呢”, which translates to “Oh she’s doing livestream now”

    • @speakerffone
      @speakerffone 2 місяці тому

      @@cashmeoussai1061 thanks!

    • @dbbd_sg
      @dbbd_sg 2 місяці тому

      i think he's saying "她拍直播的" (She is filming a livestream)

    • @newcreation1cor517
      @newcreation1cor517 2 місяці тому

      He's clearly commenting on her 直播 (Livestream), but it's a bit hard to tell since you really only hear a couple words in the sentence.

  • @kainewme743
    @kainewme743 2 місяці тому +5

    This is just like a movie.

  • @VijaygKamat
    @VijaygKamat 6 днів тому

    I prefer FRESH Eggs over Frozen ones.

  • @evanwiechert3168
    @evanwiechert3168 Місяць тому

    Fertility tourism is a global issue, this is happening practically everywhere in the world right now

  • @ToastedBagel5G
    @ToastedBagel5G Місяць тому

    I think this will be more common going into the future based on the direction we're heading

  • @User40919
    @User40919 2 місяці тому +9

    This goes for both men and women, having fancy cars and houses can only bring so much joy. Having a family is worth more than silver and gold.

    • @i.m.9918
      @i.m.9918 2 місяці тому +11

      Actually…it isn’t….if it’s a dysfunctional family-of which there are millions. Sorry…but reflexive reductionism serves no one.

    • @alejandratorres3857
      @alejandratorres3857 2 місяці тому +7

      It’s relative.. not all the people have the same goals

    • @Youwish34
      @Youwish34 2 місяці тому +2

      Yea dysfunctional family ain’t worth it.

    • @zah936
      @zah936 2 місяці тому

      Wrong

    • @candygirl7586
      @candygirl7586 2 місяці тому +1

      Truth, Thank you. Dysfunctional, relative, wrong, are blanket statement that only fit certain circumstances. A child is a Gift to be treasured.

  • @Saltbrush0521
    @Saltbrush0521 2 місяці тому +12

    This video left out intentionally or not intentionally the leftover men (光棍)which dated way before the leftover women(剩女). And yes, the women are the ones choosing. In China, typically a woman ask a home (very expensive in China), a car (German ones preferred) and a large sum of cash (彩礼) payable to the woman's parents or the woman herself as the mandatory condition to get married. This problem is quite complicated with historical and social imbalance reasons. It is way more complex than the typicall western feminists' complaining of men supressing women situation.

  • @lalina1304
    @lalina1304 20 днів тому

    What not rather go to Japan, its closer and possibly cheaper than paying in dollars. A lady who lives in South Korea also could get fertility treatment then she went to Japan to do it. I think it's even better to go to Australia.

    • @marwane182
      @marwane182 2 дні тому

      because usa gives passport to child australian and japan doesn't

  • @sparkyin3d
    @sparkyin3d 2 місяці тому +14

    As a mother of four children, there’s no physical experience in this universe that came close to the love I felt except with the grandchildren ❤! It’s as close to connecting to the divine as I have come in the physical. ❤

    • @rpaafourever7908
      @rpaafourever7908 2 місяці тому +6

      You don't speak for everyone, every human being is already connected to the divine

    • @natashadickson4819
      @natashadickson4819 2 місяці тому

      ​@@rpaafourever7908⭐️

    • @natashadickson4819
      @natashadickson4819 2 місяці тому +5

      There's no way that this is true for every woman. Otherwise, there would be no abuse or neglect in the world.

    • @sparkyin3d
      @sparkyin3d 2 місяці тому +1

      @@rpaafourever7908 Thank you for the reminder love, I have edited my reply to speak for myself

    • @ibiro868
      @ibiro868 2 місяці тому +1

      So poetic. Are you looking for a 5th 😍😍??

  • @jephteyiphtah3458
    @jephteyiphtah3458 2 місяці тому +12

    The real question is who is this suitable giy they will suddenly come across in their mid to late 30s. If the guy hasn't come acress by now. What makes you thing he'll suddenly fall. From the skies when you're older.

