Brakes DELETED still has Grinding Noise! Rusted out 2011 Kia Sorento 2.4 3.6
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- At some point, the parking brakes were worn or severely rusted, this was causing some grinding noises. The parking brake hardware was removed by another mechanic in order stop the noise. Howere, after deleting the brakes, there was still a noise caused by used or worn out wheel bearings. We are going to tear down the rear hubs and backing plates to replace the whole assemblies on a Kia Sorento.
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This is my car. The e-brakes were sacrificed earlier this year in NJ when the new rear calipers were put on. At that point, we knew we were escaping NJ and would look at either getting rid of the car or fixing it once we got down here. With Ray's help and advice, I decided to go ahead on repairs (there's more work to go on it and those parts are being walked over from Korea, apparently). It's all good, because I don't need the car right away, and I know Ray is going to do an awesome job with it.
And since he didn't tell us... there's about 153k miles on it. And I experienced the worst sphincter pucker ever when he said "This is going well".
Escaping Joisey, or any NE state up to the NH border (even NH lately is falling to lunacy) is a wise move. Bonus?...no more shoveling snow. 🤘
In no time at all you'll know everything about wet n dry vac's and AC systems. 🤪
Did you go to R.R.R. because of the channel?
@@clbcl5 I've been a fan of Ray's since back when he was in the old shop doing the doodly doos. When we moved down here, we're close enough to Bradenton (about an hour away) that I chose to have Ray look at it because I know he's a great mechanic because of his channel, rather than take my chances with an unknown shop.
Smart move. Finding a good car guy is tough.@@Torgonius
@@Torgonius yeah I want to bring him one of my cars down from near Atlanta just to have Ray go over it. Very impressed with him and his skill and integrity over the past few years
Am a big believer in visual demonstration, as my dad always says " a picture is worth more than a thousand words. ". Great job Ray.
Ray, you are 100% correct about showing someone the way to do something the right way. That is how people learn. Not by trial and error. This was my lesson to a flight instructor. He had me learning crosswind landings. One after another I did not get it. He said keep doing it, you will. Then I said "you do one. I want to see how you do it" I watched and I got it the 1st time after that. You can not let someone keep struggling to get it right when one demonstration gets it done.
At the last place I worked at before I retired, there were more than a few maintenance people who regarded any advice as "band camp stories".
Arguing with someone about how to work on a device that can kill you is as foolhardy as arguing with a flight instructor, but I encountered it many times in my 43 years.
The flight instructor gave you a valuable lesson. You learned how not to do crosswind landings before you learned how to do them by that instructor. Learning by failure first leads to more successful proper learning.
Is that how a surgeon learns?@@billhennie
@@Leon-qc7feit was the comment a surgeon friend of mine told me. Surgeon’s have a big checklist of surgeries with three tasks: 1)watch. 2)do. 3)teach. I use the same approach for teaching intern and junior engineers and also used with my kids when they were learning how to write 20 page papers in early highschool. Far too much of technique is taught via tribal knowledge. The step of teaching is surprisingly important to solidify the knowledge.
I agree especially with showing some people will try to hide their hand movements while instructing someone a job. I always showed people to do it right the first time and more if needed.
God bless the workers
Always nice when a rusty vehicle from the north Goes smooth on disassembly when bolts are rusty but they come out smooth makes you smile and makes the day better 13:00 @Rainman Ray's Repairs
Eric O. looking at all that crusty rusty mess, he be like, "sh!!!!!t son, that's like a new car around here".
Learning by example is most often the best way, learning by hard knocks is often expensive. Great job Ray
It's horrible seeing people having so much fun while they are working. Management will be notified. 😅
Great job as always, Ray. It's good to see you in a better mood ever since you opened your own shop.
Boy if there was just an H/R.
Human Ray?
Wife unit is H/R
But really miss the doalydoadoo. 😂
Maybe edit one or two in your content just for fun.
We all learn by doing.
If our dad's didn't let us try on their cars we wouldn't have learned.
And Kudos to you Ray and another auto shop that gives a young man a chance .
If Troy is shown the right way, he will learn the right way.
You did the right thing Ray in showing Troy how to do the extraction. First part of learning is to watch and learn.
It's OK watching you and Troy fix things together. The bantering is fine if it's respectful.
yeah if Troy would been alone, and a bolt or stud be that stuck maybe harder to solve. :)
Ray got just about the right balance in this one. Teamwork is a good way to share skills.
The description of a surgical procedure is “Watch one, Do one”, Teach one”. I think Ray’s involvement was perfect. It was more like, “Teach an individual to fish…”.
Many jobs are like that, usually one man per job, but on occasion put two on certain jobs to just knock it out.
anyone know who the third guy is working inside the mustang at around 18 minutes
Ray not only are you a great mechanic you are a great teacher to show a person how to do something.
Troy is a great employee and has an awesome personality. I would rather work with a person who is inexperienced and willing to listen and learn than someone who thinks they know everything and won't take suggestions to better themselves!! You guys are the best keep up the good work!!
Who is Troy. Ive missed the past months right before ray finished the new lift spot in the shop
Give me visual schooling every time!! I have gained some of my best know-how by watching people do things (whether they did it right or wrong). My dad always told me, "Learn from other people's mistakes when you can, and not your own mistakes".
Troy is fortunate to be able to learn from one of the best !
Always good to make sure that vehicle is working properly with the required equipment!
I've had many apprentices over the years. Everyone is different. They all learn their own ways. As tradesmen we recognise this and teach accordingly. We'll done Ray on showing the young fella how to do it.
I totally agree with Ray and give him credit where due. When it comes to total hands-on physical work, being shown how to do something is 90% of it.
Troy now knows there are several different options he can apply when it comes to running into repair situations outside of the norm.
I've seen lots of comments from viewers, thanking Ray for showing / educating them on how to do certain repairs. It would be funny if Ray said to the viewers, "I'm going to edit out the repair part because I want you to figure it out for yourself.
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I agree... but I also think that bolt/stud extraction was kind of a (very) basic job. I can't imagine Troy never had to drill out a bolt or use a pneumatic hammer to force it out... but meanwhile is doing engine and brake work.
Ray also has the hydraulic press: is there any reason not to use it instead ?
not always the case, theres a good chance every issue he faced was rather easy. I fix cars and it took me atlest a year before i encountered a stuck or broken bolt that didnt come out with a little hammer action. As a newbie at that time I was not fullt aware of the other methods like drilling them out etc, or welding bolts to the broken stud and backing it out, and if i was I WAS A NEWBIE!!! you think a new guy is going to start hacking on exspensive parts of somebody elses car? no fucking way. so when an experienced guy or the owner can just come show you the thing because telling you doesnt get the entire point across seeing it in action does, and that makes it easier to deal with that the next time it happens@@MickayG
Troy has changed so much since he started with you, not camera shy now, confident in his own ability to see a job through, can take a joke and give it back, mainly down to your ability to teach in a friendly way and make him not feel useless when he has to ask and accept advice, He is a good asset to your business well done, when I first started here in UK in the 70s we were thrown in at the deep end and just got so much stick for when something was wrong, we were made to feel useless.
I'm so happy to see you working side by side with Troy, you should do more of it. He will learn so much from you, it makes my heart happy
THANK YOU for specifying that the parking brake is in fact, just that, a PARKING brake, not an "emergency" or "e" brake. I get so tired of people calling it that...
It was nice having an easy job with no broken bolts or stripped threads.
Dont jinx it.
I agree, a job without the OMG moments. It's better on the pay and the back.
Ray, you are the best. Not only are you teachong Troy about being a good mechanic. You are also teaching him about good Australian movies and actors (Mad Max was 1979, Mad Max 2, also known as the Road Warrior was 1981, Beyond Thunderdome with Tina Turner was 1985)
That was awesome for an easy job for once and it was great to see you and Troy enjoy the job together.