    • @MEADiaz
      @MEADiaz 2 місяці тому +14

      I met my husband at 36 and became naturally pregnant at 40. He was worth the wait, would not change anything

    • @victoriaporsiempre
      @victoriaporsiempre 2 місяці тому +10

      @@MEADiazsame here! healthy children with 37 and mid 40ies
      you have to have faith and believe that is possible
      but some don’t believe, like the one in this comment

    • @jephteyiphtah3458
      @jephteyiphtah3458 2 місяці тому +14

      @@MEADiaz do you think that's realistic for most women in this situation, or your'e just spouting this
      " HOPE" nonsense because you don't care about the world at large, outside of your personal experience

    • @MEADiaz
      @MEADiaz 2 місяці тому +7

      @@jephteyiphtah3458 yes actually. Many are getting married older. If you want to marry young, do you, be happy but let others do the same

    • @MEADiaz
      @MEADiaz 2 місяці тому +6

      @@victoriaporsiempre yes! It definitely can. I never wanted marry young, as the oldest of seven children I saw how much my mother went through, she married at 17 and I promised myself to never do that

  • @NoctLightCloud
    @NoctLightCloud 2 місяці тому +5

    4:17 his reaction is kinda messed up. she should ditch him. so many men even in their 30s want to play around and never have responsibilities.

    • @JamesPain1203
      @JamesPain1203 Місяць тому +2

      If she was wife material then he would have married her already.

  • @gardenjoy5223
    @gardenjoy5223 2 місяці тому +10

    That family drives me crazy. She can't wait till 35, that's the problem. A female relative rather has it the 'natural' way. Yeah, SHE TOO. But you can't get her a matching husband out of the magic hat, now can you?

    • @grr5947
      @grr5947 2 місяці тому +6

      If at 35 you are still waiting for the perfect Prince Charming sure, you can't

    • @gardenjoy5223
      @gardenjoy5223 2 місяці тому +1

      @@grr5947 ??? "If at 35" ???
      That's years away here.

    • @Incog05
      @Incog05 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@grr5947the truth is that prince doesn't exist

  • @bevs9995
    @bevs9995 2 місяці тому +5

    freezing your eggs is no big deal. a bad marriage can cut years off your life. Is divorce somehow better? Looks just as embarrassing to me.

  • @08Pixel
    @08Pixel 8 днів тому

    What does the boyfriend even mean that he thinks the influencer is like a "little boy"?

  • @TomGrob
    @TomGrob 2 місяці тому +5

    ReplicantPhish: Sheng Nu 😂

  • @XiraKira13
    @XiraKira13 2 місяці тому

    Great documentary!

  • @mikewizoski7593
    @mikewizoski7593 6 днів тому

    The more people do IVF the more the technology will improve. Maybe today the frozen eggs aren’t that successful but in the future the technology improves. Eggs can bre frozen for a very long time

  • @selenaclarke
    @selenaclarke 2 місяці тому +4

    I really enjoyed learning about these Chinese Woman. More please, very beautiful

  • @daithimccaffrey
    @daithimccaffrey 2 місяці тому

    What alovely and moving piece and it speaks to oppression.

  • @AtheistEve
    @AtheistEve 2 місяці тому +15

    Lovely. Now do a documentary showing two hundred women who absolutely love being single and child-free.

    • @DoubleStankyLegs
      @DoubleStankyLegs 2 місяці тому +7

      They did it’s call girls gone wild

    • @AtheistEve
      @AtheistEve 2 місяці тому +2

      @@DoubleStankyLegs I’m talking about women, not girls. Women who have been living happy, full, rich, connected lives. There are many child-free and/or unmarried people who are thriving. We can all find the one or two examples of a small local problem. But let’s not get it out of proportion.