Ray,ray,ray....nothing wrong with showing Troy a better way to tackle a tough situation...been turning wrenches since I was nine and am not afraid to admit that I don't know everything and always appreciate learning a better way to do something...that side eye from Troy cracked me up...really enjoy the videos...glad the shop is doing well...much love to all of you from your buddy in rusty Ohio😊😊😊😊😊
My father pounded it through my thick skull that it is a "Parking Brake", not an emergency brake. I remember being around 10-11 years old the first time he got on me about it as I moved his truck around his small hay and alfalfa farm. It annoys me when people call it an emergency brake.
As long as Troy was standing there watching and learning, I see no issue with you doing the work to show him how it is done, as long as he learns.
Have a wonderful day, Ray.
Ray you did the right thing by showing him so he could see how it's done. That's the right thing to do ray teaching him is a good thing😊😊😊😊
Ray, you are correct. In the world of EMS that I used to be in and was an instructor, I would teach show and then have them do. 1st time every time they would get it. Never failed. Good job sir.
My school’s mantra: See one . . . Do one . . . Teach one.
You did a spectacular repair on this Kia. A dealer could not have done better. Well done Sir!
19:45 Pretty sweet that comes as an assembly, the backing plates with the parking brake hardware all pre-installed.
Edit: It was ghetto AF that the parking brake was missing in the first place, did the right thing insisting they get installed.
Old school medicine that I learned under; “see one, do one, teach one”. I agree with your teaching method with Castor Troy.
“No one ever hit that lever during an emergency”
Speak for yourself, Ray! I certainly have. Made it home safe too.
Me too ! Lost brakes on an old Ford LTD going down a 4% grade. Scared the shit out of me. Engaged the emergency brake and actually brought me to stop eventually. So yes, it can save your life
I’ll 3rd that. My brake line ruptured and I lost brakes. Also the ”real” reason they are called emergency brakes is because when hydraulic brakes were introduced, people didn’t trust them and car manufacturers had to add a backup, mechanical brake to ensure people
I was looking for this comment. I've heard of people using the parking/emergency brakes when the regular brake system failed.
Yep, blew a line in morning traffic once and you can bet I was threshold braking with the ole handbrake to slow down
But unfortunately, thanks to the new electronic parking brake, there is no way to do that anymore.
I used to do auto mechanical work back in the 1960s and a little into the 1970s. I like how you guys have so much better tools nowadays.
Happy hump day Ray. Working on a Rusty Northern Kia. This will be a great video.
First Mad Max movie is 1979.
I like it when someone shows me how things are done.just like you.that’s how you learn things by watching someone doing it
Ya know, for that being a northern car, it sure did come apart quite nicely. It's much easier to learn by either being hands-on or being shown in real time, I absolutely agree with you 💯 Ray!! Great video, sir. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's video already❤
Have a great day EVERYONE in Ray land!!
First, for a Jersey car that didn't have much rust. I'm guessing it belongs to an elderly retired person who doesn't go out when it's snowing or spends most of the winter in Florida. Second, it's really obvious that someone had that all apart recently.
Yes you were right in showing him. Remind them that a lot of us are watching you to also. So we learn how to do things. Thank you you've tough me a lot by watching you. 👍
Good thorough job fixing that up Ray. Well done.
Just did the front wheel bearing (and front brakes, engine oil, serpentine belt) on my salt belt 2010 Subaru Outback today. It did NOT want to come out of the steering knuckle. The cotter pins for the lower ball joint and tie rod end were completely rotted away and had to be drilled out to install new pins during re-assembly. The brake slider pins were all seized up also. Got to love the road salt.
Ray the point about Troy not learning if he doesn’t do something himself. He will learn by watching you also. Have a good day Ray
Did anyone else notice how much of the crud Troy got off that was a awesome job Troy keep up the great work ethic 👍 great job guys!
I'm pleased for you, Ray. Every time I saw that long air hose being dragged from the compressor, I wondered how long it would be before you got the air plumbing installed. Very convenient to simply pull a hose down from an overhead reel. Nice job.
Troy seems like a really nice chap. You're lucky to have him
young troy is a credit to your company ray keep up the great work troy
I’m from the north also, i see all the rust all the time . The whole time you were working on the vehicle I would bet any money that e brake cable (parking brake cable) would be frozen. I think that was amazing it wasn’t. Thank goodness for you, you deserve a break . Love it when the customer sees your videos 😊
The rust was holding the wheel, since the lugs were loose.
These types of videos always make me glad I live in the desert
Northern Mechanics are like "Ray you call that rust, that is like normal up here, we seen whole frames rotted away, hanging on by a thread".
If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video or visual activity is worth a million words we learn visually. keep up the good work and he will be a great mechanic in an era that has very few good mechanics. Any two year old with 20 years of experience can do it.
I look at it like this. Yes Troy should learn on his own BUT it's like the old adage Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day TEACH a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Troy now knows how to remove a broken stud the proper way. When I was learning how to lay brick we had jobs where you had to lay brick with a level (building a brick lead, very difficult for a beginner.) So I got some extra brick and some mortar from a job site we were working on, took them home and practiced laying with e level. To this day I can still lay a perfectly plumb and level lead. So work ethic plays a huge role in learning.
Hi Ray. I loved how you sounded so happy in this video. I also think that your business choice to hire Troy was a wise choice.
People should realize that from the day you are born, you learn by watching and you get better with repetition.
Also, I think the parking brake is often referred to as an emergency brake as it can still actuate in an emergency if the hydraulic brake system suffers a failure. I've had it happen to me and did use the "e-brake" to stop.
I always thought they were just for doing cool high speed U-turns and slides in the corners.
thank you showing troy the way he is good people so are you guys
In regards to setting the parking brake, I have had a few cars where you could adjust the brake by the access of a circle hole on the disk, this has been a great help in the adjustment of parking brake.
that adjustment is normally to adjust for all brake shoe wear, including parking brake
When we saw Troy's side I think we saw the adjustment hole on the conical part of the brake disk/drum. So adjustment of the brake shoes do look like it's possible without removing the brake calipers and pulling the disk/drum.
normally the holes are a slot with rounded ends. Quite often they have rubber plugs in them@@blahorgaslisk7763
++Time for some silly++
The timing on that first train horn was PERFECT.
Ray: parking brake engaged, it's in drive... foot off of the break...
Train: HONK !!
Ray: We're not going anywhere !! Nice...
Ray, another great video as usual!!! Keep up the great work!!! You have a great future as a guide and teacher, even beyond this life and this world.
I taught Air Force Service personel and you hit it right on the head. Most folks learn by observing what needs to be done. Much better way to teach as retention is good and technique can alway be improved.
Well Ray, it seems to be like your shop is AT LEAST doing okay. I hope that you’re doing well as far as your monetary concers go. It’s at the least that you’re doing good enough for your filming equipment and I’m ALWAYS glad to see ya. 😁😊🤣🥴😁BTW, I grew up with Dad jokes so they are ALWAYS welcome 😉
I had a 71 Furd Pinto that lost hydraulic brakes while driving in the rain in Philadelphia on the trolley tracks. Using the parking brake, I was able to bring the car to a stop to make a left hand turn at a stop light and get off the main line onto a side street. I was attending Philco-Ford Tech at the time and was able to replace the master cylinder during the day so that I could drive home from from Philly to Flemington, NJ. That was certainly an emergency brake at the time.
I had a 1972 Pinto Wagon. The master cylinder failed one day and I had to use the hand brake to get home from work. I really miss that car.