    • @ortros1
      @ortros1 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@AtheistEvedo you think most of the single people are happy, rich, well-connected and thriving? Don't get me wrong, there are also plenty of married people who are miserable; however I don't think it's a majority though. And I also agree with you (I'm assuming you mean this - even though you didn't express it out loud): marriage and parenthood aren't for everybody.

    • @jkc877
      @jkc877 2 місяці тому +1

      @@AtheistEve they will always say they are happy even if they aren't

    • @AtheistEve
      @AtheistEve 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jkc877 If you are going to deny someone’s personal testimony, why would you bother to watch _any_ documentary like this one?
      Or, do you only accept someone’s personal testimony when it’s something you agree with?

  • @danielshaw-smith2766
    @danielshaw-smith2766 2 місяці тому +4

    Harsh when Dad calls you out for being a cat lady.

  • @StutteringJourney-ic3sp
    @StutteringJourney-ic3sp Місяць тому +4

    why is being a mother to a family, seen as a distraction?

    • @ithinkiknowme6450
      @ithinkiknowme6450 Місяць тому +9

      Because a woman has to do physical labour for her family 24/7 for free while a man can get paid by his boss and he can leave or cheat anytime he wants.. The amount of hardwork mothers put in the family can solely be represented by the fact that they can never have a secret second family...
      Women are at much higher risk in marriage and life due to men..

    • @StutteringJourney-ic3sp
      @StutteringJourney-ic3sp Місяць тому +2

      @@ithinkiknowme6450 Ok, and a man can work his whole life and then the woman decides to divorce, take half of his money and take the kids. Both sides of a marriage can break down, that's why we must only mary people we love and trust....

    • @tunkytunky
      @tunkytunky Місяць тому +7

      It can be, if you have hobbies/ goals. But as a mother, that stuff takes a backseat only while your children are toddlers. From about kindergarten age they're much easier to manage and since they're in school, it's easier to get back into the things you love or start working again. Even if you homeschool they become easy to deal with. My 11 year old just like to chill and read Harry Potter all day on the weekends, if I let her. A lot of non-moms don't seem to remember kids get more independent.
      I think in East Asia there is a problem in which women are often expected to taken care of their in-laws, so marriage becomes a prison in which she is enslaved to her mother- in-law. I've witnessed this first- hand! My husband's mother had to take care of her abusive mother in law all her life, even though she should have been "free" rather early since she only had one child. That's an easy problem to solve, just don't live with your in-laws and create strong boundaries (which is exactly what I did. Told my husband while we were still dating that I won't deal with his mom beyond the bare minimum. Saved A LOT of stress for me)

    • @StutteringJourney-ic3sp
      @StutteringJourney-ic3sp Місяць тому +1

      @@tunkytunky I get that, thanks for sharing

  • @adkldy8158
    @adkldy8158 2 місяці тому +2

    They are wrapped up in the unique values ​​of East Asia. I think this is something very deep. As an East Asian woman, I understand this feeling. We have a lot of anxiety about age and marriage and childbearing. Everyone in society will judge you, so seeing this really makes me feel very uncomfortable and heavy.🥲Living abroad for so long I feel like I've escaped from this culture, but this video really makes me depressed

  • @johnalver
    @johnalver 2 місяці тому +1

    You know the government could make safe drugs they just choose not too!

  • @Ganymede_V
    @Ganymede_V 2 місяці тому +3

    6:00 "men and women have equal rights !" screams every xys. Well apparently not.

  • @cofa4011
    @cofa4011 2 місяці тому +23

    F this era...

  • @nivmhn
    @nivmhn 2 місяці тому

    This was a great documentary.

  • @dougmacgregor5053
    @dougmacgregor5053 2 місяці тому +3

    well done!

  • @justaloner9033
    @justaloner9033 Місяць тому

    What about ADOPTION?

  • @omarleyaziafon6820
    @omarleyaziafon6820 2 місяці тому

    Sorry someone gives me the title of the music played at 1:35....