@@hdfxrs9121 I also had a Pinto wagon and tried to flat tow my wife's Gremlin back to her apartment with the wagon. At the first stop light, My wife panicked and slammed on the brakes ripping the rear bumper right off the wagon.
As someone who lost brakes @ 50mph due to busted brake line, Emergency brakes are great to have!
Agreed, whether electronically activated or an old fashioned hand brake, they will stop a car.
E brakes are also good to accentuate steering and to get the back of the car to slide in the snow. FWD has some problems with doing donuts in the winter!
The number of drill bits I've broken off and the extractors I've had to re-drill out has taught me to let people help me as often as possible. If hey know an easier way or just how to escalate the violence like AvE. it is always appreciated.
Those bearings are a whole lot easier than my 2010 Subaru. While they're not press-in, the rust had frozen the bearings in place to the point that I had to remove the entire control assembly and use a press to free it. I don't know (probably not) if anti-seize was used at the factory, but it definitely got a healthy dose during reassembly.
We both know they didn't use any.😂I did sway bar links on my RAV4 and definitely not. Involved removing the boot, penatrant,vice grips and a torch. The back of it was nearly impossible to get a bite with the vice grips yet the part you use a Allen wrench rounded off like butter.
Broke a vice getting one out, and then went and grabbed the arc welder to shrink the outer race, and the grinder to cut the inner race. MB B class. Was glad to see that one go to the sales floor, nice car, but expensive to keep in good order.
A whole lot of impact gun will get them out, but will take a while. There is also a special tool you can bolt to the bearing assembly that makes it easy to hammer the bearing off and out of the rest of the assembly. Works really well for salt belt cars.
Love the videos Ray can't wait to see the next one ❤❤
Troy is finding his mojo at his own pace. All good in the Rainman workshop.
Coming from a Northern state I'd like to know how this passed or was expected to pass annual state inspection with no parking brakes.
In the UK, that definitely wouldn't pass the compulsory annual inspection (MOT). If a traffic cop was to pull the driver over and found the brakes disabled (they do check for stuff like that here) they could have a prohibition order placed on the vehicle, meaning it couldn't be driven again until it was repaired and inspected at an MOT garage.
All vehicles across the EU including Britain must have 2 independent ways to slow the vehicle, which is why all cars have 2 different types of brake operating systems.
The Emergency Brake/E-Brake/Parking Brake can be used in a situation where the Brake Pedal goes all the way to the floor. The E-Brake can then be used in the event of an “Emergency”. I’ve experienced this before, years ago. It’s a one time thing, but very handy.
Another reason to do it for Troy is that time is money. You could let him spend an hour of shop time doing it himself or take 10 min of your time, do it and you can both get back to work.
I fully agree with your method of teaching Troy I always learn a lot more by watching someone do it first
i live on the southern edge of the rust belt, and seeing the bearings slide right out without any force actually made me kinda mad
Right? I had to take a BFH and a chisel to the hub bearing on my truck to get it out. Took over an hour, and I mangled the brake dust shield.
im up in saskatchewan canada .......an own an old 97 lexus .......its more rust that metal holding this car togeather
37:52 lucky S.O.B. if that was a New England car, you would be under there with a hammer getting that brake free.
Got to love the rust belt cars and trucks. So I say Hey, Whats Going On? Thanks for the video Ray
Glad they decided to repair everything
If they didn't want to
Would you have denied doing just the bearings
Because that would seem like a liability not doing everything
The "showing" teaching technique is far more efficient for the initial learning experience than telling someone how to do something and letting them stumble through themselves. Often, there are multiple paths to the same outcome, the choice of which to use being dependent upon a multitude of variables. I the case of the bolt, the first-choice options didn't work, necessitating further evaluation. Learning to navigate those choices are also part of the learning process, so him observing you going through them served him much better than the trial and error process he'd have had to go through without your help. That's why we have apprentices in the first place. Otherwise, they'd be just grunt helpers.
This repair went too smoothly. The repair gremlins are angry and will make up for this in a future repair.
Well, the Rubasu is still at the shop, so there is time for more stripped out boltholes.
Besides Ray teaching Troy, Ray also taught his UA-cam viewers how to do it.
Ray, no need to go any farther. This is your shop and it was a teaching as well as a learning moment. Troy will come into his own as time goes by and the way you teach him he will ask for help if the situation should present itself.
You doing " show and tell " with Troy is I think the fastest way up the learning curve . When I started apprenticing back in 1980 I learned the tricks from the senior mechanics showing me how it was done . Decades later I had a good idea how to properly coach the younger guys .
The Sorentos are notorious for caliper failures, specifically seizing.
Heck my son's 05 volvo has working parking brakes and this has been a ny car for all of its life.
Nice job on making sure the customer is safe.
Be safe team.
I think it's a shame that the person that deleted the parking break allowed them to drive on the bearings like that. They should've noticed. You did a wonderful job.
I agree with your showing Troy to do remove that stuck bolt. Hey that's kinda exactly why we watch your videos! We watch see you work out problems even if you do it over and over again, so we learn how not to! Great mentoring. You are creating another master mechanic in Troy!
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What a pile of rust! Great job 👍
Now go get a tetanus shot.
Good luck with that! "Good Stuff Cheap" replaced "United We Stand" a long time ago.
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#1 car made in America is a Honda! Nothing is made in America anymore.
Rainman Ray first!
Maan those clouds are mesmerizing at the end of the video!
I'm just at 17 minutes in. Let me tell you: you are the most eloquent teacher I've ever met. Thank you for this...
Funny thing happened as you were commenting about C130 flying over your shop... I heard it .... then a commercial came on and the sound continued! looked outside my house as TWO AC130's flew over... I'm in California!
Once again I love the singing and tomfoolery ! It pleases my wife unit( yes I plagiarize from you)to hear me singing and dancing while I'm working in the garage. My daughter and I used to crawl under a car and sing out loud ! Oh my good times ! Maybe when we move to Florida next February I convince you to hire me and we can sign duets ! My deep voice would harmonize perfectly with yours ! Haha !
You doing right to show him. Cheers guys 👍 💯
I totally agree with the "show them once" method for making Troy an awesome mechanic like you. However, I was unsure about the refitting of the drum/disc in that you didn't show us the rust removal from the drum face for parking brake (i agree - is not an emergency brake). That rust would be terribly noisy on the shoes. I stopped the video at that point to comment - apologies if you correct the situation before the end.
If every young mechanic had good and honest mentor we could have trust having things worked on
If books were a fool proof way of learning I should be a professional golfer by now. Demonstrative instruction has value.
Good job teaching Troy. See one…do one…teach one.
Jedi master and student....
Your teaching techniques are top notch sir, keep up the good work!
I liked this video where you and Troy worked together on the same car . It was nice seeing your interaction . Troy seems to be more confident than when he first came , a complement to your teaching . Oh by the way good job on the bearings .
Thank You for being such a great teacher.... Your very kind and understanding of your new mechanic....
I like it when engineers design so cars are easy to work on like the one.
Wow, I've seen loads of e-brake cables cut as a "brake delete" but to remove all the brake hardware? That's a new one for me.
Hi Ray, nice to see that for once the job went swimmingly, no problems. Alan, card received today thanks.
Given that I've learned the wiggle method of extracting reluctant parts and other things mainly from watching Ray work with crusty cars, I would say education by demonstration is a valid method.
I trained trades men for 28 years. Some just a few only needed verbal instruction but most needed to be shown 1 time and then they were solid.
When i first started in engineering, the only way i found to learn is by watching someone and constantly asking questions.
And if it's your shop and your teaching someone, you'll expect them to be as professional about their approach as you are.
Troy is going to be a great mechanic,he listens
No worries Ray you’re a good mechanic and you’re showing him the right way. Ignore all the others.😊